Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[chuck]

Yeah, the ability to work without batts is essential if you are in the 
business of fixing phones.
I really never needed voltage and current for POTS line copper repair 
throughout almost 40 years of doing it.

My ear was the best instrument followed up by a good analog ohm meter.

-Original Message- 
From: Brian McCoy

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I will say, from experience, the butt sets that have a digital display are 
nice because you get immediate feedback on on-hook/off-hook voltage and 
amps, the one touch dialing feature is nice for ANI, but you can usually 
call your cell phone for that. I've had the most experience with the Fluke 
TS52 butt set. I will say though that I always had a butt set that didn't 
require batteries for those times I ran out of batteries and was a million 
miles from nowhere, or when the LCD would freeze in the Wyoming winter 
winds, :-).


Brian McCoy

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:38 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am connected 
to but not sure of other features that may come with the higher end sets 
that may be helpful. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Brian McCoy]

I will say, from experience, the butt sets that have a digital display are nice 
because you get immediate feedback on on-hook/off-hook voltage and amps, the 
one touch dialing feature is nice for ANI, but you can usually call your cell 
phone for that. I've had the most experience with the Fluke TS52 butt set. I 
will say though that I always had a butt set that didn't require batteries for 
those times I ran out of batteries and was a million miles from nowhere, or 
when the LCD would freeze in the Wyoming winter winds, :-).

Brian McCoy

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:38 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.  
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am connected to 
but not sure of other features that may come with the higher end sets that may 
be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Jay Weekley]

Well, that's the best thing since sliced bread if I am looking at that 
thing properly.


Rob Genovesi wrote:

+1 Banjo.

And these are handy if you are working on 66-blocks a lot:
https://www.amazon.com/Siemon-TESTAR-2-Block-Adapter-2-Wire/dp/B00F3W7LES/



On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Banjo
https://www.amazon.com/Paladin-Tools-1903-Modular-Adapter/dp/B6HYVQ

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:34 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Do you carry an extra RJ11 cord then to plug in the butt set?  How do
you connect the butt set to the ATA when the buttset has clips?

On 8/28/2016 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Sure, but why carry both a butt set and a test phone? And test phones tend
to be awkward and get beat up.  Butt sets are meant to be dropped, tossed in
a van, etc.

After a bug with Cisco ATA firmware several years back where they weren't
passing CID to the phone, I want to be able to test that at install time, or
troubleshoot if a customer claims they aren't getting CID info.  Some of
these old farmers have phones that are not CID capable.  Hell, I've had more
then one with a rotary dial phone who complained we couldn't handle pulse
dialing.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I have only needed to use a buttset to test outgoing calls on POTS
lines.  When would you use it for incoming calls and need CID display?
If you're already to the point of taking incoming calls, wouldn't you
just plug a test handset into an RJ11?

I've been very happy with this set
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8136



On 8/28/2016 8:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts


http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good
one.
More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will
go
on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a
pole
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little
slow
in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Rob Genovesi]

+1 Banjo.

And these are handy if you are working on 66-blocks a lot:
https://www.amazon.com/Siemon-TESTAR-2-Block-Adapter-2-Wire/dp/B00F3W7LES/



On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Banjo
> https://www.amazon.com/Paladin-Tools-1903-Modular-Adapter/dp/B6HYVQ
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:34 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>
> Do you carry an extra RJ11 cord then to plug in the butt set?  How do
> you connect the butt set to the ATA when the buttset has clips?
>
> On 8/28/2016 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Sure, but why carry both a butt set and a test phone? And test phones tend
>> to be awkward and get beat up.  Butt sets are meant to be dropped, tossed in
>> a van, etc.
>>
>> After a bug with Cisco ATA firmware several years back where they weren't
>> passing CID to the phone, I want to be able to test that at install time, or
>> troubleshoot if a customer claims they aren't getting CID info.  Some of
>> these old farmers have phones that are not CID capable.  Hell, I've had more
>> then one with a rotary dial phone who complained we couldn't handle pulse
>> dialing.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:22 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>
>> I have only needed to use a buttset to test outgoing calls on POTS
>> lines.  When would you use it for incoming calls and need CID display?
>> If you're already to the point of taking incoming calls, wouldn't you
>> just plug a test handset into an RJ11?
>>
>> I've been very happy with this set
>> http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8136
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2016 8:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>>
>>> I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good
>>> one.
>>> More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will
>>> go
>>> on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
>>> Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
>>> pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
>>> set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a
>>> pole
>>> unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little
>>> slow
>>> in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>>
>>> I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
>>> Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
>>> connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
>>> higher end sets that may be helpful.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Jay Weekley]

Bought it.  Chuck wins!

Chuck McCown wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606 



-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good 
one.
More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that 
will go

on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a 
pole
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little 
slow

in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Chuck McCown]

Banjo
https://www.amazon.com/Paladin-Tools-1903-Modular-Adapter/dp/B6HYVQ

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Do you carry an extra RJ11 cord then to plug in the butt set?  How do
you connect the butt set to the ATA when the buttset has clips?

On 8/28/2016 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Sure, but why carry both a butt set and a test phone? And test phones tend 
to be awkward and get beat up.  Butt sets are meant to be dropped, tossed 
in a van, etc.


After a bug with Cisco ATA firmware several years back where they weren't 
passing CID to the phone, I want to be able to test that at install time, 
or troubleshoot if a customer claims they aren't getting CID info.  Some 
of these old farmers have phones that are not CID capable.  Hell, I've had 
more then one with a rotary dial phone who complained we couldn't handle 
pulse dialing.



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I have only needed to use a buttset to test outgoing calls on POTS
lines.  When would you use it for incoming calls and need CID display?
If you're already to the point of taking incoming calls, wouldn't you
just plug a test handset into an RJ11?

I've been very happy with this set
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8136



On 8/28/2016 8:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good 
one.
More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will 
go

on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a 
pole
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little 
slow

in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, or if money is no object, Fluke does sell a cable that has both.
LEAD-ABNPRJ11

I'm not saying I have one of those, though.  More like one of these:
https://www.siemon.com/e-catalog/ECAT_GI_page.aspx?GI_ID=tt_modapt


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

Do you carry an extra RJ11 cord then to plug in the butt set?  How do
you connect the butt set to the ATA when the buttset has clips?

On 8/28/2016 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Sure, but why carry both a butt set and a test phone? And test phones tend 
to be awkward and get beat up.  Butt sets are meant to be dropped, tossed 
in a van, etc.


After a bug with Cisco ATA firmware several years back where they weren't 
passing CID to the phone, I want to be able to test that at install time, 
or troubleshoot if a customer claims they aren't getting CID info.  Some 
of these old farmers have phones that are not CID capable.  Hell, I've had 
more then one with a rotary dial phone who complained we couldn't handle 
pulse dialing.



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I have only needed to use a buttset to test outgoing calls on POTS
lines.  When would you use it for incoming calls and need CID display?
If you're already to the point of taking incoming calls, wouldn't you
just plug a test handset into an RJ11?

I've been very happy with this set
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8136



On 8/28/2016 8:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good 
one.
More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will 
go

on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a 
pole
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little 
slow

in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Josh Luthman]

One of those donuts with an rj11 and labeled tabs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

> Do you carry an extra RJ11 cord then to plug in the butt set?  How do you
> connect the butt set to the ATA when the buttset has clips?
>
> On 8/28/2016 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> Sure, but why carry both a butt set and a test phone? And test phones
>> tend to be awkward and get beat up.  Butt sets are meant to be dropped,
>> tossed in a van, etc.
>>
>> After a bug with Cisco ATA firmware several years back where they weren't
>> passing CID to the phone, I want to be able to test that at install time,
>> or troubleshoot if a customer claims they aren't getting CID info.  Some of
>> these old farmers have phones that are not CID capable.  Hell, I've had
>> more then one with a rotary dial phone who complained we couldn't handle
>> pulse dialing.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:22 PM
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>
>> I have only needed to use a buttset to test outgoing calls on POTS
>> lines.  When would you use it for incoming calls and need CID display?
>> If you're already to the point of taking incoming calls, wouldn't you
>> just plug a test handset into an RJ11?
>>
>> I've been very happy with this set
>> http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8136
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2016 8:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>> Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linema
>>> ns-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>>
>>> I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good
>>> one.
>>> More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will
>>> go
>>> on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
>>> Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
>>> pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
>>> set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a
>>> pole
>>> unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little
>>> slow
>>> in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>>
>>> I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
>>> Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
>>> connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
>>> higher end sets that may be helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Nate Burke]

Do you carry an extra RJ11 cord then to plug in the butt set?  How do 
you connect the butt set to the ATA when the buttset has clips?


On 8/28/2016 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Sure, but why carry both a butt set and a test phone? And test phones 
tend to be awkward and get beat up.  Butt sets are meant to be 
dropped, tossed in a van, etc.


After a bug with Cisco ATA firmware several years back where they 
weren't passing CID to the phone, I want to be able to test that at 
install time, or troubleshoot if a customer claims they aren't getting 
CID info.  Some of these old farmers have phones that are not CID 
capable.  Hell, I've had more then one with a rotary dial phone who 
complained we couldn't handle pulse dialing.



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I have only needed to use a buttset to test outgoing calls on POTS
lines.  When would you use it for incoming calls and need CID display?
If you're already to the point of taking incoming calls, wouldn't you
just plug a test handset into an RJ11?

I've been very happy with this set
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8136



On 8/28/2016 8:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606 



-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a 
good one.
More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that 
will go

on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first 
butt
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of 
a pole
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a 
little slow

in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Ken Hohhof]

Sure, but why carry both a butt set and a test phone?  And test phones tend 
to be awkward and get beat up.  Butt sets are meant to be dropped, tossed in 
a van, etc.


After a bug with Cisco ATA firmware several years back where they weren't 
passing CID to the phone, I want to be able to test that at install time, or 
troubleshoot if a customer claims they aren't getting CID info.  Some of 
these old farmers have phones that are not CID capable.  Hell, I've had more 
then one with a rotary dial phone who complained we couldn't handle pulse 
dialing.



-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I have only needed to use a buttset to test outgoing calls on POTS
lines.  When would you use it for incoming calls and need CID display?
If you're already to the point of taking incoming calls, wouldn't you
just plug a test handset into an RJ11?

I've been very happy with this set
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8136



On 8/28/2016 8:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good 
one.

More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will go
on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a 
pole
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little 
slow

in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Nate Burke]

I have only needed to use a buttset to test outgoing calls on POTS 
lines.  When would you use it for incoming calls and need CID display?  
If you're already to the point of taking incoming calls, wouldn't you 
just plug a test handset into an RJ11?


I've been very happy with this set 
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8136




On 8/28/2016 8:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606 



-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good 
one.
More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that 
will go

on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a 
pole
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little 
slow

in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Jaime Solorza]

Wow.. Sarcastic and cheap.. Lol

On Aug 28, 2016 11:06 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> We have some cheap Chinese 4 dollar sets that are sufficient. The only
> things on my good 70 dollar but set that these don't have is dial memory
> and the clips with a bunch of pins that penetrate the insulation so you
> don't have to cut it.
>
> On Aug 28, 2016 8:57 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linema
>> ns-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>
>> I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good
>> one.
>> More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will go
>> on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
>> Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
>> pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
>> set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a
>> pole
>> unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little
>> slow
>> in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>>
>> I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
>> Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
>> connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
>> higher end sets that may be helpful.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We have some cheap Chinese 4 dollar sets that are sufficient. The only
things on my good 70 dollar but set that these don't have is dial memory
and the clips with a bunch of pins that penetrate the insulation so you
don't have to cut it.

On Aug 28, 2016 8:57 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linema
> ns-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>
> I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good one.
> More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will go
> on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
> Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
> pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
> set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a pole
> unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little slow
> in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts
>
> I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
> Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
> connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
> higher end sets that may be helpful.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Ken Hohhof]

Make sure to get one with caller ID name & number display.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 4:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good one.
More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will go
on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a pole
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little slow
in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Chuck McCown]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-DRACON-DIVISION-M332-1-Linemans-Telephone-Phone-Line-Tester-BUTT-SET-/232058877606

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good one.
More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will go
on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a pole
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little slow
in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Chuck McCown]

I don't know if they still make them, but the Harris Dracon was a good one. 
More importantly are the clips.  You want the expensive clips that will go 
on a 66 block, but have bed of nails and the piercing pins.
Speakerphone is good.  Nice heavy duty clip to clip on your belt to tool 
pouch is good.  Weatherproof is good.  Drop proof is good.  My first butt 
set was a 100% rubber BECO.  It would survive a drop from the top of a pole 
unless it fell with the dial against a rock.  Dial would move a little slow 
in sub zero weather and you would have to force it back.


-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the
higher end sets that may be helpful. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Eric Kuhnke]

Lots of used fluke in the market.

On Aug 27, 2016 8:38 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
> Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am connected
> to but not sure of other features that may come with the higher end sets
> that may be helpful.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I guess you need to decide how much you're going to use this and in what
environment.

For years I used just a cheap phone and a set of clips.   At some point I
picked up a used butt set for cheap.   Didn't really notice much difference.

Unless you're using it a lot (daily) or know you need the higher end
features (data safe, etc), I would just buy something inexpensive. I know
amazon has ones from probably too cheap to very very expensive, and the
amazing reviews are very helpful.

On Aug 27, 2016 9:38 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.
> Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am connected
> to but not sure of other features that may come with the higher end sets
> that may be helpful.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Keefe John]

bytebrothers has one


On 8/27/2016 10:37 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.  
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am 
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the 
higher end sets that may be helpful.

[AFMUG] OT: Butt setts

[Jay Weekley]

I'm looking for recommendations for butt sets for some upcoming jobs.  
Basically I need to get dial tone and and verify the number I am 
connected to but not sure of other features that may come with the 
higher end sets that may be helpful.