Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Horns

[Steve Jones]

We are putting 2000 up where the 1000 sectors are and pulling the 1000 for
the horns, we have a couple towers where sectors will overload them so this
fills the ticket... Til we run out of 1000s to replace.

On May 4, 2017 9:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am going to try some soon.  Local WISP swears by them on epmp
>
> On May 4, 2017 8:01 PM, "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hm - I wonder if the 40deg models are even being made yet?  I need to
>> split an overloaded 90deg sector.  Was planning on doing it using a couple
>> 40deg horns.  guess I'll have to see if 2x30deg CC horns will work, or just
>> use ePMP 1000 and the normal 40deg horns with twistport adapters.
>>
>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, no.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:54:38 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Horns
>>>
>>> Doesn't look like there are twistport adapters for ePMP 2000, so do I
>>> need to use the 'carrier class' horns with N-connectors [1] instead?
>>>
>>> Anyone know who has the 40deg/16db models in stock?
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-hor
>>> n-carrier-class/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Horns

[Jaime Solorza]

I am going to try some soon.  Local WISP swears by them on epmp

On May 4, 2017 8:01 PM, "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hm - I wonder if the 40deg models are even being made yet?  I need to
> split an overloaded 90deg sector.  Was planning on doing it using a couple
> 40deg horns.  guess I'll have to see if 2x30deg CC horns will work, or just
> use ePMP 1000 and the normal 40deg horns with twistport adapters.
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, no.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:54:38 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Horns
>>
>> Doesn't look like there are twistport adapters for ePMP 2000, so do I
>> need to use the 'carrier class' horns with N-connectors [1] instead?
>>
>> Anyone know who has the 40deg/16db models in stock?
>>
>> [1] https://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-hor
>> n-carrier-class/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Horns

[Josh Baird]

Hm - I wonder if the 40deg models are even being made yet?  I need to split
an overloaded 90deg sector.  Was planning on doing it using a couple 40deg
horns.  guess I'll have to see if 2x30deg CC horns will work, or just use
ePMP 1000 and the normal 40deg horns with twistport adapters.

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Yes, no.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:54:38 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Horns
>
> Doesn't look like there are twistport adapters for ePMP 2000, so do I need
> to use the 'carrier class' horns with N-connectors [1] instead?
>
> Anyone know who has the 40deg/16db models in stock?
>
> [1] https://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-
> horn-carrier-class/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Horns

[Mike Hammett]

Yes, no. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:54:38 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Horns 


Doesn't look like there are twistport adapters for ePMP 2000, so do I need to 
use the 'carrier class' horns with N-connectors [1] instead? 


Anyone know who has the 40deg/16db models in stock? 


[1] 
https://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/
 

[AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements Horns

[Josh Baird]

Doesn't look like there are twistport adapters for ePMP 2000, so do I need
to use the 'carrier class' horns with N-connectors [1] instead?

Anyone know who has the 40deg/16db models in stock?

[1]
https://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Mathew Howard]

oh! I hadn't seen that they have them with N connectors now...

I was actually thinking about this the other day... if we were to put up 8
(or even 12) horns instead of 4 90 degree sectors, we'd be able to get away
with using ePMP LiteAP's on most, if not all of our sites. I'm thinking
that the cost wouldn't be significantly more than using full APs with 90
degree sectors, and it should be way better in just about every way.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Get more of them?  :-)
>
>
> I saw someone in NZ (I actually think he's on this list to) had replaced
> their UBNT 120* sector with 4x 30* horns and everything was better after.
>
>
>
> 41 dB F/B sure is nice on a "sector".  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:42:58 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
> These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for
> normal towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But
> they are great as additional sectors for segments where there are more
> users. They have the best FB/Ratio you can get.
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Adam Moffett
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 16. August 2016 15:31
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> I've never looked closely.  Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in
> the elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric
> sector for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth.
>
> Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
> I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if it's
> not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear.  I.E.
> if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher
> rather than lower?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> "Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those
> that have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight
> with the antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across
> the band and across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major
> nulls where your 18 dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has
> almost no emissions outside of the intended area. That means you have a
> significantly lower amount o

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Mike Hammett]

Get more of them? :-) 


I saw someone in NZ (I actually think he's on this list to) had replaced their 
UBNT 120* sector with 4x 30* horns and everything was better after. 



41 dB F/B sure is nice on a "sector". :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:42:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 



These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for normal 
towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But they are 
great as additional sectors for segments where there are more users. They have 
the best FB/Ratio you can get. 



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2016 15:31 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 


I've never looked closely. Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in the 
elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 






Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric sector 
for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth. 

Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





- Original Message -


From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com , af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 

I'm not sure if that all jives. The energy has to go somewhere...if it's not 
coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear. I.E. if it's 
not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher rather than 
lower? 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 






"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that 
have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the 
antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and 
across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 
dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions 
outside of the intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount 
of noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much signal, 
but the noise should be more than the difference less. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






- Original Message -


From: "Matt" < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. 

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Josh Reynolds]

That's not true at all, in fact you will likely have more uniform coverage
for 256QAM sites - especially for those customers closer to the tower.
Ideally you'd be using the 30-60deg horns to keep per AP density as low as
reasonably possible, but for the suburbs / subdivisions these are great.

On Aug 16, 2016 8:42 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> wrote:

> These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for
> normal towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But
> they are great as additional sectors for segments where there are more
> users. They have the best FB/Ratio you can get.
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Adam Moffett
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 16. August 2016 15:31
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> I've never looked closely.  Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in
> the elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric
> sector for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth.
>
> Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
> I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if it's
> not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear.  I.E.
> if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher
> rather than lower?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
>
>
> "Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those
> that have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight
> with the antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across
> the band and across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major
> nulls where your 18 dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has
> almost no emissions outside of the intended area. That means you have a
> significantly lower amount of noise heard from outside the intended area.
> *May* not have as much signal, but the noise should be more than the
> difference less.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements
>
> > Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and
> it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.
>
> There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be
> limiting.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Stefan Englhardt]

These Horns does not have a „sector pattern“. So they are useless for normal 
towers where you want 360 degree coverage in the first place. But they are 
great as additional sectors for segments where there are more users. They have 
the best FB/Ratio you can get.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2016 15:31
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements



I've never looked closely.  Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in the 
elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it.





-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> >

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements



Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric sector 
for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth.

Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>





  _


From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> , af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if it's not 
coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear.  I.E. if it's 
not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher rather than 
lower?





-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> >

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements



"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that 
have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the 
antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and 
across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 
dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions 
outside of the intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount 
of noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much signal, 
but the noise should be more than the difference less.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>





  _


From: "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Chuck McCown]

Open waveguide has about 10 dB of gain by itself.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and 
it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.


There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be 
limiting. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Adam Moffett]

I've never looked closely.  Yeah I guess if you get the same pattern in 
the elevation as you do in the azimuth then that would explain it.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/16/2016 9:25:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric 
sector for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth.


Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if 
it's not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or 
rear.  I.E. if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't 
the gain by higher rather than lower?



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and 
those that have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be 
compared straight with the antennas we're used to. For one, it's a 
consistent value across the band and across the intended radiation 
pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 dB antenna is really 
only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions outside of the 
intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount of 
noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much 
signal, but the noise should be more than the difference less.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 
(and it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.


There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be 
limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Mike Hammett]

Most sectors spew shit all over the place. It's also called a symmetric sector 
for a reason. The V beamwidth matches the H beamwidth. 

Surely this isn't the first time you've seen these. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:21:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 


I'm not sure if that all jives. The energy has to go somewhere...if it's not 
coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or rear. I.E. if it's 
not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the gain by higher rather than 
lower? 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 




"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that 
have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the 
antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and 
across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 
dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions 
outside of the intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount 
of noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much signal, 
but the noise should be more than the difference less. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





- Original Message -

From: "Matt" < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. 

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Adam Moffett]

I'm not sure if that all jives.  The energy has to go somewhere...if 
it's not coming out the front it ought to be coming out the sides or 
rear.  I.E. if it's not emitting outside the intended area, wouldn't the 
gain by higher rather than lower?



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/16/2016 9:11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and 
those that have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be 
compared straight with the antennas we're used to. For one, it's a 
consistent value across the band and across the intended radiation 
pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 dB antenna is really 
only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions outside of the 
intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount of 
noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much 
signal, but the noise should be more than the difference less.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 
(and it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.


There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be 
limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Mike Hammett]

"Could", but likely not. From what I've heard from RF Elements and those that 
have deployed them, the gain numbers can't really be compared straight with the 
antennas we're used to. For one, it's a consistent value across the band and 
across the intended radiation pattern. There are no major nulls where your 18 
dB antenna is really only doing 10 anyway. It also has almost no emissions 
outside of the intended area. That means you have a significantly lower amount 
of noise heard from outside the intended area. *May* not have as much signal, 
but the noise should be more than the difference less. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:07:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. 

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Matt]

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
> smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.

There 90 degree horn appears to only have 10 db gain which could be limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Mike Hammett]

http://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/overview/
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
To: "af" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:09:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements 


I don't think there's currently any way to attach an ePMP 2000 to a horn... I'm 
pretty sure it won't fit in the twist port adapter for the ePMP 1000. 



On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Mathew Howard]

I don't think there's currently any way to attach an ePMP 2000 to a horn...
I'm pretty sure it won't fit in the twist port adapter for the ePMP 1000.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and
> it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask.
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> The Brothers WISP 
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[AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

[Mike Hammett]

Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's 
smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP