Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
Bad flashback From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate I knew there was a reason I saved this cartoon. (WARNING: could be considered NSFW) From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate Let Medusa seduce ya with her 14 beams. On 7/22/2016 10:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I would be giving everyone 25 Mbps if I was to put it up. So, I doubt I could put more than about 6 on there without running into trouble. From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate With the Cambium PMP450 I monitor the framelink utilization via SNMP to determine if an AP is oversubscribed or not. I have 25 subs on this ap and it peaks at about 25% utilization on the downlink every night. Customers are a mix of 1.5Meg / 3.0Meg / 6Meg download with up to 20mbps bursting. At this rate I would safely say I could put 75 subscribers on this AP but it really is dependent on who your customers are. I have a similar AP only serving 15 customers that will hit 50% utilization sometimes. Apparently the customers in that area must watch more Netflix, lol. On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote: Very helpful Adam. Thank you! Sam On 7/21/2016 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I don't believe in over subscription rates. :) For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised throughput from the AP and then plan on 8:1. In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate after the planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's. Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage that seems in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend to not have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can easily get a few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual consumption not line up with the planned over subscription rate. It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over subscription of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites fall apart when oversub was only 4:1. -- Original Message -- From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or something else? Thanks Sam
Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
I knew there was a reason I saved this cartoon. (WARNING: could be considered NSFW) From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate Let Medusa seduce ya with her 14 beams. On 7/22/2016 10:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I would be giving everyone 25 Mbps if I was to put it up. So, I doubt I could put more than about 6 on there without running into trouble. From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate With the Cambium PMP450 I monitor the framelink utilization via SNMP to determine if an AP is oversubscribed or not. I have 25 subs on this ap and it peaks at about 25% utilization on the downlink every night. Customers are a mix of 1.5Meg / 3.0Meg / 6Meg download with up to 20mbps bursting. At this rate I would safely say I could put 75 subscribers on this AP but it really is dependent on who your customers are. I have a similar AP only serving 15 customers that will hit 50% utilization sometimes. Apparently the customers in that area must watch more Netflix, lol. On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote: Very helpful Adam. Thank you! Sam On 7/21/2016 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I don't believe in over subscription rates. :) For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised throughput from the AP and then plan on 8:1. In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate after the planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's. Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage that seems in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend to not have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can easily get a few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual consumption not line up with the planned over subscription rate. It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over subscription of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites fall apart when oversub was only 4:1. -- Original Message -- From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or something else? Thanks Sam
Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
450m will do 400 Mbps in 20mhz channel but only if users are spread out through all 14 beams. If you see all the users in one beam, the capacity won't be that high. On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I forgot about that, and I missed the presentation. > That's 450m right? How much capacity did they claim on that? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 7/22/2016 11:52:52 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate > > > Let Medusa seduce ya with her 14 beams. > > On 7/22/2016 10:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > I would be giving everyone 25 Mbps if I was to put it up. So, I doubt I > could put more than about 6 on there without running into trouble. > > *From:* Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 9:13 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate > > With the Cambium PMP450 I monitor the framelink utilization via SNMP to > determine if an AP is oversubscribed or not. I have 25 subs on this ap and > it peaks at about 25% utilization on the downlink every night. Customers > are a mix of 1.5Meg / 3.0Meg / 6Meg download with up to 20mbps bursting. At > this rate I would safely say I could put 75 subscribers on this AP but it > really is dependent on who your customers are. I have a similar AP only > serving 15 customers that will hit 50% utilization sometimes. Apparently > the customers in that area must watch more Netflix, lol. > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote: > >> Very helpful Adam. Thank you! >> >> Sam >> >> >> On 7/21/2016 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>> I don't believe in over subscription rates. :) >>> >>> For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised throughput >>> from the AP and then plan on 8:1. >>> >>> In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate after the >>> planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's. >>> Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage that seems >>> in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend to not >>> have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can easily get a >>> few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual consumption not >>> line up with the planned over subscription rate. >>> >>> It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over subscription >>> of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites fall apart >>> when oversub was only 4:1. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate >>> >>> At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or >>>> something else? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Sam >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
I forgot about that, and I missed the presentation. That's 450m right? How much capacity did they claim on that? -- Original Message -- From: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 7/22/2016 11:52:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate Let Medusa seduce ya with her 14 beams. On 7/22/2016 10:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I would be giving everyone 25 Mbps if I was to put it up. So, I doubt I could put more than about 6 on there without running into trouble. From:Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:13 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate With the Cambium PMP450 I monitor the framelink utilization via SNMP to determine if an AP is oversubscribed or not. I have 25 subs on this ap and it peaks at about 25% utilization on the downlink every night. Customers are a mix of 1.5Meg / 3.0Meg / 6Meg download with up to 20mbps bursting. At this rate I would safely say I could put 75 subscribers on this AP but it really is dependent on who your customers are. I have a similar AP only serving 15 customers that will hit 50% utilization sometimes. Apparently the customers in that area must watch more Netflix, lol. On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote: Very helpful Adam. Thank you! Sam On 7/21/2016 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I don't believe in over subscription rates. :) For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised throughput from the AP and then plan on 8:1. In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate after the planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's. Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage that seems in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend to not have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can easily get a few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual consumption not line up with the planned over subscription rate. It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over subscription of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites fall apart when oversub was only 4:1. -- Original Message -- From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or something else? Thanks Sam
Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
Let Medusa seduce ya with her 14 beams.
On 7/22/2016 10:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I would be giving everyone 25 Mbps if I was to put it up. So, I doubt
I could put more than about 6 on there without running into trouble.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 9:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
With the Cambium PMP450 I monitor the framelink utilization via SNMP
to determine if an AP is oversubscribed or not. I have 25 subs on this
ap and it peaks at about 25% utilization on the downlink every night.
Customers are a mix of 1.5Meg / 3.0Meg / 6Meg download with up to
20mbps bursting. At this rate I would safely say I could put 75
subscribers on this AP but it really is dependent on who your
customers are. I have a similar AP only serving 15 customers that will
hit 50% utilization sometimes. Apparently the customers in that area
must watch more Netflix, lol.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com
<mailto:w...@csilogan.com>> wrote:
Very helpful Adam. Thank you!
Sam
On 7/21/2016 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I don't believe in over subscription rates. :)
For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised
throughput
from the AP and then plan on 8:1.
In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate
after the
planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's.
Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage
that seems
in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend
to not
have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can
easily get a
few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual
consumption not
line up with the planned over subscription rate.
It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over
subscription
of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites
fall apart
when oversub was only 4:1.
-- Original Message --
From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1?
15:1? Or
something else?
Thanks
Sam
Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
I think there are a couple of products geared towards high throughput to a small number of stations. Radwin Jet is supposed to do 750mbps using 80mhz...or something like that. Knowing Radwinit's probably an 802.11ac chipset under the hood. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 7/22/2016 11:31:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate I would be giving everyone 25 Mbps if I was to put it up. So, I doubt I could put more than about 6 on there without running into trouble. From:Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:13 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate With the Cambium PMP450 I monitor the framelink utilization via SNMP to determine if an AP is oversubscribed or not. I have 25 subs on this ap and it peaks at about 25% utilization on the downlink every night. Customers are a mix of 1.5Meg / 3.0Meg / 6Meg download with up to 20mbps bursting. At this rate I would safely say I could put 75 subscribers on this AP but it really is dependent on who your customers are. I have a similar AP only serving 15 customers that will hit 50% utilization sometimes. Apparently the customers in that area must watch more Netflix, lol. On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote: Very helpful Adam. Thank you! Sam On 7/21/2016 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I don't believe in over subscription rates. :) For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised throughput from the AP and then plan on 8:1. In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate after the planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's. Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage that seems in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend to not have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can easily get a few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual consumption not line up with the planned over subscription rate. It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over subscription of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites fall apart when oversub was only 4:1. -- Original Message -- From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or something else? Thanks Sam
Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
I would be giving everyone 25 Mbps if I was to put it up. So, I doubt I could
put more than about 6 on there without running into trouble.
From: Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
With the Cambium PMP450 I monitor the framelink utilization via SNMP to
determine if an AP is oversubscribed or not. I have 25 subs on this ap and it
peaks at about 25% utilization on the downlink every night. Customers are a mix
of 1.5Meg / 3.0Meg / 6Meg download with up to 20mbps bursting. At this rate I
would safely say I could put 75 subscribers on this AP but it really is
dependent on who your customers are. I have a similar AP only serving 15
customers that will hit 50% utilization sometimes. Apparently the customers in
that area must watch more Netflix, lol.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote:
Very helpful Adam. Thank you!
Sam
On 7/21/2016 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I don't believe in over subscription rates. :)
For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised throughput
from the AP and then plan on 8:1.
In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate after the
planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's.
Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage that seems
in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend to not
have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can easily get a
few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual consumption not
line up with the planned over subscription rate.
It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over subscription
of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites fall apart
when oversub was only 4:1.
-- Original Message --
From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or
something else?
Thanks
Sam
Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
Subs at 1x or 2x can chew up your frame utilization faster than Netflix can. On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > With the Cambium PMP450 I monitor the framelink utilization via SNMP to > determine if an AP is oversubscribed or not. I have 25 subs on this ap and > it peaks at about 25% utilization on the downlink every night. Customers > are a mix of 1.5Meg / 3.0Meg / 6Meg download with up to 20mbps bursting. At > this rate I would safely say I could put 75 subscribers on this AP but it > really is dependent on who your customers are. I have a similar AP only > serving 15 customers that will hit 50% utilization sometimes. Apparently > the customers in that area must watch more Netflix, lol. > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote: > >> Very helpful Adam. Thank you! >> >> Sam >> >> >> On 7/21/2016 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>> I don't believe in over subscription rates. :) >>> >>> For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised throughput >>> from the AP and then plan on 8:1. >>> >>> In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate after the >>> planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's. >>> Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage that seems >>> in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend to not >>> have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can easily get a >>> few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual consumption not >>> line up with the planned over subscription rate. >>> >>> It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over subscription >>> of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites fall apart >>> when oversub was only 4:1. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate >>> >>> At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or >>>> something else? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Sam >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
Very helpful Adam. Thank you! Sam On 7/21/2016 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I don't believe in over subscription rates. :) For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised throughput from the AP and then plan on 8:1. In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate after the planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's. Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage that seems in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend to not have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can easily get a few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual consumption not line up with the planned over subscription rate. It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over subscription of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites fall apart when oversub was only 4:1. -- Original Message -- From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or something else? Thanks Sam
Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
I know of some providers hitting about half of that still on 900Mhz gear ;)
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: July 21, 2016 5:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
I remember the day when we put a limit of 128 subs per AP...
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
Yah. Depends on where the data hogs are.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 7/21/2016 2:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> I don't believe in over subscription rates. :)
>
> For planning purposes, I assume we'll get 2/3's of advertised
> throughput from the AP and then plan on 8:1.
>
> In real life you have to abandon the over subscription rate after the
> planning phase and monitor what's actually happening on the AP's.
> Averaging hundreds of users together you'll get actual usage that
> seems in line with an 8:1 or 6:1 ratio. On an individual AP you tend
> to not have enough capacity for more than 30-50 people, so you can
> easily get a few statistical outliers in the mix that make actual
> consumption not line up with the planned over subscription rate.
>
> It goes both ways tooI've seen sites with actual over subscription
> of 20:1 and everything's working ok, and other actual sites fall apart
> when oversub was only 4:1.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 7/21/2016 7:58:18 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
>
>> At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or
>> something else?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sam
>
[AFMUG] Over subscription Rate
At what level do you over subscribe your APs? 4:1? 8:1? 15:1? Or something else? Thanks Sam
