Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i watched a show on that once, the guy had been killed twice and revived or
something like that. madness, but would be fun to do for one season

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:15 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> You ought to see the suit that the guys wear to work on hot 69kV lines
> around here.  They jump off of a helicopter skid onto a live wire and do
> all kinds of stuff.  Looks like chain mail.  They claim they can feel it
> when they make contact.
>
> *From:* Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
>
> We had to buy one for a tower that had some hot stuff we had to climb near
> and it worked well.  3 months later, the hot antennas were turned off.
> Still have the $ 1200  suit… also works for Bee-keepers … ummm. maybe
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 7:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
>
>
> Time to buy an RF suit?  Don’t forget the RF socks.
>
>
> http://www.rfsafetysolutions.com/RF%20Radiation%20Pages/RF_Protective_Garments.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:01 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
>
>
> Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost
> definitely paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to the
> landlord. we are colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I assume we
> are getting cooked there and have a meter lined up for next time we go up.
> Thats a telephone number i dont want to call if i dont have to
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you
> enter area by law.
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>
>
>
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
>
>
>
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>
>
>
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[chuck]

You ought to see the suit that the guys wear to work on hot 69kV lines around 
here.  They jump off of a helicopter skid onto a live wire and do all kinds of 
stuff.  Looks like chain mail.  They claim they can feel it when they make 
contact.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

We had to buy one for a tower that had some hot stuff we had to climb near and 
it worked well.  3 months later, the hot antennas were turned off.  Still have 
the $ 1200  suit… also works for Bee-keepers … ummm. maybe

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 7:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

 

Time to buy an RF suit?  Don’t forget the RF socks.

http://www.rfsafetysolutions.com/RF%20Radiation%20Pages/RF_Protective_Garments.html

 

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:01 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

 

Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost definitely 
paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to the landlord. we are 
colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I assume we are getting cooked 
there and have a meter lined up for next time we go up. Thats a telephone 
number i dont want to call if i dont have to

 

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you enter 
area by law.

On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers. 

 

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile system 
(if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such work 
locations. 

 

1 - Level above existing installation.

2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.

3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

 

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[chuck]

Good to know.  

From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your eyes start 
feeling dry, that is a good indication
you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the power turned 
down, my RF meter will start
beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[D. Ryan Spott]

Radar-Alaska

Story fun.

The Cobra Dane.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Dane

My older brother is an FAA engineer. He was installing a radar system on 
Shemya and had to have some parts flown in. Through an odd turn of 
events my sister rode out on the jet delivering the parts.


My sister worked for the local coffee roaster Kaladi Brothers. They used 
to have a contest for the most extreme place to have a cup of their 
coffee.  So while she was on the runway she snapped a picture holding 
her her cup of coffee. She had no idea what the big boxy thing in the 
background was.


A few weeks later my brother looked up while standing in line to see my 
sister's winning entry in a frame above the counter. He asked her to 
take it down as the array was still classified at that time.


Whoops!

My older brother also told me of warming his lunch on the klystron tube.

ryan


On 3/1/16 3:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:


North Warning System and DEW line as well, though some of those came 
later.


On Mar 1, 2016 3:16 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


White Alice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Alice_Communications_System

There was one in Homer, AK I went poking around in a year or two
ago :)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With very early post-ww2 radar installations in Alaska guys
would go out and
> stand in front of the dish to get warm
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth
or heat.
>> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp. 
If you feel

>> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>>
>> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type
of thing,
>> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to
biological heating
>> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was
told many years
>> ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible
organs.
>>
>> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of
radar
>> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>>
>> From: Christopher Gray
    >> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>>
>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone
equipment. I
>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9
sectors for
>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>
>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling
the mobile
>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times
associated with
>> such work locations.
>>
>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>
>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[D. Ryan Spott]

Safety is safety. (period)

I just call the number for the NOC on the fence. I ask that they turn 
the power down for that site.


I usually have to escalate the issue (safety, safety, *if you don't turn 
it down I am cutting the power at the breaker and you'll have to send 
someone out! safety, safety!)


Eventually they get the local regional manager to call me via his cell.

I tell the local regional manager guy that if it was his guys on the 
site I would turn the power down on my gear too. I tell him how long 
I'll be on the tower and that I'll call him with lots of lead time the 
next time I have to do something so he knows what is going on.


So far there has only been one regional manager that I have had to deal 
with. I have his email address. I saw him behind me in Starbucks once. I 
bought his coffee for him.


The tower owner does not care about squabbles between the tenants as 
long as they keep paying. They keep paying because they have a lease 
just like you. You do have a written lease... right?


YMMV. This worked for me.

ryan

On 3/1/16 4:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost 
definitely paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to 
the landlord. we are colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I 
assume we are getting cooked there and have a meter lined up for next 
time we go up. Thats a telephone number i dont want to call if i dont 
have to


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:


The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before
you enter area by law.

On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray"
>
wrote:

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone
equipment. I understand there are currently 6 sectors, and
will soon be 9 sectors for mobile phone service located behind
the louvers.

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling
the mobile system (if any), and if there are specific exposure
times associated with such work locations.

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Nate Burke]

In the city they have antennas on the side of buildings right outside 
office windows, or facing into the side of another building.  Doesn't 
look like there's any special shielding on them.


On 3/1/2016 11:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Our old tower guy told me that he had a metal taste when he got near 
some cell stuff on a site once. Now, you're not getting my fat ass on 
a tower, but I've been on rooftops with cell stuff (lots of it) and 
didn't notice anything. I think he was full of shit and just didn't 
want to climb that site.


On 3/1/2016 9:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

i was always told your eyes will water

could always just keep a hersheys bar in your front pocket like the 
guy with the radarrange supposedly did


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:39 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
> wrote:


In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your
eyes start feeling dry, that is a good indication
you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the
power turned down, my RF meter will start
beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[George Skorup]

Our old tower guy told me that he had a metal taste when he got near 
some cell stuff on a site once. Now, you're not getting my fat ass on a 
tower, but I've been on rooftops with cell stuff (lots of it) and didn't 
notice anything. I think he was full of shit and just didn't want to 
climb that site.


On 3/1/2016 9:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

i was always told your eyes will water

could always just keep a hersheys bar in your front pocket like the 
guy with the radarrange supposedly did


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:39 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:


In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your
eyes start feeling dry, that is a good indication
you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the
power turned down, my RF meter will start
beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Jon Langeler]

What model RF meter?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Mar 1, 2016, at 9:39 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your eyes start 
> feeling dry, that is a good indication
> you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the power turned 
> down, my RF meter will start
> beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i was always told your eyes will water

could always just keep a hersheys bar in your front pocket like the guy
with the radarrange supposedly did

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:39 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your eyes start
> feeling dry, that is a good indication
> you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the power turned
> down, my RF meter will start
> beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[can...@believewireless.net]

In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your eyes start
feeling dry, that is a good indication
you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the power turned
down, my RF meter will start
beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Ken Hohhof]

Time to buy an RF suit?  Don’t forget the RF socks.
http://www.rfsafetysolutions.com/RF%20Radiation%20Pages/RF_Protective_Garments.html


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost definitely 
paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to the landlord. we are 
colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I assume we are getting cooked 
there and have a meter lined up for next time we go up. Thats a telephone 
number i dont want to call if i dont have to

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

  The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you enter 
area by law.

  On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers. 

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile 
system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such 
work locations. 

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Craig Schmaderer]

I work by them all the time.  I have never felt any warmth so thats good.  I 
tried 4 times to make a baby and had 3 kids so that still works but it worked 
to well :)

Craig schmaderer
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:23 PM -0800, "Christopher Gray" 
<cg...@graytechsoftware.com<mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:

I have some site owners concerned about the output from my hardware. I've 
explained how low the power output is on unlicensed hardware, but showing them 
empirically would be nice.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
What 5ghz gear are you planning on being around that is going to be high enough 
output to necessitate a safety meter?

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Christopher Gray 
<cg...@graytechsoftware.com<mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
I supposed a better way to ask: Is it typical to need cellular systems turned 
off when working behind the sectors, above / below them, or in front of them?

I'm looking for some general experiences so I can plan my possible installation 
and have a sense of what to expect. I do not intend to use your experiences to 
determine whether I use PPE at all. This will be my first experience near 
higher power hardware, and I want to be appropriately prepared.

Separately, I've been looking for an RF Safety Monitor, but I'm having trouble 
finding one that will include the 5 GHz range. Does such a wide-range device 
exist at a reasonable price?

Thanks - Chris





On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need it on 
left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great vision and 
mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its true...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.  If so 
you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel any warmth 
from the antennas come back down.

It isn't an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing, but 
certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating than 
others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many years ago 
that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.

As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar antennas 
while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.

From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers.

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile system 
(if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such work 
locations.

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Christopher Gray]

I have some site owners concerned about the output from my hardware. I've
explained how low the power output is on unlicensed hardware, but showing
them empirically would be nice.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What 5ghz gear are you planning on being around that is going to be high
> enough output to necessitate a safety meter?
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I supposed a better way to ask: Is it typical to need cellular systems
>> turned off when working behind the sectors, above / below them, or in front
>> of them?
>>
>> I'm looking for some general experiences so I can plan my possible
>> installation and have a sense of what to expect. I do not intend to use
>> your experiences to determine whether I use PPE at all. This will be my
>> first experience near higher power hardware, and I want to be appropriately
>> prepared.
>>
>> Separately, I've been looking for an RF Safety Monitor, but I'm having
>> trouble finding one that will include the 5 GHz range. Does such a
>> wide-range device exist at a reasonable price?
>>
>> Thanks - Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need
>>> it on left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great
>>> vision and mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its
>>> true...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or
>>>> heat.  If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you
>>>> feel any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>>>>
>>>> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
>>>> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
>>>> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
>>>> years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>>>>
>>>> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
>>>> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Christopher Gray
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>>>>
>>>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment.
>>>> I understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
>>>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the
>>>> mobile system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated
>>>> with such work locations.
>>>>
>>>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>>>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>>>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost
definitely paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to the
landlord. we are colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I assume we
are getting cooked there and have a meter lined up for next time we go up.
Thats a telephone number i dont want to call if i dont have to

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you
> enter area by law.
> On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>
>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
>> such work locations.
>>
>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>
>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Jaime Solorza]

The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you enter
area by law.
On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
>
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Jason McKemie]

What 5ghz gear are you planning on being around that is going to be high
enough output to necessitate a safety meter?

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
wrote:

> I supposed a better way to ask: Is it typical to need cellular systems
> turned off when working behind the sectors, above / below them, or in front
> of them?
>
> I'm looking for some general experiences so I can plan my possible
> installation and have a sense of what to expect. I do not intend to use
> your experiences to determine whether I use PPE at all. This will be my
> first experience near higher power hardware, and I want to be appropriately
> prepared.
>
> Separately, I've been looking for an RF Safety Monitor, but I'm having
> trouble finding one that will include the 5 GHz range. Does such a
> wide-range device exist at a reasonable price?
>
> Thanks - Chris
>
>
>
> --
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need
>> it on left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great
>> vision and mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its
>> true...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
>>> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
>>> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>>>
>>> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
>>> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
>>> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
>>> years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>>>
>>> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
>>> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>>>
>>> *From:* Christopher Gray
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cg...@graytechsoftware.com');>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>>>
>>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
>>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
>>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>>
>>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
>>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
>>> such work locations.
>>>
>>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>>
>>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Eric Kuhnke]

North Warning System and DEW line as well, though some of those came later.
On Mar 1, 2016 3:16 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> White Alice
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Alice_Communications_System
>
> There was one in Homer, AK I went poking around in a year or two ago :)
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > With very early post-ww2 radar installations in Alaska guys would go out
> and
> > stand in front of the dish to get warm
> >
> > On Mar 1, 2016 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
> >> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you
> feel
> >> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
> >>
> >> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
> >> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological
> heating
> >> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
> years
> >> ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
> >>
> >> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
> >> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
> >>
> >> From: Christopher Gray
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
> >>
> >> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> >> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> >> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
> >>
> >> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> >> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated
> with
> >> such work locations.
> >>
> >> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> >> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> >> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
> >>
> >> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Josh Reynolds]

White Alice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Alice_Communications_System

There was one in Homer, AK I went poking around in a year or two ago :)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With very early post-ww2 radar installations in Alaska guys would go out and
> stand in front of the dish to get warm
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
>> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
>> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>>
>> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
>> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
>> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many years
>> ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>>
>> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
>> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>>
>> From: Christopher Gray
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>>
>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>
>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
>> such work locations.
>>
>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>
>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Eric Kuhnke]

With very early post-ww2 radar installations in Alaska guys would go out
and stand in front of the dish to get warm
On Mar 1, 2016 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>
> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
> years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>
> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>
> *From:* Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
>
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Christopher Gray]

I supposed a better way to ask: Is it typical to need cellular systems
turned off when working behind the sectors, above / below them, or in front
of them?

I'm looking for some general experiences so I can plan my possible
installation and have a sense of what to expect. I do not intend to use
your experiences to determine whether I use PPE at all. This will be my
first experience near higher power hardware, and I want to be appropriately
prepared.

Separately, I've been looking for an RF Safety Monitor, but I'm having
trouble finding one that will include the 5 GHz range. Does such a
wide-range device exist at a reasonable price?

Thanks - Chris



--

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need it
> on left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great
> vision and mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its
> true...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
>> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
>> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>>
>> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
>> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
>> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
>> years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>>
>> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
>> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>>
>> *From:* Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>>
>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>
>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
>> such work locations.
>>
>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>
>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Jaime Solorza]

I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need it
on left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great
vision and mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its
true...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>
> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
> years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>
> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>
> *From:* Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
>
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Chuck McCown]

A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.  If so 
you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel any warmth 
from the antennas come back down.  

It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing, but 
certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating than 
others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many years ago 
that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.  

As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar antennas 
while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.  

From: Christopher Gray 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers. 

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile system 
(if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such work 
locations. 

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Chuck Hogg]

+1.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:05 PM, John Woodfield <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
wrote:

> Buy a RF meter.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 3:02pm
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[John Woodfield]

Buy a RF meter.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 3:02pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems





I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers. 
I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile system 
(if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such work 
locations. 
1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

[AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[Christopher Gray]

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
mobile phone service located behind the louvers.

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
such work locations.

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris