Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

[James Howard]

Sounds like roughly $12k total.  Thanks much!  That helps a lot.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Not really sure as we did most of it ourself.  Probably $2000 for the 
foundation and another $1500 for erection.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 12:44 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

What did you end up spending to install it?

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$5,721.00 + Tax and shipping


$7,889.00

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:40 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

What did it end up costing?

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Rohn SSV.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Dredging up an old thread here.  What did you end up going with Chuck?

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Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Needs to be self supporting.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:31 PM
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Subject: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

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Any better deals or stronger towers for a similar price?

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Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

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What did you end up spending to install it?

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$5,721.00 + Tax and shipping


$7,889.00

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

What did it end up costing?

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Rohn SSV.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Dredging up an old thread here.  What did you end up going with Chuck?

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Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Needs to be self supporting.

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Subject: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

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Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

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What did it end up costing?

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Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Rohn SSV.

From: James Howard
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Dredging up an old thread here.  What did you end up going with Chuck?

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Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Needs to be self supporting.

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Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

[James Howard]

Dredging up an old thread here.  What did you end up going with Chuck?

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Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Needs to be self supporting.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:31 PM
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Subject: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

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Re: [AFMUG] IM Services

[James Howard]

Viber is another option.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

Slack
Google Hangouts
Whatsapp

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:26:26 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: IM Services

> With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's
> available for Instant messaging apps these days? Basically so I can
> send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email
> while we're on an intercom call. It looks like Trillian.im offers a
> service that is ad free for $2/user/mo But I thought I saw that there
> was a $10 minimum somewhere.
>
> Nate


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Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[James Howard]

Are you implying that Steve spends most of his time in an abandoned looney bin?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

I have images of the party scene in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

Did you get ballistic housings?

P.S.: I'm really amused that your office is an abandoned hospital.  No ordinary 
office would do for a person of your caliber.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 3:42:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

best thing we did here (we operate out of an abandoned hospital) was put up as 
big of housings for our security cameras as we could find and put them in very 
prominent locations. We went from a broken window or tresspass almost every 
other week to it being a very rare occurrence.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut as 
chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get through, 
but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an accordion.
I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too. Might 
be easier to work with.
Motion activated alarms can be effective.

-bp

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On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a few 
things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with hog/goat 
welded wire.

Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with three 
strands of barbed wire angling outward.

Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except for 
the corners.

If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by working 
or not cameras.
And I am doing/will do both of these.

Opinions please.




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Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[James Howard]

But were you mostly dead all day?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

But Inigo Montoya was not the six fingered man, the six fingered man was Count 
Rugen.


-- Original Message --
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/15/2018 8:45:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like a butchered version of the 
six fingered man.

On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
That's how it's pronounced...

Maybe a regional thing?

On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote:
GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so hard.

The company I used to work for was “Indigo Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.

On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
They are working well for us, and I have a horrible generic support DT, lol!

I have had zero complaints from my customers so far this year, so I think they 
are doing well.

The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear our company name pronounced five 
different ways, even though the DT instructs the proper pronunciation.

But it’s a made-up name so my customer are always confused on pronunciation 
themselves.


From: Af > On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I would add that Layne’s service is only as good as the decision tree that you 
provide to him.  The more detailed DT, the better the service will be.

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I would like to share some solid stats with the group.  Please see those below. 
 The comment about a decline is hard to address without looking at stats.  Kind 
of like the user that calls you and vaguely  says “My internet seems slow” when 
you have stats that show they are getting more than they are paying for.  We 
have hired a number of new people recently because we have grown and have added 
a new office but as Justin said this is a slow time of the year so we also took 
advantage of this time to get rid of some of our weaker performers.  Here are 
the company wide stats for the past week with some comments about them, I would 
stack these up against any call center in the world.  Sorry if I come on 
strong, but as you all know this is my baby and I care a lot about it just like 
you do about your networks.  I know we are not perfect, out of 6000 calls I am 
sure we made a mistake or two and I am happy to address any individual issue 
directly, but I am pretty proud of what we do.


OFFICE STATS









SP

GOAL

Comment

AVERAGE TALK TIME









0:11:05

0:10:00

Down from over 13 min 2 months ago

  TOTAL TALK TIME VS SCHEDULED









69.94%

80%

This is agent utilization

SURVEY SCORE









91.66%

95%

91.66% of callers would recommend the service That  is a number any company 
would kill for

SURVEY TAKEN









20.57%

20%

A full 20% of callers responded to our survey, that number is unheard of

TECH ESCALATION









39.31%

20%

Higher escalation percentage this week because of the storms and significant 
network outages

ESCALATION APPROVAL TIME









0:11:47

0:10:00

Down from over 30 min 4 months ago

QA SCORE









92.05%

95%

Happy to share our QA form with anyone who would like to see it












































COMPANY STATS









SP

GOAL



















CALL WAIT TIME









0:01:52

2:00

Less than 2 min wait time even though our SLA is less than 3

BILLABLE CALLS









6112

10,000

Reflection of the slow season

















ABANDONED TIME









0.37

2:00

Outage recordings cause people to hang up once they hear the recording

































CALLS TAKEN PER HOUR









4.10

5.45

This is calls answered per worked hour



















Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Serverplus

Has anyone noted a consistent decline in quality with these guys, and a large 
number of different tech names in their tickets?
Its almost looking like they outsourced their outsourcing.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[James Howard]

Am I off-base in thinking that this would be a valid comparison?  (made up of 
course)

A company sets up a contract to deliver beer to a bar down the street that 
requires exclusive use of the street they are both on to be able to deliver the 
quantity of beer that’s promised.  They then send out a letter to everyone else 
on that street telling them that they are being warned that if they use the 
street it will interfere with that contract and their ability to fulfill it and 
will face legal action.


Seems to me that if someone wants to claim exclusive use of something they need 
to actually own it.  In the example I gave, the company could buy all the 
property between themselves and their client and build their own road but they 
can’t claim exclusive rights to the public road.  If they want exclusive rights 
to RF they need to get licensed frequencies.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I'm not sure part-15 has anything to do with their claim.


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From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 2:03:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
This has been tried many times and has always failed.
The law of the commons.

http://wealthofthecommons.org/essay/commons-%E2%80%93-historical-concept-property-rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons

They have no rights to exclusive use.
You can protect yourself pro se against a ridiculous complaint if one ever gets 
filed.
Just cite part 15 chapter and verse and make reference to the law of the 
commons.


From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case.

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.


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From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

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Were you offended on behalf of the hippopotamus or the squaw?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun - probably non PC - possibly racist

i dont understand it
but im offended
not that its racist or anything, just that ken wont come back even though its 
lent
tell him if he will bring his ball back i will be good

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Cameron Crum 
> wrote:
I teach my kids with this method and use it quite frequently in designing odd 
shaped speaker volumes. Was just doing that last night in fact! I love the play 
on words.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, > 
wrote:
Below is a part of a thread between me and Ken Hohhof.  I found it fun last 
night.
Can you figure out the riddle?

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Ken Hohhof
Subject: Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

I called 4 of my kids and asked them if they could understand the squaw on the 
hippo.

First kid, my youngest son, 23 years old, really good machinist, acted like I 
was speaking a foreign language.  Even with hints and prompting he never got 
there.

Second kid, actually works for a company building parts for Space X.  CS 
degree.  He took lots of hints and prompting.

Third kid, EE, works for DOD at Hill Airforce Base got it instantly.  I was 
surprised as his EE coursework seemed about 1/3rd as rigorous as the stuff I 
had to do.

Fourth kid, science teacher in Jr High, got it with a minor hint.

Her husband, ME student at the Uof U didn’t have a clue.

3 more kids to ask.  That was fun!

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:07 PM
To: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: RE: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

Well, that’s discouraging.  The books might be digital now, but nothing else 
has changed in almost 50 years.

BTW, the “new math” happened while I was in approximately grades 8-10.  We had 
paperback textbooks from SMSG (School Mathematics Study Group).  I don’t 
remember them as being bad.  I think a lot depended on the teachers, whether 
they knew the material and taught it well in the classroom including the 
practical applications that Feynman wrote about.  Teachers were more highly 
valued in that period than now, and I think I had some really good science and 
math teachers especially in high school.  The “new math” approach I think was 
the first attempt at teaching college type math to all high school students 
rather than assuming most students would never need algebra, trig, or Venn 
diagrams.

When my kids went to high school, everything in math class seemed to center 
around graphing calculators.  I’m not sure why.  It doesn’t teach fundamentals, 
and hardly anyone solves daily math problems with a graphing calculator.  I 
think it’s the same approach as teaching the way to find the diagonal of a 
right triangle is to cut one out of paper and measure it.  I remember a bad 
joke in high school that ended with “the squaw on the hippopotamus is equal to 
the sons of the squaws on the other two hides”.  Who today would even know what 
that refers to?


From: Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:16 PM
To: Ken Hohhof >
Subject: Re: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

Richard Feynman had an interesting experience with the textbook selection 
process:

http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm


From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:01 PM
To: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: OFFLIST: government is not the only place where money talks

Pharmaceutical companies of course spend a lot of time and money recruiting 
doctors to prescribe their drugs and recommend them at medical conferences.

Same thing is happening with classroom technology like laptops and software, 
raising ethical concerns.  Lots of articles like this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/technology/silicon-valley-teachers-tech.html

And apparently there was a scandal at Baltimore County Schools concerning a big 
contract for HP laptops:
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/DigitalEducation/2017/11/baltimore_county_tech_conflicts.html

My guess is shenanigans like this go on to a greater or lesser extent in almost 
any school district and influences the contracts for “Ed Tech”.  So we end up 
with kindergartners having iPads and Chromebooks, all the textbooks being 
online, and teachers using classroom management software, and wondering how 
much this really improves education.  Maybe it’s all great stuff, but it seems 
to show that lobbying and buying influence are not restricted to Washington.  
Silicon Valley goes after the educators the same way Big Pharma goes after the 
doctors.



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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[James Howard]

We have them out in our back field often.  They apparently took down a full 
grown white-tail deer this summer just across my property line.  My neighbor 
said that there were at least 10 of them out there making racket around his 
house a few nights in a row.  The deer was laying near his driveway and they 
had nothing left but a ribcage after 3 days.

We haven't ever actually seen them from our house though.  They seem to eat all 
the kittens that the neighbor's mostly wild cats produce though.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

I have never successfully hit a coyote. Shot at a few but they always see
me long before I see them it seems.
Used to be a $50 bounty on them in Oregon when I was a kid, so I had an
incentive.

Growing up in a very rural area that was serenated by what sounded like
dozens of coyotes many nights (they say a few can sound like a whole bunch)
I never heard of a single incident of a coyote harming a human. I am sure
they would snack on a kid that out alone but I never heard of it happening.

So I smile when I hear people being afraid of coyotes.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

Coyotes will also lay an ambush where a group runs prey into waiting
pack.. That happened to a customer's pit bull...

On 10/25/2017 01:18 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> Most likely take more than 3, but what coyotes do is
> work as a group. Several will chase the deer for a while,
> then the other group catches up and the first group rests.
> The deer gets no rest though and eventually they just wear
> it down. Once they can break a leg or get a good neck
> cut they just wait it out.
>
> About the only thing I will waste a good deer hunt on
> is a coyote, shoot them every chance I get...
>


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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[James Howard]

If Wile E had just had a team he might have actually caught the Roadrunner.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Larry Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

Most likely take more than 3, but what coyotes do is
work as a group. Several will chase the deer for a while,
then the other group catches up and the first group rests.
The deer gets no rest though and eventually they just wear
it down. Once they can break a leg or get a good neck
cut they just wait it out.

About the only thing I will waste a good deer hunt on
is a coyote, shoot them every chance I get...

--
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Wed October 25 2017 15:08, Bill Prince wrote:
> I would think it would take more than 3 coyotes to nail a mule deer.
> Although mule deer aren't particularly bright; they often run "just over
> the next rise", then stop because they can't see the danger anymore.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/25/2017 12:51 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Speaking of hunting, I saw three coyotes chasing a good size mule deer
> > as I approached McKrittick canyon cutoff Monday about 7 am on my way
> > to Orla,Texas.  Deer was way ahead of them.   wonder if they caught it..


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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[James Howard]

Getting close to hunting season here.  Are we talking “sign” such as animal 
excrement that a hunter would look for?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

Actually, yesterday was full of good signs.  Still very early though.  I 
wouldn’t get too high or too low right now.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Doesn’t look good

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future


Seems we will be left in the cold!

https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777



Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?

theres nothing to see under the hood LOL


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Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

[James Howard]

Am I missing something here?  What difference does it make if the software is 
cloud hosted or locally hosted if the license model is subscription either way? 
 Mike might have been able to keep running it if he had a local copy but he 
wouldn't have owned the license to do it legally.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

That's my point Josh. Wisp mon was cloudy only, so when the acquisition 
occurred Mike has no choice but to go to sonar. With a local he hosted 
application he could choose to run the old Wispmon software until he decides he 
wants to upgrade to something.

On Oct 18, 2017, at 09:22, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
IIRC, version 3 you could have some of their services (not billing) on-prem. 
Version 4 had an on-prem ability, due to the very reasons I stated...  a VM on 
your host is no different than a VM on my host from an OS\application 
perspective.


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From: "Josh Luthman" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:20:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar
Wispmon was cloud only wasn't it?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 18, 2017 9:16 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
He always has a choice.

On Oct 18, 2017 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote:
He didn't have a choice. His cloud-based billing provider went out of business 
and sold to sonar. So he doesn't even really have the option of running old 
software, he's being forced to upgrade.

On Oct 18, 2017, at 07:55, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
Please don't become a Sonar customer just to demonize them because you don't 
like their service model.

Seriously. That'd be a super shitty thing to do.

On Oct 18, 2017 6:52 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
I will be using it shortly as Sonar bought WISPMon.

All of the major billing\OSS platforms with modern features are also 
cloud-based, so there's not really anywhere else to go.

That's fine for you that it works that way, but many WISPs are increasing their 
use of on-premises virtualization. What about your monitoring, DNS, RADIUS, 
syslog, Unimus, mail, etc., etc. servers?

Yes, my reasons do outweigh arbitrary reasons to keep it in a cloud environment.

Actually, I've been fairly quiet on this particular issue and will be 
increasing my advocacy efforts in this regard to all billing\OSS platforms. As 
I said, it's the SFP port of the billing\OSS world.


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Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

[James Howard]

So you’re saying that some people will take their time and choose one and stick 
with it for life while others will play the field, pick the hottest youngest 
available model and then get tired of it and move to something newer and 
flashier every few years?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Same goes for picking a wife.

From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

A great reason to make sure you pick the right billing platform the first time.

On Oct 17, 2017, at 17:28, > 
> wrote:
It never goes smoothly.

I used to work for banks, talk about a headache when you change out their 
software that manages all the customer accounts etc.  They migrated off an old 
dinosaur main frame to an AS-400 with all the latest software.  I think it took 
more than 6 months to actually get it up and going.

I have worked for several telephone companies and all of them have migrated 
software, most of them multiple times.  Again, never smooth, always pain.

Ditto for WISPS,  been there, done that too.  Platypus was probably the easiest 
due to the IT department being very hands on through the process.

It never goes smoothly and they can guarantee everything to work all they want, 
but it will not work perfectly without elbow grease.

From: Nathan Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Didn't this thread start out with somebody complaining that their new vendor 
either wasn't willing to do this or weren't doing an effective or good job of 
it?  Vendor on-boarding is not always an option, or at least is not something 
that is guaranteed to work or go smoothly.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 2:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Been through this many times in my life.  Done it both ways.  Several times.
Prefer the new vendor to do onboarding for me.
You get what you pay for.

From: Nathan Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Not true.  It doesn't matter what the file format of the export is: you still 
have to take the time to figure out how to shoehorn data from one schema into 
another.  As talked about earlier, maybe you'll get support from your new 
vendor with that, maybe not.  There will be mistakes made during that process, 
and some of it will have to be re-done.  You also have to hook the new product 
into all of your authentication systems and then test that to make sure it 
works and doesn't suddenly break people's connections.

Then there will be the mistakes that come from actually using the new software 
that you are unfamiliar with, and/or cajoling it to do what you need it to do 
and which you already knew how to do with the old software.  People will get 
billed wrong for a while and then you'll have to sort out that mess as your 
customers bring the billing mistakes to your attention.  Some people that need 
to get billed won't be...others will get double-billed.  Pro-rates will get 
miscalculated.  The system will on-hold somebody by mistake that shouldn't have 
been.  And on and on.

If the software is locally hosted, you can learn a new system and transition 
over to it on your own schedule, instead of being pushed into the deep end of 
the pool on day 1.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 2:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Export backups as CSV and you can re-import it into any database.  You will 
only be screwed for a very short time.

From: Nathan Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I have to say that I'm partially with Matt on this one.

It's really not about access to your own data, although that can certainly be a 
component depending on how things are designed.  It sounds like perhaps Sonar 
has no problem giving you reasonable access to exports of your data for you to 
backup yourself, and for the moment, I'm going to give them the benefit of the 
doubt on this.

I don't think I have to convince anyone how critical billing software is to an 
organization.  If it screws up or stops working, you are losing money, and fast.

The SaaS model has some clear benefits to both parties (developer and user), 
but it has an equal number of new downsides as well.  One big-E-on-the-eyechart 
one is what happens if the product is discontinued, either because the parent 
company/developers go out of business or for some other 

Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

[James Howard]

https://www.3starinc.com/images/super/RSL-A_800x800t.jpg

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 3:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com; Jeff Evans 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

What kind of wind survivability does that have?

From: Jeff Evans
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'


Recently purchased a Rohn RSL from Texas Towers ~ $6300.00 shipped.

On 10/9/2017 3:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Needs to be self supporting.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Found a 96 footer Titan from Tessco for about $4600.
Any better deals or stronger towers for a similar price?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT 420 (was las vegas)

[James Howard]

Actually you’re supposed to wear some of it and sit in the other stuff…… and 
pour it over your head too.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 10:24 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 420 (was las vegas)

I think you're supposed to wear it, not smoke it...

On Oct 3, 2017 9:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Sackcloth is made out of hemp.  Ashes

Burn me on young man.

From: James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 8:19 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Sackcloth and ashes for everyone!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall.  I think it is 
time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at AnimalFarm.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed.  It is an email 
list, and people can say whatever the hell they want.  Why is everyone so 
sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate?  Bunch of pussies

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson 
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion?

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically neuter 
the population.

We can start with Steve.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day criminals 
than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the streets next to 
you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the history of the 
country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill count this year than 
this guy.

Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not seeing 
the forrest through the trees.

Really should have killed this thread.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as "conversions" in 
the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:
I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto narrative that 
the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot from near the base 
of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a friend sent me. I'll post 
the link if you guys want. It sounds like this fuckwit is using an external 
rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You can hear the cyclic rate change. 
That's not something a full auto does. Probably his trigger masturbation hand 
getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for that. I'm going back to bed.
On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented this 
tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one possible 
exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much of a 
difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have to 
look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun owners.  In 
every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, restricting ammo 
purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we have that this attack 
could have been carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a 
recreational gun user should have access to.   (Assuming one buys into the 
belief that there should be recreational gun users - let's NOT go down that 
path, since that would definitely end up leading to somewhere we don't want to 
go on this list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped is 
further restricting devices designed to effectively convert non-automatic 
weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that one would restrict 
automatic weapons, but would not apply similar restrictions to "conversion" 
products. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to modify a 
semi-automatic to automatic functions, many of which made easier to accomplish 
with the prevalence of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause here.   
Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to use guns (or 
other weapons) in this way is the problem - the questi

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[James Howard]

Sackcloth and ashes for everyone!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall.  I think it is 
time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at AnimalFarm.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed.  It is an email 
list, and people can say whatever the hell they want.  Why is everyone so 
sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate?  Bunch of pussies

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion?

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically neuter 
the population.

We can start with Steve.



bp




On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day criminals 
than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the streets next to 
you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the history of the 
country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill count this year than 
this guy.

Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not seeing 
the forrest through the trees.

Really should have killed this thread.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:

Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as "conversions" in 
the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.



bp




On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:
I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto narrative that 
the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot from near the base 
of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a friend sent me. I'll post 
the link if you guys want. It sounds like this fuckwit is using an external 
rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You can hear the cyclic rate change. 
That's not something a full auto does. Probably his trigger masturbation hand 
getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for that. I'm going back to bed.
On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented this 
tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one possible 
exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much of a 
difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have to 
look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun owners.  In 
every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, restricting ammo 
purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we have that this attack 
could have been carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a 
recreational gun user should have access to.   (Assuming one buys into the 
belief that there should be recreational gun users - let's NOT go down that 
path, since that would definitely end up leading to somewhere we don't want to 
go on this list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped is 
further restricting devices designed to effectively convert non-automatic 
weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that one would restrict 
automatic weapons, but would not apply similar restrictions to "conversion" 
products. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to modify a 
semi-automatic to automatic functions, many of which made easier to accomplish 
with the prevalence of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause here.   
Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to use guns (or 
other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do we solve 
that one?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo without 
your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep, you gotta 
have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our 
4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS.

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut jobs.
On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure of 
waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms 

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

[James Howard]

It was written on the internet so there's no question that everything they say 
is true!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

Oh damn...

http://fortune.com/2015/08/18/att-nsa/

On Sep 28, 2017 11:13 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
I can't find anything saying that directly, but it does talk about how critical 
it was to national defense... Big bunkers with huge generators and a federal 
backed monopoly.

On Sep 28, 2017 11:01 AM, "Adam Moffett" 
> wrote:
I guess I thought Long Lines was a DOD project.but I might have invented 
that idea.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 9/28/2017 11:59:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

out of curiousity, did AT build out long lines on their own dime, or what 
that government subsidized?

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
AT Funding Model:
<1> Lobby
<2> "muh copper"
<3> get funds to maintain copper from taxpayers and your competition
<4> deploy fiber and more cell sites instead
<5> find ways to overlay on existing provider
<6> see step 1

On Sep 28, 2017 10:45 AM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
you should protest this. we can get the whole afmug group together and go shut 
shit down. I want a sign that says "this is my sign, there are many like her, 
but this one is mine"

cool chants like "what the heck, get rid of ilec" our slogan can be make ROW 
great again, we can have hats

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
It's not a tool, it's a barrier. You're still considered as less than and 
ignored compared to the ILEC who will continue to get those federal tax dollars 
while providing only what they legally have to.

There is no good reason to support that business model.

On Sep 28, 2017 9:17 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
It's a tool that gets you what you need. It's a fairly inexpensive tool. Use 
the tool that has been placed at your doorstep until regulatory certainty comes.


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From: "Josh Reynolds" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:14:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?
The whole idea of a CLEC needs to die, and only serves to continue to divide 
the providers into classes.

On Sep 28, 2017 9:04 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a CLEC I *MAY* 
place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property allows me to.


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Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

[James Howard]

Only the high class ones actually marry their sister.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

You meant sister and not wife, right?

On Sep 21, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
When I moved to Illinois in 1990, I heard someone being called a cracker for 
the first time.  Had no clue as to what it meant.  I still think it is a funny 
supposedly disparaging term.  White Trailer Trash is much more demeaning to me.

Which would you rather be, a saltine
or

have an unmowed front yard, wheel-less cars up on chunks of firewood, bare 
footed- pregnant- crack toothed wife smoking a cigarette- with a baby on her 
hip and a beer bottle in the non smoking hand.  Of course you are wearing the 
AC/DC wife beater, with your mullet.  Someone is exclaiming “birds is magic”



From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera


you white cracker...i mean white collar criminal. :)
- Original Message -
From: Steve Jones
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

I thought they were like pharmabros or something

but ill get in on this with Jay if they need guys, I wont do anything but drink 
and take the rap for any questionable dealings, I mean lets be real here, I'm 
going to prison eventually anyway, why not make some phat cash along the way 
and maybe end up in a cushy fed joint

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
I thought it was only about a year.


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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:43:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: ben moore ; robert pera

Hasn't been for about two years.

On Sep 21, 2017, at 15:39, George Skorup 
> wrote:
So is Matt Hardy not at UBNT anymore?
On 9/21/2017 1:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
�
"�Ubiquiti has a bare-bones organizational structure, that�s key, so a lot 
of the red flags are coming from that point,� Kundozerov said. �They 
don�t have enough people, but that doesn�t make them a fraud.�"
�
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquiti-shares-hammered-by-citron-fraud-claim-that-contains-little-new-evidence-2017-09-18
�
HEY GUYS!
�
The talking heads are saying you need more staff
�
We know everyone in the industry loves me and knows me.� Make you a deal 
right now.� double my salary and buy me a condo on the gulf coast in Gulf 
Shores Al, and I'll come work for you :)
�
Let me know. :)
�
�




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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly

[James Howard]

My wife got tired of problems peeling eggs and looked for different ways to do 
it.  The method she ended up with is to put the eggs in the pot with cold water 
and bring to a boil.  As soon as the water starts a rolling boil she turns the 
burner off, covers the pot and sets a timer for 15minutes.  When the timer goes 
off she takes the eggs out and puts them in a bowl of cold water (preferably 
ice water) to chill.  This method has worked great for us until we got our own 
chickens this Summer.  We’re testing now how old the eggs have to be but fresh 
eggs definitely don’t peel well.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly

I usually start with the eggs in the water and bring it to a boil and 
experienced the same problems mentioned. Tried the putting them directly in to 
boiling water for 12 minutes the other night, then poured off the boiling water 
and ran cold water over them and let them sit. They peel nicely using that 
method.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly

It also depends whether you start with eggs in the water while it's heating up 
vs adding the eggs to already boiling water.
10 minutes might be just enough if you start with the eggs already in the water 
and start the timer after you have a rolling boil.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 10:46:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly

To me, hard boiled means the yolks have a slight green tint.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly

17 min? I do 7min for soft boiled, 10 for hard boiled … and these are the 
organic large eggs costco sells

From: Af > on behalf of Steve 
Jones >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 7:42 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly

I start the water heating up, once itbubbles up i drop the eggs in for 17 
minutes. Pull them out and run them under cold tap water. Perfect yellow yolk, 
easy peel. We also have really hard city water, maybe that mineralizes the 
shells so they break into bigger better peelable. If you stop them about 12 
minutes, its a good softboiled egg... yum


Our chickens are making eggs now, theyre pretty small, so im not sure how thise 
will fair




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President

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On Aug 17, 2017 8:39 AM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
It also helps (a lot) if they aren't the "freshest" eggs. Our neighbors have a 
couple dozen chickens that produce way more eggs than they can use, so we get 
to share the bounty. The really fresh eggs that are only a few days old or less 
will not peel worth a hoot if you boil them. They will peel much easier if they 
are a couple weeks old. It has to do with the membrane between the shell and 
the egg. white.

bp


On 8/17/2017 6:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Made some more eggs last night.  Very hard to peel.
Had to go back to find this bit of research to see what I did wrong.

So, drop them in boiling water with vinegar and salt helps them to be easy to 
peel.

Last night I put them in cold water and brought it to a boil.
So I did the worst method.

Maybe I need to make myself a note about this and paste it in the fridge.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Eggxactly

5 saucepans and 1 pot.
6 burner Comstock Castle restaurant stove.
24,000 BTU per burner.

1 quart of water in each.
A bit of variability in pan sizes.
All eggs from same carton.  Cold refrigerator temp.

4 Variables
C/HCold Start/Hot Start
WPlain Water
VVinegar only added
VSVinegar & Salt added

V = 1/2 cup distilled
S = 1.5 TB

Count starting with top left burner CCW around cook top.

1 CW
2 CV
3 CVS
4 HW
5 HV
6 HVS

In the photo of the cut eggs the order from left to right is 123654

Salt and Vinegar boiled first which seems backwards to me. Freezing point
depression, boiling point elevation of solutions.
I suspect it had to do with nucleation sites.

Water boils at 204 at this altitude.
HVS boiled at 206
W boiled at 202
HV boiled at 208

Took a 

Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

[James Howard]

Seems to me that the wording of the contract is the key to this.  What does it 
define as the "site" that you have exclusive rights to.  I believe our contract 
indicates either an address or a specific structure on an address if we include 
exclusive rights (which we typically do).  IANAL but I would guess that if your 
contract doesn't include specifics to the amount of area that you have 
exclusive rights to that you would not win.  The other WISP does not have any 
contract with you that they are violating.  The landlord is the only violator.  
The obvious problem with that if it escalates you end up with a bad 
relationship with the landlord and end up pretty much losing either way.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 2:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

that's what I'm wondering, I guess if we got a cease and desist it would be 
against the landlord, who would have to stop the tenant?

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
Your recourse would be with the landlord. Unfortunately this puts them in a bad 
situation since they violated the terms of your lease with them. I don't think 
you have any way to make a claim agianst the other ISP unless you had some 
non-compete agreement with them or something.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
is there realistically any recourse?

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Mitch Koep 
> wrote:
And your question is?



On 6/27/2017 11:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I am not asking about any FCC Part X rules, I know this isn't an FCC issue 
under any circumstances.

We have leases with all our POP landlords, in the lease we own the site 
spectrum, with the exception of very few locations we don't collocate, just not 
worth the hassle.

I come rolling up on a site today, 100 feet from our POP is a new POP, not us, 
cause though I used to enjoy spooning some powder with baking soda, I don't 
smoke crack, POP#2 isn't ours, even though its on the same property, Id recall 
a full EPMP and backhaul deployment.

I'm an honest operator, very honest, like the first time UBT sent us new 
stickers for spectrum I made sure we actually put them out (be honest, pretty 
much NOBODY did that) I turn down power where we don't need it. I do my best to 
make sure we are compliant. I fought bosses to remove non compliant stuff I put 
up before I knew better. For the most part, I'm a good fucking neighbor, ask 
anybody abutting me. (with the exception of one location I collocate where I'm 
a dick, but a legal dick)

So you can understand my dismay, being the pillar of the spectrum community Ive 
tried to be (also found out today I inadvertently fucked a fellow wisp on a bad 
choice I made with no follow up, I owned it with him and will be working on 
fixing that as of tomorrow)

I approach everything with combat boots, assuming a battle. I'm guessing when 
it gets in the database this backhaul is going to be UBNT 11ghz, or some other 
nonsense (probably affiliated with the over wind loaded tower 3/4 miles away 
with 3, yes 3, UBNT 5ghz peanut shaped airfibers within 8 feet of one another 
(one link, one side points to the sky the other side points to the dirt)

The question I have is about lease rules, and contract law, which the bulk of 
you old timers has dealt with. If the other operator (if its who I suspect it 
is, they use fuckery, like the UBNT demo mode, or whatever its called and other 
such garbage to even operate overpowered in DFS channels) doesn't want to play 
ball, as in "shut that shit off" will we be able to fight it?

I know what went down, and how it went down, and I suspect I know who it is. 
The usual, guy approaches a site owner, offers unrealistic unicorn farts, 
unicorn farts always win, spectrum gets fucked.

We do 5 year auto renewing leases, with 2 year breakouts. (you guys would 
likely cream your jeans seeing our lease, and though Ive asked, no I cant share 
it publicly, and yes, it was drawn up by an attorney) we get full control of 
the 5, 6, 11, 3, 2, 900mhz, etc spectrum (I don't have a lease handy to see the 
specific wording) per the site.

I know we wouldn't have a horse in the race with the FCC, but with this boiling 
down to contract law, whats to stop us from A. willful interference (assuming 
out power doesn't get cut) and B. a cease and desist from a court for the other 
ISP, pending the 2 year termination?

I'm handing this to the boss to handle, because my communication will start 
with "listen here motherfucker" and I don't see that as conducive to a positive 
outcome. I had my boy with me when I came to the site today because I was just 
getting accurate AGLs for bringing in a licensed backhaul. If he hadn't been 
with me, I probably would have yanked their 

Re: [AFMUG] AT expands rural fixed wireless web service to 70K locations | FierceWireless

[James Howard]

The service includes 160 GB of data per month, with additional data available 
at $10 per GB up to a maximum of $200 a month. Customers must have an 
AT outdoor antenna and the carrier's indoor residential gateway, and 
additional buckets of 50 GB of data are available for $10 each up to a maximum 
of $200 a month.


So can it be a total of $200 per month or do you get 160GB plus $10 per GB up 
to $200 at which point you can buy each additional 50GB for $10 each up to 20 
more of those?  Or do you pay up to $200 for the outdoor antenna and up to $200 
for the indoor residential gateway?

Not very clear in the article.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:16 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] AT expands rural fixed wireless web service to 70K locations 
| FierceWireless

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: my emails to afmug dont show up in gmail til someone responds

[James Howard]

That's good! I think it would be hard to choose which parts of him to pray for 
otherwise.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 7:27 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: my emails to afmug dont show up in gmail til someone 
responds

No need to apologize...I still pray for all of you

On Jun 12, 2017 6:20 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
Some may remember a short time back when I hijacked the list and got "slightly" 
hostile with Jaime. (sorry Jaime)
upon sobriety I opted to unsubscribe from the list for lent.
Apparently the unsubscribe didn't fully take, its still had emails occasionally 
showing up in random folders and I found out that AFMUG was my only way to 
maintain sanity in this world of wireless warfare. Ive even atoned as best I 
could for my childish behavior by sending some bones to Paul a couple times.
I remember when we went to amazon initially there was some weirdness with the 
settings we had to make to not double up on emails. Now I don't see anything I 
send until it receives a response, so I suspect I'm occasionally doubling up on 
the same question because of the whole "did I ask the list this yet? I'm too 
lazy to check sent"
I'm pretty sure my shenanigans got me sent to spam/blocked sender for the vast 
majority of the list, cant blame them, I said a pretty low thing. but, that 
being then, this being now, anybody know how I get my filters, or whatever 
working, should I just drop my TOG and pull my communications to my work 
identified email? That's hosted exchange, it never displays, and the AFMUG 
archive I have is like 8 gb

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[James Howard]

Congratulations Steve!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

Hers the initial diagnostic output

On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
There is only one infected device. The malicious code that is replicating is 
directly attached to the command and control node. I know a lot of people would 
simply CleanSweep, but we just don't feel that is an appropriate step. There 
may be an IOT baby monitor that gets swept up in all this before its over in 
December.

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, David Milholen 
> wrote:

As any virus running on a network it has a pattern weather it be dormant on the 
network at times or not.

Identify the pattern and where it is trying to phone home to and isolate it 
from phoning home. Then Clean sweep the machines you have control of.

The worst part of any of this is that IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs, tempature 
monitors and others) are the real threat as they have weak basic code that is 
open to the network.

Isolation will be your best bet. This will prevent DDOS attacks on one front 
but doesnt stop new viruses from entering.



On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
an addendum to this, there are two primay variants to the payload. One tends to 
be much more aggressive, a much more roughly defined code, not all that pretty, 
but ultimately very versatile and robust. The other is normally more elegant in 
design, but it tends to be visciously malicious, this is the one to be most 
concerned of. Its underlying code has started wars and destroyed nations

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
So this weekend I discovered a Trojan virus on my network. Sometime around 
January we had opted to remove an old firewall that had met its product life 
cycles end. We were still in the process of deciding whether to continue with 
temporary firewalls or look toward more robust input/output chain policies for 
a hardened, more permanent solution. In the mean time, of course, we continued 
to do the upload/download thing. We had some suspicion that there was something 
going on, we noted alot of broadcast storms, particularly in the mornings. The 
network had become particularly sluggish and there seemed to be alot of 
application bloat, initially i just attributed this to poor code maintenance 
resulting in a memory leak.
We did a basic Netstat this weekend and discovered a traffic anomaly. So we 
went to a professional and had them run a packet sniffer. We had verification 
of foreign code, likely for as long as 6-8 weeks.
It will be layer 3 in this case but its too early to tell whether this codes 
payload will be TCP or UDP, we will be monitoring as the code replicates. This 
is a pretty common virus, as a matter of fact we have all had it at one point, 
probably so long ago we dont even remember. We anticipate The fully formed 
packet chain to leave NAT mode and be fully routed out to the WAN in December.


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Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

[James Howard]

Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream


Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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To: >
Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM

It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the droplets 
did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream


Colder.

At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, sometimes 
explode in the air.

I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could spit, 
and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit the ground.



bp




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colder for that to happen.� It has been a long time since I have done it.�
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Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
�
-12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two days.

Travis

On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
-7 at my house this morning.� Snappy!
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Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
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�
Good morning everyone.
�
I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
happy) provider is nearly up.� I got an unsolicited quote from windstream 
this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.� As as we considering 
fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second look.� 
Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had 
problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.� I've also read they did 
a lot of buying and may not have integrated very well.�
�
Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had gotten 
together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations which I 
think is pretty good.� We are also looking at several options - I'm just 
looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes 
dramatically every time we look at it.
�
Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years ago 
purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in Alabama.� We 
may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be a better 
option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't 
know yet.
�
So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.� Is anyone using them 
now and unhappy?� If so, why?
�
I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to your 
comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual snowmagedden 
event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 hours starting 
about 3 pm :)
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Happy Friday!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[James Howard]

Does this mean you're going to share your userid and password with us?

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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
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https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

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Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[James Howard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:09 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

Well, I'm pretty sure she was married to uncle grandpa roy, but my question was 
if she married him four times, or just once.
I guess you probably have to start shortening names at some point.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:49 PM, James Howard 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I think that would have made him his uncle daddy grampa Roy if he was married 
to his aunt mom Charlene and she would have been aunt mom gramma Charlene….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:34 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

I'm still wondering if that was aunt mom charlene's fourth wedding specifically 
to uncle grandpa roy, or just her fourth wedding...

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:06 PM, James Howard 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You shuddered even without a picture of the sisterwife?  I think we were all 
expecting fewer teeth in the selfie though……

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?


I shuddered... Sister wife???   Yikes

On Nov 10, 2016 10:57 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Uncle grandpa Roy... ;)

On Nov 10, 2016 11:34 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I just wish uncle dad had been there to see how beautiful his daughter niece 
was in that camo wedding gown from aunt mom charlenes forth wedding to uncle 
grampa roy. But them parole review boards was just biased against him cause 
they was immgrants and he told em to get back to their own countries. He 
shouldnt even been locked up in the first place cept my brother cousin fester 
had to go an tell on him just cause he wouldnt give him no free meth. thats not 
how merca works, a mans got to make a living and cant be givin no product out 
for free, that welfare check barely covers the slim jims and natural light so a 
mans got to make some money.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I bet ICP was played at the wedding, and you got Fanta and meth for gifts.

I can see it now - truly beautiful.

On Nov 10, 2016 10:49 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
my sisterwife takes pause with your allegations

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I hear banjos and piggies

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[Inline image 1]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I have to meet Steve in person someday.  Probably he dresses in a suit and bow 
tie, looks like Benedict Cumberbatch, and sticks his pinkie out while drinking 
tea.  Or maybe a Jim Nabors thing, looks like a high class gentleman, talks 
like Gomer, and sings like Pavarotti.  And posts on the Internet like a 
‘Mer’can.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

here in merca, we dont take kindly to that sort of speakin. dont be speakin 
that evolution nonsense nohow. erbody knows aint no evolution god made us all 
out of white folks ribs and some dirt. *takes a swig from moonshine jug and 
farts*

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Wasn't Mexican,  that is a language I don't speak or understand.. Wasn't 
Spanish either It's Dine' or Navajo as you might call it...  I am proud to 
speak several languages including English which I probably know better than 
you.  English borrows from many languages to make it more universal, not by 
design but evolution.   All this was typed with half my brain tied behind my 
back.   Furthermore,  I will type or write in any language I want... It's 
America!

On Nov 10, 2016 8:43 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
we dont need this mexican speak, this is merca here you speak mercan   *kisses 
cousin and spits tobacco on the floor*

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> 

Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[James Howard]

I think that would have made him his uncle daddy grampa Roy if he was married 
to his aunt mom Charlene and she would have been aunt mom gramma Charlene….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:34 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

I'm still wondering if that was aunt mom charlene's fourth wedding specifically 
to uncle grandpa roy, or just her fourth wedding...

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:06 PM, James Howard 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You shuddered even without a picture of the sisterwife?  I think we were all 
expecting fewer teeth in the selfie though……

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?


I shuddered... Sister wife???   Yikes

On Nov 10, 2016 10:57 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Uncle grandpa Roy... ;)

On Nov 10, 2016 11:34 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I just wish uncle dad had been there to see how beautiful his daughter niece 
was in that camo wedding gown from aunt mom charlenes forth wedding to uncle 
grampa roy. But them parole review boards was just biased against him cause 
they was immgrants and he told em to get back to their own countries. He 
shouldnt even been locked up in the first place cept my brother cousin fester 
had to go an tell on him just cause he wouldnt give him no free meth. thats not 
how merca works, a mans got to make a living and cant be givin no product out 
for free, that welfare check barely covers the slim jims and natural light so a 
mans got to make some money.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I bet ICP was played at the wedding, and you got Fanta and meth for gifts.

I can see it now - truly beautiful.

On Nov 10, 2016 10:49 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
my sisterwife takes pause with your allegations

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I hear banjos and piggies

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[Inline image 1]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I have to meet Steve in person someday.  Probably he dresses in a suit and bow 
tie, looks like Benedict Cumberbatch, and sticks his pinkie out while drinking 
tea.  Or maybe a Jim Nabors thing, looks like a high class gentleman, talks 
like Gomer, and sings like Pavarotti.  And posts on the Internet like a 
‘Mer’can.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

here in merca, we dont take kindly to that sort of speakin. dont be speakin 
that evolution nonsense nohow. erbody knows aint no evolution god made us all 
out of white folks ribs and some dirt. *takes a swig from moonshine jug and 
farts*

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Wasn't Mexican,  that is a language I don't speak or understand.. Wasn't 
Spanish either It's Dine' or Navajo as you might call it...  I am proud to 
speak several languages including English which I probably know better than 
you.  English borrows from many languages to make it more universal, not by 
design but evolution.   All this was typed with half my brain tied behind my 
back.   Furthermore,  I will type or write in any language I want... It's 
America!

On Nov 10, 2016 8:43 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
we dont need this mexican speak, this is merca here you speak mercan   *kisses 
cousin and spits tobacco on the floor*

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Gracias.. Igualmente

On Nov 10, 2016 8:20 AM, "Paul McCall" 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

Si!  Te queremos Jaime!


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:31 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?


I am a peaceful man... I wouldn't hurt a fly... Good night ...remember I am not 
illegal,  I am your amigo...

On Nov 9, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarca

Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[James Howard]

You shuddered even without a picture of the sisterwife?  I think we were all 
expecting fewer teeth in the selfie though……

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?


I shuddered... Sister wife???   Yikes

On Nov 10, 2016 10:57 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:

Uncle grandpa Roy... ;)

On Nov 10, 2016 11:34 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
I just wish uncle dad had been there to see how beautiful his daughter niece 
was in that camo wedding gown from aunt mom charlenes forth wedding to uncle 
grampa roy. But them parole review boards was just biased against him cause 
they was immgrants and he told em to get back to their own countries. He 
shouldnt even been locked up in the first place cept my brother cousin fester 
had to go an tell on him just cause he wouldnt give him no free meth. thats not 
how merca works, a mans got to make a living and cant be givin no product out 
for free, that welfare check barely covers the slim jims and natural light so a 
mans got to make some money.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:

I bet ICP was played at the wedding, and you got Fanta and meth for gifts.

I can see it now - truly beautiful.

On Nov 10, 2016 10:49 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
my sisterwife takes pause with your allegations

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I hear banjos and piggies

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[Inline image 1]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
I have to meet Steve in person someday.  Probably he dresses in a suit and bow 
tie, looks like Benedict Cumberbatch, and sticks his pinkie out while drinking 
tea.  Or maybe a Jim Nabors thing, looks like a high class gentleman, talks 
like Gomer, and sings like Pavarotti.  And posts on the Internet like a 
‘Mer’can.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

here in merca, we dont take kindly to that sort of speakin. dont be speakin 
that evolution nonsense nohow. erbody knows aint no evolution god made us all 
out of white folks ribs and some dirt. *takes a swig from moonshine jug and 
farts*

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:

Wasn't Mexican,  that is a language I don't speak or understand.. Wasn't 
Spanish either It's Dine' or Navajo as you might call it...  I am proud to 
speak several languages including English which I probably know better than 
you.  English borrows from many languages to make it more universal, not by 
design but evolution.   All this was typed with half my brain tied behind my 
back.   Furthermore,  I will type or write in any language I want... It's 
America!

On Nov 10, 2016 8:43 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
we dont need this mexican speak, this is merca here you speak mercan   *kisses 
cousin and spits tobacco on the floor*

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:

Gracias.. Igualmente

On Nov 10, 2016 8:20 AM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:

Si!  Te queremos Jaime!


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:31 AM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?


I am a peaceful man... I wouldn't hurt a fly... Good night ...remember I am not 
illegal,  I am your amigo...

On Nov 9, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
everybody is afraid that bad hombre jaime is going to cut us with his boot 
knife so we are laying low

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
No emails from the list today. I would have thought I would see something about 
politics.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT : Small computer to run QB enterprise with RDP

[James Howard]

We use QB for financials and payroll.  Went to their cloud based a couple of 
years ago and had major issues with payroll printing locally.  I don’t recall 
the details but the guy that did it said it was a major headache and mess 
getting it back in house.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Small computer to run QB enterprise with RDP

I wonder if this is reversible in the event you find you don’t like it?
Also, what is the cost?

From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT : Small computer to run QB enterprise with RDP

Yes we moved quickbooks to the intuit cloud.  My business partner and our 
accountant seem very happy with the transition.  I'm happy with it because I 
don't have to deal with supporting it anymore lol.

-Sean

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:
I presume you mean you moved QB to the Intuit cloud.
How much does that cost?
They take care of backups etc I would assume?
How difficult was it to make the transition?
I presume your accountant can get right in without having to create and 
transfer accountant copies of the DB?

From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Small computer to run QB enterprise with RDP

we moved ours to their cloud and haven't looked back.  much less clunky than 
running it on a local server etc.

YMMV

-Sean


On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
This is a bright group so I wanted to see if this is something worth doing or 
maybe worth avoiding. I really don't want to get Windows server 2012 and try to 
figure out the while terminal services thing with licensing. I was thinking it 
might just be easier since I only need one or two people to remote in just to 
get some headless PC's and sit them in a corner somewhere.

Probably a bad idea but any thoughts?

The specs from QB are:
·Windows Vista SP2, 7 SP1, 8.1 Update 1, or Windows 10(32-bit & 64-bit)
·Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1, 2012 R2
·2.4 GHz processor
·4 GB of RAM
·2.5 GB disk space recommended
·1024x768 or higher screen resolution, extended monitor is supported
·4x DVD-ROM drive


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Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

[James Howard]

I thought the 844G was the gpon version.  So you can't get the software for 
them unless you're setup to buy them directly from Calix?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

Its only feature rich with the software Calix gives you. Just selling you a 
router is just sending you a router with a fiber gpon interface.

Doesn't do any good without the horse. If you talk to Calix they'll help you 
understand the hardware and let you try stuff out. No reason to even buy it 
from someone. I've been happy with the support they've given and how much 
they've helped us every step of the way.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

So, you guys have said some good things about these routers.  I don't want to 
go through all the trouble getting setup with them if they don't end up being 
something that we want to sell to our customers.

Can one of you guys who use them now just sell me one?

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[AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

[James Howard]

So, you guys have said some good things about these routers.  I don't want to 
go through all the trouble getting setup with them if they don't end up being 
something that we want to sell to our customers.

Can one of you guys who use them now just sell me one?

James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

[James Howard]

Bigot is probably more fitting…..

I didn’t state the obvious thing that this sort of problem is usually an Apple 
user……

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys


Elitist

On Sep 7, 2016 4:04 PM, "James Howard" 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Usually if a customer is running Linux they don’t call with problems like this 
one had though….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

It does work in Gnome. I was pressing CTRL+ALT not CTRL+SHIFT. (facepalm)

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From: "Christopher Tyler" 
<ch...@totalhighspeed.net><mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net%3e>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 4:59:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

That doesn't generally work on Linux, not sure about MAC but I doubt it.

Supposedly, if you are using Gnome you can do it by holding down both the Ctrl 
and Shift keys and typing u followed by the hexadecimal value of the character.
I can't get it to work so maybe no longer supported in Gnome?

--
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MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

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From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com><mailto:cc...@wispmon.com%3e>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 4:07:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

I know everyone just tried it.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Jay Weekley 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net><mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net%3e>
wrote:

> Wow, that works!
>
>
> Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Showing my age here
>>
>> Hold alt key down and on numkeypad 103 for g and 057 for 9.
>>
>>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

[James Howard]

Usually if a customer is running Linux they don't call with problems like this 
one had though

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

It does work in Gnome. I was pressing CTRL+ALT not CTRL+SHIFT. (facepalm)

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To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 4:59:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

That doesn't generally work on Linux, not sure about MAC but I doubt it.

Supposedly, if you are using Gnome you can do it by holding down both the Ctrl 
and Shift keys and typing u followed by the hexadecimal value of the character.
I can't get it to work so maybe no longer supported in Gnome?

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From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 4:07:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

I know everyone just tried it.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Jay Weekley 

wrote:

> Wow, that works!
>
>
> Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Showing my age here
>>
>> Hold alt key down and on numkeypad 103 for g and 057 for 9.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

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Yikes!  Do you know how to program with punch cards too?

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Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 3:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] call back when you fix your g and 9 keys

Ken,

Showing my age here

Hold alt key down and on numkeypad 103 for g and 057 for 9.

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KH> Customer calls, I tell him it looks like someone may have
KH> pressed the reset button on his Netgear router, and would he open
KH> his web browser and type routerlogin.net for the web address.
KH> �
KH> He tries but says the "g" key isn't working on his computer.�
KH> OK, try 192.168.1.1.� Nope, the "9" key isn't working.� OK, how
KH> about your smartphone.� He says it isn't letting him open any apps.
KH> �
KH> OK, I'm sure someone is going to say there is some hotkey
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Re: [AFMUG] Workers comp

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>From 
>http://laborcommission.utah.gov/media/pdfs/industrialaccidents/pubs/EEGuide.pdf


Q27. What if my doctor says I can perform light-duty work and my employer does 
not have light-duty work available? A. If your employer does not offer 
light-duty work, you are entitled to continue receiving temporary total 
disability compensation benefits until a doctor finds you are at medical 
stability or you exhaust your 312 week entitlement.



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Subject: [AFMUG] Workers comp

I have an employee that was injured on the job.  New entry level temp labor 
employee was handling something that was far heavier than he suspected, it got 
loose and came down on his toes.  Broke a toe I think.  It was a legit 
workplace injury.

So the workers comp doctor finally cleared him to come back to work, but no 
walking for more than 200 feet, no lifting, no standing more than 30 minutes, 
no climbing ladders.

The workers comp doctors really milk these things.

The kid was hired to lift and dig and stand.  I have no clue if we can just 
tell him to stay home without pay until he can do his job, or if we can lay him 
off or what

Anyone been through this before?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Garrison Keillor

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And Tecate

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Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 3:39 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garrison Keillor


I enjoy satire.

On Aug 12, 2016 1:15 PM, > wrote:
Todays column excerpt:

So my friends in Copenhagen are asking, “What’s going on in America that you 
got so crazy so suddenly?” Danes take an interest in us because their country 
is flat and if our emissions melt Greenland, they’ll have to move to Norway 
where the vowels are different and the beer tastes fishy.

I tell them: the Big Snapper is the result of a longstanding American dread of 
meetings. Liberals adore meetings and whenever there is uncertainty in the air 
— salmon or salad for dinner? The Woody Allen movie or the documentary on 
income inequality? — they plop down with their lattes and everyone has her or 
his say, which takes hours and results in a report that leads to a task force 
and then a twoyear study. The Snapper is not big on meetings. Short attention 
span and superior intelligence: Let’s go. Get her done. Move on.

The second reason for his nomination is The Fascination of the Unthinkable: 
when the rational fails to satisfy, then why not the counterintuitive? If your 
car won’t start and you don’t know why, push it over a cliff and watch it blow 
up. If you’re tired of the same old same old in Washington, why not elect Bob 
Barker, host of “The Price Is Right”? It’s like having a walrus in church 
Sunday morning. The minister tries to explain the parable of the vineyard and 
the walrus says, “BLEAUGHH.” Which one do you remember for weeks afterward?


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Re: [AFMUG] Blue Silos

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Harvestore brand silos are 5' for each ring.  Typically if they're over 40' or 
so they have the silver rings every 10 from the top but some have those on each 
5' section.  A 100' Harvestore will have 20 rings.

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Subject: [AFMUG] Blue Silos

How tall is each ring/section on a blue harvestore silo?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Same question with a twist

[James Howard]

We've been using Chase "Ink" business cards for a while now.  I'm not sure of 
the % back but it's at least 1% on everything.  You can choose from a bunch of 
options for rewards, a paper check, statement credit, gift cards and possibly 
some other choices.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 3:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Same question with a twist

A few months ago we had a pretty good discussion about the best deals for 
credit cards.
Today, I am looking for a better deal for company purchases.  I like my Capital 
One Visa that gives good miles.  I use the miles and like to store them up for 
my annual trips to England.

But I figured I may as well start getting either miles or dollars or super low 
interest or something for the company credit card.
Anyone have favorites for company use?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

[James Howard]

Nah, that’s a 4x4 lifted pickup with a gun rack in the back window

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:08 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project


Ha, and here I thought all you good old boys got one at 18
On Jun 8, 2016 10:49 AM, "James Howard" 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Well, Chuck’s design makes it so you don’t have to get off the tractor and 
touch the bins.  The trouble is that not everybody has a loader tractor though.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:39 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

This one can do two cans at at time, but maybe similar issues with dimmensions, 
etc.

http://cansporter.com/

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From: "James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net><mailto:ja...@litewire.net%3e>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 11:34:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

My brother is telling me I should sell my Bobcat and get a Toolcat 5600. 
Probably will at some point but they’re pretty pricey, even used.

http://www.bobcat.com/utility-products/toolcat/models/5600/features


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

If I can figure out a way to hook up to a UTV/ATV I will. I have never owned 
one and don’t know if they are heavy enough to do the job and if there are any 
common mountings or attach points.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net><mailto:ja...@litewire.net%3e>
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

Yeah, I get the 3point part. I was thinking of a mount similar to what you have 
that you just slide the bucket into. Didn’t realize that though about the cans 
not all having pockets. We’ve had bins from several different companies and 
they all had the pockets.

I actually want a way to do it with a UTV instead of loader tractor.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:54 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

Two problems:
1) Not all tractors have a three point hitch.
2) The can designs are not standardized.

I was surprised at the different number and sizes of can designs.
When I started the project I was looking at doing it simple like this, but when 
I found out there is not a pocket on all cans etc and the sizes and geometries 
vary I did it the way the garbage trucks do it.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net><mailto:ja...@litewire.net%3e>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

I hate to say this but I think you’re making it a lot more complicated than it 
might need to be Chuck. Have you seen this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoeP-3BRnx8

Your design has the advantage of not having to get off and turn the bin around 
if it’s facing the wrong way but this sure is simple.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:06 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

That is kinda what I am hoping.
It will be 100% hot dip galvanized.
Just scoop it on and away you go, nothing to connect or hookup.
Not sure yet whether or not to offer multiple powering options such as:

* On board battery with removable battery and charger in the house.
* On board batter with built in 120 VAC charger and short AC cord and plug.
* Connect to the 12 VDC system of the tractor (lower cost option).
I was going to control it via tilt switch. Tilt it a bit down and it opens, up 
and it closes.
But I think I will go with the RF remote. Tilts might be tricky when going up 
and down slopes.
You don’t want to go down hill and have it dump your garbage.

I could do a remote switch and tractor power for the super economy version...

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:01 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

I know a lot of people that would love that!

On 06/08/2016 07:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> So what demand is this to satisfy? I assume tha

Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

[James Howard]

Well, Chuck’s design makes it so you don’t have to get off the tractor and 
touch the bins.  The trouble is that not everybody has a loader tractor though.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

This one can do two cans at at time, but maybe similar issues with dimmensions, 
etc.

http://cansporter.com/

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From: "James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net><mailto:ja...@litewire.net%3e>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 11:34:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

My brother is telling me I should sell my Bobcat and get a Toolcat 5600. 
Probably will at some point but they’re pretty pricey, even used.

http://www.bobcat.com/utility-products/toolcat/models/5600/features


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

If I can figure out a way to hook up to a UTV/ATV I will. I have never owned 
one and don’t know if they are heavy enough to do the job and if there are any 
common mountings or attach points.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net><mailto:ja...@litewire.net%3e>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:05 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

Yeah, I get the 3point part. I was thinking of a mount similar to what you have 
that you just slide the bucket into. Didn’t realize that though about the cans 
not all having pockets. We’ve had bins from several different companies and 
they all had the pockets.

I actually want a way to do it with a UTV instead of loader tractor.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:54 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

Two problems:
1) Not all tractors have a three point hitch.
2) The can designs are not standardized.

I was surprised at the different number and sizes of can designs.
When I started the project I was looking at doing it simple like this, but when 
I found out there is not a pocket on all cans etc and the sizes and geometries 
vary I did it the way the garbage trucks do it.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net><mailto:ja...@litewire.net%3e>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:49 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

I hate to say this but I think you’re making it a lot more complicated than it 
might need to be Chuck. Have you seen this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoeP-3BRnx8

Your design has the advantage of not having to get off and turn the bin around 
if it’s facing the wrong way but this sure is simple.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:06 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

That is kinda what I am hoping.
It will be 100% hot dip galvanized.
Just scoop it on and away you go, nothing to connect or hookup.
Not sure yet whether or not to offer multiple powering options such as:

* On board battery with removable battery and charger in the house.
* On board batter with built in 120 VAC charger and short AC cord and plug.
* Connect to the 12 VDC system of the tractor (lower cost option).
I was going to control it via tilt switch. Tilt it a bit down and it opens, up 
and it closes.
But I think I will go with the RF remote. Tilts might be tricky when going up 
and down slopes.
You don’t want to go down hill and have it dump your garbage.

I could do a remote switch and tractor power for the super economy version...

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:01 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

I know a lot of people that would love that!

On 06/08/2016 07:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> So what demand is this to satisfy? I assume that the black cylinder is
> some kind of solenoid used to lock the attachment on the bucket. How do
> you dump it? Is this just to move the trash receptacles out to the road
> so they can be emptied? If o, I can see a use for it. I see some people
> on five acre tracts struggling to move their cans out all the time.
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:38 AM Chuck McCown 
> <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

[James Howard]

My brother is telling me I should sell my Bobcat and get a Toolcat 5600.  
Probably will at some point but they’re pretty pricey, even used.

http://www.bobcat.com/utility-products/toolcat/models/5600/features


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

If I can figure out a way to hook up to a UTV/ATV I will.  I have never owned 
one and don’t know if they are heavy enough to do the job and if there are any 
common mountings or attach points.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

Yeah, I get the 3point part.  I was thinking of a mount similar to what you 
have that you just slide the bucket into.  Didn’t realize that though about the 
cans not all having pockets.  We’ve had bins from several different companies 
and they all had the pockets.

I actually want a way to do it with a UTV instead of loader tractor.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

Two problems:
1)Not all tractors have a three point hitch.
2)The can designs are not standardized.

I was surprised at the different number and sizes of can designs.
When I started the project I was looking at doing it simple like this, but when 
I found out there is not a pocket on all cans etc and the sizes and geometries 
vary I did it the way the garbage trucks do it.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

I hate to say this but I think you’re making it a lot more complicated than it 
might need to be Chuck.  Have you seen this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoeP-3BRnx8

Your design has the advantage of not having to get off and turn the bin around 
if it’s facing the wrong way but this sure is simple.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

That is kinda what I am hoping.
It will be 100% hot dip galvanized.
Just scoop it on and away you go, nothing to connect or hookup.
Not sure yet whether or not to offer multiple powering options such as:

  *   On board battery with removable battery and charger in the house.
  *   On board batter with built in 120 VAC charger and short AC cord and plug.
  *   Connect to the 12 VDC system of the tractor (lower cost option).
I was going to control it via tilt switch.  Tilt it a bit down and it opens, up 
and it closes.
But I think I will go with the RF remote.  Tilts might be tricky when going up 
and down slopes.
You don’t want to go down hill and have it dump your garbage.

I could do a remote switch and tractor power for the super economy version...

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

I know a lot of people that would love that!

On 06/08/2016 07:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> So what demand is this to satisfy? I assume that the black cylinder is
> some kind of solenoid used to lock the attachment on the bucket. How do
> you dump it? Is this just to move the trash receptacles out to the road
> so they can be emptied? If o, I can see a use for it. I see some people
> on five acre tracts struggling to move their cans out all the time.
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:38 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>
> Try this:
>
>
> https://youtu.be/vWyV9I2XD_M
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

[James Howard]

Yeah, I get the 3point part.  I was thinking of a mount similar to what you 
have that you just slide the bucket into.  Didn’t realize that though about the 
cans not all having pockets.  We’ve had bins from several different companies 
and they all had the pockets.

I actually want a way to do it with a UTV instead of loader tractor.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

Two problems:
1)Not all tractors have a three point hitch.
2)The can designs are not standardized.

I was surprised at the different number and sizes of can designs.
When I started the project I was looking at doing it simple like this, but when 
I found out there is not a pocket on all cans etc and the sizes and geometries 
vary I did it the way the garbage trucks do it.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

I hate to say this but I think you’re making it a lot more complicated than it 
might need to be Chuck.  Have you seen this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoeP-3BRnx8

Your design has the advantage of not having to get off and turn the bin around 
if it’s facing the wrong way but this sure is simple.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

That is kinda what I am hoping.
It will be 100% hot dip galvanized.
Just scoop it on and away you go, nothing to connect or hookup.
Not sure yet whether or not to offer multiple powering options such as:

  *   On board battery with removable battery and charger in the house.
  *   On board batter with built in 120 VAC charger and short AC cord and plug.
  *   Connect to the 12 VDC system of the tractor (lower cost option).
I was going to control it via tilt switch.  Tilt it a bit down and it opens, up 
and it closes.
But I think I will go with the RF remote.  Tilts might be tricky when going up 
and down slopes.
You don’t want to go down hill and have it dump your garbage.

I could do a remote switch and tractor power for the super economy version...

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

I know a lot of people that would love that!

On 06/08/2016 07:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> So what demand is this to satisfy? I assume that the black cylinder is
> some kind of solenoid used to lock the attachment on the bucket. How do
> you dump it? Is this just to move the trash receptacles out to the road
> so they can be emptied? If o, I can see a use for it. I see some people
> on five acre tracts struggling to move their cans out all the time.
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:38 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>
> Try this:
>
>
> https://youtu.be/vWyV9I2XD_M
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

[James Howard]

I hate to say this but I think you’re making it a lot more complicated than it 
might need to be Chuck.  Have you seen this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoeP-3BRnx8

Your design has the advantage of not having to get off and turn the bin around 
if it’s facing the wrong way but this sure is simple.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

That is kinda what I am hoping.
It will be 100% hot dip galvanized.
Just scoop it on and away you go, nothing to connect or hookup.
Not sure yet whether or not to offer multiple powering options such as:

  *   On board battery with removable battery and charger in the house.
  *   On board batter with built in 120 VAC charger and short AC cord and plug.
  *   Connect to the 12 VDC system of the tractor (lower cost option).
I was going to control it via tilt switch.  Tilt it a bit down and it opens, up 
and it closes.
But I think I will go with the RF remote.  Tilts might be tricky when going up 
and down slopes.
You don’t want to go down hill and have it dump your garbage.

I could do a remote switch and tractor power for the super economy version...

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

I know a lot of people that would love that!

On 06/08/2016 07:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> So what demand is this to satisfy? I assume that the black cylinder is
> some kind of solenoid used to lock the attachment on the bucket. How do
> you dump it? Is this just to move the trash receptacles out to the road
> so they can be emptied? If o, I can see a use for it. I see some people
> on five acre tracts struggling to move their cans out all the time.
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:38 AM Chuck McCown  > wrote:
>
> Try this:
>
>
> https://youtu.be/vWyV9I2XD_M
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

[James Howard]

What about on recycling day?  You have to make 2 trips?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New project

Try this:


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Flyboard Air

[James Howard]

He only went to 100'.  Parachute isn't any good at that height.  There's 
clearly a hose going down his leg from the pack on his back.  Check out 
1:40-1:45 of the video in stop frame.   Also notice at the beginning of the 
video the guy on the right side of the screen appears to have some type of fuel 
pack with a hose (presumably to refill).

Looks legit to me.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Flyboard Air

Looked like a parachute...

On 04/12/2016 10:19 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
> actually... he has something on his back, I wonder if that's the fuel tank.
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Chuck McCown 
> 
> > wrote:
>
> You could always have a fanny pack full of fuel.
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2016 11:13 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Flyboard Air
> Yeah, I think it's real... there are apparently turbines out there
> that are small enough and produce enough thrust to make it
> plausible, I don't quite see how they can fit enough fuel in there
> though.
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Robert Andrews
>  
> > wrote:
>
> The balance skill comes from their product that is water driven
> with the hose from a jet ski. I believe that small hi-bypass
> turbojets are now available with 200+ lbs of thrust. Enough to
> do what we saw in the video. What I don't see is the fuel to
> run it. Even for just 3.55 minutes. But there is a 10 minute
> platform that is out there right now that is like the old jet
> pack but with two hi-bypass turbines on it that is currently in
> beta. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCYSWyHDpfU
>
>
> On 04/12/2016 09:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I think it's some kind of fake. There is not enough volume
> in the
> platform for the kind of thrust that is being generated.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/12/2016 6:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Looks perfect for site surveys and tower maintenance.�
> But is it real?
> �
> http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/11/11406142/flyboard-air-hoverboard-franky-zapata
> �
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

[James Howard]

Melzertv.com is another.  A guy we used to do IT work for got one from a buddy 
of his in Canada.  Says he gets Netflix for free on it.  I told him that I 
don’t think Netflix would agree that it’s legal…..


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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-electronique/gatineau/m8s-tv-box-fully-configured-wireless-mouse/1153242181?null

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Micah Miller
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

Anyone got a link to one?

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Paul Stewart 
 wrote:
> The android based boxes are everywhere here in Canada now … people
> buying them up like crazy – basically preloaded Android boxes with
> Kodi and lots of “addons” that allow folks to get lots of questionable
> content …
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Greg Osborn
> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:24 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams
>
>
>
> If it isn’t a problem now, it will be. The streams aren’t nearly as
> efficient as Netflix. Programming seems to be lacking in US
> programming and more focused to Europe and Canada.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 10:23 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams
>
>
>
> Canadian issue :)
>
> On Apr 4, 2016 8:47 PM, "Andreas Wiatowski" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> I’m not sure if you run into this in the USA…. But it seems that KODI
> / XBMC traffic is almost on par with Netflix on our network (About a
> 100Mbps difference in favour of Netflix.). Are others here seeing
> this trend? Or is this just a Canadian problem?
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Out Source Tech Support Vendors

[James Howard]

Do they bill $ per customer per month or $ per minute with a minimum commit?  
(or something completely different)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Charles Boening
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Out Source Tech Support Vendors

We use ISPN.  Been with them for about 10 years.  Great people.

http://www.ispn.net/


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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Out Source Tech Support Vendors

Hi,

We are looking to do outsource after hrs tech support. I know there are few 
companies doing this. I have talked to server plus already. Which others ones 
provide such services?

Any experience people can share?

Thanks,
Tushar

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

[James Howard]

There you go with those ad hominem attacks!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:05 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

yup..he claimed to be first and I told him about Rafael Chayres from Internet 
Online in Chihuahua,Chihuahua having installed 3 900MHz links to hospital and 
doctor's office for Internet two years before his...1992/93 time 
framewonder if he still wears turtlenecks?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Rick Harnish 
> wrote:
Oh wow, the days of the “Wild West” early WISP days!  Thanks for the chuckle 
Jaime!

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
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Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:22 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org


I remember checking my email and all of a sudden I am on AfmugI emailed 
Chuck and he  told me I could play with you guys... it's a fun ride ...not 
getting knocked off list as before like when I took on Brett Glass for dissing  
Unger and Larsen... his favorite line was ad hominem attacks on my 
partha...the good old days...
On Mar 1, 2016 7:47 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:

Hilarious.

Yeah Charles, pay your damn bill! ;)

That guy could run as Trump's VP.
On Mar 1, 2016 7:05 AM, "Daniel White" 
> wrote:
I’m sure I’ll get a cease and desist letter from Mike, but for those interested…

The above e-mail was sent at 8:29am (MST) on July 7th, 2008.  List went dark at 
2:03pm.  It came back the next morning… all was kinda okay at that point (as I 
recall server outages happened once in a while) but it went down hard a few 
hours later, then was down for 3 ½ days.

My first e-mail with Chuck about the new list was 7:32pm on July 7th.

This part also pissed a lot of people off:


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> The PART-15.ORG Motorola Discussion List

> This is a Paid Subscription Email Discussion List Service.

> All rights reserved. All content becomes the sole property

> of PART-15.ORG

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From: Bullit >
To: >
Cc:
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:29:40 -0700
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
Do you all want all the lists to be free?

If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG and you all can do 
whatever you want.

I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support 
PART-15.ORG then
don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
PART-15.ORG will just fade away which appears to be what 
you guys want and I
have no problem with that idea.

And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG maybe he could get 
back on the lists.
As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned. They
don't want to support PART-15.ORG so why the hell should I 
let them in for
free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.

Michael



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Behalf Of Chuck McCown
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To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

Trango is still a free list.  No so moto.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Handiboe" 
>
To: >
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List


> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>> I can think of more than 5 that are no longer here.  I have not heard
>> from any of these guys since the list went paid (I don't think):
>
>> David Sovreen
>> Dan Peterman
>
> I thought I saw these guys  ... Peterman just the other day (?) ...
> maybe that was on the Mikrotik list.   I miss the rest of them.
>
> Funny thing, though, in my 

Re: [AFMUG] anybody installing Excede?

[James Howard]

If you're asking about yard signs (on street corners) a bunch of orange ones 
popped up around here recently.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 9:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody installing Excede?

Out of curiosity, what color are the excede signs in your areas?

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
If you are installing Excede, I would like to chat with you about a situation 
that has come up as an emergency for us

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot buying a salon

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Well, if you only cut one hair for each beer they buy it could be lucrative.  
"Honey, I got my hair cut for free.  Took a few weeks and had to buy a lot of 
beer but I got a bargain!"

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot buying a salon

Not sure how well that would workout...

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
I'm still waiting for you to open the Crum Brewery.. maybe you can give away a 
free haircut with every beer?
On 2/25/2016 9:18 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
BTW, high end men's salons are becoming a trend, at least in urban areas. We 
actually talked about opening one here. My wife says the customer turn over is 
a lot faster and they pay almost as much. The idea was to have the waiting room 
be a sort of bar/hang out. We give away free beer (2 max, keg beer - total cost 
would be like $2/cutomer depending on the beer) and there would be a pool 
table, sports games on TV, even a smoking room for cigars and such. There would 
be a chair massage (for a fee of course), and a "head massage specialist" doing 
shampoos as part of every cut. It wouldn't hurt to have that one be "Very" 
attractive. We got into the planning stages and then one called "The Boardroom" 
opened up. Oh well. However, I have buddies who go there. Average price they 
pay is around $60. Some get straight razor shaves($20), haircut($30), 
manicures, pedicures, etc. That is pretty good. I bet they are out of there 
within 45 min. Just a haircut and they are probably out in 30. Compare that to 
a girl who can take 2+ hours in a chair and you have a pretty good business.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Cameron Crum 
> wrote:
They do Simon. In fact, there have been several cases where Hooters was opening 
new locations and their stores became ready before they got through all the 
legal wranglings for their beer/wine license and they just gave the beer away. 
However, I'm pretty sure that most places that serve alcohol make most of their 
profit on it, so it wouldn't be smart to give it away in any volume. I 
participate in a lot of brewing competitions and we give beer away all day. 
Many are at established businesses without liqor licenses. Federal law says 
nothing about giving it away. They just want the tax money if you are selling 
it.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
Really? I'm surprised there aren't more places doing things like 'Free beer 
with your meal' or 'buy some peanuts at $5 a bowl and get a free beer!' but 
maybe there's already something closing that loophole..
On 2/24/2016 11:34 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Obviously check your liquor laws, but in most states you don't need a license 
if you are giving it away.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
So, become a church...

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
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To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot buying a salon

Booze is not a bad idea, i dont know if you can just give it and not have a 
liquor license, but there are no available licenses here, i think we get one 
per church, so we have plenty of bars.

A clarification on the relationship between the two, its a strained familiar 
relationship due to differences in visions. Both parties are more than 
agreeable to the whole scenario, I met with each separately specifically to see 
what the dynamic was, I didnt want to get into a train wreck. The more im 
learning of the details, there were alot of points in time where all it would 
have taken was two people just stopping to talk to one another and the disaster 
would have been avoidable, I think, based on knowing the individuals, that had 
either one of them not been in the mother/daughter environment, this would 
never have happened.

A poor choice in the failure chain was retail, it got transitioned from 
commission sales to a mechanism the keep the business floating. Once that 
happened two things took place, the chairs saw no real benefit in pushing it 
which was made worse by the fact it essentially equated to a pay cut, and the 
financier partner saw no gain in risking bringing in any new retail. In the 
schooling that costs 16k, they drill that into the girls heads, retail, retail, 
retail, without it, all youre offering is a haircut and everybody offers a 
haircut. Thats already been an agreed upon term, the return of retail sales 
comission, and the return of loss leaders, they completely eliminated that 
struggling to float. I was talking to a friend of mine last night, she crochets 
artsy shit like baby covers and boob caps, whatever. these things move like hot 
cakes in the salons. We had tried to get them in the 

Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review - 13 hours

[James Howard]

I wouldn’t expect Hillary supporters to be watching that movie though.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review - 13 hours

Yes, and probably even more so.  I can probably safely say that nobody in the 
theater will be voting for Hillary based on the comments I heard.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review - 13 hours

Will the film make me as angry as I suspect it will make me?

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
No.  She wasn’t even mentioned.  It was more about which departments weren’t 
doing anything to help these guys.

Rory

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Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review - 13 hours

Did it have Hillary in it?

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Movie Review - 13 hours

Great movie.  More emotionally draining than American Sniper.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Guns

[James Howard]

I heard that Putin is Chuck Norris.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Guns

That's Chuck Norris...


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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
I hear Putin's tears cure cancer. Too bad he never cries.


Chuck McCown wrote:
Would Putin cry at a press conference?



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Re: [AFMUG] Someday LOL

[James Howard]

And skipping the egg and the milk parts?

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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:06 AM
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Hitting the eggnogg a bit early  ?

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Someday LOL
First thing I remember was asking AFMUG, why,
For there were many messages I didnt get.
And AFMUG always smiled and took me by the hand,
Saying, someday you'll get on the list.

[Chorus]
Well, I'm here to tell you now, each and every mother's son,
That you better learn it fast, you better learn it young,
'Cause someday never comes.

Well, time and tears went by and I collected dust.
For there were many messages I didnt get.
When AFMUG went to spam, it said, check the header again,
And someday you'll get on the list.

Well, I'm here to tell you now, each and every mother's son,
That you better learn it fast, you better learn it young,
'Cause someday never comes.

And then one day in December, I wasn't even there,
For there were many things I didn't know.
A message was sent to me. AFMUG forwarded it on,
Sayin' someday you'll get on the list.

Well, I'm here to tell you now, each and every mother's son,
That you better learn it fast, you better learn it young,
'Cause someday never comes
Ooo someday never comes.

Think it was September, the year it went to spam,
For there were many things I didn't know.
And I still dont see it,  Im tryin' to be a man,
I said, someday you'll get on the list.

Well, I'm here to tell you now, each and every mother's son,
That you better learn it fast, you better learn it young,
'Cause someday never comes
Ooo someday never comes.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

He's been having issues getting messages from the list to him.


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On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:33 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


a rough time David?

- Original Message -
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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Someday LOL


Hi?
On Dec 11, 2015 8:22 AM, "David" 
> wrote:
Someday I may be able to revisit the list once again.
Someday I may be able to share my dry jokes again.
Someday I may just get this thing working.

LOL

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Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[James Howard]

It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me.  Mostly the diamond pattern just 
didn’t feel good in my hands.  I just did a bit of looking now though and it 
looks like there are some options for fixing that.  I might have to look into 
them again.  I really like the Sig P938 so far though.

I missed your comment about Glock fanboys.  Shocking we haven’t had any so far 
but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question of what 
brand/model of pistol we like.  For the record, I’ve yet to meet a Glock that 
I’d want to own.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

XDS has replaceable grip backstraps.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238.  I’ve got the SAS 
model (anti snag).  I’ve also got a S M Shield in 9mm and have looked at 
the Springfield XDS many times.  I just can’t get over the fact that I don’t 
like the grips on the XDS.  Prime reason to go with the XDS is that you can get 
it in 45ACP.  There are a lot of cheaper brands out there too.

If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the different 
options.  My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because several people told him 
how great they were.  The problem is that it doesn’t fit his hand well at all 
and the trigger digs into his finger so he shoots terrible with it.  His 
accuracy is greatly improved using my M Shield.

No matter what you get though.  A major key to carrying it safely is practice 
and being comfortable with it.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

That was one thing I forgot to mention with the P238.. it has a manual safety 
as well, if that's important to you. I personally don't really care, but it's 
another good point.
On 12/7/2015 10:07 AM, Jeremy wrote:
A lot of people are carrying a gun that has no safety.  The safety is released 
by squeezing the trigger, essentially.  I have kids, and although I plan to 
keep my gun far away from them, I cannot on a clear conscience carry a gun with 
no safety.  I have been considering a revolver.  My bro has a CC and he 
recommends something smaller, so it doesn't jab you in the side whenever you 
sit down.  I am still looking for the right gun for a CC.  I've already had a 
gun pulled on my at a job.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
I am getting my CC permit (Florida) in a week or so.  I took an absolutely 
excellent class from the main trainer at the Brevard county sheriff’s office.

Now, I am looking for an excellent CC gun to use, as my long barrel Colt 38 is 
not a good fit for that.

I am certain that this group probably has a LOT of expertise (and many 
opinions) on THE gun to use.

☺

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Ebay

[James Howard]

Member since: Oct 27, 1998

I actually had an account at my last place of employment before we started this 
company that was before that.  Guess it doesn’t matter though since I don’t 
have that account anymore.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ebay


you young people make me sicklol
ok, not really ;)

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ebay

2005 here.  I was also in high school.


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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
Feb 15, 1999. I was still in High School.

-Ty



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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists 
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Jun 17, 1998… It must have been a popular year.

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July 1998. Have a business account that is newer, with more transactions.


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Member since: Dec 23, 2000

Who has the oldest ebay account?






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Re: [AFMUG] OT Ebay

[James Howard]

No, Paul Stewart beat that by 1 week.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ebay

I think this one may be the earliest?

From: Chuck Macenski
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ebay

Member since: Feb-13-98

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Member since: Dec 23, 2000

Who has the oldest ebay account?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[James Howard]

What are you telling him he should go see?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

There's more than the original trilogy???


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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
[Image resultfor I find your lack of faith disturbing]


Seriously though, the original trilogy is the only good Star Wars material.  
Once George Lucas had complete creative freedom we found out he was a lunatic.

On 11/19/2015 4:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Trekker forever Star wars is for my grandkids
On Nov 19, 2015 12:11 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
Not even Star Wars?!


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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:

My wife and I actually walked out of last one.. Never againnot even on Sat 
or cable will I watch them.   Only movie I want to see is Borne 5
On Nov 19, 2015 12:07 PM, "Patrick Leary" 
> wrote:
Nooo….My middle daughter will be crest-fallen.

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Saw Mockingjay – Pt. 2 last night.

Meh... Yawn...

Pt 1 was so much better.





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[James Howard]

So there are 2 “original” trilogies?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

There's the original trilogy from way back and the next one is coming out 
December 18th!!!


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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:06 PM, James Howard 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
What are you telling him he should go see?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

There's more than the original trilogy???


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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Adam Moffett 
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[Image resultfor I find your lack of faith disturbing]


Seriously though, the original trilogy is the only good Star Wars material.  
Once George Lucas had complete creative freedom we found out he was a lunatic.
On 11/19/2015 4:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Trekker forever Star wars is for my grandkids
On Nov 19, 2015 12:11 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Not even Star Wars?!


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My wife and I actually walked out of last one.. Never againnot even on Sat 
or cable will I watch them.   Only movie I want to see is Borne 5
On Nov 19, 2015 12:07 PM, "Patrick Leary" 
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:00 PM
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Saw Mockingjay – Pt. 2 last night.

Meh... Yawn...

Pt 1 was so much better.





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[James Howard]

Maybe it’s like a ship in a bottle only it’s a little jar inside of a slightly 
bigger jar?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

What's a JarJar? =P


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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
Can someone delete all scenes with Jar-Jar, Ewoks, and especially Hayden 
Christensen?

I’d add Wookies, but I know that would be unpopular.


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

There's more than the original trilogy???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
[Image resultfor I find your lack of faith disturbing]


Seriously though, the original trilogy is the only good Star Wars material.  
Once George Lucas had complete creative freedom we found out he was a lunatic.

On 11/19/2015 4:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Trekker forever Star wars is for my grandkids
On Nov 19, 2015 12:11 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
Not even Star Wars?!


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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:

My wife and I actually walked out of last one.. Never againnot even on Sat 
or cable will I watch them.   Only movie I want to see is Borne 5
On Nov 19, 2015 12:07 PM, "Patrick Leary" 
> wrote:
Nooo….My middle daughter will be crest-fallen.

Patrick Leary, Telrad
727-501-3735

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Saw Mockingjay – Pt. 2 last night.

Meh... Yawn...

Pt 1 was so much better.





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Re: [AFMUG] dmca email

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You’ll get a dmca notice……

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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] dmca email


Link?  :P

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On Nov 12, 2015 12:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
4th of July Booty - Kelsi Monroe (Teen Curves 2015-07-02) is apparently a 
popular title BTW

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

Don't think so, but not sure.

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On Nov 12, 2015 12:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
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swip, thats it

Im trying to understand this better, I dont know about the abuse contact 
whether that is maintained as parent, but to provide poc info for a 
subdelegation does the end user have to accept it and create an ARIN account?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
You can SWIP the block to them, I personally wouldn’t bother for less than a 
/27 but I guess you could do smaller, I don’t know if you can reassign a single 
IP, probably yes.

Whether this will change who gets the DMCA emails depends on how they are 
deciding who to send them to, probably abuse contact?

Google something like swip + reassign.


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To: af@afmug.com
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Isnt there something we can do at arin to have these emails go to the customer 
if we register their ip block or something like that, for the most part the 
only ones we get come from a motel, id rather not even see them,

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Bricks and fire are okay though?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

No poop please

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

I think you guys should go on a hunger strike or peacefully protest at chucks 
house with bricks and fire.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
The decision has been to not have AF at the traditional time.  We are pivoting 
the whole company, changing things a bit, just too much to do to include AF 
this year.  Maybe next year or some other season.  Let’s wait until some 
disruptive technology gets born at Cambium or UBNT.

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

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Wait a minute.  Are you saying if we build you a patio with a brick grill on it 
and cook you some hotdogs that you’ll reconsider?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

As long as hotdogs, onions, jalapenos, catsup, mustard and buns are involved.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

Bricks and fire are okay though?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

No poop please

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

I think you guys should go on a hunger strike or peacefully protest at chucks 
house with bricks and fire.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
The decision has been to not have AF at the traditional time.  We are pivoting 
the whole company, changing things a bit, just too much to do to include AF 
this year.  Maybe next year or some other season.  Let’s wait until some 
disruptive technology gets born at Cambium or UBNT.

From: Cameron Crum<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

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Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

[James Howard]

You have to keep in mind who would be building it….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

I will give it some strong thought.  Depends on the quality of the patio and 
grill.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

Wait a minute.  Are you saying if we build you a patio with a brick grill on it 
and cook you some hotdogs that you’ll reconsider?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

As long as hotdogs, onions, jalapenos, catsup, mustard and buns are involved.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

Bricks and fire are okay though?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

No poop please

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

I think you guys should go on a hunger strike or peacefully protest at chucks 
house with bricks and fire.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
The decision has been to not have AF at the traditional time.  We are pivoting 
the whole company, changing things a bit, just too much to do to include AF 
this year.  Maybe next year or some other season.  Let’s wait until some 
disruptive technology gets born at Cambium or UBNT.

From: Cameron Crum<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

S0... has there been a decision on this for this coming year?



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Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

[James Howard]

You could always discuss burning brown bags full of poop.  That seems to 
definitely be business related today.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

Good idea, we need to discuss business stuff...

From: Cameron Crum<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

I guess Chuck will just have to expect a sales visit from me around the first 
week of February. Please tell me to get lost so I can hit the slopes.

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<cr...@totalhighspeed.net<mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:
+1

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2015, at 13:57, Cameron Crum 
<cc...@wispmon.com<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
Well damn it! How the hell am I supposed to write off my ski trip?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:24 PM, James Howard 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You have to keep in mind who would be building it….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

I will give it some strong thought.  Depends on the quality of the patio and 
grill.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

Wait a minute.  Are you saying if we build you a patio with a brick grill on it 
and cook you some hotdogs that you’ll reconsider?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

As long as hotdogs, onions, jalapenos, catsup, mustard and buns are involved.

From: James Howard<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

Bricks and fire are okay though?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

No poop please

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To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
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I think you guys should go on a hunger strike or peacefully protest at chucks 
house with bricks and fire.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
The decision has been to not have AF at the traditional time.  We are pivoting 
the whole company, changing things a bit, just too much to do to include AF 
this year.  Maybe next year or some other season.  Let’s wait until some 
disruptive technology gets born at Cambium or UBNT.

From: Cameron Crum<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon censoring emails.

[James Howard]

If they’re not real where does light come from?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon censoring emails.

The voices in my head told me the illuminati aren’t real.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon censoring emails.

That won't save you from the illuminati and freemasons, when they come to 
fluoridate your water supply and implant everyone with a microchip for the FEMA 
death camps!

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
It was late, I’ll check my sources next time.  Point taken.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon censoring emails.

Definitely the bilderbergs.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:25 PM, > wrote:
I am pretty sure the tri lateral commission is involved somehow...

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon censoring emails.

oh they very much existed and had been fleshed out in excruciating imaginary 
detail before deus ex was published in 2000. FEMA conspiracies were a stable of 
Art Bell's late night AM radio show from like 1995 to 2000.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 11/4/15 07:12, Patrick Leary wrote:
Exactly. It’s Infowars. Alex Jones is hardly a credible source, unless
one sees boogeymen around every corner and FEMA camps hidden inside
every abandoned Wal-Mart. It’s one step up from aliens hiding in the closet.


Every time I hear "FEMA camps" I just think someone played Deus Ex a lot. Or 
maybe the FEMA nutbars existed before the game and that angle was inspired by 
them.

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Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creatingtheir own network

[James Howard]

Now that is planning ahead!  Better than digging a hole in the ground for a 
shelter.  Wait…. What if somebody shoots them down?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creatingtheir own 
network

One of the founders had a belief in a doomsday event that would take place in 
his lifetime, supposedly he had built an airship of sorts that would lift him 
and his people into the stratosphere when the event took place with enough 
provisions to sustain until such a time they could return and survive in the 
sustainable community.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:21 PM, James Howard 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
They have dirigibles?!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creatingtheir own 
network

Oh ye of little faith, Stelle has its share of disputes, but thats what hapens 
when you start defining whos wife belongs to whom. And dirigibles.
Last I knew they had their own Interweb access, but that was some time ago as 
part of their telco coop.

Its an odd town to drive through, like a subdivision full of stepford wives.

But they do have a yearly sustainable living fair that I guess is pretty 
popular.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
We won’t even relay off one neighbor to another anymore, due to experience with 
people moving or getting into fights with the neighbor, etc.  We’ll only do it 
between relatives and even then you can get issues.  I’m trying to imagine 
doing it on the scale of this network.  People there must either be very laid 
back and neighborly (it is almost Canada), or they really have no other choices 
for Internet.

There’s a town Stelle in Illinois that started as a commune, they have a 
cooperative telephone company, probably Internet too.  But that’s a commune.  
You don’t move to Stelle to have fights with your neighbors.


From: Rory Conaway<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creatingtheir own 
network

This works great until the volunteers start leaving.  We had to take one 
network over where that happened.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creating their own 
network


Their location is on the SE facing edge of Orcas, too close to Mt. Constitution 
and blocked by trees for ptmp links. Much better ptp link view from there to 
Anacortes and towers on hilltops in Skagit county. If you were to stand on top 
of their water tank I bet $5 you will not see the Mt. Constitution tower sites 
due to the shape of the terrain, despite 90+ meter towers on the summit.

Looks like they are doing very short distance ptmp in their 5x5 km square area 
of orcas, as the photos of shielded ubnt sectors on trees illustrate.
On Nov 2, 2015 10:05 AM, "Rick Harnish" 
<rharn...@fibertothefarm.com<mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>> wrote:
Interesting, I guess Stuart Baker and Richard Boucher’s Orcas 
Online<http://orcasonline.com/> doesn’t reach the entire island inhabitants.  
They have been WISPA members for a number of years and attend WISPAPALOOZA 
regularly.  I talked to Stuart this year actually.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
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Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creatingtheir own network

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They have dirigibles?!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creatingtheir own 
network

Oh ye of little faith, Stelle has its share of disputes, but thats what hapens 
when you start defining whos wife belongs to whom. And dirigibles.
Last I knew they had their own Interweb access, but that was some time ago as 
part of their telco coop.

Its an odd town to drive through, like a subdivision full of stepford wives.

But they do have a yearly sustainable living fair that I guess is pretty 
popular.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
We won’t even relay off one neighbor to another anymore, due to experience with 
people moving or getting into fights with the neighbor, etc.  We’ll only do it 
between relatives and even then you can get issues.  I’m trying to imagine 
doing it on the scale of this network.  People there must either be very laid 
back and neighborly (it is almost Canada), or they really have no other choices 
for Internet.

There’s a town Stelle in Illinois that started as a commune, they have a 
cooperative telephone company, probably Internet too.  But that’s a commune.  
You don’t move to Stelle to have fights with your neighbors.


From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creatingtheir own 
network

This works great until the volunteers start leaving.  We had to take one 
network over where that happened.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creating their own 
network


Their location is on the SE facing edge of Orcas, too close to Mt. Constitution 
and blocked by trees for ptmp links. Much better ptp link view from there to 
Anacortes and towers on hilltops in Skagit county. If you were to stand on top 
of their water tank I bet $5 you will not see the Mt. Constitution tower sites 
due to the shape of the terrain, despite 90+ meter towers on the summit.

Looks like they are doing very short distance ptmp in their 5x5 km square area 
of orcas, as the photos of shielded ubnt sectors on trees illustrate.
On Nov 2, 2015 10:05 AM, "Rick Harnish" 
> wrote:
Interesting, I guess Stuart Baker and Richard Boucher’s Orcas 
Online doesn’t reach the entire island inhabitants.  
They have been WISPA members for a number of years and attend WISPAPALOOZA 
regularly.  I talked to Stuart this year actually.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.​
Twitter: @rharnish


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creating their own 
network

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/



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Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[James Howard]

Sounds like they need to unionize.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

my guys would have taken 2 days to assemble, one day to put up the section, a 
half a day to load the gear in the van, which would make it too late to hang 
the gear, theyd get out by noon the next day to hang it, get half done by 4, 
even though we quit at 5, another day to finish installing, and id have to send 
them back the next day because they forgot it needed cables

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
Oh that makes more sense =P


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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:

To add a section.   Yes i did

Jaime Solorza
On Oct 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
You used a gin pole for that?


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Installed 2.4GHz omni with Rocket 2. A Nanobeam AC.  120 Degree sector with M5 
and 45 Degree sector with Rocket ACi moved all sectors to the top...

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Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

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I thought that was the typical union attitude.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

jesus christ are you fucking nuts, could you imagine that attitude with union 
backing?

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:00 PM, James Howard 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Sounds like they need to unionize.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

my guys would have taken 2 days to assemble, one day to put up the section, a 
half a day to load the gear in the van, which would make it too late to hang 
the gear, theyd get out by noon the next day to hang it, get half done by 4, 
even though we quit at 5, another day to finish installing, and id have to send 
them back the next day because they forgot it needed cables

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Oh that makes more sense =P


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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To add a section.   Yes i did

Jaime Solorza
On Oct 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
You used a gin pole for that?


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone not at Wispapalooza?

[James Howard]

Maybe you'd want to "work" all the time since you'd be on the beach so you'd 
get even more done.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone not at Wispapalooza?


I bet I could but I think I'd get a lot less done!
On Oct 14, 2015 12:45 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
Simon! come over! ill bet you can do SW development from the beach!


On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
I'm stuck in sunny Wisconsin, rather be in PR!

On 10/14/2015 11:29 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
just me?



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Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

[James Howard]

And to also be fair, he has Frontier DSL so it actually very well may suck.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

To be fair he did actually call Charter before he built the house, and they 
told him service was available... unlike a lot of people who will just build or 
buy a house out in the middle of nowhere and then be completely shocked when 
cable isn't available. What bothers me here is the fact that he does have DSL - 
and 3/1 really isn't that bad... I have 4m/512k DSL at home (outside of our 
coverage area), and there are very few things that don't work perfectly fine.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Steve 
<li...@wavedirect.org<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Try having a little empathy! Put yourself in his shoes. Imagine you are a 
technically stupid dufus who just spent a wad of money on a house after 
spending ages picking the right property and design and being promised their 
internet would be there only to move in and have crap..  Of course you'd 
complain and try to point blame at others for not doing the research. Also 
could think it was false advertising and trusting the ISP.

You and I would have researched it a little more but the average public will 
not think of such things.  They'll think of the color of their tile floors, and 
countertops before they'll think of internet connection.


- Original Message -
From: "James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:55:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

I can confidently say from past experience with this type of customer that we 
do not want him.

Yes it would be great to get some PR, but this customer will be nothing but a 
problem.  He will constantly complain about anything and everything and will 
jump ship at the very first opportunity that he can switch to something with a 
lower price per month.  Notice he holds up his Charter ad with $29.99 per month 
displayed.  It doesn't matter that he would have to pay $117k to get that price 
(and also pay for 2 other services with a  total bill of $100-250 per month), 
he will complain constantly that the price is higher than $29.99.

It never fails that the ones that beg the loudest and convince you to go out of 
your way for them ALWAYS come back to bite you and are the loudest complainers 
about everything.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

Rise above the douchebaggery and focus on the issue. We want to be the hero. 
Collect the rewards of making WISPs as viable alternatives in these situations. 
It'll grow our industry.

- Original Message -
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To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:36:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

Fuck that guy in the story. Piece of shit fuckbats like him are the problem
with the world, not the only problem, but a big one. Ignorant twat. He need
ballbat to the gonads to help ensure he doesn't breed anymore entitled ass
hats.
On Oct 1, 2015 8:45 AM, "Seth Mattinen" 
<se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>><mailto:se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>%3e>
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> On 10/1/15 6:13 AM, Steve wrote:
>
>> Well the goal here is to get us some good PR as "problem solvers" with
>> the people.
>>
>
>
> Wasn't it also on Ars recently about the guy complaining about lack of
> competition and being stuck with Comcast? Then he gets Sonic to jump
> through all kinds of hoops to install service just so he can turn around to
> use it as leverage to stay with Comcast.
>
> I've had people want me to solve their "problem" of AT taking too long
> by expecting me to go out pocket many thousands of dollars to set them up
> with a DIA microwave as a "trial" for a few months free of charge until
> their AT order comes through.
>
> ~Seth
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Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

[James Howard]

http://www.businessinsider.com/cable-company-charges-man-117000-for-internet-to-extend-network-2015-9

Their additions to the Ars article confirm my suspicion.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 11:10 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

Yep.
Turns out he actually did contact us awhile back. We do have a tower a few 
miles away, but there are some terrain issues that put him just outside our 
coverage.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:06 AM, James Howard 
<ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
And to also be fair, he has Frontier DSL so it actually very well may suck.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

To be fair he did actually call Charter before he built the house, and they 
told him service was available... unlike a lot of people who will just build or 
buy a house out in the middle of nowhere and then be completely shocked when 
cable isn't available. What bothers me here is the fact that he does have DSL - 
and 3/1 really isn't that bad... I have 4m/512k DSL at home (outside of our 
coverage area), and there are very few things that don't work perfectly fine.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Steve 
<li...@wavedirect.org<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Try having a little empathy! Put yourself in his shoes. Imagine you are a 
technically stupid dufus who just spent a wad of money on a house after 
spending ages picking the right property and design and being promised their 
internet would be there only to move in and have crap..  Of course you'd 
complain and try to point blame at others for not doing the research. Also 
could think it was false advertising and trusting the ISP.

You and I would have researched it a little more but the average public will 
not think of such things.  They'll think of the color of their tile floors, and 
countertops before they'll think of internet connection.


- Original Message -
From: "James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:55:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

I can confidently say from past experience with this type of customer that we 
do not want him.

Yes it would be great to get some PR, but this customer will be nothing but a 
problem.  He will constantly complain about anything and everything and will 
jump ship at the very first opportunity that he can switch to something with a 
lower price per month.  Notice he holds up his Charter ad with $29.99 per month 
displayed.  It doesn't matter that he would have to pay $117k to get that price 
(and also pay for 2 other services with a  total bill of $100-250 per month), 
he will complain constantly that the price is higher than $29.99.

It never fails that the ones that beg the loudest and convince you to go out of 
your way for them ALWAYS come back to bite you and are the loudest complainers 
about everything.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

Rise above the douchebaggery and focus on the issue. We want to be the hero. 
Collect the rewards of making WISPs as viable alternatives in these situations. 
It'll grow our industry.

- Original Message -
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>><mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>%3e>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:36:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

Fuck that guy in the story. Piece of shit fuckbats like him are the problem
with the world, not the only problem, but a big one. Ignorant twat. He need
ballbat to the gonads to help ensure he doesn't breed anymore entitled ass
hats.
On Oct 1, 2015 8:45 AM, "Seth Mattinen" 
<se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>><mailto:se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>%3e>
 wrote:

> On 10/1/15 6:13 AM, Steve wrote:
>
>> Well the goal here is to get us some good PR as "problem solvers" with
>> the people.
>>
>
>
> Wasn't it also on Ars recently about the guy complaining about lack of
> competition and being stuck with Comcast? Then he gets Sonic to jump
> through all kinds of hoops to install service just so he can turn around to
> use it as leverage to stay with Comc

Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

[James Howard]

"Wisconsin web developer" leads off that article.  I would bet that he's one of 
the ones you describe as the worst.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 12:18 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

True, the people who really understand why they can't get $29.99 fiber or cable 
usually do appreciate it if they can get anything that actually works and 
doesn't have data caps for a reasonable price.

The worst people are the ones that consider themselves tech people but have 
really have no idea what's involved in actually getting a connection to any 
given place, so they just make assumptions based on what's available where they 
were before or in nearby cities.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Jon Auer 
<j...@tapodi.net<mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:
The funny thing is the truly technically ignorant (or technically clueful, but 
bonafide country folk) that can't get fixed-wireless just use 4G or Satellite 
and don't stream video (buy DirecTV or something) to avoid blowing data caps.

The semi tech people that move out to new build homes in the country with their 
sweet techie wages and want to keep their urban lifestyle of cheap bandwidth 
powering cord cutting tend to have the hard time with it.
You know, the people that don't realized that the FCC's rural broadband price 
target is $60/mo.
Often they get upset because they see the fiber marker posts and decided that 
"they have fiber in their backyard" without realizing that it's longhaul (CO to 
CO, things like that) and the phone company won't crack it for them.

IMO the best hard to serve customers are net eng/ops techs for national/global 
telcos and execs that have had responsibility for telco service ordering and 
delivery, generally director level or higher at a medium to large company or 
institution, they are the best because they know these things and appreciate it 
when you get them Netflix bandwidth without a $25k build cost on a 36mo term.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Steve 
<li...@wavedirect.org<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Try having a little empathy! Put yourself in his shoes. Imagine you are a 
technically stupid dufus who just spent a wad of money on a house after 
spending ages picking the right property and design and being promised their 
internet would be there only to move in and have crap..  Of course you'd 
complain and try to point blame at others for not doing the research. Also 
could think it was false advertising and trusting the ISP.

You and I would have researched it a little more but the average public will 
not think of such things.  They'll think of the color of their tile floors, and 
countertops before they'll think of internet connection.


- Original Message -
From: "James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:55:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

I can confidently say from past experience with this type of customer that we 
do not want him.

Yes it would be great to get some PR, but this customer will be nothing but a 
problem.  He will constantly complain about anything and everything and will 
jump ship at the very first opportunity that he can switch to something with a 
lower price per month.  Notice he holds up his Charter ad with $29.99 per month 
displayed.  It doesn't matter that he would have to pay $117k to get that price 
(and also pay for 2 other services with a  total bill of $100-250 per month), 
he will complain constantly that the price is higher than $29.99.

It never fails that the ones that beg the loudest and convince you to go out of 
your way for them ALWAYS come back to bite you and are the loudest complainers 
about everything.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

Rise above the douchebaggery and focus on the issue. We want to be the hero. 
Collect the rewards of making WISPs as viable alternatives in these situations. 
It'll grow our industry.

- Original Message -
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>><mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>%3e>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:36:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

Fuck that guy in the story. Piece of shit fuckbats like him are the problem
with the world, not the only problem, but a big one. Ignorant twat. He need
ballbat to the gonads to help e

Re: [AFMUG] The first candidate to come out against Net Neutrality

[James Howard]

Stick your head up, get it kicked off!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The first candidate to come out against Net Neutrality

Under penalty of perjury no less...

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The first candidate to come out against Net Neutrality

I really wish he had left my company out of it.  And the regulatory burden on a 
small ISP has nothing to do with not being allowed to charge content providers.

But I do think he is correct this is about the power balance between content 
providers and ISPs, and not really about protecting retail consumers.  Yes, the 
FCC may refer all consumer complaints to the ISPs and force them to respond in 
30 days, but I suspect that’s the extent of it unless some content provider 
cries foul.

Government folks are good at naming their pet projects so that you can’t object 
to them.  If you disagree with the Patriot Act, you are not a patriot.  If you 
find the Open Internet Order a burden, you must be against an Open Internet.  
If you claim there are Trojan soldiers inside the giant horse, you must be 
against horses.


From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] The first candidate to come out against Net Neutrality

To be fair, he lists a lot of regulations but at least Net Neutrality is 
getting some attention.

“The Federal Communications Commission’s Net Neutrality rule classifies all 
Internet Service Providers (ISPs) as “public utilities,” subjecting them to 
antiquated “common carrier” regulation. Rather than enhancing consumer welfare, 
these rules prohibit one group of companies (ISPs) from charging another group 
of companies (content companies) the full cost for using their services. Small 
broadband operators—like KWISP (475 customers in rural Illinois) and Wisper ISP 
(8,000 customers near St. Louis, Mo)—have declared under penalty of perjury 
that the Net Neutrality rule has caused them to cut back on investments to 
upgrade and expand their networks.”


Here is the full text.

https://jeb2016.com/the-regulatory-crisis-in-washington/


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Re: [AFMUG] Contracting an employee

[James Howard]

Since Doug Haas hasn't commented yet, I'd suggest asking directly for his input 
on this question.

I suspect this wouldn't pass the subcontractor tests from the IRS or the State 
though.

It would all depend on how much of this work is anticipated.  If it's a one or 
two time thing, I would just pay the employee something like $40 per hour for 
whatever hours he bills to the customer (assuming we are able to bill them at 
$60 or more).  The reason for the lower rate to the employee would be because 
the employer will be paying state and federal taxes on those wages and the 
employee won't be claiming them as self-employed income so will not have to pay 
taxes.  If it's something that is going to become a regular thing, I would 
negotiate with the employee for either a higher overall wage or a "project" 
based wage where he receives a higher (negotiated) rate based on how many hours 
he bills each pay period.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Contracting an employee

I would fear the IRS and department of labor in your state more than anyone 
else here.  They frown on complex arrangements.

Just resell the special service that this employee does.  Do the bonus.  Keep 
him regular payroll.  No moonlighting policy as a condition of employment.  If 
he needs to work more than 40 hours, OT and more commission/bonus is where he 
gets compensated.  You sell his work product as your product or service.

Unless you are the customer of his special services, like an electrician.  Then 
just have him invoice you and send him a 1099 in addition to his W2.




On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:16 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:

So if you have an employee who offers a service that you do not, but works a 40 
on your clock how would you handle subcontracting his services on your clock? 
Just for easy numbers, say he's a ten dollar employee, but he bills at fifty. 
You need his services during business hours. You need to bill for it.  Aside 
from the obvious separation issues, is this really all that complicated if you 
have an attendance policy this would interfere with?  If he's on your dime as 
an employee, but also billing his contracted rate, say you're ok with the 
double dipping, where does the liability for the service lay? From the 
customers perspective, I assume it's simply on the boss. But at the end of the 
day, how would you handle, or not handle that, concessions to attendance? How 
do you deal with the other employees, or is it any of their concern? As a 
subcontractor, I assume you can make it sort of the contract that 'll work is 
represented as the employer



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Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman

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Of course it's Jaimie. Look at him

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 3:14 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman

They loved him up and turned him into a... horny toad

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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:11 PM
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My alter ego.  Watch out ladies
On Aug 27, 2015 2:08 PM, Jaime Solorza 
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Sprint
On Aug 27, 2015 10:59 AM, Mike Hammett 
af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Sprint's 2.5 GHz is B41, though it looks like B7 is in that same frequency 
space. Who's your carrier?

Sprint's bands are B25 (1900), B26 (850) and B41 (2500).


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As we drove into Amarillo from Borger yesterday afternoon I was using my LTE 
app to check my signal.  I needed to upload some readings.   It told me I was 
connected in some band 7 or something like that in the 2490 to 2695Mhz range 
off a Sprint tower.  Normally my LTE is in the 1.9Ghz band.I didn't know 
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Re: [AFMUG] Purewave 365

[James Howard]

Gotcha!  They don’t like expensive roofs that look nice, just expensive roofs 
that don’t leak.  ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Purewave 365


Ones that don't leak at any rate.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015, 1:27 PM James Howard 
ja...@litewire.netmailto:ja...@litewire.net wrote:
So you’re telling us that aside from being obsessive they also like REALLY 
expensive roofs?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:59 AM

To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Purewave 365


My building is about 6000 sqft and five years ago it cost about $90k to put 
mine on.

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Customers with that type of roof are often obsessive.


That's putting it far too nicely.

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Re: [AFMUG] Purewave 365

[James Howard]

So you're telling us that aside from being obsessive they also like REALLY 
expensive roofs?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Purewave 365


My building is about 6000 sqft and five years ago it cost about $90k to put 
mine on.

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Customers with that type of roof are often obsessive.


That's putting it far too nicely.

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Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

[James Howard]

It might have worked to tell them that if you hadn’t just told everyone that 
it’s the employee restroom.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

It is 20 feet off the ground. I spent my youth up poles every day stringing
wire etc.
I am as comfortable on the top of a pole like that as I am at the kitchen
table.

I will tell OSHA that I own the pole, the real estate and to go buzz off...
(I think that would work)

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 7:58 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

That pole is really only about 4 ft off the ground. It's just the cameras
perspective that makes it look like it's taller. Or at least that is what
you tell OSHA when they ask.

--
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Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 11:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

Where are the osha-mandated straps? And hardhat probably. Don't forget
the two on the ground supervisors each ready to rescue you at a moment's
notice. Or at least look at each other with a what do we do now? look.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e 
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 *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com%3e
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:00 PM
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 I like how you custom made a seat for the 30 seconds you were up on the
 pole!

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 Typically we are at Wispapalloza. Frequently sharing a gooth with
 Last Mile Gear/Cascade Networks.

 Jason Petrillo is our booth babe. Trying to get him into a bikini this
 year!!!

 And of course, AnimalFarm is THE premier show for all wispdom.
 See www.amfug.comhttp://www.amfug.com

 We don’t have next years details up there yet.

 *From:* Erich Kaiser 
 er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com%3e
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 6:53 PM
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 going to WISPAPoolza or?


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 Finally got the catalog finished. Forgot to ask: Do you
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 tower mounting product to allow you to mount almost anything to any
 tower
 or pole.

 And we have a* brand new, tree consuming, oil industry ink using real
 old-fashioned paper catalog coming out too. *

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Re: [AFMUG] A creative use for UBNT gear

[James Howard]

Maybe the primary purpose is to get the doors kicked in at the Starbucks.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A creative use for UBNT gear

Its bound to get called in as a bomb.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:22 PM, James Howard 
ja...@litewire.netmailto:ja...@litewire.net wrote:
It’s bound to work because nobody at the public library or Starbucks would ever 
pay any attention to these things plugged in “in a dark corner” and left 
there…..

[DSCN0363]


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Subject: [AFMUG] A creative use for UBNT gear

Well maybe not that creative…

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/online-anonymity-box-puts-mile-away-ip-address/

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Re: [AFMUG] A creative use for UBNT gear

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It's bound to work because nobody at the public library or Starbucks would ever 
pay any attention to these things plugged in in a dark corner and left 
there.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Guerilla Marketing

[James Howard]

But now the marketing department gets the yacht?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Guerilla Marketing

That “was” the plan...

From: Adam Moffettmailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:26 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Guerilla Marketing

I thought you would pay the marketing department to do this while you hang out 
on the yacht.

On 6/25/2015 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yeah, I am too lazy for that kind of effort...

From: Adam Moffettmailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Guerilla Marketing

When I think of guerilla marketing I think of clever product placement that 
gets people thinking about a product without looking like advertising.

One thing I've heard of is joining an online community where you know the 
target market hangs out.  You either use two accounts or you do it with a 
partner.  You start a conversation about a problem, and then your product is 
mentioned as a solution.  You could mention it alongside other well known 
products to try to equate yours with theirs in the customer's mind.

ChuckOneEleventyOne: Aw geez I keep losing equipment to nearby lightning 
strikes.

Chuckster: I like Transtector LPU's, but there's this upstart guy named Chuck 
with disruptive pricing on ethernet Surge Suppressors.

ChuckOneEleventyOne: Hmm...I've heard of Transtector.  Is this Chuck guy's 
product just as good?

Chuckster: Probably

ChuckOneEleventyOne: Is Chuck easy to purchase from, and have good support?

Chuckster: I think so.

Chuckinator: I met Chuck once, and he's a swell guy.  I would buy from him 
before a faceless machine like Transtector!

As far as I understood, that's guerilla marketing.
On 6/25/2015 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yeah, but they steal you blind and split with their boyfriend once they get 
their green card

From: Lewis Bergmanmailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:10 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Guerilla Marketing

https://www.google.com/search?q=cute+ukrainian+womenespv=2biw=1366bih=667tbm=ischtbo=usource=univsa=Xei=gP2LVdyIOYvLsAXX2ICoCwved=0CDUQsAQ
I agree

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
But the Ukrainian kid is sooo cute!

From: That One Guy /sarcasmmailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Guerilla Marketing

Chuck, you really need to learn a little more about spam. You asked if it would 
offend. Rule # 1 of spam is f%k the targets feelings.

What you should be doing is harvesting from all these lists and selling the 
contact info to some ukranian kid

I suppose next your going to tell us when we order stuff from you you ARENT 
selling our contact info to one group and our financial info to another.

Thats not how this works, thats not how any of this works.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Mail Chimp did not work for my message but it seems to work just fine for Now I 
Know's newsletter on a daily basis.


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On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I would be worried that gmail would have Constant Contact at the top of their 
blacklist.

From: Paul McCallmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:30 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Guerilla Marketing

Constant contact is OK… we use it… however, certain firewall appliances / spam 
software blatantly block anything from their mail servers.  About 6% on our 
last CC mailing

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Guerilla Marketing

I'd use constant contact.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I spend some time each day trying to figure out how to get my products marketed.
Have a nice new shiny paper catalog just about done and will be mailing it to 
those interested.

My question is -

Is spam dead?  I have several nice lists of people (all of you included).  If I 
sent a brief note to several thousand people saying something like:

Dear (Spam Target):

Thanks for attending Animal Farm.Wispapalloza/ etc etc.  I have a new catalog 
(available here url pdf etc).

Would you like to receive a real one in the mail?

With all my best wishes (over the top complementary closing etc).

Chuck

Would that offend?
Would that get scraped off by gmail etc?
Is there a 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

[James Howard]

We can't call you Tecate?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz


I do.  Call me anything except late for supper or Tecate.

Jaime Solorza
On Jun 11, 2015 12:32 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
He's from Arkansas.  He has thick skin.  As should you, Texan!!!


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Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Lewis Bergman 
lewis.berg...@gmail.commailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

Rude. I am going to turn you in to the offense guard and seek charges as my 
heart was injured just thinking how badly embarrassed your comments made David.
On Jun 11, 2015 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
3.65.  Have you been asleep since Wispamerica?!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:43 AM, David 
dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
What Band is the Telrad on?

On 06/10/2015 06:38 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
This come from a third party. Zirkel sent this to ISP Supplies.
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From: Steve Discher sdisc...@ispsupplies.commailto:sdisc...@ispsupplies.com
Date: Jun 10, 2015 6:32 PM
Subject: [Telrad] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz
To: tel...@wispa.orgmailto:tel...@wispa.org 
tel...@wispa.orgmailto:tel...@wispa.org
Cc:

I received this testimonial from a customer today via text message and thought 
it worth sharing. I am attaching a screenshot so everyone knows it is authentic.

This is from Sean Heskett with Zirkel Wireless in Steamboat Springs Colorado.





Steve Discher

sdisc...@ispsupplies.commailto:sdisc...@ispsupplies.com

ISP Supplies Office: (855) 947-7776 / Fax: (866) 585-2175
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

[James Howard]

That’s not late for supper so shouldn’t be a problem.

I enjoy your Tecate pictures Jaime.  Not a real beer expert myself but I’ve 
been known to choose Tecate over other options.  Our local Costco sometimes 
carries it so the occasional case makes its way  home.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

Can we call you Tater Salad?

From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:10 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

It can be taken either way.  It's funnier the way James took it =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

So sorry senor...me English is sew good.  I mean it to said.  Dont call me late 
for Tecate time.

Jaime Solorza
On Jun 11, 2015 12:58 PM, James Howard 
ja...@litewire.netmailto:ja...@litewire.net wrote:
We can’t call you Tecate?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz


I do.  Call me anything except late for supper or Tecate.

Jaime Solorza
On Jun 11, 2015 12:32 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
He's from Arkansas.  He has thick skin.  As should you, Texan!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Lewis Bergman 
lewis.berg...@gmail.commailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

Rude. I am going to turn you in to the offense guard and seek charges as my 
heart was injured just thinking how badly embarrassed your comments made David.
On Jun 11, 2015 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
3.65.  Have you been asleep since Wispamerica?!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:43 AM, David 
dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
What Band is the Telrad on?
On 06/10/2015 06:38 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
This come from a third party. Zirkel sent this to ISP Supplies.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Steve Discher mailto:sdisc...@ispsupplies.com
Date: Jun 10, 2015 6:32 PM
Subject: [Telrad] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz
To: mailto:tel...@wispa.org mailto:tel...@wispa.org
Cc:
I received this testimonial from a customer today via text message and thought 
it worth sharing. I am attaching a screenshot so everyone knows it is authentic.

This is from Sean Heskett with Zirkel Wireless in Steamboat Springs Colorado.





Steve Discher

sdisc...@ispsupplies.commailto:sdisc...@ispsupplies.com

ISP Supplies Office: (855) 947-7776tel:%28855%29%20947-7776 / Fax: (866) 
585-2175tel:%28866%29%20585-2175
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

[James Howard]

Or the moving company Two Men and a Truck.  See their trucks on the road every 
so often.  Web address – www.twomen.comhttp://www.twomen.com

Am I the only one that reads that as T women?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

Eats shoots and leaves.

Or like the STARBUCKS vans that say SUCKS when the sliding door is open.

From: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

Couple of hyphens could have been helpful:
Call me anything,  except late for supper-or-Tecate.

Reminds me of a sign I saw on a protester the other day:
No!
More Rape.


From: Ken Hohhofmailto:af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

Can we call you Tater Salad?

From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:10 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

It can be taken either way.  It's funnier the way James took it =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

So sorry senor...me English is sew good.  I mean it to said.  Dont call me late 
for Tecate time.

Jaime Solorza
On Jun 11, 2015 12:58 PM, James Howard 
ja...@litewire.netmailto:ja...@litewire.net wrote:
We can’t call you Tecate?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz


I do.  Call me anything except late for supper or Tecate.

Jaime Solorza
On Jun 11, 2015 12:32 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
He's from Arkansas.  He has thick skin.  As should you, Texan!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Lewis Bergman 
lewis.berg...@gmail.commailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

Rude. I am going to turn you in to the offense guard and seek charges as my 
heart was injured just thinking how badly embarrassed your comments made David.
On Jun 11, 2015 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
3.65.  Have you been asleep since Wispamerica?!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:43 AM, David 
dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
What Band is the Telrad on?
On 06/10/2015 06:38 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
This come from a third party. Zirkel sent this to ISP Supplies.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Steve Discher mailto:sdisc...@ispsupplies.com
Date: Jun 10, 2015 6:32 PM
Subject: [Telrad] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz
To: mailto:tel...@wispa.org mailto:tel...@wispa.org
Cc:
I received this testimonial from a customer today via text message and thought 
it worth sharing. I am attaching a screenshot so everyone knows it is authentic.

This is from Sean Heskett with Zirkel Wireless in Steamboat Springs Colorado.





Steve Discher

sdisc...@ispsupplies.commailto:sdisc...@ispsupplies.com

ISP Supplies Office: (855) 947-7776tel:%28855%29%20947-7776 / Fax: (866) 
585-2175tel:%28866%29%20585-2175
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

[James Howard]

Don’t remember them.  When have we ever wandered off topic on this list?  This 
is an outrage!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

OK, getting pretty far off topic, but do you remember seeing G.O.D. trucks on 
the highway?
(Guaranteed Overnight Delivery)

From: James Howardmailto:ja...@litewire.net
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:44 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

Or the moving company Two Men and a Truck.  See their trucks on the road every 
so often.  Web address – www.twomen.comhttp://www.twomen.com

Am I the only one that reads that as T women?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

Eats shoots and leaves.

Or like the STARBUCKS vans that say SUCKS when the sliding door is open.

From: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

Couple of hyphens could have been helpful:
Call me anything,  except late for supper-or-Tecate.

Reminds me of a sign I saw on a protester the other day:
No!
More Rape.


From: Ken Hohhofmailto:af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

Can we call you Tater Salad?

From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:10 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz

It can be taken either way.  It's funnier the way James took it =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

So sorry senor...me English is sew good.  I mean it to said.  Dont call me late 
for Tecate time.

Jaime Solorza
On Jun 11, 2015 12:58 PM, James Howard 
ja...@litewire.netmailto:ja...@litewire.net wrote:
We can’t call you Tecate?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz


I do.  Call me anything except late for supper or Tecate.

Jaime Solorza
On Jun 11, 2015 12:32 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
He's from Arkansas.  He has thick skin.  As should you, Texan!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Lewis Bergman 
lewis.berg...@gmail.commailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

Rude. I am going to turn you in to the offense guard and seek charges as my 
heart was injured just thinking how badly embarrassed your comments made David.
On Jun 11, 2015 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
3.65.  Have you been asleep since Wispamerica?!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:43 AM, David 
dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
What Band is the Telrad on?
On 06/10/2015 06:38 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
This come from a third party. Zirkel sent this to ISP Supplies.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Steve Discher mailto:sdisc...@ispsupplies.com
Date: Jun 10, 2015 6:32 PM
Subject: [Telrad] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz
To: mailto:tel...@wispa.org mailto:tel...@wispa.org
Cc:
I received this testimonial from a customer today via text message and thought 
it worth sharing. I am attaching a screenshot so everyone knows it is authentic.

This is from Sean Heskett with Zirkel Wireless in Steamboat Springs Colorado.





Steve Discher

sdisc...@ispsupplies.commailto:sdisc...@ispsupplies.com

ISP Supplies Office: (855) 947-7776tel:%28855%29%20947-7776 / Fax: (866) 
585-2175tel:%28866%29%20585-2175
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Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

[James Howard]

Interesting.  We’ve used Vitelity ourselves for probably 7 years now but 
primarily as a backup SIP trunk provider.  The quality of the calls has never 
been as good as Flowroute for us but as a backup it’s worked fine.  We switched 
to Flowroute because of intermittent issues we were seeing with Vitelity.  I 
have read that they are better in some parts of the country than others though 
because of where/how they route their traffic.  I think the same thing goes for 
any of the smaller providers though.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question


Oh, and I use vitelity's fax service which is very good.   Inbound faxes come 
to my email, outbound I just upload a pdf to vitelity. I think they also have 
some software to make this easier on a pc.   For paper faxing, I just use wand 
scanner and softi scan software to make a pdf.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015, 9:45 AM James Howard 
ja...@litewire.netmailto:ja...@litewire.net wrote:
A friend who used to be a customer back in our IT consulting days asked me for 
a recommendation for hosted PBX.  They are outside of our service area and have 
Charter Business internet.  He isn’t using Charter’s phone service because they 
told him that they couldn’t do DID to each of the phones in the office.  Told 
him they’d have to have all calls coming to the front desk and distributed from 
there.  They have a lot of calls directed to their main number that goes to the 
reception desk but then distribute them to the extensions.  They have 8 DID 
numbers and probably 8 extensions.  He said they bought Fortinet phones are 
using those with Vitelity’s hosted PBX service.  He asked me for a 
recommendation of a better provider than Vitelity.  They are constantly hearing 
that people are getting “the number you have dialed is no longer in service” 
when trying to call them.  We do our own in house PBX but don’t resell so I’m 
not familiar with who the better hosted PBX providers are.  He doesn’t have 
anyone onsite who can manage it, needs the provider to set everything up for 
him.  He also has a fax line still but was told by Vitelity that they couldn’t 
provide that for him.  He said he’ll stick with that through the phone company 
if he has to but would be willing to try it through VoIP as long as they can 
connect it to their fax machine.  I think they’ve switched to mostly scan/email 
of documents but are an insurance agency and still feel they need the fax 
ability.

So, who’s a good provider to point him to that will be better quality than 
Vitelity?  I heard a lot of call quality issues when I was talking to him and 
he’d like to eliminate some of that if he could.

Thanks,
James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.


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Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[James Howard]

http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/mike-schoby/2007/09/remote-control-hunting

Not sure if it got off the ground.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of joseph marsh
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security


Remote control rifle  I know. I'm dreaming
On Jun 10, 2015 2:10 PM, wrote:

Some one needs to invent a automatic rifle  there is a field there and kill 
deer from the office. Lol
On Jun 10, 2015 2:06 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com 
wrote:
There are also porch lights with built in motion sensors, if there’s a shelter 
you could put on on the outside, might be nice to have an automatic light 
anyway.


From: That One Guy /sarcasmmailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

Fence, barbed wire, sign, needless to say.

Locked climb guard on the tower

Prominent cameras, real or fake (we put big ones up around our building, have 
had 2 vandalisms in a year compared to weekly prior)

DVR surveillance systems are dirt cheap (as with anything you get what you par 
for) but you can get cheap 16 channel with 8 cameras on newegg for under 500 
bucks, if you want action, get one with relay outputs, have motion trigger 
whatever you want, from flood lights to claymore detonation.

Snapshot on motion is pretty much standard on any system now



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dmburg...@linktechs.netmailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:
Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.

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314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion activated 
lighting … slows them down at least ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy that 
already did the damage.

I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated lights 
if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal things for the 
base of the tower?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR will do 
that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of racoons

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's highly 
unlikely they'll ever try again :P

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone climbs 
without permission.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh 
bwireless...@gmail.commailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that will 
alert us if someone climbs without permission?





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[AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

[James Howard]

A friend who used to be a customer back in our IT consulting days asked me for 
a recommendation for hosted PBX.  They are outside of our service area and have 
Charter Business internet.  He isn't using Charter's phone service because they 
told him that they couldn't do DID to each of the phones in the office.  Told 
him they'd have to have all calls coming to the front desk and distributed from 
there.  They have a lot of calls directed to their main number that goes to the 
reception desk but then distribute them to the extensions.  They have 8 DID 
numbers and probably 8 extensions.  He said they bought Fortinet phones are 
using those with Vitelity's hosted PBX service.  He asked me for a 
recommendation of a better provider than Vitelity.  They are constantly hearing 
that people are getting the number you have dialed is no longer in service 
when trying to call them.  We do our own in house PBX but don't resell so I'm 
not familiar with who the better hosted PBX providers are.  He doesn't have 
anyone onsite who can manage it, needs the provider to set everything up for 
him.  He also has a fax line still but was told by Vitelity that they couldn't 
provide that for him.  He said he'll stick with that through the phone company 
if he has to but would be willing to try it through VoIP as long as they can 
connect it to their fax machine.  I think they've switched to mostly scan/email 
of documents but are an insurance agency and still feel they need the fax 
ability.

So, who's a good provider to point him to that will be better quality than 
Vitelity?  I heard a lot of call quality issues when I was talking to him and 
he'd like to eliminate some of that if he could.

Thanks,
James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

[James Howard]

Thanks for the tips.  Faisal and I have been in touch.  I've put him in contact 
with my friend.  Hopefully that will work out for both sides.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Haas
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 3:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

O.o
We knew their president just up resigned for no apparent reason - or the reason 
has not been shared with us.
I'll pass that tidbit up the chain..


Also, I believe Faisal  (here on the list) has a hosted solution as well.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

They're local here and I recently heard they were about to implode.
Bunch of fines pending also supposedly.

It might all be rumor but you may want to poke around a bit before you put all 
your eggs in that basket.
___
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On Jun 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Robert Haas 
rob-li...@bpsnetworks.commailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com wrote:
We are just getting started with ANPI and aren't ready to resell just yet. He 
could go directly to them though:

https://www.anpi.com/business/hosted-communications/vip-packages/

The phones have been fine (polycom), the fax ATA's have been a pain - BUT that 
may have been a problem with the cambium epmp firmware that should have been 
resolved with their latest firmware release.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX question

A friend who used to be a customer back in our IT consulting days asked me for 
a recommendation for hosted PBX.  They are outside of our service area and have 
Charter Business internet.  He isn't using Charter's phone service because they 
told him that they couldn't do DID to each of the phones in the office.  Told 
him they'd have to have all calls coming to the front desk and distributed from 
there.  They have a lot of calls directed to their main number that goes to the 
reception desk but then distribute them to the extensions.  They have 8 DID 
numbers and probably 8 extensions.  He said they bought Fortinet phones are 
using those with Vitelity's hosted PBX service.  He asked me for a 
recommendation of a better provider than Vitelity.  They are constantly hearing 
that people are getting the number you have dialed is no longer in service 
when trying to call them.  We do our own in house PBX but don't resell so I'm 
not familiar with who the better hosted PBX providers are.  He doesn't have 
anyone onsite who can manage it, needs the provider to set everything up for 
him.  He also has a fax line still but was told by Vitelity that they couldn't 
provide that for him.  He said he'll stick with that through the phone company 
if he has to but would be willing to try it through VoIP as long as they can 
connect it to their fax machine.  I think they've switched to mostly scan/email 
of documents but are an insurance agency and still feel they need the fax 
ability.

So, who's a good provider to point him to that will be better quality than 
Vitelity?  I heard a lot of call quality issues when I was talking to him and 
he'd like to eliminate some of that if he could.

Thanks,
James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.


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Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[James Howard]

Are you drawing straws to see who gets the moped?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73 mile link, 
underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps with 1ns latency. The link 
was actually running so fast we had to shut it down because it created a data 
vacuum on one end of the link ans pulled dour data center through it. Now we 
have to hire a trucking company to move our data center 73 miles back to its 
original location. We would have just initiated a data transfer back, but the 
vaccuum pulled all our power strips through the link to the remote site so we 
lost power to our radio on that end. Unfortunately, Pat, the night guy was 
standing next to the radio just prior to the power loss and only part of him 
made it to the other end. Pat will be dearly missed by the company for his 
dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he left behind 32 cats and 
a moped.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore 
ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
Hi Nate -

The contest will be ongoing.  We are giving away a pair of radios each week.  
There are many that have received so we are doing this to give feedback to 
those that are receiving (related to distances, throughput, applications, 
etc...).

Which distributor do you have order in with?  I will let you know when they 
should be receiving.  More are being received each week.

Regards,
Ben

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke 
n...@blastcomm.commailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote:
I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and win a 
pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story !! IF I COULD GET RADIOS 
!!

Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a 
standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when they'll 
be getting more radios to fill it.

Nate




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Re: [AFMUG] Bad day?

[James Howard]

I'm guessing the crew that pulled it out isn't having the best day either.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:13 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Bad day?

Having a bad day? You could be the owner of that conduit.


-
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Re: [AFMUG] Real Paper Catalog via Snail Mail

[James Howard]

Pretty much.  You just either had to go in to the store to place your order or 
call it in.  Sears used to have lifetime warranty on lots of stuff that they 
sold too (besides Craftsman tools).  I remember my parents buying “toughskin” 
jeans for us and being able to get them replaced if they got holes in the knees.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real Paper Catalog via Snail Mail

So Sears was Amazon before Amazon, basically?


Josh Reynolds

CIO, SPITwSPOTS

www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 05/05/2015 12:34 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
You could get ANYTHING from Sears. My grandfather ordered queen bees and 
started 4 hives.

Cameron

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:
Agreed.  I remember folding over page after page on my Christmas list.
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___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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On May 5, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Sears and Ward Xmas books were like manna from heaven.

From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real Paper Catalog via Snail Mail


History class...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 5, 2015 2:17 PM, Jason McKemie 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
wrote:
Are you even old enough to remember the Sears catalog (the big book)? I think I 
was about 12 when it was discontinued.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2015, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Sears  Roebuck!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
JC Whiteney


From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:37 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real Paper Catalog via Snail Mail

I miss my Radio Shack catalogs.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:34 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Cc: Teri Nix
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real Paper Catalog via Snail Mail

I always lose mine from the conventions, but it's really nice to look through.  
Please send a hard copy to my address below:


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Hello folks,

I am working hard to make a real old fashioned paper catalog of our products.  
We have some new stuff.
And we are going to actually MAIL it to people.  I know, hard to believe.  
Appealing to the steampunk crowd I think.

In any event, if you would like a copy, please send your mailing address to 
t...@wbmfg.commailto:t...@wbmfg.com.  She is cc’d above.








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Re: [AFMUG] VoIP

[James Howard]

Will you sell SIP trunks to anyone?  What do you charge for them?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP

I don’t know about most, but we will.

From: Lewis Bergmanmailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP

I had no idea that most phone companies would sell you a SIP trunk. nifty.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
You call up you local telephone company and ask for a sip trunk...

-Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP


I expect there to be some cost, but these companies that want a fortune for a 
small amount of minutes are ridiculous. I'm okay with paying some amount for 
unlimited, but not a small amount per minute.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Ken Hohhof 
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

If you want to place calls to/from the PSTN and not pay a dime, you're dreaming.

-Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP

I've played a bit with asterisk in the past along with similar products. I'm 
not really all that familiar with VoIP solutions or configuration, but if like 
to be. I want to start playing around with something to really familiarize 
myself with it.

The problem is that all I've seen is solutions where I'd have to pay for my SIP 
trunk or for some kind of service. Is it possible to get a fully functional 
VoIP solution using basic hardware for nothing? I can host my own SIP trunk I'm 
sure, but how do I get my phones to route to other phones and my number coming 
in to route to my phone system? Am I in a dream world, or is this actually 
possible?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting

[James Howard]

That's what minions are for!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting

Yeah, well... never had to do much myself personally.

From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting

Welcome to 1999?  :-p


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:26:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting
Yeah, I finally got it figured out.  I think if you dial into the IP it will 
only show the master account.  But if you hit it via URL it sorts them out 
correctly.

From: Bill Princemailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:53 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting

We have that through Powweb.� We have about six web sites on one IP 
address.� They are all in subdirectories, and you put a special file in the 
root directory to redirect everything.

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On 3/25/2015 12:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I feel a bit snookered.� I purchased hosting from GoDaddy this morning, a 
more expensive package.� It said unlimited websites.�
�
That does not mean, it turns out, to be unlimited DNS to individual IPs.� Not 
wanting a main page were you select the site you want to go to.� I was 
wanting to have DNS direct the person to the webpage for a discrete company and 
I wanted to do that for as many domains as I own.�
�
But it appears, unless I have not yet figured it out, that I get one IP for one 
main domain.� It allows sub domains but it does not appear to be able to make 
it go seamless directly to the sub domains.� This is certainly a weak point 
for me.� I can hand hack HTML if� you point me to the correct directory on 
the right server but that is about it.



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Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

[James Howard]

Apparently we’re stingy.  We usually do $1 per foot in free service to their 
buildings. Depends a lot on what you think the take rate might be though.   
Sounds like they have Centurylink fiber in the village/city.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

We do a lot of that.  Depends on how bad we want the tower and what we think it 
will do for our customer take in the area but we try to stay around 1.00 per 
foot plus free internet for 2-3 city buildings

Craig



From: Erich Kaiser 
er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:02:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some 
of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
[https://docs.google.com/a/northcentraltower.com/uc?id=0B12mNmVrr3-PbU1UMFk0OUFhOGsexport=download]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart 
t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:

Erich
I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the 
Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They 
only have one water tower.

Tim

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
Importance: Low

$200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water 
towers if they have multiple.


Erich Kaiser
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Guys
This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats 
your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village 
is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to 
rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is 
because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber 
optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually”
Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to 
them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone 
company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter 
from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They 
also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will 
be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some 
tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them.

So I like you guys input into this.

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Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

[James Howard]

What is the population of the village?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

Erich
I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the 
Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They 
only have one water tower.

Tim

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
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$200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water 
towers if they have multiple.


Erich Kaiser
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Cell: 630-777-9291
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart 
t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
Guys
This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats 
your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village 
is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to 
rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is 
because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber 
optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually”
Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to 
them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone 
company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter 
from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They 
also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will 
be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some 
tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them.

So I like you guys input into this.

Tim


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Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

[James Howard]

Do you have competition there?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

The population is only “2,687”

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:01 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

What is the population of the village?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

Erich
I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the 
Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They 
only have one water tower.

Tim

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
Importance: Low

$200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water 
towers if they have multiple.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
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Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart 
t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
Guys
This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats 
your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village 
is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to 
rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is 
because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber 
optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually”
Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to 
them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone 
company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter 
from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They 
also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will 
be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some 
tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them.

So I like you guys input into this.

Tim


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Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

[James Howard]

The trouble is that having other contracts doesn’t help.  We have one that 
we’re giving a $49 connection to for use of their tower (80’ tower but it’s 
very wooded) and paying them until they allow us to put the connection in at 
their office.  We’re negotiating with another nearby village who are acting 
something like the one you’re dealing with.  We just read the minutes from 
their last meeting and they claimed that they talked to the other village and 
were told that we’re paying them $299 per month.  There’s quite a bit of 
difference between $49 per month and $299 per month…….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

Heck
I tried to get onto an other village water tower and they wanted like 800+ per 
month because they used to having cell phone company on there water tower and 
they are telling me same thing as this village is telling me “doubt if the 
village council be interested in renting space for that price per month ” I 
don’t know what these villages managers are trying get at here but its making 
me mad.  I don’t know what trick is getting onto these water towers but these 
are key locations for my wisp get onto. I wish I had more contracts to have an 
stand on I only got maybe 3 contracts from other local villages around me who 
have other wisp there water towers.

Tim

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:09 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
Importance: Low

Apparently we’re stingy.  We usually do $1 per foot in free service to their 
buildings. Depends a lot on what you think the take rate might be though.   
Sounds like they have Centurylink fiber in the village/city.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

We do a lot of that.  Depends on how bad we want the tower and what we think it 
will do for our customer take in the area but we try to stay around 1.00 per 
foot plus free internet for 2-3 city buildings

Craig



From: Erich Kaiser 
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To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:02:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some 
of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m.


Erich Kaiser
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Cell: 630-777-9291
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart 
t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
Erich
I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the 
Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They 
only have one water tower.

Tim

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower
Importance: Low

$200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water 
towers if they have multiple.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804tel:630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291tel:630-777-9291
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart 
t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
Guys
This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats 
your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village 
is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to 
rent space on there water tower and where they are getting this quote is 
because centurylink is paying them 15k per year for “ renting a small fiber 
optic cable facility to Century Link for $8000 annually”
Which I feel that quote is unfair for an small wisp like me. I have explain to 
them that I am an small WISP and I am not like centurylink or any telephone 
company. Then they turn around emailed me again saying they just got an letter 
from an cell phone company wanting to rent space on there water tower. They 
also told me they are getting ready to install water smart meter and they will 
be placing antenna’s on there. Sounds like to me the village is trying some 
tricky crap to make me offer more money then what I offered to them.

So I like you guys input into this.

Tim




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