Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Josh Reynolds]

This is what we've used in the past.

On Jul 8, 2017 1:03 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit
> with integrated trace wire.
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Newbie questions…
>>
>>
>>
>> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
>> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
>> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
>> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
>> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>>
>>
>>
>> What do I put in?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Chris Fabien]

Millennium

On Jul 8, 2017 10:02 PM, "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote:

> What supplier?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> You can get purpose designed trace wire that is copper clad high tensile
> strength steel wire with a heavy polyethylene jacket. For 14ga we pay about
> 6 cents a foot on 2500ft spools.
>
> On Jul 8, 2017 4:25 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I didn't purchase it directly, got it through a contractor.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.
>>>
>>> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make
>>> conduit with integrated trace wire.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Newbie questions…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
>>>> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
>>>> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
>>>> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
>>>> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do I put in?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>>
>>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>>
>>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>>
>>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>>
>>>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>>>
>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');
>>>>
>>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>>
>>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Jon Langeler]

What supplier?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jul 8, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
> 
> You can get purpose designed trace wire that is copper clad high tensile 
> strength steel wire with a heavy polyethylene jacket. For 14ga we pay about 6 
> cents a foot on 2500ft spools. 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:25 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Yeah, I didn't purchase it directly, got it through a contractor.
>> 
>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy. 
>>>  
>>> From: Jason McKemie
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.
>>>  
>>> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit 
>>> with integrated trace wire.
>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>>> Newbie questions…
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR 
>>>> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an 
>>>> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the 
>>>> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make 
>>>> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> What do I put in?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>> 
>>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>> 
>>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>> 
>>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>> 
>>>> 772-564-6800 
>>>> 
>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');
>>>> 
>>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>> 
>>>> www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Chris Fabien]

You can get purpose designed trace wire that is copper clad high tensile
strength steel wire with a heavy polyethylene jacket. For 14ga we pay about
6 cents a foot on 2500ft spools.

On Jul 8, 2017 4:25 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
wrote:

> Yeah, I didn't purchase it directly, got it through a contractor.
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.
>>
>> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit
>> with integrated trace wire.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Newbie questions…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
>>> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
>>> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
>>> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
>>> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do I put in?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>>
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Adam Moffett]

I think it just has to be conductive and jacketed.  Jacketed because the 
locator transmitter will want to have only one ground connection, and if 
you're accidentally grounded on water in the pipe I'm not sure what will 
happen.but I'm guessing you wouldn't be able to trace past that 
spot.


A 14ga THHN would do the job.  Some cables have a tracer wire built in.

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/8/2017 11:59:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.


Newbie questions…



We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR 
tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an 
afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the 
pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and 
make I easier for future people to locate my stuff.




Did I mention it was a newbie question right?



What do I put in?



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I didn't purchase it directly, got it through a contractor.

On Saturday, July 8, 2017, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.
>
> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit
> with integrated trace wire.
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
>> Newbie questions…
>>
>>
>>
>> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
>> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
>> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
>> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
>> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>>
>>
>>
>> What do I put in?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[chuck]

I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit with 
integrated trace wire.

On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  Newbie questions…



  We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR tracks 
for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an afterthought I was 
thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the pipe, so we can “register 
it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make I easier for future people to 
locate my stuff.



  Did I mention it was a newbie question right?



  What do I put in?



  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Jason McKemie]

It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit
with integrated trace wire.

On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Newbie questions…
>
>
>
> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>
>
>
> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>
>
>
> What do I put in?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Colin Stanners]

Install the trace wire next to / outside the conduit so that it doesn't get
tangled up with the lines inside. If ever it fails you can install a new
one inside the conduit.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Newbie questions…
>
>
>
> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>
>
>
> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>
>
>
> What do I put in?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[chuck]

Keep in mind, when you register it, you will get the locate requests.  One call 
under ground locating folks just serve to distribute the locate requests, they 
do not do any of the locating.  Owners of the underground facilities are 
responsible for doing the locates.  And if you fail to do the locate and you 
get damaged you eat it.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

Newbie questions…

 

We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR tracks 
for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an afterthought I was 
thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the pipe, so we can “register 
it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make I easier for future people to 
locate my stuff.

 

Did I mention it was a newbie question right?

 

What do I put in?

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[chuck]

I would use “Mule Tape” with the tracer wire in it.  That way when you go to 
pull in the cable, the pulling tape is already there.  
But yes, any conductive element will work.  If you use wire, us one thick 
enough that it will not break when you go to pull it out.  
I have seen guys put in 22 gauge and then have it snap on them when they go to 
put in their cable.  

http://www.neptco.com/website/neptco.nsf/270d11395818a46685256aa0006269e4/d0e2e8cd77971e6c85256928005f1c0e?OpenDocument

http://www.southwire.com/ProductCatalog/XTEInterfaceServlet?contentKey=prodcatsheetcond4

https://ribbonfactory.com/store/display_item/1107.html

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

Newbie questions…

 

We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR tracks 
for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an afterthought I was 
thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the pipe, so we can “register 
it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make I easier for future people to 
locate my stuff.

 

Did I mention it was a newbie question right?

 

What do I put in?

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

[AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Paul McCall]

Newbie questions...

We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR tracks 
for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an afterthought I was 
thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the pipe, so we can "register 
it" with One -Call service (in Florida) and make I easier for future people to 
locate my stuff.

Did I mention it was a newbie question right?

What do I put in?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com