Re: [AFMUG] List updates
I had one customer puzzled by the concept that we did “maintenance” on mailservers. You mean like changing the oil? Do you do it every year at the same time? From: Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List updates Tuesdays are best J Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List updates Rule 1: Don’t change anything major on Friday, unless you like working Saturday. And Sunday. Rule 2: Don’t change anything major on Monday. It’s Monday. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] List updates Guys, We had a glitch switching over to “normal headers” with Amazon. We are putting it back the way it was while we work through this with Amazon. We will provide updates as we work through it. Thank you for your patience Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?
Your original post had something about a thermal-magnetic disconnect, are you wanting to do that also? Maybe the best thing would be to wall mount a small non metallic enclosure with a little piece of DIN rail inside, and put a power supply and DC circuit breaker on the DIN rail, maybe an AC breaker as well. Run an AC cord out one gland, and your DC wiring out another gland. Put a warning sticker on the box. I’m thinking this has the best chance of satisfying inspectors. Although if it’s going in a room with restricted access, like a server room, you should get a little more leeway. Still, if this is Kane county, they are so anal. Plus if it’s a school or government building, maybe more rules. The other thing that comes to mind is, if the radio manufacturer shipped you POE style supplies, is there an adapter that would let you use those? From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Was trying to have as little customization as I could get because it's going to a customer that paid $10k for a licensed link. Would a quick disconnect terminal pass code\insurance muster? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Why not just use the one from Baltic and crimp some quick disconnect terminals on the wires? Trango used to sell a desktop power supply like you describe, but they replaced it with this which is just an open frame power supply in a box: http://support.trangosys.com/entries/24647323-Datasheet-48-Volt-Wall-Mount-Power-Supply-PSUPPLY-WM-48-L- From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? It seems like what I'm looking for doesn't exist. I'm looking for something that looks like a laptop power supply like this http://www.balticnetworks.com/tycon-power-48v-2-5a-120w-desktop-power-supply.html but with screw terminals for the DC. I'd have no problem chopping the end off of the above or using one of those open\DIN power supplies, but chopping off the AC cord at home or a tower site, but this is going at a customer's location. I had assumed the manufacturer was sending a power supply like what I wanted when I ordered, but that wasn't the case. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:43:33 PM Subject: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps. Not expected to have any other radios on site or would at least be independent. No batteries or anything. = During the final installation, protect the ODU by a magneto-thermal switch (not supplied with the equipment), whose characteristics must comply with the laws in force in one’s country. The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least 48Vdc @1.5A with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve. = I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher amperage capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?
I have used Mean Well HRP-100-48 for that application, in outdoor NEMA boxes, with good results. I like to spec the power a little over what is actually needed, but there is a 75 watt version as well. It is super reliable model with 105*C capacitors and no fans, might be overkill for an indoor application, but they don’t cost that much more. http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-hrp-100-power-supply.html http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-hrp-75-power-supply.html There are also lots of DIN rail options, if you don’t need super wide temperature range, maybe something like this: http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-mdr-100-power-supply.html From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:43 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps. Not expected to have any other radios on site or would at least be independent. No batteries or anything. = During the final installation, protect the ODU by a magneto-thermal switch (not supplied with the equipment), whose characteristics must comply with the laws in force in one’s country. The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least 48Vdc @1.5A with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve. = I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher amperage capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
But you get popcorn. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review That’s an even better deal! From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review https://www.moviepass.com/ I saw an article that AMC was taking it. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Check around where you live. The Salt Lake Film Society screens stuff you don’t get from the major distribution companies. Many very popular movies start in these independent venues. And the best movies I have seen over the past year were screened only there. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review How do we get such pass ? Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: $300/year for one or $500 for two. If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money. Sometimes I see two a week. Free popcorn is included. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make more sense. Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wild Meh ++ OK, but I have a season pass at the theater. I would not recommend paying full fare.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
https://www.moviepass.com/ I saw an article that AMC was taking it. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Check around where you live. The Salt Lake Film Society screens stuff you don’t get from the major distribution companies. Many very popular movies start in these independent venues. And the best movies I have seen over the past year were screened only there. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review How do we get such pass ? Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: $300/year for one or $500 for two. If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money. Sometimes I see two a week. Free popcorn is included. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make more sense. Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wild Meh ++ OK, but I have a season pass at the theater. I would not recommend paying full fare.
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
I always found it interesting that most diesel electric locomotives use dynamic braking and dissipate the electricity in resistor banks near the roof with fans to cool them. So you could buy some of these: http://www.mosebachresistors.com/resistors_rl.html From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:05 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? 2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it. Not sure if there are any common power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device. If you parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them. Be nice to do full on and full off into a resistive load with input filtering. Then you could use smaller devices and heat sinks. PWM with input current feedback. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a resistor bank. One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components. Or a jfet with source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead. Or any of a hundred circuits. For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction of the total amps. I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here. On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load. What voltage range do you want? Doh!, that would be a constant power load. You want constant current load. Have to continue thinking... From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps. Have to think on this a bit. I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
There are some reasonably priced electronic loads for testing batteries in the 100 watt neighborhood, but he wants lots more than that. I saw a used Kikusui unit on eBay, that name rings a bell, I think maybe they were the place to go for such things back in the day when I needed such things. And Powerwerx sells one for something like $200. Lots of strange loads on eBay if you search for “electronic load” or “load bank”. If you just need it one time, check some of the test equipment rental places. They will usually rent equipment for a month for about 1/10 of the purchase price. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? No wattages are listed. I wonder what they can dissipate. I wonder what the resistance element is. Iron? Stainless? I doubt nichrome but could be. Too bad they didn’t include batteries. Maybe they are AC only. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I always found it interesting that most diesel electric locomotives use dynamic braking and dissipate the electricity in resistor banks near the roof with fans to cool them. So you could buy some of these: http://www.mosebachresistors.com/resistors_rl.html From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:05 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? 2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it. Not sure if there are any common power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device. If you parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them. Be nice to do full on and full off into a resistive load with input filtering. Then you could use smaller devices and heat sinks. PWM with input current feedback. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a resistor bank. One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components. Or a jfet with source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead. Or any of a hundred circuits. For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction of the total amps. I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here. On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load. What voltage range do you want? Doh!, that would be a constant power load. You want constant current load. Have to continue thinking... From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps. Have to think on this a bit. I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
Resistance is futile. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:05 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? 2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it. Not sure if there are any common power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device. If you parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them. Be nice to do full on and full off into a resistive load with input filtering. Then you could use smaller devices and heat sinks. PWM with input current feedback. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a resistor bank. One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components. Or a jfet with source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead. Or any of a hundred circuits. For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction of the total amps. I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here. On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load. What voltage range do you want? Doh!, that would be a constant power load. You want constant current load. Have to continue thinking... From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps. Have to think on this a bit. I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Well then obviously GMail is broken. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch! Mine came at 1:24 PM Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Read Paul's email. On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from af@afmug.com ;) Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? The From was definitely broken. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? Trick question, wasn't broken. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Maybe J From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? a yes or a no -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBXhDcogcI
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
I heard them whisper about feeling sorry for you.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/30/2014 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
I could try, but they are all over 18 and some of them outweigh me.
(I do have boxing gloves, hard to get them to spar with me for some reason.
Fear, pity, respect, apathy?)
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Well then obviously GMail is broken.
From: Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!
Mine came at 1:24 PM
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Read Paul's email.
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
af@afmug.com ;)
Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
The From was definitely broken.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Trick question, wasn't broken.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Maybe J
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
a yes or a no
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use
a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] wireless router video
The information in the video may be fine, but I have a bad taste in my mouth right now regarding DLink. Most of the customer routers I found on my network with port 1900 open to the Internet turned out to be DLink. That’s just stupid, having UPnP not only enabled by default but enabled toward the WAN side. But then I find most of the DLink routers aren’t getting firmware updates anymore, the only fix is to disable UPnP. http://support.dlink.ca/FAQView.aspx?f=sY5vcvfAuAV6bXgi%2F8WoVw%3D%3D And then customers who can upgrade their FW find all their settings are lost. Way to go, DLink. Maybe Belkin will buy them too, and they can brand everything Blinksys. From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:18 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wireless router video Instaiing the router in corner is sometimes better. Think corner reflections help Jaime Solorza On Dec 29, 2014 7:08 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdOBVKenzQ On Monday, December 29, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Looking for the link to the belkin or dlink video telling folks to get the router up off the floor.
Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
I don’t think you’re supposed to notice anything until tomorrow. The point of
getting everyone’s email address verified is so they can send mail after the
switch gets flipped.
The whole Amazon thing does feel kind of autocratic though. It’s the Amazon
way or the highway. Which I guess should not be surprising. Ask the authors
whose books are sold on Amazon. I mean, they’re the freakin’ Amazon. We are
but insignificant puny beings compared to the giant Amazon. Who are you to
question the great Amazon. If you wish to benefit from its awesome power, you
will submit to its rules.
From: Tyler Treat via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Yeah. I noticed no change
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___
On Dec 30, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
So now instead of 'josh via afmug' it is 'josh via amazonses'? Am I missing
something here?
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBXhDcogcI
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
I heard them whisper about feeling sorry for you.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/30/2014 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
I could try, but they are all over 18 and some of them outweigh me.
(I do have boxing gloves, hard to get them to spar with me for some
reason. Fear, pity, respect, apathy?)
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Well then obviously GMail is broken.
From: Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!
Mine came at 1:24 PM
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Read Paul's email.
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
af@afmug.com ;)
Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
The From was definitely broken.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Trick question, wasn't broken.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Maybe J
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
a yes or a no
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use
a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] hmmmm.....whats wrong with this ap eval?
Range 0 feet? From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 9:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] h.whats wrong with this ap eval? You divided by color code zero and got a color code 57 somehow. On 12/29/2014 9:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � � anyone?� anyone? :) � � AP Selection Method used: Optimize for Throughput Current entry index: 0 Session Status: REGISTERED (via Primary Color Code 0) * Index: 0 Frequency: 906.00 MHz ESN: 0a-00-3e-91-13-95 Region: United States Jitter: 5 Power Level: -67 dBm Beacon Count: 19 BRcvW: 1 FECEn: 0 Type: Multipoint Avail: 1 Age: 0 Lockout: 0 RegFail 3 Range: 54243 feet MaxRange: 25 miles TxBER: 1 EBcast: 0 Session Count: 17 NoLUIDS: 0 OutOfRange: 0 AuthFail: 0 EncryptFail: 0 Rescan Req: 0 SMLimitReached: 0 NoVC's: 0 VCRsvFail: 0 VCActFail: 0 FrameNumber: 529 SectorID: 0 Color Code: 0 BeaconVersion: 0 SectorUserCount: 9 NumULHalfSlots: 11 NumDLHalfSlots: 33 NumULContSlots: 3 WhiteSched: 0 ICC: 0 Authentication: Disabled SM PPPoE: Supported * Index: 1 Frequency: 913.00 MHz ESN: 0a-00-3e-91-b5-51 Region: United States Jitter: 4 Power Level: -82 dBm Beacon Count: 12 BRcvW: 1 FECEn: 0 Type: Multipoint Avail: 1 Age: 0 Lockout: 0 RegFail 0 Range: 0 feet MaxRange: 25 miles TxBER: 1 EBcast: 0 Session Count: 0 NoLUIDS: 0 OutOfRange: 0 AuthFail: 0 EncryptFail: 0 Rescan Req: 0 SMLimitReached: 0 NoVC's: 0 VCRsvFail: 0 VCActFail: 0 FrameNumber: 1139 SectorID: 0 Color Code: 57 BeaconVersion: 0 SectorUserCount: 7 NumULHalfSlots: 11 NumDLHalfSlots: 33 NumULContSlots: 3 WhiteSched: 0 ICC: 0 Authentication: Disabled SM PPPoE: Supported * Index: 2 Frequency: 924.00 MHz ESN: 0a-00-3e-91-27-05 Region: United States Jitter: 5 Power Level: -84 dBm Beacon Count: 3 BRcvW: 1 FECEn: 0 Type: Multipoint Avail: 1 Age: 0 Lockout: 0 RegFail 3 Range: 0 feet MaxRange: 25 miles TxBER: 1 EBcast: 0 Session Count: 0 NoLUIDS: 0 OutOfRange: 0 AuthFail: 0 EncryptFail: 0 Rescan Req: 0 SMLimitReached: 0 NoVC's: 0 VCRsvFail: 0 VCActFail: 0 FrameNumber: 662 SectorID: 0 Color Code: 0 BeaconVersion: 1 SectorUserCount: 0 NumULHalfSlots: 11 NumDLHalfSlots: 33 NumULContSlots: 3 SM PPPoE: Supported * Index: 3 Frequency: 915.00 MHz ESN: 0a-00-3e-90-23-93 Region: United States Jitter: 5 Power Level: -83 dBm Beacon Count: 11 BRcvW: 1 FECEn: 0 Type: Multipoint Avail: 1 Age: 0 Lockout: 0 RegFail 0 Range: 0 feet MaxRange: 25 miles TxBER: 1 EBcast: 0 Session Count: 0 NoLUIDS: 0 OutOfRange: 0 AuthFail: 0 EncryptFail: 0 Rescan Req: 0 SMLimitReached: 0 NoVC's: 0 VCRsvFail: 0 VCActFail: 0 FrameNumber: 1973 SectorID: 0 Color Code: 0 BeaconVersion: 0 SectorUserCount: 7 NumULHalfSlots: 11 NumDLHalfSlots: 33 NumULContSlots: 3 WhiteSched: 0 ICC: 0 Authentication: Disabled SM PPPoE: Supported
[AFMUG] OT - for Chuck - Kari Byron, champagne, machete, zombie apocalypse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Qa2Ym7iew Wait, I forget if Chuck drinks alcoholic beverages, probably not. Maybe try opening a bottle of Yoo-hoo with a machete. The technique seems to involve cleanly breaking off the glass neck of the bottle, not popping the cork. In any case, you have to get your Kari fix where you can now, with the change at Mythbusters.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS
As abundant as bison and passenger pigeons. From: David Milholen via Af Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS Who needs it... Just proliferate the air with great wifi data streams where spectrum is abundant as water. On 12/23/2014 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Ubnt flat out doesn't have GPS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 23, 2014 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't know anyone using GPS on ubnt On December 23, 2014 4:23:20 PM AKST, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our region is pretty noisy and getting noisier. Currently we are using Ubnt Rocket 90deg sectors although I have considered these to really be more like 75 degrees due UBNT using -6dB as the rolloff point. We have seen a dramatic improvement with a Titanium sector and plan on replacing the other rockets with Titaniums and considering going to 60deg or maybe even 45 degree and using GPS sync to reuse channels. What if any have been your experiences with going to narrower sectors for a given area? I would expect to see ~3dB improvement in links just by reducing the antenna pattern, and ~3dB due to power density. Additional gains might be made from improved F/B rejection and improved shielding, possibly another ~3dB? This could mean anywhere from 6-9dB improveme nt on every link. What are your experiences with UBNT GPS? We would not use dynamic, but rather fixed downlink %. I know we will give up some B/W but better spectrum management might be worth the trade. The link improvements should push the radios into higher modulation further mitigating the loss by using GPS Thoughts? Comments? Jerry -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. --
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick
Maybe a chisel bit for an electric demolition hammer? But there should be a better way. Unistrut across the peaks, or something like a SitePro SP250 wallmount. Or a pair of strategically placed ChannelMaster CM3079 wall brackets or WB MTOWs up on the peaks or down in the valleys. One thing to worry about with decorative brick – often the inside is soft or even hollow. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 7:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick I’ve got some buildings that have a decorative brick on the side that has peaks and valleys of up to 1.5” I need to mount brackets against them meaning I need a tool that can ream away the brick until I have a smooth area to mount the bracket against it. Imagine a hole saw that that is just flat or something like a counter sink tool. Can someone please tell me what that’s called? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
[AFMUG] Gino - whose tower is this and what's on it?
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2014/12/25/business/dbpix-doral-1/dbpix-doral-1-blog480.jpg from article: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/unsolved-shooting-accentuates-problems-at-doral-one-of-puerto-ricos-biggest-lenders/?_r=0 Are those white things old cornucopias? ATT?
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
They are starting to experiment with monthly subscriptions to movie theaters.
Still doesn’t address the issue that when streaming at home you don’t have to
pay for each person in the family.
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Does that mean that the majority of movies in the future will not be worth the
price of admission?
AKA - I'm willing to spend a few bucks for the 2/4/6 of us to watch, but not
willing to spend $10 each for it
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/26/2014 6:38 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote:
Same here, hate to say it, this is the way movies should go, I understand
paying a premium to movie theaters, but a bet as time goes on we will see that
more and more, direct to streaming.
Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Watched it off Google Play. 10/10 did lol
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 10:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
too late for sprint, att, vzw, and tmo
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
It’s also an economics lesson for any of us who think about starting a
price war with the industry cost leader, like the cable companies.
I keep hearing the Saudis need oil to be $100, but I don’t see why. They
just pump the stuff, the other guys are drilling and fracking. They probably
need it to be $100 to support their economy and lifestyle since they don’t
produce anything but oil, but they are probably profitable at $10.
From: Mark Radabaugh via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
It's just a little geopolitical Christmas present.
The old joke - what's the best price of oil for OPEC? $100, $100, $100,
$50, $100.
When the price drops to $50 it kills all of the speculative drilling and
investment in alternative energy, and then OPEC raises the price back and
ensures they stay relevant.
The low oil price also punishes a variety of political enemies - Russia,
ISIS, Iran, and a couple of South American countries.
The low price won't last, but it's nice for a while and plays into a number
of political battles.
Mark
On 12/24/14 10:58 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Wonder what the play is there. How long will gas prices stay this low?
And how low will they go? Saudi Arabia is in the drivers seat for now. Russia
and a few of the OPEC nations are getting it in the shorts.
Someone will blink. I'm betting that gas will turn around in 3-6 months.
--bppart {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/24/2014 7:11
AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Yep:
http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/refined-products/rbob-gasoline.html
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
I wonder if you can purchase gasoline futures?
From: Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Get a few 55 gallon drums. That's what we did around 2006.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 9:44 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I wish I had a 50,000 gallon tank and I wish that gas did not have a
shelf life.
From: Jaime Solorza via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:51 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Gas at 1.87 a gallon today
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 23, 2014 4:20 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
As long as they leave my shrubbery alone.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 23, 2014 1:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we?
From: Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re
Re: [AFMUG] Micro cell with NAT mode FSK
Is LAN IP 192.168.100.x? From: timothy steele via Af Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Micro cell with NAT mode FSK Just ran into a ATT microcell that would not work with the SM in NAT mode routers WAN was on a DMZ IP anyone else run into this? Thanks — Sent from Mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny. Local paper makes an interestingmisprint
That’s the problem, newspapers have probably fired all the editors to save money. We don’t need no stinkin’ editors. From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny. Local paper makes an interestingmisprint in other city they'd fire the editor... - Original Message - From: Jay Weekley via Af To: Animal Farm Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny. Local paper makes an interesting misprint Poor kids. Yes, this is our local paper from Wednesday. Far from their first mistake but possibly one of the worst.
Re: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test
I take it this is someone out on the Internet, not one of your customers? -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 4:27 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test Been trying to track down a 20 second 400mb spike in outbound traffic that has been happening every 10 minutes all day. Finally tracked it down to my Speedtest.net server. Someone automated pulling the test files via HTTP. It shows up in my server logs, but not in the speedtest.net reports. They simultaneously pull 8 copies of all 10 test .jpg files. I've blocked their IP Address, automating it like that just seems a little rude. Just wanted to give anyone else running a speedtest.net server a heads up. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Chrismas Present woes
I had a customer call with a similar sounding issue today, but they have a Linksys E1550 (I think that was a crappy special for Best Buy model.) Oddly, their WiFi-only iPad is fine. FWIW, there has been much bitching on Apple forums about WiFi problems ever since the iOS 8 upgrade for older iPhones. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/11/20/ios-8-1-1-problems/ -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley via Af Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 9:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Chrismas Present woes Not yet. This just came in a few hours ago. Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I've seen apple phones that seemed to have wireless compatibility issues with some routers' older firmware - try a firmware update? On Dec 26, 2014 9:41 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Got this email from the wife of one of our landlords. Hey, I'm Bill xx's wife, Barb. I had an Apple phone last year and had no problems connecting to the wireless. A couple months ago, it wouldn't let me connect here at home. I am able to connect to any other wireless anywhere, except here. At first, I thought it was my phone maybe with some updating issues. Bought a new Apple phone today. Wireless worked fine in the store. Once I got home, I am still unable to connect. The wireless works in the house with all other devices. Can you tell me if this is fixable? Any suggestions? They currently have a Netgear router if that helps. Normally I would tell them to call Apple but we have a tower in their field in exchange for free internet at their house.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin Someone pee in your EggNog Chuck? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
Ask Siri to explain it to you. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Okay, then it doesn't make it intuitive to do attachments. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:38:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Attached and sent from my iPhone ;-) Merry Christmas -sean On Thursday, December 25, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For sure on Android. I never assume iOS can do anything you'd ever want to do, so I haven't tried. It can't even do e-mail attachments. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:27:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Can you go to the manufacturer download site, save the file to the phone, then go to the firmware update page in the router GUI, and browse to the file you saved earlier, just like on a PC? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Phone can just use the web interface like a PC would. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My current problem is I scanned my network and found about 45 customers with UPnP open to the Internet, I think they are mostly DLinks with some older Linksys thrown in. I sent a little note to each of them recommending they update the firmware and/or disable UPnP, then run the Rapid7 “Scan My Router Now” test. There is even a DLink video telling you how to update your firmware: How to upgrade the firmware on your router I would venture a guess 99% of customers have never updated their router firmware. This is something IMHO they need to know how to do or pay someone to do, like changing the oil in your car. I think the only way Windows Update ever gets run is because the computer came with it configured for automatic updates. What’s scary is the trend toward people having only phones, tablets, game consoles, TVs, Rokus, etc. on their WiFi, no actual computers and certainly nothing with an Ethernet cable. How do you update the firmware on your router from a phone, if they want you to download the firmware to your computer and then upload it to the router? At least Netgear gives you buttons when you log into the router GUI to check for new firmware and to do the upgrade, without having to first store it on your computer. And as dependent as these remote support companies are on remote control software like Teamviewer and GoToSupport, how do they handle the customer with no computers? Do they remote into a phone or tablet? Even if that is possible, it’s got to be really clumsy to reprogram someone’s WiFi using a remote session to a WiFi device. From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support thats why i love reverse DHCP based on MAC. Tell us you have a new router, check the bridge table on the SM and update the mac. Additionally, a lot of people NAT the sms. Early days we had trouble with that and i've just never liked it... - Original Message - From: Philip Rankin via Af To: af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support The first thing the manufacturer does is tell the customer to hard reset their router. If you use pppoe like we do, then someone has to re-setup the pppoe information. You are FAR better off to simply handle your customer computer problems yourself and charge a lot for the work! IMHO! On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That doesn't quite look like the answer. Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer. I see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30 days. Dell has paid support. Apple has Applecare. HP has SmartFriend which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe that's where I should send them: https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/subscription-services/index.asp -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
[AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
https://gigaom.com/2014/12/25/scrooges-strike-xbox-live-playstation-network-hacked-outage/
Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/technet/windows/msdos/RESKIT/SUPPDISK/NIBBLES.BAS From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down? I can't play a single player game... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yep my brother can't play his new game Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Well, at least they took down both, so as to not give an unfair advantage to one. :P From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down? https://gigaom.com/2014/12/25/scrooges-strike-xbox-live-playstation-network-hacked-outage/
Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
Lizard Squad taking credit. Bonus – this article has a picture of Kim Jong-Un
at his game console.
http://www.vox.com/2014/12/23/7443177/lizard-squad-north-korea-sony
Lots of highbrow discussion on Lizard Squad’s Twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/fuckcrucifix
From: Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
It seems pretty likely that it's just all the new consoles being turned on
today... you would think they would've been prepared for that... I wonder if
they sold a lot more than they expected to.
From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Shaun Hoggan via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
I have been working on this all morning! The Sony status page reported the
system was operational however, it has been a no go since around 6:30 MST this
morning. My take is that the denial of service is simply so many new customers
logging on at the same time Christmas morning that the servers could not take
the load. This is simply a case of poor planning on the part of Sony and
costly for the rest of us working the problem Christmas morning.
On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Let the conspiracy theories begin!
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/25/2014 10:54 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
https://gigaom.com/2014/12/25/scrooges-strike-xbox-live-playstation-network-hacked-outage/
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
So Rory, are you eyeing Cuba for WISP consulting opportunities?
From: Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Yea, because all of us were thinking what a fair, equitable, and honest system
the government really is and that Obama would never hire a lobbyist in his
administration. Do you exchange Christmas cards with Tommy, Bill?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Now you've done it. You've ticked off Rory. Watch out, he'll probably team up
with Steve and go on a revenge mission.
--bppart {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/25/2014 9:03
AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Seriously, Linked in sends me these random “Endorse Rory Conaway for his
knowledge of the mating habits of the North American
Fruitfly”.
I want two additional buttons:
“How the hell should I know ?”
-and-
“Pretty sure he is an idiot when it comes to that subject”
If you could give a thumbs down the overall endorsements might actually have
some weight whereas now they are more of a polite social ping job.
From: Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Someone pee in your EggNog Chuck?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
Long ago, people had dumb terminals that were useless without the mainframe, while a centralized organization decided what software you could run, and snooped on your data. Luckily the PC was invented to free us from the tyranny of IT and the mainframe. The IT people tried to regain their control over us with thin clients, but we didn't fall for that trick. Now everything old is new again, and we have the cloud and devices and SaaS which basically means renting software. And if the cloud goes down, the devices are bricks. Even game consoles, even school textbooks, even Belkin routers. Can you imagine a book publisher going out of business, and the books on your shelves suddenly have blank pages? Pontiac goes out of business, and your Firebird stops running? -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down? On 12/25/14 11:30 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: Xbox? is that just because the game is stupidly made, or is it everything? That's how it all works now. Things call home to authorize you're allowed to use it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Well, there are movies that satisfy those criteria but are also classics, like anything by Mel Brooks or Harold Ramis. I was reminded of Space Balls today by an article about 10 gigabit Internet that referenced Ludicrous Speed. They’ve Gone To Plaid! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0 From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste Those are usually the movies I prefer. That and stuff with boobs or things that blow up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:41:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Yea, it was sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste. I watched it out of pure patriotism. J Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:13 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Neither actor interest me. Actually none of the movie fare piques my interest all. We always go to movies on Christmas Day. Oh well. Enjoy the movie Jaime Solorza On Dec 25, 2014 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are watching it now. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review The Interview. Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco. Pineapple Express in North Korea. Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has killed the distribution company. Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas. Half way through it I watched the move on YouTube. The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a North Korean prison camp. He grew up and escaped. So far he is the only one they know about. I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others. Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times. North Korea is worse in some ways.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
It’s also an economics lesson for any of us who think about starting a price
war with the industry cost leader, like the cable companies.
I keep hearing the Saudis need oil to be $100, but I don’t see why. They just
pump the stuff, the other guys are drilling and fracking. They probably need
it to be $100 to support their economy and lifestyle since they don’t produce
anything but oil, but they are probably profitable at $10.
From: Mark Radabaugh via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
It's just a little geopolitical Christmas present.
The old joke - what's the best price of oil for OPEC? $100, $100, $100, $50,
$100.
When the price drops to $50 it kills all of the speculative drilling and
investment in alternative energy, and then OPEC raises the price back and
ensures they stay relevant.
The low oil price also punishes a variety of political enemies - Russia, ISIS,
Iran, and a couple of South American countries.
The low price won't last, but it's nice for a while and plays into a number of
political battles.
Mark
On 12/24/14 10:58 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Wonder what the play is there. How long will gas prices stay this low? And
how low will they go? Saudi Arabia is in the drivers seat for now. Russia and
a few of the OPEC nations are getting it in the shorts.
Someone will blink. I'm betting that gas will turn around in 3-6 months.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/24/2014 7:11 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Yep:
http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/refined-products/rbob-gasoline.html
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
I wonder if you can purchase gasoline futures?
From: Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Get a few 55 gallon drums. That's what we did around 2006.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 9:44 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I wish I had a 50,000 gallon tank and I wish that gas did not have a
shelf life.
From: Jaime Solorza via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:51 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Gas at 1.87 a gallon today
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 23, 2014 4:20 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
As long as they leave my shrubbery alone.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 23, 2014 1:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we?
From: Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation.
“Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an
open sewer and die.”
- Mel Brooks
From: Jaime Solorza via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Polemic movie. I thought it was a comedy
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Yes, it is the top local newspaper
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Legit news source?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html
News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots
the cojo… now??
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Is this what a dDOS attack looks like?
This is why people were saying some teenage kid with a credit card could have
taken down North Korea’s Internet. Kim Jong-Un was probably playing on his
Xbox and pissed off some gamer. Although 9.5 hours is a long DDoS, usually
it’s something like 5 minutes.
Hard to believe ragebooter.net is still around and operating so openly.
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this what a dDOS attack looks like?
Welcome to teh suck. And the target is almost always an Xbox kid.
On 12/24/2014 10:13 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
One of our routers showed a massive increase in traffic last night around
19:15 Pacific time (see below). It didn't crash, but got super busy during
that time, and appeared to be locked up. Nothing shows in the logs, but a
segment of our network appeared to be unavailable for a few minutes. By the
time I figured out what was going on, the traffic went away.
--
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
Re: [AFMUG] Is this what a dDOS attack looks like?
You can’t do that with authoritative nameservers, by definition they answer
queries from anyone (except possibly for blacklists and rate limiting).
Also, “only answer” can mean several things, from dropping the packets, to
refusing the query, to answering with a referral to the gTLD servers. If you
did it in the nameserver config, they are probably refusing the query.
Typically that won’t provide amplification, but it will create bidirectional
traffic.
And if you are the target of the DDoS, not just being used for amplification,
there’s not much you can do other than absorb the traffic or get it stopped
upstream of you.
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this what a dDOS attack looks like?
We restrict our DNS servers to only answer to IPs within our own subnets. Not
only are they within the US, they would pretty much be within our county.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/24/2014 8:59 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af wrote:
Our DNS servers have been hit all week long.
Yesterday, was the first time I saw some coming from within the US.
Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 11:14 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Is this what a dDOS attack looks like?
One of our routers showed a massive increase in traffic last night around
19:15 Pacific time (see below). It didn't crash, but got super busy during
that time, and appeared to be locked up. Nothing shows in the logs, but a
segment of our network appeared to be unavailable for a few minutes. By the
time I figured out what was going on, the traffic went away.
-- --bppart {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
[AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
Is there a service out there? For stuff that's clearly not our problem? I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers. I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV. My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb. Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for less? I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume they are outsourcing it. Note that I'm not talking about phone support for Internet problems. Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking permission. I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative light. I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and other devices updated. Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed? I suppose some do. Maybe we need the government to come do all these things for us.
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
The latter. Not tier1 support. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Are you looking for tier1 support center or an over the phone PC repair shop? If they can't afford $100 to fix their $1000 Macbooks they will just end up buying a new $1000 Macbook. Give them 2-3 possible solutions and apologize that you can't help them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a service out there? For stuff that's clearly not our problem? I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers. I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV. My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb. Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for less? I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume they are outsourcing it. Note that I'm not talking about phone support for Internet problems. Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking permission. I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative light. I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and other devices updated. Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed? I suppose some do. Maybe we need the government to come do all these things for us.
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
That doesn't quite look like the answer. Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer. I see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30 days. Dell has paid support. Apple has Applecare. HP has SmartFriend which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe that's where I should send them: https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/subscription-services/index.asp -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Is securitycoverage.com still relevant? DTNSpeednet used to push it. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a service out there? For stuff that's clearly not our problem? I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers. I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV. My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb. Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for less? I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume they are outsourcing it. Note that I'm not talking about phone support for Internet problems. Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking permission. I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative light. I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and other devices updated. Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed? I suppose some do. Maybe we need the government to come do all these things for us.
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
Americans have the unalienable right to own a car, a gun, a computer, and to procreate. At least with a gun the really stupid ones won't figure out how to disengage the safety, or they will shoot themselves, as many Youtube videos attest. And if you procreate but don't feed and clothe the kids, DCFS may come and take them away (or you may get a reality show). The guy with the bald tires should not have a car. And some people just shouldn't have computers. Like the PHB in Dilbert, we should give them an Etch-a-Sketch. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 2:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Are they threatening to leave if you don't help them? If not, can you just say 'sorry, not our problem' and leave it at that? You've told them how to fix the problem, 'call the local computer guy' If they're not willing to do that, then its equivalent of doing a cross country road trip on a spare tire. When they wreck, is it the interstates fault? Although having said that, I was at the tire shop last week, and there was a guy there with 300k miles on his tires, they were all bald, but one was showing the strength members. He was only willing to spend $50, and wanted only that 1 tire replaced. They didn't have a tire that cheap (I think his total had come to $65), and he ended up leaving. I guess it makes sense to some people On 12/24/2014 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: That doesn't quite look like the answer. Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer. I see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30 days. Dell has paid support. Apple has Applecare. HP has SmartFriend which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe that's where I should send them: https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/subscription-services/index.asp -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Is securitycoverage.com still relevant? DTNSpeednet used to push it. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a service out there? For stuff that's clearly not our problem? I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers. I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV. My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb. Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for less? I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume they are outsourcing it. Note that I'm not talking about phone support for Internet problems. Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking permission. I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative light. I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and other devices updated. Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed? I suppose some do. Maybe we need the government to come do all these things for us.
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
I wonder at what point does ServerPlus say we are not here to help you hook up your Samsung Smart TV to your Linksys router. Or we need to charge you for it. From: joseph marsh via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 2:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Server plus does to a extent. They will be doing my tech support On Dec 24, 2014 2:51 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Maybe ServerPlus does that. Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Is there a service out there? For stuff that's clearly not our problem? I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers. I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV. My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb. Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for less? I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume they are outsourcing it. Note that I'm not talking about phone support for Internet problems. Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking permission. I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative light. I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and other devices updated. Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed? I suppose some do. Maybe we need the government to come do all these things for us.
Re: [AFMUG] Balting Networks selling AF5 for $850
Those boxes are BG! What is a pallet full, 4 of them? Maybe not even that? From: cjwstudios via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Balting Networks selling AF5 for $850 I bought a pallet of AF5's...still waiting to see if a FW version comes out that makes them useful. I'm not too impressed. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The antennas are too small to be useful in most places. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Carl Peterson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:49:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Balting Networks selling AF5 for $850 I get the feeling that AF5s aren't selling too well and there is a bunch of old inventory they are trying to move. AF24s are still selling well. On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It'd be nice to see the AF24 @ $850 too. On 12/22/2014 8:38 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Well crap, that was not supposed to happen. Baltic is selling the AF5 for $850. Is this the new normal, not $995? 150 bucks off makes it somewhat more attractive versus some other options, if I can use it for short distance FDD-like links and keep it in 1024QAM mode. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Lower signal on one end of PTP link
Well, that invokes two well know rules: - try the easier one first - but it will always be the last one you try -Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lower signal on one end of PTP link It would sure be spiffy if it's the lower signal one, because that one's on the roof of a two story building. The stronger end is at the top of an ATT cell tower that we don't want to have to climb. On 12/24/2014 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Normally I would say this doesn't sound like an alignment problem, but airFiber is unique in that different antennas are used for xmt and rcv. AF24 has one antenna bigger than the other, right? And the rcv antenna is the bigger one? If that's correct, I guess I would vote for the side with the low rcv signal. -Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Lower signal on one end of PTP link I've been doing this enough years (decades?) that it seems like I should know this, but I'm having a brain-dead moment. Must be all the eggnog. I have an Airfiber 24 link. One end has a solid signal of -50/-50, and the other end varies around -53/-53 to as much as -55/-55. Which end is more likely to be slightly out of alignment? Or is it impossible to tell? !DSPAM:2,549b608e6559491432336!
Re: [AFMUG] My new years even present
What is the difference between a cubby hole and an empty box? From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] My new years even present Yea, I feel your pain. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] My new years even present we ordered some cubby holes for the office from bed bath and beyond. we enjoyed getting our EMPTY BOX. just thought i'd share :) - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:13 AM Subject: [AFMUG] My new years even present Go to open up my Powerbeams for installations in the morning and find out that someone switched the Powerbeam hardware with NanoBridge hardware and put them in the PowerBeam box. Problem is these were ordered several months ago. Figuring out who did the switch is going to be tough. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
Can you go to the manufacturer download site, save the file to the phone, then go to the firmware update page in the router GUI, and browse to the file you saved earlier, just like on a PC? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Phone can just use the web interface like a PC would. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My current problem is I scanned my network and found about 45 customers with UPnP open to the Internet, I think they are mostly DLinks with some older Linksys thrown in. I sent a little note to each of them recommending they update the firmware and/or disable UPnP, then run the Rapid7 “Scan My Router Now” test. There is even a DLink video telling you how to update your firmware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHnacMKb2ro I would venture a guess 99% of customers have never updated their router firmware. This is something IMHO they need to know how to do or pay someone to do, like changing the oil in your car. I think the only way Windows Update ever gets run is because the computer came with it configured for automatic updates. What’s scary is the trend toward people having only phones, tablets, game consoles, TVs, Rokus, etc. on their WiFi, no actual computers and certainly nothing with an Ethernet cable. How do you update the firmware on your router from a phone, if they want you to download the firmware to your computer and then upload it to the router? At least Netgear gives you buttons when you log into the router GUI to check for new firmware and to do the upgrade, without having to first store it on your computer. And as dependent as these remote support companies are on remote control software like Teamviewer and GoToSupport, how do they handle the customer with no computers? Do they remote into a phone or tablet? Even if that is possible, it’s got to be really clumsy to reprogram someone’s WiFi using a remote session to a WiFi device. From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support thats why i love reverse DHCP based on MAC. Tell us you have a new router, check the bridge table on the SM and update the mac. Additionally, a lot of people NAT the sms. Early days we had trouble with that and i've just never liked it... - Original Message - From: Philip Rankin via Af To: af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support The first thing the manufacturer does is tell the customer to hard reset their router. If you use pppoe like we do, then someone has to re-setup the pppoe information. You are FAR better off to simply handle your customer computer problems yourself and charge a lot for the work! IMHO! On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That doesn't quite look like the answer. Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer. I see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30 days. Dell has paid support. Apple has Applecare. HP has SmartFriend which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe that's where I should send them: https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/subscription-services/index.asp -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Is securitycoverage.com still relevant? DTNSpeednet used to push it. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a service out there? For stuff that's clearly not our problem? I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers. I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV. My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb. Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for less? I know the telcos offer this service
Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down....
I guess it could be treated like 137/138/139/445 which do not belong on the public Internet, I would feel better about blocking if it was a low numbered port. Are you blocking it inbound to your network, or also outbound? From: Ty Featherling via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down After seeing suspicious traffic I have dropped UDP port 1900 globally with no ill-effects. I have dropepd over 300 GB of that traffic this month. -Ty On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I read somewhere, I think maybe Ars, that the DDoS attack has been going on for several days and is using primarily NTP and SSDP (UPnP discovery protocol) amplification. And that SSDP has succeeded NTP and DNS as the amplification method for big ( 1Gbps) DDoS attacks. Apparently because the industry jumped on securing open NTP servers. And even though SSDP provides less amplification than NTP, there are more targets and they are mostly home routers which consumers are not going to patch even if there is patched firmware available. Plus UDP makes it easier to spoof the source IP. So I must have missed that UDP port 1900 is the new target for amplification. I did a quick torch and saw a bunch of traffic on udp/1900, some inbound only which I assume are scans, some bidirectional which I’m thinking is suspicious but maybe some port 1900 traffic is normal because it is in the 1024 ephemeral port range. I went and signed up for ShadowServer, figuring they will tell me what IPs were responding to SSDP requests on what date and I can track down the customer. Anyone have a better approach? If you identify customers with UPnP open to the outside, are you contacting them and pushing them to fix it? It’s just amazing to me that some routers would have UPnP open on the WAN side. What’s wrong with these companies? I saw DLink mentioned, and sure enough, when I torched for udp/1900, I saw a lot of connections for a customer that I seem to remember has a DLink DIR-655. From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:58 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down linksys modems for backhauls Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: No! No! They have Comcast Cable and Century Link DSL. Normal stuff. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down The FBI setup a P2P server in North Korea with the Sony movie as the only download. LOL Travis On 12/22/2014 2:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: What did we do? Lol. How did we do it ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
[AFMUG] port 1900 (UPnP) vulnerability scanner
So I found that Rapid7 (the Metasploit people) has some free tools to scan for this vulnerability. There's a UPnP Router Scan that customers can run from their browser (I think it gets a server to scan their IP address from the outside). Also a ScanNow for UPnP tool (Windows .exe) that I am using to scan my IP blocks. It does require you to register, so probably it means some emails trying to sell their paid tools, but the scanner is working nicely and jeez Louise there are a bunch of them. Mostly DLinks and older Linksys routers. The scan my router tool does not require registration. http://www.rapid7.com/resources/free-tools.jsp
[AFMUG] OT - last minute Christmas present for those who cashed out this year
For those of you who sold your WISP this year and have a pile of cash to spend, you can buy the original Miami Vice Ferrari: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291329129292
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation. “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” - Mel Brooks From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Polemic movie. I thought it was a comedy Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, it is the top local newspaper Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Legit news source? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo… now?? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Maybe now they are trying to censor the 1938 movie “The Citadel”. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029995/ From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 2:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we? From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation. “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” - Mel Brooks From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Polemic movie. I thought it was a comedy Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, it is the top local newspaper Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Legit news source? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo… now?? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP with Force 110 - what am I doing wrong?
That’s kind of like saying my Android phone worked as a hammer so my iPhone should work even better as a hammer. When the right answer is, don’t use your phone as a hammer. I figure in 5 GHz each tree is going to cost you 10-20 dB of signal. Unless it is midway and it doesn’t occupy the full Fresnel zone, and again the 5 GHz is working against you because Fresnel zone is narrower than it would at 2.4 GHz or 900 MHz. Finally, if you can’t see the other end (because of trees), you really don’t know what you are shooting at. You could be aimed off to the side, or there could actually be a hill in the way, unless you have walked left or right until the tree no longer blocks the path. From: Alan West via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 4:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP with Force 110 - what am I doing wrong? Well, yes, I agree with you. But I have had very good luck with Ubiquiti 5.x gear with near line of site. So, I thought, Cambium should do it better, right? On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 4:30 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Trying to get nLOS from 5 gig is where you are doing it wrong. On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Alan West via Af af@afmug.com wrote: AP is set: Transmitter output power 23 antenna gain 13 This is the standard Cambium sector. On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 4:19 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't think you want to do NLOS in 5 GHz at all. That's why I doubled up APs and have 2/5 on each sector. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 23, 2014 5:16 PM, Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is it realistic to expect good performance through trees using 5 GHz? I could see trying to get a nLOS situation to work at 1 mile, but certainly not 5+. Do you have other APs on the tower that you can compare to? On 12/23/2014 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Uhm my post detailed a 5.1 link at 7 miles? Got -67 and some very nice bandwidth bumps. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 23, 2014 4:58 PM, Alan West via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yah, my AP is not showing up there at all. But the refresh seems dreadfully slow on these. I have it set to 2 seconds. I only have the upper band from 5740-58xx checked. Are you successfully getting any kind of range with the 110s? On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Go to monitor wireless. That's all the APs it can see with the frequencies/sizes you've enabled. I would suggest limiting the frequencies to the band you're deployed in. Saves time in scanning. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 23, 2014 4:49 PM, Alan West via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hello all. I am playing with a EPMP system to try to offload some customers over to it from my legacy 100 series network. I have a single 120 sector running 5.7 at about 180ft. Software is 2.3.3. Running on 20mhz channel. I have four EPMP Force 110s I am evaluating. I have one of them working at a customers home at 5.7 miles. Not perfect, but working. I cannot get a signal at all at another home very close to the other, at 5.9 miles. This is going over open farmland, however, it is not line of site (neither is the one above). There are a couple of small tree lines in the path. They are not very wide at all, perhaps only one or two trees deep. Each is along a creek. Is anyone else having issues with these? Maybe I have something configured wrong.
Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna
Either of these appear to let you mount at 45 degrees: http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-35-ghz-16-dbi-dual-polarized-panel-antenna http://www.mars-antennas.com/MA-WA36-DP21 What I really want is this, but it apparently doesn't exist yet: http://www.mars-antennas.com/MA-WA36-DP19 -Original Message- From: Matt via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna I have a few places I need more gain then a bare 450 3.65 SM but cannot fit a reflector. Is there a small panel antenna that works with the 450 3.65 SM?
Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna
But maybe a Force style mini-dish. Plus the fins on the back, it would look cool. Hate to think about the price. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna Maybe we'll get an integrated panel SM with the PMP455. No, probably not. On 12/23/2014 6:37 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Either of these appear to let you mount at 45 degrees: http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-35-ghz-16-dbi-dual-polarized-panel-antenna http://www.mars-antennas.com/MA-WA36-DP21 What I really want is this, but it apparently doesn't exist yet: http://www.mars-antennas.com/MA-WA36-DP19 -Original Message- From: Matt via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna I have a few places I need more gain then a bare 450 3.65 SM but cannot fit a reflector. Is there a small panel antenna that works with the 450 3.65 SM?
Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna
Yeah, I can get very creative about mounting a reflector dish anywhere. Wallmount, fascia mount, soffit mount, eave mount, upside-down J-pipe mount, tripod, non-pen, etc. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna Connectorized SM + $150 panel (L-com) = not cheap either. On 12/23/2014 6:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: But maybe a Force style mini-dish. Plus the fins on the back, it would look cool. Hate to think about the price. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna Maybe we'll get an integrated panel SM with the PMP455. No, probably not. On 12/23/2014 6:37 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Either of these appear to let you mount at 45 degrees: http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-35-ghz-16-dbi-dual-polarized-panel-antenna http://www.mars-antennas.com/MA-WA36-DP21 What I really want is this, but it apparently doesn't exist yet: http://www.mars-antennas.com/MA-WA36-DP19 -Original Message- From: Matt via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna I have a few places I need more gain then a bare 450 3.65 SM but cannot fit a reflector. Is there a small panel antenna that works with the 450 3.65 SM?
Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna
I'm trying to find the response from somebody at Cambium when I asked about the feasibility of a CLIP for 3.65 GHz. I think it was something about too big and not enough gain. Obviously with the new case design you couldn't just slip a 5 GHz Stinger or CLIP on a 3.65 GHz SM to see what happens. But I suspect something 50% bigger than the existing CLIP and with 6 dB gain over a bare SM might make some people happy. Certainly it would be cheaper than an SMC plus a panel, and smaller than a reflector dish. Here's a scary thought, remember the LENS that weighed a ton? Make that 50% bigger and put it on the 3.65 SM which also weighs a ton, now you have 2 tons. -Original Message- From: Jon Langeler via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna ITElite Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a few places I need more gain then a bare 450 3.65 SM but cannot fit a reflector. Is there a small panel antenna that works with the 450 3.65 SM?
Re: [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs
Before I’d sell them for $20, I think I’d find a micropop scenario to redeploy them. Hey, I still have FSK APs with 20-30 subs on them. Some places JAB has twice that. From: Heith Petersen via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs Did you check WSG? They offered me $20 per to by my p9 and above, so maybe they sell theirs for $35. I am still trying to find someone to buy mine off me From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs If you have a couple you could sell me I'd appreciate it. Just need a few spares. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8786 - Release Date: 12/22/14
Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down....
I read somewhere, I think maybe Ars, that the DDoS attack has been going on for several days and is using primarily NTP and SSDP (UPnP discovery protocol) amplification. And that SSDP has succeeded NTP and DNS as the amplification method for big ( 1Gbps) DDoS attacks. Apparently because the industry jumped on securing open NTP servers. And even though SSDP provides less amplification than NTP, there are more targets and they are mostly home routers which consumers are not going to patch even if there is patched firmware available. Plus UDP makes it easier to spoof the source IP. So I must have missed that UDP port 1900 is the new target for amplification. I did a quick torch and saw a bunch of traffic on udp/1900, some inbound only which I assume are scans, some bidirectional which I’m thinking is suspicious but maybe some port 1900 traffic is normal because it is in the 1024 ephemeral port range. I went and signed up for ShadowServer, figuring they will tell me what IPs were responding to SSDP requests on what date and I can track down the customer. Anyone have a better approach? If you identify customers with UPnP open to the outside, are you contacting them and pushing them to fix it? It’s just amazing to me that some routers would have UPnP open on the WAN side. What’s wrong with these companies? I saw DLink mentioned, and sure enough, when I torched for udp/1900, I saw a lot of connections for a customer that I seem to remember has a DLink DIR-655. From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:58 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down linksys modems for backhauls Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: No! No! They have Comcast Cable and Century Link DSL. Normal stuff. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down The FBI setup a P2P server in North Korea with the Sony movie as the only download. LOL Travis On 12/22/2014 2:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: What did we do? Lol. How did we do it ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
Re: [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs
I never bought into the 6 AP clusters with bare APs, too expensive. But if people are giving away FSK radios, it could make economic sense, especially as a replacement for an omni. Assuming you have 3 channels to do ABCABC. From: Heith Petersen via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs Well, I am in pretty poor shape. I have several APs with 60 plus that I am slowly chipping away at. I just converted a 70 sub omni to 3 panels and, though I didn’t have huge gains, at least those users think they have better speeds. But I am sure at 23 subs per im still killing my self. We have some P8 10 meg BHs on the shelf that the boss wont scrap out just in case we need them. At some time hes gotto let go From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs Before I’d sell them for $20, I think I’d find a micropop scenario to redeploy them. Hey, I still have FSK APs with 20-30 subs on them. Some places JAB has twice that. From: Heith Petersen via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs Did you check WSG? They offered me $20 per to by my p9 and above, so maybe they sell theirs for $35. I am still trying to find someone to buy mine off me From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] WTB a few FSK 100 5.7 SMs If you have a couple you could sell me I'd appreciate it. Just need a few spares. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8786 - Release Date: 12/22/14 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8789 - Release Date: 12/22/14
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
Does your sweatlodge have stadium seating and big screen TV? I assume it is solar powered? From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack Cool, I was thinking of doing a sweatlodge one of the evenings too... From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack i want in on this, Ill come to AF for peyote On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Depends on the Mormon, I prefer peyote, 3D HiFi visions, ping time to heaven is in the nanoseconds... From: Jason Petrillo via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 5:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack Chuck, I didn’t think Mormons drank… J Jason From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack I heard that Rev Al and Dennis Rodman shot a porno flick with Kim Jong Un and then he got wet feet during post production and sent Dennis and Rev Al into Sony HQ to delete the copy. While the worm was attempting to guess the Sony root password (123456) they got drunk and ACCIDENTALLY shared some files with the rest of the world. They are sorry and Kim Jong is not returning their calls anymore. So it is a big mistake, nothing to see here. Please move along. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack The two big problems with the tinfoil theories like that and the ones I come up with as well are the domestic terrorism issue, that wont go away, somebody will end up dead. The other is Al Sharpton, nobody, for any reason under the sun would open that can. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the gov't and the media industry before. What if Sony is developing a new Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases. What better way to get it started than to have to use it in a way that does not anger theater owners. 'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way, because someone threatened you if we show it at your movie theater' And then, if it completely fails, they can point their finger to North Korea who 'Forced them to have to do it this way' They get to try something new without having ANYONE upset with them. Oh, except maybe Seth Rogan. Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International travel' as part of the perks? On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to want to take on that sort of liability. -- From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors. Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data, imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic with a 9mm, thats alot of liability. A leak of the movie would be great, they can make their money on DMCA suits On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten that... I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers though? Not the most threatening demographic from that standpoint... On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got some credible threat to act like this. Tushar On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to The Interview. Isn't that tantamount to
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
I knew there’d be an app for that if I Googled it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.oranginalplan.weaphonesfreehl=en From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF After open carry is allowed, what device moves to the other side? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:26:29 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF On belt is only way in Texas...just on other side of knife in pocket is kinda of sissified.Ducking under my coffee mug Jaime Solorza On Dec 21, 2014 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment. Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry). *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I put mine in my pocket all the time. If I even thought about using the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass me mercilessly! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets. On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did you try and/or considered 6 plus? I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for reading). Tushar On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it. It was a little big at first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back. The only reason I say it's big is because sometimes it's hard to use one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen. Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my pocket etc. We use ATT because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO. Sean On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
Three decisions: carrier, phone, plan. As far as phone, there are some things you really can’t choose for someone else unless you know them very well. Like I would buy a desktop computer for someone else, but not a laptop. Or clothes or a camera or a car. Like my wife loves her rusting 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan, but will not drive my 2014 Subaru Forester XT, not sure why, I think she doesn’t like the color. If I needed a new phone, I would probably get a Moto X or Droid Turbo. My son would get a Samsung Note 4. My wife has an itty bitty Verizon prepaid not-the-least-bit-smart-phone about the size of a peanut, I don’t think it’s even on the website. We call it the Zoolander phone (if you haven’t seen the movie you are going huh?) Teenage girls and young women seem partial to something along the lines of an iPhone 5C, definitely not black and not a phablet but needs a good camera for selfies. I can’t vouch for what my daughter prefers since she lives in Maine and is lucky to get phone reception (and to not hit a moose with her car). From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan).So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated.
[AFMUG] OT - tools for Xmas
I went today to a place here called Berland's House of Tools that carries serious, manly tools for professionals. I try to avoid going to Berland's because you could easily drop $1000 there if you bring your credit cards. Luckily my cards are maxed out and I only got a few things I actually needed. At least they are in an industrial park and nowhere near a mall. You do not want to drive anywhere near a mall until Dec. 26. But I did see some cool new items if you're shopping for presents for your install vans. Like these Milwaukee HollowCore nut driver sets that can be used on all-thread and have hex shafts you can take a wrench to: SAE set: http://www.milwaukeetool.com/hand-tools/screwdrivers/48-22-2507 metric set: http://www.milwaukeetool.com/hand-tools/screwdrivers/48-22-2517 And Klein has some hollow shaft 1/4” impact driver sockets in 7/8, 1/2 and 9/16 size, including models with 5 and 10 inch long shafts: http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/power-tool-accessories/power-nut-drivers I needed a replacement for my favorite Bahco brand diagonal cutters, which I see are made in Spain now rather than Sweden, we’ll see if the quality is the same. Also needed some long bellhanger bits. I avoided walking through the whole store or I would have found more cool things. I was tempted by the adjustable 310 lumen LED flashlights at the checkout, similar to these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BOV9QD6
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA14-353A
From: Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 2:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
Kinda what I thought...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 20, 2014 3:41 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Maybe it is a plot perpetrated by Sony to cut out the theaters.
The demand for the banned movie will be off the charts, because everyone
will want to see what they've been censored from.
Pay per view, or video on demand, or even DVD/blue ray all seem viable to me.
Will take a movie that might have made $100 million up into the multi-hundred
million category.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/20/2014 12:26 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
It's not such a crazy idea anymore
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30559169
Sony Pictures says it is looking at different ways to release The Interview
after scrapping its opening following a cyber-attack blamed on North Korea.
Without theatres, we could not release it in the theatres on Christmas
Day. We had no choice, the statement added.
It is still our hope that anyone who wants to see this movie will get the
opportunity to do so.
See, New distribution without theater owners, and they can't get upset.
On 12/19/2014 6:45 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Wait, Rodman is a Mormon?� I thought he was fined $50K for insulting
Mormons back in the day.
�
I was kind of hoping he would stay over in N. Korea with his buddy Un,
the only person on the planet who thinks of him as a basketball player, not a
washed up buffoon.� But N. Korea is stuck in 1950, so the Worm must seem like
a basketball star from 45 years in the future.� I still can’t believe that
idiot was on the same team with MJ.
�
�
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 6:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
�
Depends on the Mormon, I prefer peyote, 3D HiFi visions, ping time to
heaven is in the nanoseconds...
�
�
From: Jason Petrillo via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 5:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
�
Chuck,
������������� I didn’t think Mormons drank…
�
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
�
I heard that Rev Al and Dennis Rodman shot a porno flick with Kim Jong Un
and then he got wet feet during post production and sent Dennis and Rev Al into
Sony HQ to delete the copy.� While the worm was attempting to guess the Sony
root password (123456) they got drunk and ACCIDENTALLY shared some files with
the rest of� the world.� They are sorry and Kim Jong is not returning their
calls anymore.�� So it is a big mistake, nothing to see here.� Please
move along.�
�
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
�
The two big problems with the tinfoil theories like that and the ones I
come up with as well are the domestic terrorism issue, that wont go away,
somebody will end up dead. The other is Al Sharpton, nobody, for any reason
under the sun would open that can.
�
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced
that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the gov't
and the media industry before.� What if Sony is developing a new
Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases.� What better way to
get it started than to have to use it in a way that does not anger theater
owners.� 'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way, because someone
threatened you if we show it at your movie theater'� And then, if it
completely fails, they can point their finger to North Korea who 'Forced them
to have to do it this way'� They get to try something new without having
ANYONE upset with them.� Oh, except maybe Seth Rogan.
Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International
travel' as part of the perks?
On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to
want to take on that sort of liability.
ï
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
You can watch the Taiwanese animated news version now:
https://www.youtube.com/user/NMAWorldEdition
Even after all the publicity, I wouldn’t want to watch this movie. Seth Rogen
reminds me too much of the teenage kids who spend all their time playing online
games and telling their parents to call and complain about the Internet being
slow.
From: Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
I can't imagine why they wouldn't release that way... what are they going to
do, threaten to blow up a Redbox? I suspect it will do extremely well after all
this publicity...
From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 2:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
Kinda what I thought...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 20, 2014 3:41 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Maybe it is a plot perpetrated by Sony to cut out the theaters.
The demand for the banned movie will be off the charts, because everyone
will want to see what they've been censored from.
Pay per view, or video on demand, or even DVD/blue ray all seem viable to me.
Will take a movie that might have made $100 million up into the multi-hundred
million category.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/20/2014 12:26 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
It's not such a crazy idea anymore
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30559169
Sony Pictures says it is looking at different ways to release The Interview
after scrapping its opening following a cyber-attack blamed on North Korea.
Without theatres, we could not release it in the theatres on Christmas
Day. We had no choice, the statement added.
It is still our hope that anyone who wants to see this movie will get the
opportunity to do so.
See, New distribution without theater owners, and they can't get upset.
On 12/19/2014 6:45 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Wait, Rodman is a Mormon?� I thought he was fined $50K for insulting
Mormons back in the day.
�
I was kind of hoping he would stay over in N. Korea with his buddy Un,
the only person on the planet who thinks of him as a basketball player, not a
washed up buffoon.� But N. Korea is stuck in 1950, so the Worm must seem like
a basketball star from 45 years in the future.� I still can’t believe that
idiot was on the same team with MJ.
�
�
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 6:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
�
Depends on the Mormon, I prefer peyote, 3D HiFi visions, ping time to
heaven is in the nanoseconds...
�
�
From: Jason Petrillo via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 5:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
�
Chuck,
������������� I didn’t think Mormons drank…
�
J
�
�
Jason
�
�
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
�
I heard that Rev Al and Dennis Rodman shot a porno flick with Kim Jong Un
and then he got wet feet during post production and sent Dennis and Rev Al into
Sony HQ to delete the copy.� While the worm was attempting to guess the Sony
root password (123456) they got drunk and ACCIDENTALLY shared some files with
the rest of� the world.� They are sorry and Kim Jong is not returning their
calls anymore.�� So it is a big mistake, nothing to see here.� Please
move along.�
�
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
�
The two big problems with the tinfoil theories like that and the ones I
come up with as well are the domestic terrorism issue, that wont go away,
somebody will end up dead. The other is Al Sharpton, nobody, for any reason
under the sun would open that can.
�
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced
that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the gov't
and the media industry before.� What if Sony is developing a new
Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases.� What better way to
get it started than to have to use it in a way that does
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Probably you hire 3 people who are all better at their assigned tasks than you were, and now the challenge is cross-training so the show doesn’t stop when someone is out sick or on vacation. The other thing is at some point, as a one man band, you will end up wanting to kill customers unless you are just the nicest, most patient person on earth. That’s why you need salespeople and tech support people and installers and accounts receivable clerks to deal with them. Because it’s hard to see the big picture and move a business forward if you hate customers because they are such needy jerks, not to mention liars and deadbeats. You can do it for X many years but then you need someone else to deal with them or they will just peck you to death and stop your brain from working. From: Jeremy via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy Yeah, I'm sure it has to do with scale. I am a one man band. I think when it comes time to hire my replacement I am going to be very disappointed to find that it takes three men to do my job. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have Josh differentiating between site survey and install skill levels. Then we have Jeremy saying installers should also do NOC tasks. So we have a pretty wide range of opinions on the matter. I’m guessing it’s a matter of scale? Once you grow to a certain size, it’s more efficient to have people specialize. Also easier to fill positions if everyone doesn’t have to be good at everything. Comcast takes this to the Nth degree. If you have a Comcast business install done, various contractors will arrive with very specialized tasks. The guy who measures, the guy who digs holes, the guy who mounts boxes, the guy who runs cable, the guy who hooks up modems, etc. From: Jeremy via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy If an installer cannot program a radio and align it without help from the NOC then he is not a very good installer. I program and align in under 15 minutes with my Nexus 7 while I am sitting on the roof. If an installer messes up the config or the IP, make them go back and fix it! What happened to accountability? On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We sometimes have a tough time just scheduling the customer to be home once for the install, much less twice. Especially now that it is dark at 4:30pm. Do you have crews working weekends or something? Also with different crews for site surveys than installs, I assume you have a lot of these every day. I would have a hard time planning routes for separate site survey and install crews that don’t involve a lot of redundant driving, our area is very spread out, getting to a customer site is typically 10-20 miles and sometimes more. Currently if a site survey is needed, I’ll try to get an installer to do it on the way to/from another install in the same area. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy Multiple crews with vastly different skill levels. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/18/2014 07:06 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Why do you make two trips??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 11:03 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We either send out a site survey crew to talk to the customer, plan mounting position, cable run, and verify service level the customer wants -- then send out a setup crew a few days later with pre-provisioned gear and pictures of everything.. Or we do a site/survey setup, with a nbm5-25, rm5+RG30, single angle tripod, tripod, 5/10 ft poles, u arms, nbem2, rm2+rd, and maybe a few scattered nanostations. Our office takes care of provisioning everybody out in our traffic shaper, dhcp, any custom routes, etc in about 10 minutes (general office staff). Some of that stuff will change as we continue to move forward with powercode + procera though. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/18/2014 05:38 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Even at a much lower install per day rate than Mark’s, I sometimes have an installer out with 3 different radios for a given install. This week we had one that was going to be either 450 in 3.65, 450 in 5.7, or FSK in 2.4. Meanwhile I’m at another site with my laptop playing the role of the NOC guy. I am logged into the sessions page of the APs, waiting for a new session to pop up at the bottom of the list. When that happens, I check the signal and run a linktest. If the numbers look good, I tell the installer when he calls, meanwhile I’m putting an IP address on the new SM, putting
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Yeah, but you want to be the distributor so you only have to deal with the
pushers, not directly with the addicts. I suppose eventually the pushers
get on your nerves too, so you start your own meth lab or grow house so you
only have to deal with distributors.
Or you could write an app like Uber and become a billionaire, while not not
employing any of the people driving their own cars pretending they are
taxis. That's the future, write an app, live in the cloud, become a
billionaire, avoid all those annoying customers and employees and vendors
that make you sad.
Or you grow your WISP to the point you sell out to a big company, and now
the addicts miss you and are sorry they made you sad.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
They are the addicts. We are the pushers. I know addict behavior when
I see it.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/19/2014 8:43 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Because it’s hard to see the big picture and move a business forward if
you hate customers because they are such needy jerks, not to mention liars
and deadbeats.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
I think you’re hearing hoofbeats and thinking zebras. From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the gov't and the media industry before. What if Sony is developing a new Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases. What better way to get it started than to have to use it in a way that does not anger theater owners. 'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way, because someone threatened you if we show it at your movie theater' And then, if it completely fails, they can point their finger to North Korea who 'Forced them to have to do it this way' They get to try something new without having ANYONE upset with them. Oh, except maybe Seth Rogan. Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International travel' as part of the perks? On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to want to take on that sort of liability. -- From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors. Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data, imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic with a 9mm, thats alot of liability. A leak of the movie would be great, they can make their money on DMCA suits On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten that... I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers though? Not the most threatening demographic from that standpoint... On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got some credible threat to act like this. Tushar On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to The Interview. Isn't that tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist? On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of it). The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel Wifi connection in china somewhere. How were they able to transfer that much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped? Did the hotel have a blazing fast network? Something with getting that amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
By one pipe in, I think that means N. Korea relies on China for its connection
to the Internet. But that doesn’t mean the whole country has one T1 line to
the Internet. The average person may not have high speed Internet, but the
military probably does, including its computer school and large cyberwarfare
unit.
Also there are reports N. Korea has “cyberwarriors” in other countries at its
beck and call, kind of like sleeper cells. Also that this was a practice run
for attacks against S. Korean and US infrastructure like power plants.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/19/us-sony-cybersecurity-northkorea-idUSKBN0JX0JW20141219
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
Interesting theory.� But...
I feel that internet access in NK is so poor, that it almost defies logic that
someone from inside NK actually pulled this off.� I heard one white-hat guy
saying there is only one pipe in; and it's not that big of a pipe to begin with.
I think there is probably someone on the inside of Sony (who may have some
sort of Korean ties) that was offended by the movie, and did something on the
down-low to enable Korean buddies to perpetrate this hack.
I'm also offended that the media is making this some kind of US government
issue.� The government was not a target of this hack; Sony was.� In case
anyone didn't notice, I think that Sony is still a Japanese company.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/19/2014 10:28 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced that
NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the gov't and
the media industry before.� What if Sony is developing a new Distribution
system to bypass theaters with new releases.� What better way to get it
started than to have to use it in a way that does not anger theater owners.�
'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way, because someone threatened you
if we show it at your movie theater'� And then, if it completely fails, they
can point their finger to North Korea who 'Forced them to have to do it this
way'� They get to try something new without having ANYONE upset with them.�
Oh, except maybe Seth Rogan.
Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International travel' as
part of the perks?
On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to want
to take on that sort of liability.
�
From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the
mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired
hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors.
Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data,
imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic with a 9mm,
thats alot of liability.
A leak of the movie would be great, they can make their money on DMCA
suits
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten that...
I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible.
�
--
From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers though? Not
the most threatening demographic from that standpoint...
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got some
credible threat to act like this.
Tushar
On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony
capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to The Interview.� Isn't that
tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist?
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but
it sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
it).� The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel Wifi
connection in china somewhere.� How were they able to transfer that much data
in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and
Re: [AFMUG] The PGE smart meter takeover of 900Mhz band, now in Tmobile 5ghz band style
The scenario that has me scratching my head is customer using T-Mobile handset in his house 10 feet from his 802.11ac router and 1 mile from the T-Mobile LTE tower. I guess they are assuming in this case the handset has switched to WiFi except for voice calls. But the comments in the article about 5 GHz LTE and WiFi co-existing seem to ignore that WiFi transmitters are everywhere as you walk down the street, while the LTE towers are a few miles apart, so from an interference standpoint they are not on an equal footing. Also the article talks about handsets with this feature about a year from now. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The PGE smart meter takeover of 900Mhz band, now in Tmobile 5ghz band style That doesn’t look good From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] The PGE smart meter takeover of 900Mhz band, now in Tmobile 5ghz band style I assume everyone saw this today: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/12/t-mobile-to-offer-lte-over-5ghz-wi-fi-airwaves-to-boost-data-rates/ Really bad news for any WISP with TMobile in their region. Could be our tragedy of the commons in 5Ghz. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] MT reboot
I wonder if all these 4 and 8 camera plus DVR systems you see at places like Costco trace back to the same manufacturer in China. I had a customer install a Q-See camera system that seemed to cause huge traffic to the cloud, it was saturating their upstream for no apparent reason. I also did not like that it apparently used UPnP to open port 85 on the router with a web server that wanted you to install a .exe. -Original Message- From: cstanners--- via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MT reboot Does the DVR do automatic uPNP port forwarding? May be triggering a MT bug? --Original Message-- From: Travis Johnson via Af Sender: Af To: af@afmug.com ReplyTo: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] MT reboot Sent: Dec 18, 2014 4:11 PM Hi, We are having a strange issue with a Mikrotik x86 based router (v5.26 OS). We have already replaced the entire hardware with brand new (including power supply). The issue is the MT box will just randomly reboot with no error messages or warning, with uptimes ranging from 30 minutes to 2 hours. The entire problem started when we purchased a Zmodo NVR (it's a security camera DVR system that uses PoE cameras, running Linux) and plugged it into the Cisco switch that then connects to the MT. This is a very basic setup. Internet connection on ether1, inside NAT'd connections on ether2. Anyone ever seen anything like this? Any ideas? Torch doesn't show anything strange. Travis
Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives
The problem with continuing to offer a service to legacy customers, that no new customers have signed up for in years, is one day you realize you have 100% high maintenance customers. The only people left in the building are the ones who can’t find their way out. From: SmarterBroadband via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives We are the same, however we have a lot of emails from the past. We are also thinking of dropping email. Too many of our help desk calls are email. Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives we stopped offering it unless someone really bugs us about it. Just tell them to get a gmail or yahoo account or host their own domain...time to move past 1998. one less thing to deal with :-) On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Today, more than half of me says to get rid of email. We currently offer it, have a low take rate, and those that take it don't use it. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hopefully no one subscribes to the AFMUG list. I am at 4.28 gigs just for this account. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 3 gig total, more can be purchased. Just what comes with it, it’s a combined across all mailboxes, so no its not store everything forever. Spam control is the same system we use, just like any system, works great most of the time, lets some things though and in spurts just like anything else. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives How good is spam control? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives 3 gig total or 3 gig per box? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:30:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives WE do 1000 mailboxes 3 gig of storage, your own management interface to add, change etc, plus filtering for 79.99 a month. That would be .08 per mailbox.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives Received the email from Virtacore that they now have a solution for us to migrate to. .50 a box seems a bit high doesn't it? What alternatives are out there for a reliable hosted solution? Here is the mail: Dear Valued Partner, Thank you for your continued business. As your trusted provider of Cloud services, we strive to bring you great solutions for the best value. Since Google has announced the end-of-life of their Google Apps for Service Provider hosted email platform that you purchased through Virtacore, we have worked to find an alternate best in class solution to meet your hosted email needs. We pride ourselves on your satisfaction with our service. To assist you with business continuity, we have chosen a product that provides your customers with the following: ● Reliable mail platform with mailboxes that have up to 7GB of storage ● Best in class spam solution ● Private email platform to ensure your ends users’ security ● Elegant webmail interface with modern design We are excited to introduce to you Virtacore’s new hosted email solution! Our new platform is architected using the industry-leading Zimbra email and collaboration platform, which will meet all of your needs today and continues to evolve to ensure that we meet all of your needs in the future. We hope that you are as excited as we are, and look forward to working with you and hosting your email on our new platform. As the Google platform will end-of-life in July of 2015, we would like to get started on getting you set up on the new platform right away. Our team is working on a transition schedule that will start in Q1 2015 and end in Q2 2015. In order to normalize pricing across the new enterprise platform, we are also introducing a $0.50/account/month (or $100/month minimum) service for our standard mail service
Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable
You might find cable grips in the Klein tools display in the electrical section at Home Depot, but an electrical supply house (or online) will have more choices of size and type. From: joseph marsh via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable I don't have the grips. And is this available at home depot or Lowes? On Dec 15, 2014 8:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Muletape is reusable. It has footage markers on it. I like to use a light weight string with a baggie on the end. Suck it through with a vacuum cleaner. Then pull back the muletape. Use that for pulling the cable. Do you have the grips/socks chinese finger pull devices to grab the cable? Much better than a series of half hitches that get hung up on everything. From: joseph marsh via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 7:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable What's The best for a pull string. I thought about using a1/4 inch rope. Is this OK or not ? First time doing this
Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable
Price of mule tape varies quite a bit depending on pull strength, also whether
there are foot markings.
From: joseph marsh via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable
Not bad on eBay 35 bucks. For 500 ft of mule tape
On Dec 15, 2014 9:37 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Or were rescued from trucks by concerned citizens
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/15/2014 7:27 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
we ended up getting our mule tape off ebay, drastically lower cost when you
buy things that fell of trucks
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
On 12/15/14, 6:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
You might find cable grips in the Klein tools display in the electrical
section at Home Depot, but an electrical supply house (or online) will
have more choices of size and type.
Yeah they should have a couple small ones. I've never seen mule tape
there though.
~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-6-channel-switch-closure-input/ From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists?
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
How many things do you want to monitor per site, and what equipment do you already have there? I misunderstood that you had several things to monitor per site. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Yeah, too big. Physically. Looking for a single port device, hopefully the same size as a jump drive. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-6-channel-switch-closure-input/ From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists?
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
Problem is, unless you have POE on the Ethernet switch port, how is the device supposed to get power? USB would be easier that way because it provides power. There are lots of solutions to do what you want, but typically to monitor a handful of things and need a power supply and not as small or cheap as you probably want. For example, one tower we lease at has a device called a Web600 for alarms. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry One. For example, if I had a small device, about the same size as a jump drive, plugged into an unused ethernet port. It could send a trap or be pollable when a condition changed. Such as a door opening or the power going out. I have done the relay on the ethernet port before. That is OK if you actually go take a look at the switch to see if it is up or down. Some managed switches can even send a trap. But I want something more generic with a TCP/IP stack in it. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry How many things do you want to monitor per site, and what equipment do you already have there? I misunderstood that you had several things to monitor per site. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Yeah, too big. Physically. Looking for a single port device, hopefully the same size as a jump drive. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-6-channel-switch-closure-input/ From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists?
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Maybe he’s assuming in a few years quantum entanglement or faster-then-light
neutrinos will make them obsolete?
I see more PCNs than physical links. Abusing the system to call dibs on towers
and frequencies. Most of the PCNs I see are actually renewals, that way they
can tie up the coordinated path without starting the construction deadline
clock ticking.
From: Jon Langeler via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
What happens in a few years?
-Jon
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:11 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I use them to make a KML of all the HFT links that are going to be sitting
there on the towers doing nothing in a few years.
On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
We get them all the time too. I just scan them to see if they are in the
same county as our stuff (and they usually are not). But I filter them all to
a PCN folder so they aren't clogging up my inbox.
You get it if (I think) you are within 150 miles on the same frequency with
one of your licenses.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/15/2014 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Sorry Tim...Liz and all the other frequency coordinators here. I know
it is not your fault.
You get a few licensed links up and pretty soon you are inundated with
notices.
The one time I complained about a link, nothing happened at all.
So, as far as I am concerned, they are a welfare plan designed by the
federal government to employ postal workers.
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
They go directly to the trash.
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these
things, some of which are a state away.
What is the criteria for sending these things out?
What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc
to see if it looks like it will cause issues?
whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or
the applicant frequency coordinator?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] what was the name of the software that recorded NetFlix
Playlater, Audials? Haven’t used either, just results in a Google search. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] what was the name of the software that recorded NetFlix Someone posted it but I can’t find it. I would really appreciate reposting it. Thanks. Rory
[AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined. Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st century.
Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined, otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing. There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though. I worked with a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke. I went to school with a Jerry Ferry. Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads a lot of software from Cambium’s website. From: Craig House via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover From: Jon Bruce via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain. On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from. Like I.P. Freely. Seymour Butts juvenile stuff. Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It took me a moment... From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) My favorite is Chuck U. Farley Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined. Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st century.
Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
That reminds me, I have a customer Lori Ann Dicks, she married Don Head, and
yes she hyphenated her name to Lori Ann Dicks-Head.
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
I used to work with a guy named Lyle Head. When he his wife had a son, they
named him, no kidding, Fred Head.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/13/2014 1:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined,
otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing.
There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though. I worked with
a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke. I went
to school with a Jerry Ferry. Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads a lot of
software from Cambium’s website.
From: Craig House via Af
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover
--
From: Jon Bruce via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain.
On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:
I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from. Like I.P.
Freely. Seymour Butts juvenile stuff.
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
It took me a moment...
From: Jaime Solorza via Af
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
My favorite is Chuck U. Farley
Jaime Solorza
On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined.
Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the
21st century.
Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
I’m actually glad you mentioned that, I got a new customer a couple weeks back and he said his name was Guadalupe Vasquez and I wondered if he was giving me his wife’s name or something. I always though Guadalupe was a girl’s name. Or just Lupe. I guess it’s the Spanish version of the boy named Sue? From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:50 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) It was amusing his name was D Cline and card declined. Names are a funny thing ...many Mexican families name boys with Guadalupe which is traditionally a girls name. Kids are mean. Kid name was Abundio but they called him Fundio. Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 4:37 PM, Hardy, Tim via Af af@afmug.com wrote: An actual OB Gyn here in NOVA - Dr. Harry C. Beaver http://www.wellness.com/dir/2471590/obgyn/va/fairfax/harry-beaver-md%23referrer Sent from my iPad On Dec 13, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote: And I heard somewhere that the owner of the lear jet company who's last name was Lear named his daughter Chanda Craig From: Craig House via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:20:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) My last name is House. When my son was on the way my wife and I were discussing names for him. She suggested Porter. She was serious until I made her say his whole name out loud. Craig From: Ben Wirch via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 4:14:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) I have a Brenda Titsworth as a sub. On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined, otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing. There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though. I worked with a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke. I went to school with a Jerry Ferry. Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads a lot of software from Cambium’s website. From: Craig House via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover -- From: Jon Bruce via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain. On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from. Like I.P. Freely. Seymour Butts juvenile stuff. Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It took me a moment... From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) My favorite is Chuck U. Farley Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined. Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st century.
Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
So why Jose/Pepe and Francisco/Paco/Pancho? Hah, that made me remember watching The Cisco Kid on TV long ago. Probably considered offensive today, like Speedy Gonzalez? I liked it when I was a kid. Trivia question: what were the names of Cisco and Pancho’s horses? From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 6:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) Because John is his dad's name? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Dec 13, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Lupe is nickname for Guadalupe. The one I could never figure is how Jack is nickname for John. Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 4:59 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m actually glad you mentioned that, I got a new customer a couple weeks back and he said his name was Guadalupe Vasquez and I wondered if he was giving me his wife’s name or something. I always though Guadalupe was a girl’s name. Or just Lupe. I guess it’s the Spanish version of the boy named Sue? From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:50 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) It was amusing his name was D Cline and card declined. Names are a funny thing ...many Mexican families name boys with Guadalupe which is traditionally a girls name. Kids are mean. Kid name was Abundio but they called him Fundio. Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 4:37 PM, Hardy, Tim via Af af@afmug.com wrote: An actual OB Gyn here in NOVA - Dr. Harry C. Beaver http://www.wellness.com/dir/2471590/obgyn/va/fairfax/harry-beaver-md%23referrer Sent from my iPad On Dec 13, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote: And I heard somewhere that the owner of the lear jet company who's last name was Lear named his daughter Chanda Craig From: Craig House via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:20:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) My last name is House. When my son was on the way my wife and I were discussing names for him. She suggested Porter. She was serious until I made her say his whole name out loud. Craig From: Ben Wirch via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 4:14:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) I have a Brenda Titsworth as a sub. On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined, otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing. There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though. I worked with a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke. I went to school with a Jerry Ferry. Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads a lot of software from Cambium’s website. From: Craig House via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover -- From: Jon Bruce via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain. On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from. Like I.P. Freely. Seymour Butts juvenile stuff. Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It took me a moment... From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) My favorite is Chuck U. Farley Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined. Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st century.
Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and you should be into a deep, deep null. Take a look at the beamwidth or pattern for your antenna. It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz. We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it. The beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right. He ketp getting nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Weve never gone above 2' we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels. This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path. We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this scenario. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
Yeah, it was so considerate of ATT to leave that dish up there when they sold off the site, only needed to be re-aimed about 2 degrees to go where we wanted. And they built a platform to stand on while aiming it, that was awfully nice of them. And they left the flexible waveguide down to the shelter. I’d really hate to think about hanging a new 12 ft dish ourselves and running waveguide to it. And it’s an Andrew parabolic, not the old WE horns, so we don’t have to worry about water getting into the waveguide and freezing. It doesn’t even look like anyone has been using the lightning bolt logo for target practice. Life is good when someone abandons nice stuff you can use. From: Hardy, Tim via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths HPBW for a 12 ft dish at 11.2 GHz is 0.5 degree. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and you should be into a deep, deep null. Take a look at the beamwidth or pattern for your antenna. It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz. We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it. The beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right. He ketp getting nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths Weve never gone above 2' we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels. This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path. We did a little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this scenario. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
Nah, you want one of these: http://gizmodo.com/this-google-android-billboard-in-times-square-is-freaki-1663246037 From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Having a monitor like that would be good for a NOC like environment. Big screen, tons of information. Network maps, graphs, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:56:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
There’s some kind of disconnect when something that needs 25 Mbps per device is being marketed as mainstream, and the FCC just decided that 10x1 is the minimum Internet speed for CAF funding. Unless we’re finally willing to admit that 4K televisions and 25M live streaming are a luxury and you need to either live in a major metro area with fiber or cable, or spend a lot for your Internet connection, or be satisfied with mere FHD instead of UHD. It’s great to drive bandwidth consumption, as long as people don’t expect it for free or minimal premium. It’s kind of a perception thing. UHD looks maybe 2 or 3 times as good as SD, but uses 15 times the bandwidth. So people expect to pay a premium based on how good it looks, not how much bandwidth it consumes, in fact they don’t even want to pay that because they’re used to supersizing their fries and drink for an extra buck. (note that fries and drinks have huge markups) It will make a little more sense when physical media exist that can hold a 4K movie. Doesn’t it seem strange that Netflix is just giddy that you have to live stream 4K because it is so huge it won’t fit on a disc? It would sure be nice if people could adjust their expectations, and applications come out, so that you watch broadcast 4K either via cable or satellite, or else you download it overnight and watch it the next day. Rather than click and live stream the on-demand content now. I think this is a big opportunity for companies like DISH who control content and a set top box, to download content to the DVR at less than live stream speed overnight, for viewing the next day, it would give them an advantage over Netflix which can’t sell you anything that doesn’t fit through your pipe. I mean come on, people, if you really have to watch a movie right now, would it kill you to watch it in 1080p? - no waiting - amazing quality - cheap - available everywhere pick 3. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K iMovix shot the Ryder Cup in UHD It’s coming. I suspect we will see some further incremental improvements in CODECs but I see this as a good thing, nothing drives bandwidth capacity improvements like content J From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds? Is there still that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds? That seemed a bit shady. Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to the Einsteins. Cops seems to like bagels at all hours. Probably because SLC doesn’t seem to have donuts. Mmmm, bagels. Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the biggest danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a little crazy. Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a pistol in their waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was on the news. From: Brett A Mansfield via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. -- From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
You’re talking about the “Gen II”, right? That’s the 450 compatible one. I have only compared spec sheets. Looks like 90 degrees is at 3 dB points, while Cambium is more like 5-6 dB. No null fill. 2 degrees downtilt. No bracket to hold AP papoose style. Otherwise similar specwise. KPP also lists a 120 degree sector, the spec sheet is a disaster though. Numbers say 2.4 GHz, pattern is ugly, F/B ratio is bad, not sure if it’s bad editing or what. The numbers and patterns on the 90 look good though, except for no null fill, and make sure tower guy knows there is already 2 degrees downtilt, it’s a pretty narrow vertical beam so you don’t want to double up on downtilt. I have only used the Cambium sector, other than the N connectors are in a mildly annoying location, I like them. Neither antenna is cheap. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector I expect it's like Mike Tyson vs an infant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 4:04 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector
I see what you’re talking about. It’s not dramatic, but I would think the best thing would be for the two polarizations to have almost identical patterns. Not sure what to make of the gain vs freq graph which shows more like 15 dBi rather than 16.5 dBi. I think we all suspect that with most antennas, the specs are more “typical” than guaranteed, except for certain high end brands. That might be the deciding difference, unless someone has actual side-by-side field results, I believe the Cambium antennas are per spec. Not saying the KPP ones aren’t. But like people have said about the 900 sectors, you probably lose a dB or two compared to MTI or Til-tek. That said, the last 900 sector I bought was a KPP, it is half the size of the other monsters. But in this case, the Cambium sector with the bracket to hold the 450 AP probably wins out in the mechanical department. From: Kade Sullivan via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector The -3 vs -6 is exactly what I was refering to. When you look closely at the antenna pattern of the KP antenna, it just looks like they pushed each polarity farther away from each other in relation to the cambium antenna. This makes the lobes come out a bit farther and spec out as -3 instead of -6. If you look at each polarity individually, they are more like the -6 cambium sector. This is why I feel like in the real world, there is no advantage. I am no RF engineer though, so this is just what I could determine by looking at the patterns overlapped. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You’re talking about the “Gen II”, right? That’s the 450 compatible one. I have only compared spec sheets. Looks like 90 degrees is at 3 dB points, while Cambium is more like 5-6 dB. No null fill. 2 degrees downtilt. No bracket to hold AP papoose style. Otherwise similar specwise. KPP also lists a 120 degree sector, the spec sheet is a disaster though. Numbers say 2.4 GHz, pattern is ugly, F/B ratio is bad, not sure if it’s bad editing or what. The numbers and patterns on the 90 look good though, except for no null fill, and make sure tower guy knows there is already 2 degrees downtilt, it’s a pretty narrow vertical beam so you don’t want to double up on downtilt. I have only used the Cambium sector, other than the N connectors are in a mildly annoying location, I like them. Neither antenna is cheap. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 90 Degree 3.6GHZ Sector I expect it's like Mike Tyson vs an infant. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 12, 2014 4:04 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone compared the KP 90 degree 3.6GHZ sector with the Cambium for use with 450?
Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s
Minimum vector error numbers are awful. Have you used the diagnostic plotter (or SNMP) to graph vector error and modulation vs time? You may have a time varying interference problem. From: Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s I’m diagnosing a slow throughput PTP500 link remotely. This link’s real-world capacity is only about 2mb/s. Attached is screenshots of the status page. Anything stick out as weird or wrong? It was on 15mb/s channels, I tried 10mb/s – there’s plenty of clean spectrum. It’s not making sense to me that this is only able to move 2mb/s. Thanks, Scott
Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s
Vector error is basically signal to noise ratio, so yes 28 is good and 1.5 is really bad. I would still use the diagnostic plotter to look at vector error over time. It won’t tell you WHY it gets bad, but seeing WHEN it gets bad might help track it down. Or use MRTG/Cacti/etc. to plot the following OIDs: vector error: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.2.0 modulation: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.8.0 Modulation will be a number from 1-15 if I remember right, where 15 is the highest like 64QAM3/4 or whatever and 1 is BPSK. (why do I want to pronounce that “bupkis”?) From: Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 4:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s David/Ken- Thanks for the quick and helpful replies. From the manual: Vector Error The vector error measurement compares the received signal’s In phase / Quadrature (IQ) modulation characteristics to an ideal signal to determine the composite error vector magnitude. The results are stored in an histogram and expressed in dB and presented as: max, mean, min and latest. The max, min and latest are true instantaneous measurements; the mean is the mean of a set of one second means. The expected range for Vector Error would be approximately -1.5 dB (NLOS link operating at sensitivity limit on BPSK 0.50) to –28 dB (short LOS link running 64 QAM 0.83). See Section 7.3.1 “Histogram Data”. I interpret this paragraph that -28db is more desirable than -1.5db. Is that correct? If my min values are circa -28db and that’s bad, what would be an expected good value? I don’t think it’s a noise issue, I set the interference threshold to -63. Here’s each side’s SA. Remote side on bottom. I’d favor the pigtail has water intrusion. Thanks again, Scott From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 14:43 To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Scott, �Have a look at the slave side spectrum manager and see if there is some noise cropping up. If not then you may have some water in a pigtail or defective. Also, may want to do a site walk to see if the antennas may have moved due to weather or something in the path since it was installed. �More often then not the tale tale signature if a bad pig tail is the vector error is all over the place. These things usually dont have grey area when it comes to detailed informational tags like Limited by WIRELESS conditions Start with spectrum manager and see what it says then look at Diag plotter for unusual patterns in vector corrections. On 12/12/2014 03:54 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af wrote: I�m diagnosing a slow throughput PTP500 link remotely.� This link�s real-world capacity is only about 2mb/s.� Attached is screenshots of the status page.� Anything stick out as weird or wrong?� It was on 15mb/s channels, I tried 10mb/s � there�s plenty of clean spectrum.� It�s not making sense to me that this is only able to move 2mb/s. � Thanks, Scott � �
Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s
I don’t know, I haven’t experienced that problem. I guess start with whatever’s easiest. I should ask, is this 5.4 or 5.7? I’m not sure it would match the symptoms, but are you taking any DFS hits? If you use the Diagnostic Plotter to look at active channel history, do you see it switching channels? Also I’m confused because you have spikes where the vector error goes to zilch, but most of the time it is good. Also in your first set of screenshots, the current modulation was 64QAM. So are you seeing 2 Mbps all the time, or just during these “events”? If you are seeing 2 Mbps all the time, that seems strange. From: Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Ken- Thanks again. This link is not on our network and I don’t have access to SNMP it- here’s the diag plots- about what you expected? Would you concur pigtail replacement on slave side would be a good place to start? Thanks, Scott From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 15:09 To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Vector error is basically signal to noise ratio, so yes 28 is good and 1.5 is really bad. I would still use the diagnostic plotter to look at vector error over time. It won’t tell you WHY it gets bad, but seeing WHEN it gets bad might help track it down. Or use MRTG/Cacti/etc. to plot the following OIDs: vector error: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.2.0 modulation: 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.5.12.8.0 Modulation will be a number from 1-15 if I remember right, where 15 is the highest like 64QAM3/4 or whatever and 1 is BPSK. (why do I want to pronounce that “bupkis”?) From: Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 4:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s David/Ken- Thanks for the quick and helpful replies. From the manual: Vector Error The vector error measurement compares the received signal’s In phase / Quadrature (IQ) modulation characteristics to an ideal signal to determine the composite error vector magnitude. The results are stored in an histogram and expressed in dB and presented as: max, mean, min and latest. The max, min and latest are true instantaneous measurements; the mean is the mean of a set of one second means. The expected range for Vector Error would be approximately -1.5 dB (NLOS link operating at sensitivity limit on BPSK 0.50) to –28 dB (short LOS link running 64 QAM 0.83). See Section 7.3.1 “Histogram Data”. I interpret this paragraph that -28db is more desirable than -1.5db. Is that correct? If my min values are circa -28db and that’s bad, what would be an expected good value? I don’t think it’s a noise issue, I set the interference threshold to -63. Here’s each side’s SA. Remote side on bottom. I’d favor the pigtail has water intrusion. Thanks again, Scott From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 14:43 To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500 does 2mb/s Scott, �Have a look at the slave side spectrum manager and see if there is some noise cropping up. If not then you may have some water in a pigtail or defective. Also, may want to do a site walk to see if the antennas may have moved due to weather or something in the path since it was installed. �More often then not the tale tale signature if a bad pig tail is the vector error is all over the place. These things usually dont have grey area when it comes to detailed informational tags like Limited by WIRELESS conditions Start with spectrum manager and see what it says then look at Diag plotter for unusual patterns in vector corrections. On 12/12/2014 03:54 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af wrote: I�m diagnosing a slow throughput PTP500 link remotely.� This link�s real-world capacity is only about 2mb/s.� Attached is screenshots of the status page.� Anything stick out as weird or wrong?� It was on 15mb/s channels, I tried 10mb/s � there�s plenty of clean spectrum.� It�s not making sense to me that this is only able to move 2mb/s. � Thanks, Scott � �
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Chuck probably has one of those 96 inch 8K televisions. I saw a report on the
LG 8K TV at some show saying it was still old technology because it was LCD not
OLED.
The real story will probably be that if 4K TVs are now affordable, 1080p TVs
are probably VERY affordable. Hence the people putting them in every room of
the house, streaming Netflix. Even the bathroom. So you can watch while
making popcorn.
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to
straighten up, right?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i
honestly don't even...
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Ghering via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's
under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week.
I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will
stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will
support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont
offer that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the
subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we
can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run?
and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind
of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would
figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick
in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these
streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their
licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any
quality), they would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage
space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail...
so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2.
Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U
device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for
a while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it
works on the built in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Richardson via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.
Lovely
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
I don’t disagree, but it presents some marketing and tech support issues dealing with customers. If 4K streaming requires 25M as Netflix says, that’s around 15 times what SD requires and 6 times what HD (720p) requires. I don’t think customers think of it that way, and they certainly don’t want to pay 6 or 15 times as much, more like 1.5X or 2X if anything. Add this to the trend of having 2, 3, 5 or more streams going at once and in their head it’s a binary thing, can I stream on your service or can’t I? As someone posted the other day, 6M does not mean 6M per device. I already get a fair amount of calls from people either watching Netflix while others in the house are watching Youtube, or they are watching streams on their Apple TV or via Amazon or Hulu that take more bandwidth than Netflix. In some cases I think those services are optimized for download and watch later rather than live streaming. You’d think people would observe Netflix works but Vudu doesn’t, and blame it on the streaming service. But everything these days is “my Internet is slow”. I had someone yesterday who had managed to both turn off WiFi on their router and unplug the Internet cable, but the reported problem was “my Internet is slow”. Add in the binary choice “can I stream or can’t I”, and I think we need some really good talking points and phone support scripts to explain to people why they need to upgrade to a higher more expensive plan, rather than saying I used to be able to stream Netflix SD, now I can’t stream 4K, you need to send someone out to fix my Internet connection, it doesn’t work like it used to, I’m not getting what I’m paying for. As far as pricing, my rule of thumb is price goes up as the square root of bandwidth, so 2X speed is around 1.4X price. But that would make 15X speed around 4X price, which I think is fair, but customers will think is outrageous. From their perspective, 4K is incrementally better looking than SD, plus everyone knows additional bandwidth costs ISPs next to nothing. This is gonna take some slick marketing. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I’m looking at this as the reason to raise prices. I don’t see a downside but I don’t have towers. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to straighten up, right? From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i honestly don't even... - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know. It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week. I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is going to make for an ugly christmas season. If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer that speed currently but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind of afraid of the girl. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not appear to be rocket science. From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know. I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for free. It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK. Travis On 12/9/2014 7:00
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Hot dog machine? You have one of the machines with the rolling tubes like at the Kwik-E-Mart? Or a vintage Presto Weenie Electrocuter? That would seem to be more your style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St2USEfQxZU From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I would make popcorn there but right across from the bathroom is a kitchen with popcorn maker and hot dog machine. I need to put a TV in the kitchen too. I can seat 24 easily. I have 9 recliner couches on stadium seating. Nice room for the Superbowl. I do need a 4 K projector I think... The rest of the basement isn’t finished, and actually I still have trim and painting and a tiny bit of drywall to do for the TV room. But it is 99% done. Probably will not finish it until I am ready to sell the house Isn’t that the way you normally do things? From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I think we've established that you do make popcorn in the bathroom... or at least Ken does. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. But you don't make popcorn in the bathroom... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 11, 2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck probably has one of those 96 inch 8K televisions. I saw a report on the LG 8K TV at some show saying it was still old technology because it was LCD not OLED. The real story will probably be that if 4K TVs are now affordable, 1080p TVs are probably VERY affordable. Hence the people putting them in every room of the house, streaming Netflix. Even the bathroom. So you can watch while making popcorn. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to straighten up, right? From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i honestly don't even... - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know. It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week. I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is going to make for an ugly christmas season. If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer that speed currently but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind of afraid of the girl. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not appear to be rocket science. From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know. I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for free. It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK. Travis On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer. -- bp part
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
So you need to convince LG to sell you one of these. Or several.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJa-MDdBwTY
Apparently one problem is a lack of cameras that can actually shoot at 8K
resolution. I think I read that NHK in Japan has spent a billion dollars so
far on 8K technology.
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Arrgh, still cannot count. 6 couches total. Three levels, two couches per
level. I need to learn to stop bragging.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
OK, 9 couches total.
None in the bathroom.
I did have a 3 holer (outhouse) when I was a kid. Bathroom was for baths and
laundry only...
Outhouse was out the back door and up the hill by the bunk house.
No paint on the house. Retired work horses in the pasture. My youth was in
black and white. Grapes of wrath type of stuff. I had no clue as a kid ...
From: James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Wow! 9 couches in the bathroom and 24 of them in the TV room?!
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
24 couches in the TV room.
From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Are we still talking about reclining toilets or are we talking some different
measure of 24 holes for your best buddies?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:14:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
24 holer, for your best buddies...
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
Amazonstreaming4Know.
That is some swank bathroom.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/11/2014 7:59 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
I can seat 24 easily. I have 9 recliner couches on stadium seating.
Nice room for the Superbowl. I do need a 4 K projector I think...
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Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Not that simple, most CDNs don’t even have reverse DNS, and even if they do, you have to know that 1e100.net is Google or llnw.net is Limelight Networks. But seriously, reverse DNS is becoming useless on the Internet. Only hope is to look up who the IP block is allocated to. I’m also seeing a lot of CDNs open anywhere from 4-10 TCP connections, and not just different port numbers, they can be all different IP addresses for one stream. It would take a fair bit of smarts to do more than identify Susie’s iPad. Even doing a manual analysis, I give up, how am I to know what content is coming from Level3 or AWS Cloudfront? It’s like knowing a customer went to a certain grocery store, you don’t know if they bought milk or orange juice, much less what brand. Now if Procera would provide a probe that goes on a Mikrotik SOHO router, pulls the info back, analyzes it maybe once a minute, and then makes the information available to the end customer via a webpage with login, they would really have something. Not sure you could cost justify it though. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. That's a good first step, but I'd like it to display Top Hosts or something like that where it does a name lookup (DNS, SNMP, etc.) and aggregates the top ten things in torch by host? Right now Susie's-iPad is using |---this---| much. Go tell her to do her homework. Take the iPad away. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:02:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. That's the only reason I like the LCD on the RB2011. I am currently using several as demarcs for commercial customers. I have the touchscreen portion disabled and locked to showing the wan port throughout. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/11/2014 07:06 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: We need tools to allow the customer to see what is happening in their house. Call support. Your service is slow? What does your XYZ utility say is happening now? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:29:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I don’t disagree, but it presents some marketing and tech support issues dealing with customers. If 4K streaming requires 25M as Netflix says, that’s around 15 times what SD requires and 6 times what HD (720p) requires. I don’t think customers think of it that way, and they certainly don’t want to pay 6 or 15 times as much, more like 1.5X or 2X if anything. Add this to the trend of having 2, 3, 5 or more streams going at once and in their head it’s a binary thing, can I stream on your service or can’t I? As someone posted the other day, 6M does not mean 6M per device. I already get a fair amount of calls from people either watching Netflix while others in the house are watching Youtube, or they are watching streams on their Apple TV or via Amazon or Hulu that take more bandwidth than Netflix. In some cases I think those services are optimized for download and watch later rather than live streaming. You’d think people would observe Netflix works but Vudu doesn’t, and blame it on the streaming service. But everything these days is “my Internet is slow”. I had someone yesterday who had managed to both turn off WiFi on their router and unplug the Internet cable, but the reported problem was “my Internet is slow”. Add in the binary choice “can I stream or can’t I”, and I think we need some really good talking points and phone support scripts to explain to people why they need to upgrade to a higher more expensive plan, rather than saying I used to be able to stream Netflix SD, now I can’t stream 4K, you need to send someone out to fix my Internet connection, it doesn’t work like it used to, I’m not getting what I’m paying for. As far as pricing, my rule of thumb is price goes up as the square root of bandwidth, so 2X speed is around 1.4X price. But that would make 15X speed around 4X price, which I think is fair, but customers will think is outrageous. From their perspective, 4K is incrementally better looking than SD, plus everyone knows additional bandwidth costs ISPs next to nothing. This is gonna take some slick marketing. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
You hit the side to get the little ferrite bead on the flyback transformer to
stop singing at 15 kHz and making the dog howl.
From: Jerry Head via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
I cut my hand on the side of my TV today doing thatdamned thing is too thin!
On 12/11/2014 8:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to
straighten up, right?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is.
i honestly don't even...
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Ghering via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming4Know.
It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand
4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week.
I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will
stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will
support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont
offer that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and
the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything
we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable
run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im
kind of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would
figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not
stick in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these
streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their
licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any
quality), they would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of
storage space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full
retail... so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less
than $2. Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a
TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around
for a while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it
works on the built in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Richardson via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.
Lovely
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Ghering via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.
http://www.cnet.com/news
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
I’m not so worried about 4K as I am that this will be the year we get hit with
the transition from one Netflix stream to everybody in the house streaming
video at the same time and people don’t understand why they used to be able to
stream video and now they can’t. I’m already seeing it.
I love the people who swear they don’t stream video at all, just Youtube and
Facetime and on-demand on the satellite TV and some video on the Xbox and the
new smart TV and a couple Rokus and some Facebook videos on the iPad, but no
streaming going on here.
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer
that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the
subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we
can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run?
and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind
of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they
could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would
figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick in
a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these streaming
services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their licensing
deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any quality), they
would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage
space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail...
so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2.
Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U
device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for a
while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it works on
the built in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.
Lovely
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via
Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
4K now.
http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/
--
Ryan Ghering
Network Operations - Plains.Net
Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. --
IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.Amazon streaming4Know.
Now imagine a 4K toilet.
From: Paul Conlin via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.Amazon streaming4Know.
Don’t you hate when someone flushes the toilet when you are in the shower?
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
Ohh we see that now as well. Customer with a 6 meg package calls in, Yea the
net is slow I'm not getting my bandwidth I go look at they have a constant
traffic stream of 5.8 meg day in and day out for months. I ask, do you have
young kids at home? yup, but all they are doing is watching netflix cartoons,
and my wife just watch's stuff on her ipad shouldn't use that much bandwidth.
What will it take to teach customers that its not 6 meg PER DEVICE.. lol
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I’m not so worried about 4K as I am that this will be the year we get hit with
the transition from one Netflix stream to everybody in the house streaming
video at the same time and people don’t understand why they used to be able to
stream video and now they can’t. I’m already seeing it.
I love the people who swear they don’t stream video at all, just Youtube and
Facetime and on-demand on the satellite TV and some video on the Xbox and the
new smart TV and a couple Rokus and some Facebook videos on the iPad, but no
streaming going on here.
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer
that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the
subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we
can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run?
and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind
of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they
could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would figure
out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick in a
32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--bppart {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/9/2014 4:50
PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these streaming
services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their licensing
deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any quality), they
would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage
space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail...
so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2.
Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U
device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for a
while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it works on
the built in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.
Lovely
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all ourbandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
Interesting the different approaches to water and Internet usage. The
government actually mandates 1.6 gallon low-flush toilets. That’s why your
pipes are big enough, you probably have LFT’s.
Now imagine if every year you needed bigger toilets (I don’t like to think
about why). So you would upgrade to 720p toilets, then 1080p toilets, and now
4K toilets, with 8K on the horizon. And imagine that the government thought it
was un-American to have a low flush toilet, when people in Copenhagen and
Singapore and Seoul have giant turd flushing machines. And they wanted to
subsidize building bigger pipes, and make it illegal to charge for water by the
gallon, all to promote gigantic toilets that will support the economy and the
education of our children. Not sure how to extend the metaphor to net
neutrality or paid prioritization, I guess no matter what you were flushing, it
would have to flush equally fast, even during Superbowl halftime.
Don’t get me going on the government banning incandescent lightbulbs.
From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all ourbandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
No. I have big enough pipes where it doesn't matter. Turn on all of the sinks
and flush all of the toilets. No noticeable impact. ;-)
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.Amazon
streaming4Know.
Don’t you hate when someone flushes the toilet when you are in the shower?
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
Ohh we see that now as well. Customer with a 6 meg package calls in, Yea the
net is slow I'm not getting my bandwidth I go look at they have a constant
traffic stream of 5.8 meg day in and day out for months. I ask, do you have
young kids at home? yup, but all they are doing is watching netflix cartoons,
and my wife just watch's stuff on her ipad shouldn't use that much bandwidth.
What will it take to teach customers that its not 6 meg PER DEVICE.. lol
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I’m not so worried about 4K as I am that this will be the year we get hit with
the transition from one Netflix stream to everybody in the house streaming
video at the same time and people don’t understand why they used to be able to
stream video and now they can’t. I’m already seeing it.
I love the people who swear they don’t stream video at all, just Youtube and
Facetime and on-demand on the satellite TV and some video on the Xbox and the
new smart TV and a couple Rokus and some Facebook videos on the iPad, but no
streaming going on here.
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer
that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the
subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we
can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run?
and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind
of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they
could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would figure
out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick in a
32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--bppart {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/9/2014 4:50
PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these streaming
services can't
