Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-05 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Thanks for your help




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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From: Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Date: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 11:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>, 
Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

Yeah I know wholesale solar is not the best price but if you are starting from 
zero they are very helpful and knowledgeable.

You can for sure shop around.  I just know Gino is probably in a crunch and 
needs to get something going and their website had a mostly complete package of 
what I'd tell him to buy.

If you just buy panels, batteries and a charge controller you'll quickly learn 
that you need a lot more to make it safe to work on and monitor/manage.

Also it'd help a lot if we had the load size in watts.  But that probably 
varries by tower site quite a bit.  I know Our smallest tower is around 
100watts but our largest is over 1000watts.

Lastly Gino if you need boots on the ground to install the solar (or wireless) 
I can probably be available after nov 2nd.

-Sean


On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:32 PM Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Affordable solar can beat the price.

From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; g...@aeronetpr.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

Hey Gino,

Since you are probably limited by time i didn't want to hold things up while i 
dig up all the photos and schematics.  so to get you started i'd suggest a 
system like this:

https://www.wholesalesolar.com/1890130/wholesale-solar/complete-systems/1.04-kw-watt-telecom-off-grid-dc-24-48v

we use this supplier a lot and they are great to work with and their prices are 
decent.

they provide the schematics for how it all gets connected and if you get 5 
hours of sunlight per day (which you should in PR even on Dec 21st) then this 
system will power a 200W tower just fine.  if your tower uses 300W then just 
add 2 more panels (and another 30A breaker) and you can still use the same 
morning star 60A charge controller.  If your tower uses more than 300W then 
keep adding panels, charge controllers and Batts.

You'll need to add batteries, connecting cables  and another 80A breaker (for 
battery cutoff) to this parts list.  we use UB-4D AGM 200 ah 12 VDC Battery at 
our towers.  we usually have 12 of them at a site but we are in CO and in 
December we will go for 2 weeks without any sun (I doubt you have that issue).  
you could probably get away with 4-8 of them per tower.

the other item you want to add is this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-interface-for-morningstar-serial/
and this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-unit-ii/

the morning start controller does have an ethernet port but you can use SNMP to 
query the device and graph everything, you can only look at their stats page.  
it's much easier to do graphing and alerting with the packetflux devices.

***Be sure to fuse and breaker everything you can***  you want (and need) to be 
able to turn off all power coming from the panels or batts when you need to 
work on the system.  (that's what the 80A breaker in the parts list is for.)


for the load side of things you can use these fuse blocks.  they use the car 
style blade fuses you can get at any parts store or order online.

Qty.Stock#  Mfr. Part # Cust. Part #Price (USD) Total (USD)
2   
70169109<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169109>  
0801733 $5.740  $11.48
DIN Rail; Steel; Silver; 7.50 mm; 35 mm; 2 m
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

6   
70169386<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169386>  
0203250 $9.040  $54.24
Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

12  
70169605<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169605>  
3047167 $0.690  $8.28
Partition Plate; Term Blk; Gray; 50 mmL; 2 mm W; 48 mm H
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

40  
70169133<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169133>  
3118203 $9.910  $396.40
Conn; Term Blk; Fuse; 1; 2; 26-8AWG; 30A; 300V; 4kV; M4; 1.5Nm; Flat; 
PA; 10mm
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

40  
70169365<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169365>  
3004362 $0.960  $38.40
Conn; Term Blk; Feed Thru; Screw Clamp; 2; 
0.2-6sq.mm<http://0.2-6sq.mm>; 24-10 AWG; 6.2 mm W; Gray
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

4   
70169390<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=7

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
ou need help figuring all this out!
>>
>> also what i've described here is for a totally off grid site.  if you are
>> looking to grid tie in then that's a whole different beast.
>>
>> hope this all helps!
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com
>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Please
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on
>> behalf of Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:07 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?
>>
>> Hey Gino,
>>
>> We have 3 solar sites on our network. Let me know if you want me to
>> send pics, schematics and parts list so you don't have to re-invent
>> the wheel.
>>
>> - sean
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:49 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com
>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Any pointers?
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Robert 
A feature of those batteries is that at 123 pounds they aren't going to 
walk away very easily!!!


On 10/4/17 8:08 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Hey Gino,

Since you are probably limited by time i didn't want to hold things up 
while i dig up all the photos and schematics.  so to get you started i'd 
suggest a system like this:


https://www.wholesalesolar.com/1890130/wholesale-solar/complete-systems/1.04-kw-watt-telecom-off-grid-dc-24-48v

we use this supplier a lot and they are great to work with and their 
prices are decent.


they provide the schematics for how it all gets connected and if you get 
5 hours of sunlight per day (which you should in PR even on Dec 21st) 
then this system will power a 200W tower just fine.  if your tower uses 
300W then just add 2 more panels (and another 30A breaker) and you can 
still use the same morning star 60A charge controller.  If your tower 
uses more than 300W then keep adding panels, charge controllers and Batts.


You'll need to add batteries, connecting cables  and another 80A breaker 
(for battery cutoff) to this parts list.  we use UB-4D AGM 200 ah 12 VDC 
Battery at our towers.  we usually have 12 of them at a site but we are 
in CO and in December we will go for 2 weeks without any sun (I doubt 
you have that issue).  you could probably get away with 4-8 of them per 
tower.


the other item you want to add is this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-interface-for-morningstar-serial/
and this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-unit-ii/

the morning start controller does have an ethernet port but you can use 
SNMP to query the device and graph everything, you can only look at 
their stats page.  it's much easier to do graphing and alerting with the 
packetflux devices.


***Be sure to fuse and breaker everything you can***  you want (and 
need) to be able to turn off all power coming from the panels or batts 
when you need to work on the system.  (that's what the 80A breaker in 
the parts list is for.)



for the load side of things you can use these fuse blocks.  they use the 
car style blade fuses you can get at any parts store or order online.


*Qty.*  *Stock#**Mfr. Part #*   *Cust. Part #*  *Price (USD)*   *Total 
(USD)*
2	70169109 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169109> 
0801733		$5.740	$11.48

DIN Rail; Steel; Silver; 7.50 mm; 35 mm; 2 m
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
6	70169386 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169386> 
0203250		$9.040	$54.24

Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
12	70169605 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169605> 
3047167		$0.690	$8.28

Partition Plate; Term Blk; Gray; 50 mmL; 2 mm W; 48 mm H
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
40	70169133 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169133> 
3118203		$9.910	$396.40
	Conn; Term Blk; Fuse; 1; 2; 26-8AWG; 30A; 300V; 4kV; M4; 1.5Nm; Flat; 
PA; 10mm

*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
40	70169365 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169365> 
3004362		$0.960	$38.40
	Conn; Term Blk; Feed Thru; Screw Clamp; 2; 0.2-6sq.mm 
<http://0.2-6sq.mm>; 24-10 AWG; 6.2 mm W; Gray

*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
4	70169390 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169390> 
0203263		$11.880	$47.52

Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day



hit me up if you need help figuring all this out!

also what i've described here is for a totally off grid site.  if you 
are looking to grid tie in then that's a whole different beast.


hope this all helps!

-sean



On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:


Please

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on
behalf of Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:07 PM
    To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

Hey Gino,

We have 3 solar sites on our network. Let me know if you want me to
send pics, schematics and parts list so you don't have to re-invent
the wheel.

- sean

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:49 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Any pointers?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Robert 
They don't seem to have the MPPT-60 in stock and don't show prices 
unless you create an account.   B.


On 10/4/17 8:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Affordable solar can beat the price.
*From:* Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:08 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com ; g...@aeronetpr.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?
Hey Gino,
Since you are probably limited by time i didn't want to hold things up 
while i dig up all the photos and schematics.  so to get you started i'd 
suggest a system like this:

https://www.wholesalesolar.com/1890130/wholesale-solar/complete-systems/1.04-kw-watt-telecom-off-grid-dc-24-48v
we use this supplier a lot and they are great to work with and their 
prices are decent.
they provide the schematics for how it all gets connected and if you get 
5 hours of sunlight per day (which you should in PR even on Dec 21st) 
then this system will power a 200W tower just fine.  if your tower uses 
300W then just add 2 more panels (and another 30A breaker) and you can 
still use the same morning star 60A charge controller.  If your tower 
uses more than 300W then keep adding panels, charge controllers and Batts.
You'll need to add batteries, connecting cables  and another 80A breaker 
(for battery cutoff) to this parts list.  we use UB-4D AGM 200 ah 12 VDC 
Battery at our towers.  we usually have 12 of them at a site but we are 
in CO and in December we will go for 2 weeks without any sun (I doubt 
you have that issue).  you could probably get away with 4-8 of them per 
tower.

the other item you want to add is this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-interface-for-morningstar-serial/
and this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-unit-ii/
the morning start controller does have an ethernet port but you can use 
SNMP to query the device and graph everything, you can only look at 
their stats page.  it's much easier to do graphing and alerting with the 
packetflux devices.
***Be sure to fuse and breaker everything you can***  you want (and 
need) to be able to turn off all power coming from the panels or batts 
when you need to work on the system.  (that's what the 80A breaker in 
the parts list is for.)
for the load side of things you can use these fuse blocks.  they use the 
car style blade fuses you can get at any parts store or order online.
*Qty.* 	*Stock#* 	*Mfr. Part #* 	*Cust. Part #* 	*Price (USD)* 	*Total 
(USD)*
2 	70169109 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169109> 
0801733 		$5.740 	$11.48

DIN Rail; Steel; Silver; 7.50 mm; 35 mm; 2 m
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
6 	70169386 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169386> 
0203250 		$9.040 	$54.24

Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
12 	70169605 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169605> 
3047167 		$0.690 	$8.28

Partition Plate; Term Blk; Gray; 50 mmL; 2 mm W; 48 mm H
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
40 	70169133 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169133> 
3118203 		$9.910 	$396.40
	Conn; Term Blk; Fuse; 1; 2; 26-8AWG; 30A; 300V; 4kV; M4; 1.5Nm; Flat; 
PA; 10mm

*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
40 	70169365 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169365> 
3004362 		$0.960 	$38.40
	Conn; Term Blk; Feed Thru; Screw Clamp; 2; 0.2-6sq.mm 
<http://0.2-6sq.mm>; 24-10 AWG; 6.2 mm W; Gray

*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
4 	70169390 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169390> 
0203263 		$11.880 	$47.52

Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day

hit me up if you need help figuring all this out!
also what i've described here is for a totally off grid site.  if you 
are looking to grid tie in then that's a whole different beast.

hope this all helps!
-sean
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

Please
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?
Hey Gino,
We have 3 solar sites on our network. Let me know if you want me to
send pics, schematics and parts list so you don't have to re-invent
the wheel.
- sean

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:49 AM Gino A. Villarini
<g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

Any pointers?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Sean Heskett 
Yeah I know wholesale solar is not the best price but if you are starting
from zero they are very helpful and knowledgeable.

You can for sure shop around.  I just know Gino is probably in a crunch and
needs to get something going and their website had a mostly complete
package of what I'd tell him to buy.

If you just buy panels, batteries and a charge controller you'll quickly
learn that you need a lot more to make it safe to work on and
monitor/manage.

Also it'd help a lot if we had the load size in watts.  But that probably
varries by tower site quite a bit.  I know Our smallest tower is around
100watts but our largest is over 1000watts.

Lastly Gino if you need boots on the ground to install the solar (or
wireless) I can probably be available after nov 2nd.

-Sean


On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:32 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Affordable solar can beat the price.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; g...@aeronetpr.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?
>
> Hey Gino,
>
> Since you are probably limited by time i didn't want to hold things up
> while i dig up all the photos and schematics.  so to get you started i'd
> suggest a system like this:
>
>
> https://www.wholesalesolar.com/1890130/wholesale-solar/complete-systems/1.04-kw-watt-telecom-off-grid-dc-24-48v
>
> we use this supplier a lot and they are great to work with and their
> prices are decent.
>
> they provide the schematics for how it all gets connected and if you get 5
> hours of sunlight per day (which you should in PR even on Dec 21st) then
> this system will power a 200W tower just fine.  if your tower uses 300W
> then just add 2 more panels (and another 30A breaker) and you can still use
> the same morning star 60A charge controller.  If your tower uses more than
> 300W then keep adding panels, charge controllers and Batts.
>
> You'll need to add batteries, connecting cables  and another 80A breaker
> (for battery cutoff) to this parts list.  we use UB-4D AGM 200 ah 12 VDC
> Battery at our towers.  we usually have 12 of them at a site but we are in
> CO and in December we will go for 2 weeks without any sun (I doubt you have
> that issue).  you could probably get away with 4-8 of them per tower.
>
> the other item you want to add is this:
> http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-interface-for-morningstar-serial/
> and this:
> http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-unit-ii/
>
> the morning start controller does have an ethernet port but you can use
> SNMP to query the device and graph everything, you can only look at their
> stats page.  it's much easier to do graphing and alerting with the
> packetflux devices.
>
> ***Be sure to fuse and breaker everything you can***  you want (and need)
> to be able to turn off all power coming from the panels or batts when you
> need to work on the system.  (that's what the 80A breaker in the parts list
> is for.)
>
>
> for the load side of things you can use these fuse blocks.  they use the
> car style blade fuses you can get at any parts store or order online.
>
> *Qty.* *Stock#* *Mfr. Part #* *Cust. Part #* *Price (USD)* *Total (USD)*
> 2 70169109
> <http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169109> 0801733
> $5.740 $11.48
>   DIN Rail; Steel; Silver; 7.50 mm; 35 mm; 2 m
>   *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
> 6 70169386
> <http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169386> 0203250
> $9.040 $54.24
>   Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
>   *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
> 12 70169605
> <http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169605> 3047167
> $0.690 $8.28
>   Partition Plate; Term Blk; Gray; 50 mmL; 2 mm W; 48 mm H
>   *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
> 40 70169133
> <http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169133> 3118203
> $9.910 $396.40
>   Conn; Term Blk; Fuse; 1; 2; 26-8AWG; 30A; 300V; 4kV; M4; 1.5Nm; Flat;
> PA; 10mm
>   *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
> 40 70169365
> <http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169365> 3004362
> $0.960 $38.40
>   Conn; Term Blk; Feed Thru; Screw Clamp; 2; 0.2-6sq.mm; 24-10 AWG; 6.2
> mm W; Gray
>   *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
> 4 70169390
> <http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169390> 0203263
> $11.880 $47.52
>   Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
>   *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
>
>
> hit me up if you need help figuring all this out!
>
> also what i've described here is for a totally off grid site.  if you are
> looking to grid tie in then that's a whole different beast.
>
> hope this all helps!
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Robert 
There is a linux C library and code that will let you pull everything 
directly off the Morningstar.   You can get access to every data point 
that is available on the Morningstar PC app that works with the 
controller and then plot it with MRTG.   We generally just plot the 
voltage as that's the key item to be aware of.   Biggest problem with 
the Morningstar is the lack of user password protection, you will need 
to isolate the subnet you put the controller on for security.


On 10/4/17 8:08 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Hey Gino,

Since you are probably limited by time i didn't want to hold things up 
while i dig up all the photos and schematics.  so to get you started i'd 
suggest a system like this:


https://www.wholesalesolar.com/1890130/wholesale-solar/complete-systems/1.04-kw-watt-telecom-off-grid-dc-24-48v

we use this supplier a lot and they are great to work with and their 
prices are decent.


they provide the schematics for how it all gets connected and if you get 
5 hours of sunlight per day (which you should in PR even on Dec 21st) 
then this system will power a 200W tower just fine.  if your tower uses 
300W then just add 2 more panels (and another 30A breaker) and you can 
still use the same morning star 60A charge controller.  If your tower 
uses more than 300W then keep adding panels, charge controllers and Batts.


You'll need to add batteries, connecting cables  and another 80A breaker 
(for battery cutoff) to this parts list.  we use UB-4D AGM 200 ah 12 VDC 
Battery at our towers.  we usually have 12 of them at a site but we are 
in CO and in December we will go for 2 weeks without any sun (I doubt 
you have that issue).  you could probably get away with 4-8 of them per 
tower.


the other item you want to add is this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-interface-for-morningstar-serial/
and this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-unit-ii/

the morning start controller does have an ethernet port but you can use 
SNMP to query the device and graph everything, you can only look at 
their stats page.  it's much easier to do graphing and alerting with the 
packetflux devices.


***Be sure to fuse and breaker everything you can***  you want (and 
need) to be able to turn off all power coming from the panels or batts 
when you need to work on the system.  (that's what the 80A breaker in 
the parts list is for.)



for the load side of things you can use these fuse blocks.  they use the 
car style blade fuses you can get at any parts store or order online.


*Qty.*  *Stock#**Mfr. Part #*   *Cust. Part #*  *Price (USD)*   *Total 
(USD)*
2	70169109 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169109> 
0801733		$5.740	$11.48

DIN Rail; Steel; Silver; 7.50 mm; 35 mm; 2 m
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
6	70169386 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169386> 
0203250		$9.040	$54.24

Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
12	70169605 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169605> 
3047167		$0.690	$8.28

Partition Plate; Term Blk; Gray; 50 mmL; 2 mm W; 48 mm H
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
40	70169133 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169133> 
3118203		$9.910	$396.40
	Conn; Term Blk; Fuse; 1; 2; 26-8AWG; 30A; 300V; 4kV; M4; 1.5Nm; Flat; 
PA; 10mm

*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
40	70169365 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169365> 
3004362		$0.960	$38.40
	Conn; Term Blk; Feed Thru; Screw Clamp; 2; 0.2-6sq.mm 
<http://0.2-6sq.mm>; 24-10 AWG; 6.2 mm W; Gray

*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
4	70169390 
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169390> 
0203263		$11.880	$47.52

Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
*Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day



hit me up if you need help figuring all this out!

also what i've described here is for a totally off grid site.  if you 
are looking to grid tie in then that's a whole different beast.


hope this all helps!

-sean



On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:


Please

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on
behalf of Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:07 PM
    To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

Hey Gino,

We have 3 solar sites on our network. Let me know if you want me to
send pics, schematics and parts list so you don't have to re-invent
the wheel.

- sean

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Chuck McCown 
Affordable solar can beat the price.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; g...@aeronetpr.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

Hey Gino, 

Since you are probably limited by time i didn't want to hold things up while i 
dig up all the photos and schematics.  so to get you started i'd suggest a 
system like this:

https://www.wholesalesolar.com/1890130/wholesale-solar/complete-systems/1.04-kw-watt-telecom-off-grid-dc-24-48v


we use this supplier a lot and they are great to work with and their prices are 
decent.  

they provide the schematics for how it all gets connected and if you get 5 
hours of sunlight per day (which you should in PR even on Dec 21st) then this 
system will power a 200W tower just fine.  if your tower uses 300W then just 
add 2 more panels (and another 30A breaker) and you can still use the same 
morning star 60A charge controller.  If your tower uses more than 300W then 
keep adding panels, charge controllers and Batts.  

You'll need to add batteries, connecting cables  and another 80A breaker (for 
battery cutoff) to this parts list.  we use UB-4D AGM 200 ah 12 VDC Battery at 
our towers.  we usually have 12 of them at a site but we are in CO and in 
December we will go for 2 weeks without any sun (I doubt you have that issue).  
you could probably get away with 4-8 of them per tower.

the other item you want to add is this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-interface-for-morningstar-serial/

and this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-unit-ii/


the morning start controller does have an ethernet port but you can use SNMP to 
query the device and graph everything, you can only look at their stats page.  
it's much easier to do graphing and alerting with the packetflux devices.

***Be sure to fuse and breaker everything you can***  you want (and need) to be 
able to turn off all power coming from the panels or batts when you need to 
work on the system.  (that's what the 80A breaker in the parts list is for.)


for the load side of things you can use these fuse blocks.  they use the car 
style blade fuses you can get at any parts store or order online. 

  Qty. Stock# Mfr. Part # Cust. Part # Price (USD) Total (USD) 
  2 70169109 0801733  $5.740 $11.48 
DIN Rail; Steel; Silver; 7.50 mm; 35 mm; 2 m 
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day 
 
  6 70169386 0203250  $9.040 $54.24 
Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver 
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day 
 
  12 70169605 3047167  $0.690 $8.28 
Partition Plate; Term Blk; Gray; 50 mmL; 2 mm W; 48 mm H 
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day 
 
  40 70169133 3118203  $9.910 $396.40 
Conn; Term Blk; Fuse; 1; 2; 26-8AWG; 30A; 300V; 4kV; M4; 1.5Nm; Flat; 
PA; 10mm 
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day 
 
  40 70169365 3004362  $0.960 $38.40 
Conn; Term Blk; Feed Thru; Screw Clamp; 2; 0.2-6sq.mm; 24-10 AWG; 6.2 
mm W; Gray 
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day 
 
  4 70169390 0203263  $11.880 $47.52 
Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver 
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day 



hit me up if you need help figuring all this out!

also what i've described here is for a totally off grid site.  if you are 
looking to grid tie in then that's a whole different beast.

hope this all helps!

-sean



On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

  Please 

  From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:07 PM
  To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?


  Hey Gino,

  We have 3 solar sites on our network. Let me know if you want me to send 
pics, schematics and parts list so you don't have to re-invent the wheel.

  - sean 





Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 



  On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:49 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

Any pointers? 



  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Sean Heskett 
Hey Gino,

Since you are probably limited by time i didn't want to hold things up
while i dig up all the photos and schematics.  so to get you started i'd
suggest a system like this:

https://www.wholesalesolar.com/1890130/wholesale-solar/complete-systems/1.04-kw-watt-telecom-off-grid-dc-24-48v

we use this supplier a lot and they are great to work with and their prices
are decent.

they provide the schematics for how it all gets connected and if you get 5
hours of sunlight per day (which you should in PR even on Dec 21st) then
this system will power a 200W tower just fine.  if your tower uses 300W
then just add 2 more panels (and another 30A breaker) and you can still use
the same morning star 60A charge controller.  If your tower uses more than
300W then keep adding panels, charge controllers and Batts.

You'll need to add batteries, connecting cables  and another 80A breaker
(for battery cutoff) to this parts list.  we use UB-4D AGM 200 ah 12 VDC
Battery at our towers.  we usually have 12 of them at a site but we are in
CO and in December we will go for 2 weeks without any sun (I doubt you have
that issue).  you could probably get away with 4-8 of them per tower.

the other item you want to add is this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-interface-for-morningstar-serial/
and this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-unit-ii/

the morning start controller does have an ethernet port but you can use
SNMP to query the device and graph everything, you can only look at their
stats page.  it's much easier to do graphing and alerting with the
packetflux devices.

***Be sure to fuse and breaker everything you can***  you want (and need)
to be able to turn off all power coming from the panels or batts when you
need to work on the system.  (that's what the 80A breaker in the parts list
is for.)


for the load side of things you can use these fuse blocks.  they use the
car style blade fuses you can get at any parts store or order online.

*Qty.* *Stock#* *Mfr. Part #* *Cust. Part #* *Price (USD)* *Total (USD)*
2 70169109
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169109> 0801733
$5.740 $11.48
  DIN Rail; Steel; Silver; 7.50 mm; 35 mm; 2 m
  *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
6 70169386
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169386> 0203250
$9.040 $54.24
  Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
  *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
12 70169605
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169605> 3047167
$0.690 $8.28
  Partition Plate; Term Blk; Gray; 50 mmL; 2 mm W; 48 mm H
  *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
40 70169133
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169133> 3118203
$9.910 $396.40
  Conn; Term Blk; Fuse; 1; 2; 26-8AWG; 30A; 300V; 4kV; M4; 1.5Nm; Flat; PA;
10mm
  *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
40 70169365
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169365> 3004362
$0.960 $38.40
  Conn; Term Blk; Feed Thru; Screw Clamp; 2; 0.2-6sq.mm; 24-10 AWG; 6.2 mm
W; Gray
  *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day
4 70169390
<http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=70169390> 0203263
$11.880 $47.52
  Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
  *Ship Method:*   FedEx 2nd Day


hit me up if you need help figuring all this out!

also what i've described here is for a totally off grid site.  if you are
looking to grid tie in then that's a whole different beast.

hope this all helps!

-sean



On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> Please
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us
> >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:07 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?
>
> Hey Gino,
>
> We have 3 solar sites on our network. Let me know if you want me to send
> pics, schematics and parts list so you don't have to re-invent the wheel.
>
> - sean
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:49 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Any pointers?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Gino...I get MPPT 60 Morningstar for 499.00 locally

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Robert  wrote:

> https://www.wholesalesolar.com/3611105/morningstar-corporati
> on/charge-controllers/morningstar-corporation-tristar-ts-mppt-60-charge-
> controller
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Morningstar-TS-MPPT-60-Tristar-Mppt-
> Amp/dp/B007NMVL7E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1507117827=8-3&
> keywords=mppt-60
>
> $600
>
> On 10/4/17 4:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
>> how much?
>>
>> On 10/3/17, 2:13 PM, "Af on behalf of Robert" >
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> behalf of i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>> morningstar mppt-60.�� Ethernet monitoring is going to be huge for
>>> you.
>>> � We also team up with netonix switches and put a camera on a switch so
>>> that you can turn the camera on and off to save power.�� needs a 24v
>>> to
>>> 12v power/poe adapter...
>>>
>>>  https://find-a-poe.com/product/PoE-for-USB-and-non-PoE-Devices/
>>>
>>> On 10/3/17 10:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>>
 Any pointers?

 *//*

 */Gino A. Villarini/*

 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


>>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Robert 

https://www.wholesalesolar.com/3611105/morningstar-corporation/charge-controllers/morningstar-corporation-tristar-ts-mppt-60-charge-controller

https://www.amazon.com/Morningstar-TS-MPPT-60-Tristar-Mppt-Amp/dp/B007NMVL7E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1507117827=8-3=mppt-60

$600

On 10/4/17 4:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

how much?

On 10/3/17, 2:13 PM, "Af on behalf of Robert"  wrote:


morningstar mppt-60.�� Ethernet monitoring is going to be huge for you.
� We also team up with netonix switches and put a camera on a switch so
that you can turn the camera on and off to save power.�� needs a 24v to
12v power/poe adapter...

 https://find-a-poe.com/product/PoE-for-USB-and-non-PoE-Devices/

On 10/3/17 10:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Any pointers?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
how much?

On 10/3/17, 2:13 PM, "Af on behalf of Robert"  wrote:

>morningstar mppt-60.   Ethernet monitoring is going to be huge for you.
>  We also team up with netonix switches and put a camera on a switch so
>that you can turn the camera on and off to save power.   needs a 24v to
>12v power/poe adapter...
>
>  https://find-a-poe.com/product/PoE-for-USB-and-non-PoE-Devices/
>
>On 10/3/17 10:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>> Any pointers?
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-04 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Please

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Sean 
Heskett <af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

Hey Gino,

We have 3 solar sites on our network. Let me know if you want me to send pics, 
schematics and parts list so you don't have to re-invent the wheel.

- sean




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:49 AM Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Any pointers?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Sean Heskett 
Hey Gino,

We have 3 solar sites on our network. Let me know if you want me to send
pics, schematics and parts list so you don't have to re-invent the wheel.

- sean

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:49 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Any pointers?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Jaime Solorza 
these are the ones we are using lately

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/25w-continuous/803-rpst1224-100-160

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Robert  wrote:

> You can get stats off the 60A ( only one with ethernet ) without any
> adapters...   effectively reducing the cost by $150...
>
> On 10/3/17 11:08 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
>> Look into Morningstar, models depend on your power requirements. If you
>> buy the models with the RJ11 ports, you can get a $150 ethernet adapter so
>> you can get stats off them remotely.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini > > wrote:
>>
>> Any pointers?
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Robert 
You can get stats off the 60A ( only one with ethernet ) without any 
adapters...   effectively reducing the cost by $150...


On 10/3/17 11:08 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Look into Morningstar, models depend on your power requirements. If you 
buy the models with the RJ11 ports, you can get a $150 ethernet adapter 
so you can get stats off them remotely.


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini > wrote:


Any pointers?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Jaime Solorza 
I use morningstar MPPT versions in mountain installs where days are short
in winter...I use Tycon controllers for our desert projects with 24vdc POE
built in.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Robert  wrote:

> morningstar mppt-60.   Ethernet monitoring is going to be huge for you.
> We also team up with netonix switches and put a camera on a switch so that
> you can turn the camera on and off to save power.   needs a 24v to 12v
> power/poe adapter...
>
>  https://find-a-poe.com/product/PoE-for-USB-and-non-PoE-Devices/
>
> On 10/3/17 10:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
>> Any pointers?
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Robert 

How low do you go on the 60A?

On 10/3/17 10:56 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I can get Morningstar models at good price...14A, 45A and 60A ... what 
are your load requirements?


On Oct 3, 2017 11:49 AM, "Gino A. Villarini" > wrote:


Any pointers?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Robert 
morningstar mppt-60.   Ethernet monitoring is going to be huge for you. 
 We also team up with netonix switches and put a camera on a switch so 
that you can turn the camera on and off to save power.   needs a 24v to 
12v power/poe adapter...


 https://find-a-poe.com/product/PoE-for-USB-and-non-PoE-Devices/

On 10/3/17 10:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Any pointers?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Colin Stanners 
Look into Morningstar, models depend on your power requirements. If you buy
the models with the RJ11 ports, you can get a $150 ethernet adapter so you
can get stats off them remotely.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Any pointers?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Jaime Solorza 
I can get Morningstar models at good price...14A, 45A and 60A ... what are
your load requirements?

On Oct 3, 2017 11:49 AM, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:

> Any pointers?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

[AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Any pointers?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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