Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements?
It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs J Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim mailto:af-bounces%2Btim =velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
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Well... Less than what ookla wants for their thing. The issue really boils down to the frailties of a browser-based speed test running on questionable hardware versus a known quantity (btest or equivalent) and having to put in hardware in inconvenient places. bp On 10/22/2014 5:28 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs J Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.net http://speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.net http://speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io http://speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim mailto:af-bounces%2Btim=velociter@afmug.com mailto:velociter@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net http://speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io http://speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements?
What kind of data do you want? We were thinking a simple brandable speedtest site.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I would say one time price of about $500, all data saved on local mysql. May charge operator for hosting if they want to do it that way. If you do come up with new upgrade then charge about $250 for upgrade. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com http://www.westernbroadband.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs J Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim mailto:af-bounces%2Btim =velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements?
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Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements?
:D hehehe.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs J Include it with towercoverage.com account
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements?
Please incorporate a limit on the number of tests a user can run in a given period. And rule for installers/techs to bypass the limit. I see some customers have OCD and run them in threes every three hours! On 10/22/2014 9:47 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: What kind of data do you want? We were thinking a simple brandable speedtest site.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:09 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I would say one time price of about $500, all data saved on local mysql. May charge operator for hosting if they want to do it that way. If you do come up with new upgrade then charge about $250 for upgrade. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com http://www.westernbroadband.com/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs J Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.net http://speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.net http://speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io http://speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim mailto:af-bounces%2Btim=velociter@afmug.com mailto:velociter@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net http
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements?
MOS? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:53:45 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? latency and jitter. On 10/22/2014 10:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Forward and reverse traceroutes at the time of the test? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:40:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Time, date, speed test results, IP address, etc. On Wednesday, October 22, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote What kind of data do you want? We were thinking a simple brandable speedtest site.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I would say one time price of about $500, all data saved on local mysql. May charge operator for hosting if they want to do it that way. If you do come up with new upgrade then charge about $250 for upgrade. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs J Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: blockquote We found speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: blockquote FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned ( speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim From: Af [mailto: af-bounces+tim = velociter@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Why not just host a speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io , but would like to get
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That would be nice as well. I also like the idea of limiting how many times these can be run in a given time period, some people do have a tendency to sit there and test until they get the result they're looking for. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Forward and reverse traceroutes at the time of the test? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:40:12 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Time, date, speed test results, IP address, etc. On Wednesday, October 22, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What kind of data do you want? We were thinking a simple brandable speedtest site.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:09 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I would say one time price of about $500, all data saved on local mysql. May charge operator for hosting if they want to do it that way. If you do come up with new upgrade then charge about $250 for upgrade. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs J Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned ( speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net server and have your customers test
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Speedtest site has to sit on our network, so we eliminate any problem on the net and can show customer that it is performing within our network fine. Branable is must. This is what ookla gives: CLIENT IP ADDRESS ,CLIENT LOCATION, TEST DATE SERVER ,downloadDOWNLOAD ,uploadUPLOAD ,latencyLATENCY ,USER AGENT Above is sufficient. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 http://www.westernbroadband.com/ www.westernbroadband.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? What kind of data do you want? We were thinking a simple brandable speedtest site.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I would say one time price of about $500, all data saved on local mysql. May charge operator for hosting if they want to do it that way. If you do come up with new upgrade then charge about $250 for upgrade. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com http://www.westernbroadband.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs :-) Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim mailto:af-bounces%2Btim =velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io
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I have seen this. Annoys me seeing them on the reports. Speedtest every 30 seconds lol. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? That would be nice as well. I also like the idea of limiting how many times these can be run in a given time period, some people do have a tendency to sit there and test until they get the result they're looking for. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Forward and reverse traceroutes at the time of the test? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:40:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Time, date, speed test results, IP address, etc. On Wednesday, October 22, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What kind of data do you want? We were thinking a simple brandable speedtest site.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I would say one time price of about $500, all data saved on local mysql. May charge operator for hosting if they want to do it that way. If you do come up with new upgrade then charge about $250 for upgrade. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077tel:512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.comhttp://www.westernbroadband.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:28 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs ☺ Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.iohttp://speedtest.io
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I would be interested in this as well Dennis. $500 seems fair. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Speedtest site has to sit on our network, so we eliminate any problem on the net and can show customer that it is performing within our network fine. Branable is must. This is what ookla gives: CLIENT IP ADDRESS ,CLIENT LOCATION, TEST DATE SERVER ,[download]DOWNLOAD ,[upload]UPLOAD ,[latency]LATENCY ,USER AGENT Above is sufficient. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.comhttp://www.westernbroadband.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? What kind of data do you want? We were thinking a simple brandable speedtest site.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I would say one time price of about $500, all data saved on local mysql. May charge operator for hosting if they want to do it that way. If you do come up with new upgrade then charge about $250 for upgrade. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.comhttp://www.westernbroadband.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:28 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs ☺ Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.iohttp://speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+timmailto:af-bounces%2Btim=velociter@afmug.commailto:velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really
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mtr -c 10 -rw/ csv output (don't remember that command flag:]) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/22/2014 07:53 AM, Keefe John via Af wrote: latency and jitter. On 10/22/2014 10:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Forward and reverse traceroutes at the time of the test? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:40:12 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Time, date, speed test results, IP address, etc. On Wednesday, October 22, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What kind of data do you want? We were thinking a simple brandable speedtest site.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:09 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I would say one time price of about $500, all data saved on local mysql. May charge operator for hosting if they want to do it that way. If you do come up with new upgrade then charge about $250 for upgrade. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com http://www.westernbroadband.com/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? It was, not anymore. What would be a good cost that you would pay for? i.e. I was thinking of my team programming up one for WISPs J Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:38 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.net http://speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.net http://speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io http://speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control
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This would be my preference. I have an issue with paying annual license fees for something that has a static purpose and doesn't need updating. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or... You could do a one-time fee with a very limited or no updates for a bit more.
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I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.nethttp://speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.iohttp://speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
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If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io , but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
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I’m going to start numbering Mike’s rules so he can just post the number. 1) You are responsible if your upstream sucks. 2) Don’t use omnis. more? From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
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3) Don't bridge? 4) Have your own DNS? ... 99) Eat Giordano’s pizza? From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? As someone that uses InterNAP, you should be proud of your quality connection. I'd imagine it's very rare you have any sort of issue like that. Don't bridge? Have your own DNS? I'm sure there's more. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:19:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I’m going to start numbering Mike’s rules so he can just post the number. 1) You are responsible if your upstream sucks. 2) Don’t use omnis. more? From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned (speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
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not so much for users, but for installers, if you have your own locally hosted copy of speedtest mini: https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/speed-test-nerds On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm certainly not opposed to a self-hosted speedtest if you can find a good one. I may implement whatever this thread determines. However, none of the speedtest servers in my area do a particularly terrible job. Several WISPs run them around here as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:32:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I'm not sure why this diverted to upstream providers over a viable self-hosted speedtest? Regardless if your upstream sucks or not, you cannot control the bandwidth availability (or reliability) of some anonymous speed test server you yourself do not control. -Tim -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? On 10/21/14, 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: 1) You are responsible if your upstream sucks. Why wouldn't you be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H3rdfI28s0
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This. Also, there are known and many suspected cases of providers throttling and adjusting speedtests from other isps to better represent themselves in ookla netguage metrics. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/21/2014 03:32 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af wrote: I'm not sure why this diverted to upstream providers over a viable self-hosted speedtest? Regardless if your upstream sucks or not, you cannot control the bandwidth availability (or reliability) of some anonymous speed test server you yourself do not control. -Tim -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? On 10/21/14, 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: 1) You are responsible if your upstream sucks. Why wouldn't you be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H3rdfI28s0
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Rackspace. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:39:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? Customers will pull speedtest sites out of their ass. I had a customer the other day testing to bandwidthplace.com, no idea who they are or where they are hosting their Chicago server, but the results were way off. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I'm certainly not opposed to a self-hosted speedtest if you can find a good one. I may implement whatever this thread determines. However, none of the speedtest servers in my area do a particularly terrible job. Several WISPs run them around here as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:32:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I'm not sure why this diverted to upstream providers over a viable self-hosted speedtest? Regardless if your upstream sucks or not, you cannot control the bandwidth availability (or reliability) of some anonymous speed test server you yourself do not control. -Tim -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? On 10/21/14, 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: 1) You are responsible if your upstream sucks. Why wouldn't you be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H3rdfI28s0
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Per the Mikrotik forums it looks like it is proprietary. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Isn't the bandwidth test built into Mikrotik a variant of iperf? bp On 10/21/2014 7:00 PM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We found speedtest.net to be very unreliable even though we have a server hosted in our datacenter. We also run speedtest mini and it is not very reliable, especially for 25mbps or greater. Iperf, however, works every time. On 10/21/2014 7:09 PM, Jon Auer via Af wrote: FWIW at one time we had three peers (no open internet/upstream to worry about) running speedtest.net servers and still saw a lot of variation in performance. The server on a network run by a world-famous optimization nerd reported much higher speeds and more consistent results than the one run by the fellow WISP or the one run by a IT consultant... On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If your upstreams suck, your customer's speedtests should reflect that and be addressed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:15:06 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I hate to necro an old thread, but has anyone devised an alternative? We’re looking at the same dilemma of our own speedtest. It’s always been nice to have the Ookla speedtest not just in terms of performance, but the ability to reference actual results as well (since customers sometimes misinterpret the results). From the other speedtests mentioned ( speedtest.io and openspeedtest) it appears that neither are something you can install on a local machine. Our personal preference is so customers can see what their speeds are within our control (the speedtest server is right next to our upstreams). -Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? May be we will try that. But as a speedtest product from ookla, I am surprised there isn't really good competing product in the market. One would think there should be market for such product. No wonder they are raising the price. Tushar On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not just host a speedtest.net server and have your customers test to it? -forrest On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
[AFMUG] Speedtest replacements?
We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
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So, what are the licensing costs? Is this for private use or does it also cost to run a public speedtest.net server? On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Us too. Same story with Ookla. Like their interface, but their prices are too steep for what we use it for. bp On 9/23/2014 7:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
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The current version we use is a basic SpeedTest interface, and Ookla stores the results in a database, so we can review all the results for a particular IP address (great for those pesky “my speedtest results always suck” customers) – that was costing us $500/year. The other advantage is that we give our Speedtest server URL to our customers, and they don’t see ads, including ads for rival ISPs. In the now-typical cycle, Ookla has decided to discontinue support for this popular product, and are trying to move us to their new NetGauge product, which is nearly $2000 for the yearly license, and another $1000 for one-time setup/customization/branding, which they offer to waive if we renew. I don’t need all the new features, and don’t want to spend 4 times as much for them… Darren From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dshea=ecpi@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? So, what are the licensing costs? Is this for private use or does it also cost to run a public speedtest.net server? On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Us too. Same story with Ookla. Like their interface, but their prices are too steep for what we use it for. bp On 9/23/2014 7:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
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uh oh... Simon On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
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Not the same number of threads, differentresults, not customizable. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/23/2014 07:41 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: speedtest mini, it's just a PHP script and some files... http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The current version we use is a basic SpeedTest interface, and Ookla stores the results in a database, so we can review all the results for a particular IP address (great for those pesky “my speedtest results always suck” customers) – that was costing us $500/year. The other advantage is that we give our Speedtest server URL to our customers, and they don’t see ads, including ads for rival ISPs. In the now-typical cycle, Ookla has decided to discontinue support for this popular product, and are trying to move us to their new NetGauge product, which is nearly $2000 for the yearly license, and another $1000 for one-time setup/customization/branding, which they offer to waive if we renew. I don’t need all the new features, and don’t want to spend 4 times as much for them… Darren *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+dshea mailto:af-bounces%2Bdshea=ecpi@afmug.com mailto:ecpi@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:13 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? So, what are the licensing costs? Is this for private use or does it also cost to run a public speedtest.net http://speedtest.net server? On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Us too. Same story with Ookla. Like their interface, but their prices are too steep for what we use it for. bp On 9/23/2014 7:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io http://speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
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+1 this is what we use is the speedtest mini also. Just something for our techs to verify service is all. On 09/23/2014 10:41 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: speedtest mini, it's just a PHP script and some files... http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Darren Shea via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The current version we use is a basic SpeedTest interface, and Ookla stores the results in a database, so we can review all the results for a particular IP address (great for those pesky “my speedtest results always suck” customers) – that was costing us $500/year. The other advantage is that we give our Speedtest server URL to our customers, and they don’t see ads, including ads for rival ISPs. In the now-typical cycle, Ookla has decided to discontinue support for this popular product, and are trying to move us to their new NetGauge product, which is nearly $2000 for the yearly license, and another $1000 for one-time setup/customization/branding, which they offer to waive if we renew. I don’t need all the new features, and don’t want to spend 4 times as much for them… Darren *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+dshea mailto:af-bounces%2Bdshea=ecpi@afmug.com mailto:ecpi@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:13 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? So, what are the licensing costs? Is this for private use or does it also cost to run a public speedtest.net http://speedtest.net server? On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Us too. Same story with Ookla. Like their interface, but their prices are too steep for what we use it for. bp On 9/23/2014 7:34 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: We currently host our own speedtest server using Ookla's speedtest technology, but Ookla is discontinuing the version we run, and the licensing fees for the new version are very steep. I'm looking at alternatives, such as OpenSpeedTest and speed.io http://speed.io, but would like to get some feedback on these if anyone is using them. We once tried using Brandon Checkett's Fancy Speed Test, but the results display was not really in line with what we wanted. Does anyone hosting their own, non-Ookla, speedtest server have some success stories or horror stories about particular packages? Thank you, Darren
