Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Chuck McCown]

Fiber in helped to install in 1990 is as good as the day it went in the ground. 
 So 26 years and counting.  I’ll bet it will be good at the 50 year mark and 
probably the 100 year mark.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?


The other huge thing about fiber is that properly done singlemode, assuming it 
does not become physically damaged, is almost infinitely future proof... What 
you install now could be in use in 30 years.


If you pull 9/125 G.657.A1 to a rooftop now for a 1 Gbps link and terminate it 
properly in a small patch panel in a weatherproof rooftop box, someday in the 
future you can upgrade to a 10Gbps radio. 

If you were crazy enough to haul a router with a 100 Gbps interface onto your 
roof you could connect it over the same two strands of singlemode. At reach 
distances of < 1 km of fiber from MPOE to roof (or tower) a 4 x 25 Gbps CWDM 
signal is easy. 


Whereas if you pull really expensive special cat6 cable to a roof or up a 
tower, good luck ever using that with 10GBaseT (and I really do NOT see high 
capacity PTP radio manufacturers ever releasing a 10GBaseT radio, they're going 
with SFP+ for optical instead, thankfully).



On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Trey Scarborough <t...@3dsc.co> wrote:

  The only time I have really seen the need is the larger diameter cable helps 
with longer runs of cable especially with POE. As others have said though I am 
starting especially on backhaul to do all fiber. It is cheaper easier to 
weatherproof. If it gets water in the jacket and you have it spliced and 
terminated outside your cabinet then water drains out. Plus you don't have to 
worry about blown router/switch ports anymore.

  I prefer the Primus Cable Cat6 they also have connectors that are a great 
deal like UBNT ones and have a special insert that lines the wires up to the 
pins.

  Trey

  On 8/2/2016 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Agreed. I'm just using ToughCable until the gear I use starts accepting
SFPs.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
    *Sent: *Monday, July 25, 2016 12:57:51 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables
(48 port switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can also help with near
end crosstalk. Can also help with POE if you're used to shitty cat5/e
with small gauge wire. Also is good for short 10G runs.

That said, most WISPs aren't in any of those situations, and if you are
and it's possible, fiber is often a much better solution.

TLDR: stick to tough cable or similar


On Jul 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com
<mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:

I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would
start using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).

It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my
RJ45 ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A
connectors (that have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I
will need a new crimper that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A
connector.

Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some
ToughCable and basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally
equivalent.


Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was
worth it?

-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Mike Hammett]

IIRC, Sprint completed trials of 400G super-channels on a several hundred 
kilometer segment of their initial network build. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 12:23:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e? 





The other huge thing about fiber is that properly done singlemode, assuming it 
does not become physically damaged, is almost infinitely future proof... What 
you install now could be in use in 30 years. 

If you pull 9/125 G.657.A1 to a rooftop now for a 1 Gbps link and terminate it 
properly in a small patch panel in a weatherproof rooftop box, someday in the 
future you can upgrade to a 10Gbps radio. 

If you were crazy enough to haul a router with a 100 Gbps interface onto your 
roof you could connect it over the same two strands of singlemode. At reach 
distances of < 1 km of fiber from MPOE to roof (or tower) a 4 x 25 Gbps CWDM 
signal is easy. 

Whereas if you pull really expensive special cat6 cable to a roof or up a 
tower, good luck ever using that with 10GBaseT (and I really do NOT see high 
capacity PTP radio manufacturers ever releasing a 10GBaseT radio, they're going 
with SFP+ for optical instead, thankfully). 






On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Trey Scarborough < t...@3dsc.co > wrote: 


The only time I have really seen the need is the larger diameter cable helps 
with longer runs of cable especially with POE. As others have said though I am 
starting especially on backhaul to do all fiber. It is cheaper easier to 
weatherproof. If it gets water in the jacket and you have it spliced and 
terminated outside your cabinet then water drains out. Plus you don't have to 
worry about blown router/switch ports anymore. 

I prefer the Primus Cable Cat6 they also have connectors that are a great deal 
like UBNT ones and have a special insert that lines the wires up to the pins. 

Trey 

On 8/2/2016 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 


Agreed. I'm just using ToughCable until the gear I use starts accepting 
SFPs. 



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*From: *"Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
*To: * af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, July 25, 2016 12:57:51 PM 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e? 

Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables 
(48 port switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can also help with near 
end crosstalk. Can also help with POE if you're used to shitty cat5/e 
with small gauge wire. Also is good for short 10G runs. 

That said, most WISPs aren't in any of those situations, and if you are 
and it's possible, fiber is often a much better solution. 

TLDR: stick to tough cable or similar 


On Jul 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "Christopher Gray" < cg...@graytechsoftware.com 
> wrote: 

I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would 
start using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested). 

It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my 
RJ45 ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A 
connectors (that have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I 
will need a new crimper that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A 
connector. 

Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some 
ToughCable and basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally 
equivalent. 


Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was 
worth it? 

-Chris 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Eric Kuhnke]

The other huge thing about fiber is that properly done singlemode, assuming
it does not become physically damaged, is almost infinitely future proof...
What you install now could be in use in 30 years.

If you pull 9/125 G.657.A1 to a rooftop now for a 1 Gbps link and terminate
it properly in a small patch panel in a weatherproof rooftop box, someday
in the future you can upgrade to a 10Gbps radio.

If you were crazy enough to haul a router with a 100 Gbps interface onto
your roof you could connect it over the same two strands of singlemode. At
reach distances of < 1 km of fiber from MPOE to roof (or tower) a 4 x 25
Gbps CWDM signal is easy.

Whereas if you pull really expensive special cat6 cable to a roof or up a
tower, good luck ever using that with 10GBaseT (and I really do *NOT* see
high capacity PTP radio manufacturers ever releasing a 10GBaseT radio,
they're going with SFP+ for optical instead, thankfully).


On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Trey Scarborough <t...@3dsc.co> wrote:

> The only time I have really seen the need is the larger diameter cable
> helps with longer runs of cable especially with POE. As others have said
> though I am starting especially on backhaul to do all fiber. It is cheaper
> easier to weatherproof. If it gets water in the jacket and you have it
> spliced and terminated outside your cabinet then water drains out. Plus you
> don't have to worry about blown router/switch ports anymore.
>
> I prefer the Primus Cable Cat6 they also have connectors that are a great
> deal like UBNT ones and have a special insert that lines the wires up to
> the pins.
>
> Trey
>
> On 8/2/2016 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I'm just using ToughCable until the gear I use starts accepting
>> SFPs.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><
>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> ----
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 25, 2016 12:57:51 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?
>>
>> Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables
>> (48 port switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can also help with near
>> end crosstalk. Can also help with POE if you're used to shitty cat5/e
>> with small gauge wire. Also is good for short 10G runs.
>>
>> That said, most WISPs aren't in any of those situations, and if you are
>> and it's possible, fiber is often a much better solution.
>>
>> TLDR: stick to tough cable or similar
>>
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com
>> <mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would
>> start using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).
>>
>> It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my
>> RJ45 ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A
>> connectors (that have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I
>> will need a new crimper that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A
>> connector.
>>
>> Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some
>> ToughCable and basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally
>> equivalent.
>>
>>
>> Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was
>> worth it?
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Trey Scarborough]

The only time I have really seen the need is the larger diameter cable 
helps with longer runs of cable especially with POE. As others have said 
though I am starting especially on backhaul to do all fiber. It is 
cheaper easier to weatherproof. If it gets water in the jacket and you 
have it spliced and terminated outside your cabinet then water drains 
out. Plus you don't have to worry about blown router/switch ports anymore.


I prefer the Primus Cable Cat6 they also have connectors that are a 
great deal like UBNT ones and have a special insert that lines the wires 
up to the pins.


Trey

On 8/2/2016 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Agreed. I'm just using ToughCable until the gear I use starts accepting
SFPs.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, July 25, 2016 12:57:51 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables
(48 port switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can also help with near
end crosstalk. Can also help with POE if you're used to shitty cat5/e
with small gauge wire. Also is good for short 10G runs.

That said, most WISPs aren't in any of those situations, and if you are
and it's possible, fiber is often a much better solution.

TLDR: stick to tough cable or similar


On Jul 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com
<mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:

I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would
start using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).

It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my
RJ45 ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A
connectors (that have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I
will need a new crimper that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A
connector.

Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some
ToughCable and basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally
equivalent.


Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was
worth it?

-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Mike Hammett]

Agreed. I'm just using ToughCable until the gear I use starts accepting SFPs. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:57:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e? 


Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables (48 port 
switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can also help with near end crosstalk. 
Can also help with POE if you're used to shitty cat5/e with small gauge wire. 
Also is good for short 10G runs. 
That said, most WISPs aren't in any of those situations, and if you are and 
it's possible, fiber is often a much better solution. 
TLDR: stick to tough cable or similar 


On Jul 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "Christopher Gray" < cg...@graytechsoftware.com > 
wrote: 



I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would start using 
Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested). 


It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45 ends, and 
the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A connectors (that have a 
staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I will need a new crimper that does 
not crush the shield on the Cat6A connector. 


Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable and basic 
shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent. 




Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was worth it? 


-Chris 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

Chris,

I am using the Shireen Double Shielded Cat6 on my towers and really like it.

We use the following connector. Platinum Tools 106190. We are using our 
standard crimps with it and have had no problems with the cable 
certifying correctly first time. The crimps are the standard ones from 
Skywalker.


Gilbert



On 7/25/2016 10:54 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:
I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would 
start using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).


It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45 
ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A 
connectors (that have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I 
will need a new crimper that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A 
connector.


Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable 
and basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent.



Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was 
worth it?


-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Big cost difference between cat6 UTP which can be $125/box (305 meters/1000
ft) and cat6a which is $350/box and the jacks/patch panels are 3x to 4x as
expensive. Doing cat6a "sort of" guarantees it'll work at 10GBaseT, but
from an ISP perspective 10GBaseT is a silly idea.

Bulk 9/125 two strand G.657.A1 fiber can be $0.12/meter (305 meters/1000 ft
= $36). Not in such small quantities but if you're buying 4000-5000 ft,
sure.



On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> It depends. Each situation is different.
>
> For example, those who had 6/6A installed in office complexes to
> replace cat5/5e or in "Greenfield" will be okay as there is currently
> 1/2.5/5/10Gbps over copper, with 25 (and I think 50Gbps?) on the
> horizon using that cabling. No need to rewire the whole building for
> many years to come.
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
> > I agree, I haven't ever been able to see a legit need for cat6. GigE
> works
> > perfectly fine with cat5e, and if you anticipate needing anything beyond
> > that, it's stupid to not just go straight to fiber. I've thought about
> using
> > Cat6 on towers with long runs so there'd be less voltage drop on PoE,
> but I
> > came to the conclusion that we'd be better off running a separate cable
> for
> > DC if that was a concern.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not in my opinion. You can accomplish all you need with copper up to
> 1Gbps
> >> with 5e. You need to go faster or farther, you can go to fiber.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/25/2016 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I really dislike CAT 6.  Is there a legit need for the stuff?
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Josh Reynolds]

It depends. Each situation is different.

For example, those who had 6/6A installed in office complexes to
replace cat5/5e or in "Greenfield" will be okay as there is currently
1/2.5/5/10Gbps over copper, with 25 (and I think 50Gbps?) on the
horizon using that cabling. No need to rewire the whole building for
many years to come.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> I agree, I haven't ever been able to see a legit need for cat6. GigE works
> perfectly fine with cat5e, and if you anticipate needing anything beyond
> that, it's stupid to not just go straight to fiber. I've thought about using
> Cat6 on towers with long runs so there'd be less voltage drop on PoE, but I
> came to the conclusion that we'd be better off running a separate cable for
> DC if that was a concern.
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Not in my opinion. You can accomplish all you need with copper up to 1Gbps
>> with 5e. You need to go faster or farther, you can go to fiber.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/2016 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> I really dislike CAT 6.  Is there a legit need for the stuff?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Mathew Howard]

I agree, I haven't ever been able to see a legit need for cat6. GigE works
perfectly fine with cat5e, and if you anticipate needing anything beyond
that, it's stupid to not just go straight to fiber. I've thought about
using Cat6 on towers with long runs so there'd be less voltage drop on PoE,
but I came to the conclusion that we'd be better off running a separate
cable for DC if that was a concern.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Not in my opinion. You can accomplish all you need with copper up to 1Gbps
> with 5e. You need to go faster or farther, you can go to fiber.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/25/2016 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> I really dislike CAT 6.  Is there a legit need for the stuff?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[George Skorup]

We made an oops with this stuff. We normally run 13 cables for all new 
towers and retrofits. Did one recently with 1-1/4" conduit up a grain 
leg. 13 cables didn't exactly fit, but we persuaded it with lots of lube 
because it wasn't worth tearing it all out and starting over. So those 
cables are pretty much permanent now.


On 7/25/2016 5:12 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
We've started using DC-1042 for all our tower cable as well, and I'm 
pretty happy with it so far. I really don't see the point in using cat6.


On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:04 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I have no problems with GigE over 5e. Shireen DC-1042 shielded dry
gel tape is our preferred tower cable. We use Primus shielded
plugs and the conductors fit the channels fine. The cable diameter
is a little bigger due to the gel tape, but it fits in the plug
body even with the foil turned over and pulled back to make
contact with the tongue.

On 7/25/2016 12:54 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:

I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I
would start using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).

It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my
RJ45 ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at
Cat6A connectors (that have a staggered insert and a full
shield). Next, I will need a new crimper that does not crush the
shield on the Cat6A connector.

Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some
ToughCable and basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be
functionally equivalent.


Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6
was worth it?

-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Jay Weekley]

Last I heard there was a 10 gig standard for Cat5 up to 40 meters.

Bill Prince wrote:
Not in my opinion. You can accomplish all you need with copper up to 
1Gbps with 5e. You need to go faster or farther, you can go to fiber.



bp


On 7/25/2016 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I really dislike CAT 6.  Is there a legit need for the stuff?

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

Pulled that crap down many years ago and went back to Shireen 5e.  If needed, 
we use fiber.

 

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

 

I really dislike CAT 6.  Is there a legit need for the stuff?

 

From: Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:12 PM

To: af <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

 

We've started using DC-1042 for all our tower cable as well, and I'm pretty 
happy with it so far. I really don't see the point in using cat6.

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:04 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

I have no problems with GigE over 5e. Shireen DC-1042 shielded dry gel tape is 
our preferred tower cable. We use Primus shielded plugs and the conductors fit 
the channels fine. The cable diameter is a little bigger due to the gel tape, 
but it fits in the plug body even with the foil turned over and pulled back to 
make contact with the tongue.

On 7/25/2016 12:54 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:

I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would start using 
Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).  

 

It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45 ends, and 
the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A connectors (that have a 
staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I will need a new crimper that does 
not crush the shield on the Cat6A connector. 

 

Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable and basic 
shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent.

 

 

Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was worth it?

 

-Chris

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Bill Prince]

Not in my opinion. You can accomplish all you need with copper up to 
1Gbps with 5e. You need to go faster or farther, you can go to fiber.



bp


On 7/25/2016 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I really dislike CAT 6.  Is there a legit need for the stuff?

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Chuck McCown]

I really dislike CAT 6.  Is there a legit need for the stuff?

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:12 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

We've started using DC-1042 for all our tower cable as well, and I'm pretty 
happy with it so far. I really don't see the point in using cat6.


On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:04 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

  I have no problems with GigE over 5e. Shireen DC-1042 shielded dry gel tape 
is our preferred tower cable. We use Primus shielded plugs and the conductors 
fit the channels fine. The cable diameter is a little bigger due to the gel 
tape, but it fits in the plug body even with the foil turned over and pulled 
back to make contact with the tongue.


  On 7/25/2016 12:54 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:

I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would start 
using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).  

It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45 ends, 
and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A connectors (that have 
a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I will need a new crimper that 
does not crush the shield on the Cat6A connector. 

Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable and 
basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent.


Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was worth 
it?

-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Mathew Howard]

We've started using DC-1042 for all our tower cable as well, and I'm pretty
happy with it so far. I really don't see the point in using cat6.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:04 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I have no problems with GigE over 5e. Shireen DC-1042 shielded dry gel
> tape is our preferred tower cable. We use Primus shielded plugs and the
> conductors fit the channels fine. The cable diameter is a little bigger due
> to the gel tape, but it fits in the plug body even with the foil turned
> over and pulled back to make contact with the tongue.
>
> On 7/25/2016 12:54 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
>
> I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would start
> using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).
>
> It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45
> ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A connectors
> (that have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I will need a new
> crimper that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A connector.
>
> Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable and
> basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent.
>
>
> Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was worth
> it?
>
> -Chris
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[George Skorup]

I have no problems with GigE over 5e. Shireen DC-1042 shielded dry gel 
tape is our preferred tower cable. We use Primus shielded plugs and the 
conductors fit the channels fine. The cable diameter is a little bigger 
due to the gel tape, but it fits in the plug body even with the foil 
turned over and pulled back to make contact with the tongue.


On 7/25/2016 12:54 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would 
start using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).


It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45 
ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A 
connectors (that have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I 
will need a new crimper that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A 
connector.


Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable 
and basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent.



Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was 
worth it?


-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Adam Moffett]

Back when I didn't know any better I would pull on the CAT6 divider with 
a pair of pliers so it came out of the jacket a little, then clip it off 
with dikes and let it fall back into the jacket.  Without the extra 
width of the divider you can then crimp with a normal size plug.


I realize now that doing that might ruin the NEXT protection that the 
divider might have provided, so I would only do that in a bind.  I try 
to encourage 5e with customers because it's easier.  I tell them if they 
want gigE you should be able to do it with 5e.  If you want 10 gigE you 
should just cut to the chase and run fiber.




-- Original Message --
From: "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/25/2016 1:54:22 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would 
start using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).


It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45 
ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A 
connectors (that have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I 
will need a new crimper that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A 
connector.


Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable 
and basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent.



Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was 
worth it?


-Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Eric Kuhnke]

For indoor stuff regular 9/125 singlemode two strand is actually a lot less
in $/meter than many types of cat6, cat6a or cat7...  To the extent that
the cable itself to do 1310nm/LX 10Gb optical is 1/4 the cost per meter
than cat6a for 10GBaseT.

If a properly installed cat5e cable qualifies for 1000BaseT it should be
sufficient for most WISPs' purposes. Anything beyond that go to fiber.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables (48
> port switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can also help with near end
> crosstalk. Can also help with POE if you're used to shitty cat5/e with
> small gauge wire. Also is good for short 10G runs.
>
> That said, most WISPs aren't in any of those situations, and if you are
> and it's possible, fiber is often a much better solution.
>
> TLDR: stick to tough cable or similar
>
> On Jul 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
>
> I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would start
> using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).
>
> It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45
> ends, and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A connectors
> (that have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I will need a new
> crimper that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A connector.
>
> Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable and
> basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent.
>
>
> Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was worth
> it?
>
> -Chris
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Josh Reynolds]

Cat6/a has some nice anti-crosstalk features for large trays of cables (48
port switch or more, hundreds of runs, etc). Can also help with near end
crosstalk. Can also help with POE if you're used to shitty cat5/e with
small gauge wire. Also is good for short 10G runs.

That said, most WISPs aren't in any of those situations, and if you are and
it's possible, fiber is often a much better solution.

TLDR: stick to tough cable or similar

On Jul 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would start
using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).

It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45 ends,
and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A connectors (that
have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I will need a new crimper
that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A connector.

Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable and
basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent.


Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was worth
it?

-Chris

[AFMUG] Anyone Installing Cat6 / really thick Cat5e?

[Christopher Gray]

I just picked up some Shireen DC-2021 Cat6 cable, thinking I would start
using Cat6 for my Mimosa installations (as suggested).

It turns out, the individual insulation is too big for any of my RJ45 ends,
and the jacket is also too big. Now, I'm looking at Cat6A connectors (that
have a staggered insert and a full shield). Next, I will need a new crimper
that does not crush the shield on the Cat6A connector.

Anyhow, it seems like a lot of work to use Cat6 where some ToughCable and
basic shielded RJ45 connectors might be functionally equivalent.


Should I be seriously considering Cat6? When did you decide Cat6 was worth
it?

-Chris