Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-05 Thread chuck
I used to insist that once a quarter - if a tech was visiting a site - they 
took an extra half hour – pulled the power and logged cell voltages every 5 
minutes for at least 15 minutes in an onsite logbook.  Bad cell will show up 
pretty quick.  

Then send the results to the office where they can note in a master log book 
when the last battery test was done.  Ditto for reading the hour meter on the 
generator to make sure it was doing its exercise cycles properly.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

Yea, but at the cost of those plus the size I can pay someone to drive once a 
year and do it. Although if I were to do it again I think I would just put in 
bigger conditioned cabinets so I could put whatever I wanted in there.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:04 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  That is what I like about the BC-2000 telemetry module that you can install 
on the eltek/valre modular rectifiers.
  Scheduled or manual load testing and graphing over the network.   You never 
have to leave your chair to test all of your batts.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 11:00 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?
  AGM still needs an annual check if you want  your sites to stay up. We 
started a maintenance routine after we got caught with our pants down. We load 
tested them once every year and always ended up replacing 4 or 5 across all the 
sites. Maybe 50 or so sites or roughly 100 batteries. So maybe a failure rate 
of around 5%. Maybe I was just buying crappy AGM but they weren't cheap.

  On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:20 AM Christopher Tyler <ch...@totalhighspeed.net> 
wrote:

On a side note, most AGM batteries are also DOT approved (at least the 
Northstar brand is), so you can "legally" carry them in your vehicle without 
worrying about hazmat.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 10:16:31 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

AGM are great, unless you are cheap...

From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

Gave up flooded years ago.  Had a few sites where the APC exploded the 
batteries.  Even when that didn't happen, I got tired of the yearly battery 
check and fill at all the sites.  When I started my own company I switched to 
AGM and never looked back.  They are amazing.  Also, we don't use APCs anymore 
except at a couple of large sites where we use the 3000XL, which has a much 
better charging system.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:38 AM, David M <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

  there is always an evaporation issue with flooded..

  They have to be maintained on a regular schedule in order to have 
extended life beyond 5 yrs

  AGM/GEL expensive but reliable with little maintenance. Give em a good 
home and little venting and get

  7 to 10 with those.





  On 1/4/2018 3:47 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly set. 
If this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge controller is 
maintaining and make sure it is set to NOT do any equalize cycles.

Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is causing 
evaporation that is a different problem.

I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I dumped 
wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..

Best,
Robert

On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

  I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or 
so because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am 
finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a 
year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over gassing 
the batteries.

  Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack 
mount telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.

  What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life 
span and capacity ?

  Thanks

  TJ





Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-05 Thread Lewis Bergman
Yea, but at the cost of those plus the size I can pay someone to drive once
a year and do it. Although if I were to do it again I think I would just
put in bigger conditioned cabinets so I could put whatever I wanted in
there.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:04 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> That is what I like about the BC-2000 telemetry module that you can
> install on the eltek/valre modular rectifiers.
> Scheduled or manual load testing and graphing over the network.   You
> never have to leave your chair to test all of your batts.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2018 11:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?
> AGM still needs an annual check if you want  your sites to stay up. We
> started a maintenance routine after we got caught with our pants down. We
> load tested them once every year and always ended up replacing 4 or 5
> across all the sites. Maybe 50 or so sites or roughly 100 batteries. So
> maybe a failure rate of around 5%. Maybe I was just buying crappy AGM but
> they weren't cheap.
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:20 AM Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> On a side note, most AGM batteries are also DOT approved (at least the
>> Northstar brand is), so you can "legally" carry them in your vehicle
>> without worrying about hazmat.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107 <(417)%20851-1107>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 10:16:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?
>>
>> AGM are great, unless you are cheap...
>>
>> From: Jeremy
>> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:07 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?
>>
>> Gave up flooded years ago.  Had a few sites where the APC exploded the
>> batteries.  Even when that didn't happen, I got tired of the yearly battery
>> check and fill at all the sites.  When I started my own company I switched
>> to AGM and never looked back.  They are amazing.  Also, we don't use APCs
>> anymore except at a couple of large sites where we use the 3000XL, which
>> has a much better charging system.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:38 AM, David M <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>>
>>   there is always an evaporation issue with flooded..
>>
>>   They have to be maintained on a regular schedule in order to have
>> extended life beyond 5 yrs
>>
>>   AGM/GEL expensive but reliable with little maintenance. Give em a good
>> home and little venting and get
>>
>>   7 to 10 with those.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   On 1/4/2018 3:47 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly
>> set. If this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge controller is
>> maintaining and make sure it is set to NOT do any equalize cycles.
>>
>> Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is
>> causing evaporation that is a different problem.
>>
>> I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I
>> dumped wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..
>>
>> Best,
>> Robert
>>
>> On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>>   I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years
>> or so because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am
>> finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a
>> year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over
>> gassing the batteries.
>>
>>   Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack
>> mount telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.
>>
>>   What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life
>> span and capacity ?
>>
>>   Thanks
>>
>>   TJ
>>
>>
>>
>>


Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-05 Thread chuck
That is what I like about the BC-2000 telemetry module that you can install on 
the eltek/valre modular rectifiers.
Scheduled or manual load testing and graphing over the network.   You never 
have to leave your chair to test all of your batts.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 11:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

AGM still needs an annual check if you want  your sites to stay up. We started 
a maintenance routine after we got caught with our pants down. We load tested 
them once every year and always ended up replacing 4 or 5 across all the sites. 
Maybe 50 or so sites or roughly 100 batteries. So maybe a failure rate of 
around 5%. Maybe I was just buying crappy AGM but they weren't cheap.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:20 AM Christopher Tyler <ch...@totalhighspeed.net> 
wrote:

  On a side note, most AGM batteries are also DOT approved (at least the 
Northstar brand is), so you can "legally" carry them in your vehicle without 
worrying about hazmat.

  --
  Christopher Tyler
  MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
  Total Highspeed Internet Services
  417.851.1107

  - Original Message -
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 10:16:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

  AGM are great, unless you are cheap...

  From: Jeremy
  Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:07 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

  Gave up flooded years ago.  Had a few sites where the APC exploded the 
batteries.  Even when that didn't happen, I got tired of the yearly battery 
check and fill at all the sites.  When I started my own company I switched to 
AGM and never looked back.  They are amazing.  Also, we don't use APCs anymore 
except at a couple of large sites where we use the 3000XL, which has a much 
better charging system.

  On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:38 AM, David M <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

there is always an evaporation issue with flooded..

They have to be maintained on a regular schedule in order to have extended 
life beyond 5 yrs

AGM/GEL expensive but reliable with little maintenance. Give em a good home 
and little venting and get

7 to 10 with those.





On 1/4/2018 3:47 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

  Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly set. 
If this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge controller is 
maintaining and make sure it is set to NOT do any equalize cycles.

  Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is causing 
evaporation that is a different problem.

  I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I dumped 
wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..

  Best,
  Robert

  On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or 
so because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am 
finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a 
year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over gassing 
the batteries.

Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack mount 
telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.

What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life span 
and capacity ?

Thanks

TJ





Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-05 Thread Lewis Bergman
AGM still needs an annual check if you want  your sites to stay up. We
started a maintenance routine after we got caught with our pants down. We
load tested them once every year and always ended up replacing 4 or 5
across all the sites. Maybe 50 or so sites or roughly 100 batteries. So
maybe a failure rate of around 5%. Maybe I was just buying crappy AGM but
they weren't cheap.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:20 AM Christopher Tyler <ch...@totalhighspeed.net>
wrote:

> On a side note, most AGM batteries are also DOT approved (at least the
> Northstar brand is), so you can "legally" carry them in your vehicle
> without worrying about hazmat.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107 <(417)%20851-1107>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 10:16:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?
>
> AGM are great, unless you are cheap...
>
> From: Jeremy
> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:07 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?
>
> Gave up flooded years ago.  Had a few sites where the APC exploded the
> batteries.  Even when that didn't happen, I got tired of the yearly battery
> check and fill at all the sites.  When I started my own company I switched
> to AGM and never looked back.  They are amazing.  Also, we don't use APCs
> anymore except at a couple of large sites where we use the 3000XL, which
> has a much better charging system.
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:38 AM, David M <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>
>   there is always an evaporation issue with flooded..
>
>   They have to be maintained on a regular schedule in order to have
> extended life beyond 5 yrs
>
>   AGM/GEL expensive but reliable with little maintenance. Give em a good
> home and little venting and get
>
>   7 to 10 with those.
>
>
>
>
>
>   On 1/4/2018 3:47 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
> Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly
> set. If this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge controller is
> maintaining and make sure it is set to NOT do any equalize cycles.
>
> Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is
> causing evaporation that is a different problem.
>
> I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I
> dumped wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
>   I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years
> or so because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am
> finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a
> year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over
> gassing the batteries.
>
>   Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack
> mount telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.
>
>   What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life
> span and capacity ?
>
>   Thanks
>
>   TJ
>
>
>
>


Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-05 Thread Christopher Tyler
On a side note, most AGM batteries are also DOT approved (at least the 
Northstar brand is), so you can "legally" carry them in your vehicle without 
worrying about hazmat.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 10:16:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

AGM are great, unless you are cheap...

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

Gave up flooded years ago.  Had a few sites where the APC exploded the 
batteries.  Even when that didn't happen, I got tired of the yearly battery 
check and fill at all the sites.  When I started my own company I switched to 
AGM and never looked back.  They are amazing.  Also, we don't use APCs anymore 
except at a couple of large sites where we use the 3000XL, which has a much 
better charging system.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:38 AM, David M <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

  there is always an evaporation issue with flooded..

  They have to be maintained on a regular schedule in order to have extended 
life beyond 5 yrs

  AGM/GEL expensive but reliable with little maintenance. Give em a good home 
and little venting and get

  7 to 10 with those. 





  On 1/4/2018 3:47 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly set. If 
this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge controller is maintaining 
and make sure it is set to NOT do any equalize cycles.

Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is causing 
evaporation that is a different problem.

I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I dumped 
wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..

Best,
Robert

On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

  I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or so 
because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am finding 
that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a year 
sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over gassing the 
batteries.

  Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack mount 
telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.

  What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life span 
and capacity ?

  Thanks

  TJ





Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-05 Thread chuck
AGM are great, unless you are cheap...

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

Gave up flooded years ago.  Had a few sites where the APC exploded the 
batteries.  Even when that didn't happen, I got tired of the yearly battery 
check and fill at all the sites.  When I started my own company I switched to 
AGM and never looked back.  They are amazing.  Also, we don't use APCs anymore 
except at a couple of large sites where we use the 3000XL, which has a much 
better charging system.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:38 AM, David M <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

  there is always an evaporation issue with flooded..

  They have to be maintained on a regular schedule in order to have extended 
life beyond 5 yrs

  AGM/GEL expensive but reliable with little maintenance. Give em a good home 
and little venting and get

  7 to 10 with those. 





  On 1/4/2018 3:47 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly set. If 
this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge controller is maintaining 
and make sure it is set to NOT do any equalize cycles.

Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is causing 
evaporation that is a different problem.

I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I dumped 
wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..

Best,
Robert

On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

  I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or so 
because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am finding 
that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a year 
sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over gassing the 
batteries.

  Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack mount 
telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.

  What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life span 
and capacity ?

  Thanks

  TJ





Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-05 Thread Jeremy
Gave up flooded years ago.  Had a few sites where the APC exploded the
batteries.  Even when that didn't happen, I got tired of the yearly battery
check and fill at all the sites.  When I started my own company I switched
to AGM and never looked back.  They are amazing.  Also, we don't use APCs
anymore except at a couple of large sites where we use the 3000XL, which
has a much better charging system.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:38 AM, David M  wrote:

> there is always an evaporation issue with flooded..
>
> They have to be maintained on a regular schedule in order to have extended
> life beyond 5 yrs
>
> AGM/GEL expensive but reliable with little maintenance. Give em a good
> home and little venting and get
>
> 7 to 10 with those.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/4/2018 3:47 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly set.
>> If this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge controller is
>> maintaining and make sure it is set to NOT do any equalize cycles.
>>
>> Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is causing
>> evaporation that is a different problem.
>>
>> I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I dumped
>> wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..
>>
>> Best,
>> Robert
>>
>> On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>>> I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or so
>>> because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am
>>> finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a
>>> year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over
>>> gassing the batteries.
>>>
>>> Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack mount
>>> telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.
>>>
>>> What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life span
>>> and capacity ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> TJ
>>>
>>
>


Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-05 Thread David M

there is always an evaporation issue with flooded..

They have to be maintained on a regular schedule in order to have 
extended life beyond 5 yrs


AGM/GEL expensive but reliable with little maintenance. Give em a good 
home and little venting and get


7 to 10 with those.




On 1/4/2018 3:47 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly 
set. If this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge 
controller is maintaining and make sure it is set to NOT do any 
equalize cycles.


Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is 
causing evaporation that is a different problem.


I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I 
dumped wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..


Best,
Robert

On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or 
so because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I 
am finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at 
least twice a year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge 
controller over gassing the batteries.


Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack 
mount telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.


What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life 
span and capacity ?


Thanks

TJ




Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-04 Thread Carl Peterson
Best bang for the buck depends on a lot of things.  What does maintenance
cost you?  What does shipping cost?

I've settled on Northstar NSB100FT Red for our core sites.  If I get 8-10
years out of them without touching them, then I'd say they are a good
deal.  Less then 8 and they aren't worth it.  More then 10 would be best
bang for the buck IMHO.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly set. If
> this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge controller is
> maintaining and make sure it is set to NOT do any equalize cycles.
>
> Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is causing
> evaporation that is a different problem.
>
> I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I dumped
> wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
>
> On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
>> I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or so
>> because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am
>> finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a
>> year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over
>> gassing the batteries.
>>
>> Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack mount
>> telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.
>>
>> What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life span
>> and capacity ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> TJ
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707


Re: [AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-04 Thread Robert Andrews
Sounds like a problem with the Charge controller being incorrectly set. 
If this is on-grid, I would lower the voltage the charge controller is 
maintaining and make sure it is set to NOT do any equalize cycles.


Then flooded should be better.  Of course if the environment is causing 
evaporation that is a different problem.


I didn't find telecom batteries were worth the expense.  So if I dumped 
wet, I would probably go with sealed Marine..


Best,
Robert

On 01/04/2018 01:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or so 
because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am 
finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least 
twice a year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge 
controller over gassing the batteries.


Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack mount 
telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.


What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life span 
and capacity ?


Thanks

TJ


[AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

2018-01-04 Thread TJ Trout
I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or so
because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am
finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a
year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over
gassing the batteries.

Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack mount
telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.

What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life span and
capacity ?

Thanks

TJ