Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-27 Thread chuck 
When I have checked it, it was the same content as the off air content.  

From: Layne Sisk 
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

They don’t stream the stuff people want (primetime shows, sports).  They stream 
news and some of the programming they control.  

 

Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102









   

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

KSL should be free.  They have their own streaming channel now.  

 

From: Layne Sisk 

Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 12:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

Wish they were only $2-3.  New retrans agreements came out this month 
(2018-2020) and I have been fighting like crazy to keep the Big4 locals under 
$4 each.  

 

Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102









   

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

Local channels are $2-$3 per channel.  Nobody is going to want to add $20 per 
month to their bill but I understand.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains of 
CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

  Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
  Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

   

  I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that. 



  It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.

  As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of 
functioning multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware 
as Rodeo over ePMP.

  On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting 
close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't 
see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of 
pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another 
option that I thought would work for my customers. 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

  Hi Chris,

   

  thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others 
which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if 
they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

   

  -sean

   

  On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up 
for close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate 
bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't 
have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the 
flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good 
value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor 
communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss 
more offlist if you like. 

 

Chris Fabien

LakeNet LLC

 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

  Hello AF gang,

   

  We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution 
on our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience 
with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) 
your experience.

   

  Thanks!

   

  -Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-27 Thread Layne Sisk 
They don’t stream the stuff people want (primetime shows, sports).  They stream 
news and some of the programming they control.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

KSL should be free.  They have their own streaming channel now.

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Wish they were only $2-3.  New retrans agreements came out this month 
(2018-2020) and I have been fighting like crazy to keep the Big4 locals under 
$4 each.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Local channels are $2-$3 per channel.  Nobody is going to want to add $20 per 
month to their bill but I understand.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains of 
CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.

-Sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that.


It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.
As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us&l

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-27 Thread chuck 
KSL should be free.  They have their own streaming channel now.  

From: Layne Sisk 
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Wish they were only $2-3.  New retrans agreements came out this month 
(2018-2020) and I have been fighting like crazy to keep the Big4 locals under 
$4 each.  

 

Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102









   

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

Local channels are $2-$3 per channel.  Nobody is going to want to add $20 per 
month to their bill but I understand.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains of 
CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

  Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
  Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

   

  I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that. 



  It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.

  As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of 
functioning multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware 
as Rodeo over ePMP.

  On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting 
close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't 
see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of 
pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another 
option that I thought would work for my customers. 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

  Hi Chris,

   

  thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others 
which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if 
they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

   

  -sean

   

  On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up 
for close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate 
bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't 
have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the 
flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good 
value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor 
communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss 
more offlist if you like. 

 

Chris Fabien

LakeNet LLC

 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

  Hello AF gang,

   

  We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution 
on our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience 
with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) 
your experience.

   

  Thanks!

   

  -Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-27 Thread Layne Sisk 
Wish they were only $2-3.  New retrans agreements came out this month 
(2018-2020) and I have been fighting like crazy to keep the Big4 locals under 
$4 each.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Local channels are $2-$3 per channel.  Nobody is going to want to add $20 per 
month to their bill but I understand.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains of 
CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.

-Sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that.


It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.
As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-21 Thread Sean Heskett 
Hi Rory,

They might get not pay that in your area but in mine they would pay $35/mo
to have denver locals and drop cable/satellite.  That’s why we are
aggressively perusing an IPTV solution.  People want to watch the Denver
Broncos (ok maybe not this season) and the Olympics (89 Olympians are from
Steamboat springs, CO...we sent 14 to Sochi in 2014
http://www.steamboattoday.com/explore-steamboat/olympians-abound/ )

-Sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:54 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> Local channels are $2-$3 per channel.  Nobody is going to want to add $20
> per month to their bill but I understand.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:57 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV
>
>
>
> There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains
> of CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up
> an outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That
> is our plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV
>
>
>
> I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting
> on further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as
> the next choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears
> to have a good product based on good technology... they just don't have all
> the components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on
> their network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully
> improved transcoding after that.
>
>
>
> It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels.
> Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will
> easily win in a cost comparison.
>
> As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of
> functioning multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base
> middleware as Rodeo over ePMP.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting
> close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't
> see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of
> pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another
> option that I thought would work for my customers.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
>
>
> thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others
> which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup
> but if they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
> close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
> bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
> have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
> flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
> good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
> communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
> discuss more offlist if you like.
>
>
>
> Chris Fabien
>
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> Hello AF gang,
>
>
>
> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-21 Thread Mike Hammett 
Sure they are. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:54:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV 



Local channels are $2-$3 per channel. Nobody is going to want to add $20 per 
month to their bill but I understand. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:57 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV 



There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains of 
CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us. 



-Sean 





On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 




Local channels are a problem because of the cost. However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem. That is our 
plan for an additional price. We are testing antennas right now. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM 



To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV 




I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that. 





It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison. 




As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP. 






On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 









I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers. 














On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 

















Hi Chris, 



thanks for your feedback. I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy. I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much. 



-sean 






















On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 























They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell. The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you 
like. 



Chris Fabien 

LakeNet LLC 







On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 





Hello AF gang, 



We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them. If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience. 



Thanks! 



-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-20 Thread Rory Conaway 
Local channels are $2-$3 per channel.  Nobody is going to want to add $20 per 
month to their bill but I understand.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains of 
CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.

-Sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that.


It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.
As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-20 Thread Sean Heskett 
There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains
of CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.

-Sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up
> an outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That
> is our plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV
>
>
>
> I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting
> on further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as
> the next choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears
> to have a good product based on good technology... they just don't have all
> the components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on
> their network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully
> improved transcoding after that.
>
>
>
> It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels.
> Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will
> easily win in a cost comparison.
>
> As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of
> functioning multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base
> middleware as Rodeo over ePMP.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting
> close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't
> see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of
> pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another
> option that I thought would work for my customers.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
>
>
> thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others
> which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup
> but if they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
> close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
> bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
> have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
> flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
> good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
> communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
> discuss more offlist if you like.
>
>
>
> Chris Fabien
>
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> Hello AF gang,
>
>
>
> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-20 Thread Chuck McCown 
Tivo blends OTA, DVR and OTT streaming.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that. 

It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.

 

As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.




 

 

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

  I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting 
close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't 
see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of 
pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another 
option that I thought would work for my customers. 

   

  On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

Hi Chris,

 

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which 
is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

 

-sean

 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

  They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for 
close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate 
bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't 
have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the 
flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good 
value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor 
communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss 
more offlist if you like. 

   

  Chris Fabien

  LakeNet LLC

   

   

  On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

Hello AF gang,

 

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution 
on our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience 
with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) 
your experience.

 

Thanks!

 

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-20 Thread Rory Conaway 
Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that.

It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.

As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-20 Thread Christopher Gray 
I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting
on further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as
the next choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears
to have a good product based on good technology... they just don't have all
the components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on
their network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully
improved transcoding after that.

It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels.
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will
easily win in a cost comparison.

As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of
functioning multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base
middleware as Rodeo over ePMP.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting
> close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't
> see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of
> pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another
> option that I thought would work for my customers.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others
>> which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup
>> but if they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up
>>> for close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with
>>> adequate bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March,
>>> still don't have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they
>>> give you the flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can
>>> really offer a good value to your customers, but the months and months of
>>> excuses and poor communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on
>>> it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.
>>>
>>> Chris Fabien
>>> LakeNet LLC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Hello AF gang,

 We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution
 on our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
 experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
 on-list or off-list) your experience.

 Thanks!

 -Sean


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-19 Thread Rory Conaway 
It works well.  We couldn’t do much until they finished the backend billing 
system for us but it’s done.  Let me know if there is anything you need.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

What is the deal with Viva?  What can they provide?  How well is it working…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

We are working with Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-19 Thread Rory Conaway 
Viva doesn’t do local channels unfortunately.  It works pretty well though.  It 
also supports phones and Roku devices as well as any android device.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

can viva offer the denver local channels?

all we need is the denver broncos and the olympics honestly.  we have a lot of 
potential customers that don't want to switch from comcast because they still 
need them to get their TV.  by offering our own IPTV we can then go after that 
cable market more aggressively.  there is no over the air TV available in our 
area (mountains of CO).

-sean

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We are working with Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-19 Thread SmarterBroadband 
What is the deal with Viva?  What can they provide?  How well is it working…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

We are working with Viva Entertainment.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers. 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us 
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Hi Chris,

 

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

 

-sean

 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com 
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > wrote:

They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you 
like. 

 

Chris Fabien

LakeNet LLC

 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us 
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Hello AF gang,

 

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

 

Thanks!

 

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-19 Thread Sean Heskett 
can viva offer the denver local channels?

all we need is the denver broncos and the olympics honestly.  we have a lot
of potential customers that don't want to switch from comcast because they
still need them to get their TV.  by offering our own IPTV we can then go
after that cable market more aggressively.  there is no over the air TV
available in our area (mountains of CO).

-sean

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:

> We are working with Viva Entertainment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV
>
>
>
> I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting
> close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't
> see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of
> pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another
> option that I thought would work for my customers.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
>
>
> thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others
> which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup
> but if they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
> close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
> bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
> have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
> flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
> good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
> communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
> discuss more offlist if you like.
>
>
>
> Chris Fabien
>
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> Hello AF gang,
>
>
>
> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-19 Thread Rory Conaway 
We are working with Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-19 Thread Chris Fabien 
I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting
close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't
see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of
pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another
option that I thought would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others
> which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup
> but if they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
>> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
>> close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
>> bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
>> have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
>> flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
>> good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
>> communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
>> discuss more offlist if you like.
>>
>> Chris Fabien
>> LakeNet LLC
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello AF gang,
>>>
>>> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
>>> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
>>> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
>>> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-18 Thread Sean Heskett 
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which
is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if
they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
> close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
> bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
> have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
> flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
> good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
> communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
> discuss more offlist if you like.
>
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hello AF gang,
>>
>> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
>> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
>> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
>> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-18 Thread Chris Fabien 
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hello AF gang,
>
> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Sean
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-18 Thread Chuck McCown 
I personally think multicast video will be relegated to the same place that 
ISDN and the Newton resides.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

A WISP isn't going to succeed with multicast video.  It more or less has to be 
fiber.


-- Original Message --
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/18/2017 2:42:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

   

  Lots of chatter about Rodeo on the WISPA lists off and on.  I think it uses 
multicast vs. individual streams like Real Choice does.
  From the chatter I've read over the last few months no wisp yet has it 
running successfully.

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:16 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

No.  Never heard of them.  I would go with Real Choice if I was going to do 
IPTV.
But there are an ever increasing numbers of OTT with good programming, I 
don’t think IPTV can be a profit center.

DirectvNow, Sony VUE, SlingTV, Youtube Channel, FUBO.

Even Pluto is great and it is totally free.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Hello AF gang, 

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on 
our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience 
with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) 
your experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-18 Thread Mike Hammett 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iJUfZYZuEE 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:07:49 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV 


Hello AF gang, 


We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them. If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience. 


Thanks! 


-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-18 Thread Adam Moffett 
A WISP isn't going to succeed with multicast video.  It more or less has 
to be fiber.



-- Original Message --
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/18/2017 2:42:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV




Lots of chatter about Rodeo on the WISPA lists off and on.  I think it 
uses multicast vs. individual streams like Real Choice does.
From the chatter I've read over the last few months no wisp yet has it 
running successfully.



- Original Message -
From:Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

No.  Never heard of them.  I would go with Real Choice if I was going 
to do IPTV.
But there are an ever increasing numbers of OTT with good programming, 
I don’t think IPTV can be a profit center.


DirectvNow, Sony VUE, SlingTV, Youtube Channel, FUBO.

Even Pluto is great and it is totally free.

From:Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:07 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution 
on our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any 
experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either 
on-list or off-list) your experience.


Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-18 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 

Lots of chatter about Rodeo on the WISPA lists off and on.  I think it uses 
multicast vs. individual streams like Real Choice does.
>From the chatter I've read over the last few months no wisp yet has it running 
>successfully.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV


  No.  Never heard of them.  I would go with Real Choice if I was going to do 
IPTV.
  But there are an ever increasing numbers of OTT with good programming, I 
don’t think IPTV can be a profit center.

  DirectvNow, Sony VUE, SlingTV, Youtube Channel, FUBO.

  Even Pluto is great and it is totally free.  

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

  Hello AF gang, 

  We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

  Thanks!

  -Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-18 Thread Chuck McCown 
No.  Never heard of them.  I would go with Real Choice if I was going to do 
IPTV.
But there are an ever increasing numbers of OTT with good programming, I don’t 
think IPTV can be a profit center.

DirectvNow, Sony VUE, SlingTV, Youtube Channel, FUBO.

Even Pluto is great and it is totally free.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Hello AF gang, 

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

[AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

2017-12-18 Thread Sean Heskett 
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
on-list or off-list) your experience.

Thanks!

-Sean