Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber X

[Bill Prince]

On board _*H*_eptadekillion (byte) _*D*_isk _*D*_rive.  Enough on board 
storage to hold everything currently digitized.


bp


On 2/4/2015 5:25 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
The HDD is referring to the Proprietary SSD that's inside the unit.  
It cashes a copy of the whole internet, that's why it's so fast, it 
only has to tell the far radio what video to stream out the Ethernet port.

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Josh Luthman]

I don't understand why it would double?  If the whole board is custom
what's it matter what the frequency is?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a
 little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much
 different from the 5x.
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of those
 containers!

 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mathew Howard]

It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a
little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much
different from the 5x.
On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of those
 containers!

 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ben Moore]

The 3x should be available in next few days if not already.  The 2x should be 
very close behind.

Thanks,
Ben

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote:
 
 who has the af2x and af3x?
 
 On 8/13/2015 1:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a 
 little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much 
 different from the 5x.
 
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of those 
 containers!
 
 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
 
 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html
 
 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.
 
 ~Seth
 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Josh Luthman]

Few days from hitting the US or few days from distributors in the US?  It
seems from what I hear it takes a couple of weeks after hitting California
to make it all the way to store shelves.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 The 3x should be available in next few days if not already.  The 2x should
 be very close behind.

 Thanks,
 Ben

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote:

 who has the af2x and af3x?

 On 8/13/2015 1:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a
 little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much
 different from the 5x.
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of those
 containers!

 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Keefe John]

based on how many they think they'll sell. economies of scale.

On 8/13/2015 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I don't understand why it would double?  If the whole board is custom 
what's it matter what the frequency is?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:


It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I
was a little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd
be that much different from the 5x.

On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in
any of those containers!

More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin
(dramatic video):
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of those 
containers!


More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic video):
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Keefe John]

who has the af2x and af3x?

On 8/13/2015 1:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was 
a little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that 
much different from the 5x.


On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:


Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of
those containers!

More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin
(dramatic video):
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mathew Howard]

+1 that's exactly what I did - blue Mikrotik cables and all.

I wouldn't use 3.65 unless you really have to, you might also be able to do
some channel reuse with the af5x if there's a lot of 5ghz links on a tower.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 A.  Easiest and using the same spectrum as before.  The blue cables from
 Mikrotik are really sweet.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Aug 13, 2015 4:11 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 What do you recommend in the case of a 2 ft Rocket dish w/RF armor?

 a)  replace the radio, maybe use longer cables, maybe have to mount radio
 to mast
 b)  use the dual slant adapter thingy (I have a couple)
 c)  just order a new airFiber dish and swap the whole thing

 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:03 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 Do unii1 first.  Save your 3 GHz!

 You can replace Rockets with af5x, though it isn't a simple drop in
 replacement from what I found =(


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 I have been looking at AF5X as a way to get rid of PTP Powerbridges and
 Rockets.  I have some of each in 3.65 and I never liked the frequency
 converted UBNT radios, so maybe this is the path of least resistance to get
 them out of the network.  Was probably going to just redo them in U-NII-1,
 but now could maybe stay in 3.65.

 *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:51 PM
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


 The cheapest alternative for 3.65 is probably ptp450, which is still
 more expensive and only like a quarter the capacity,  so it's not bad for
 what it is... I just don't get why it needs to be double the cost of the 5x.

 Streakwave is already showing them in stock, or was this morning anyway.
 On Aug 13, 2015 2:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Redline AN80 is $1k so the AF3x is ~250 under that.  The way I see it
 is if you need to use 3 GHz for a backhaul, it's a great option if you can
 get decent throughput.  The next step up would be licensed...


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

 I was really shocked at that price too! It's not worth it at that
 price. With the limited bandwidth available you won't get 500+Mbps on that
 thing. Not on a 50Mhz channel.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was
 a little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much
 different from the 5x.
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of
 those containers!

 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic
 video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Josh Luthman]

Do unii1 first.  Save your 3 GHz!

You can replace Rockets with af5x, though it isn't a simple drop in
replacement from what I found =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 I have been looking at AF5X as a way to get rid of PTP Powerbridges and
 Rockets.  I have some of each in 3.65 and I never liked the frequency
 converted UBNT radios, so maybe this is the path of least resistance to get
 them out of the network.  Was probably going to just redo them in U-NII-1,
 but now could maybe stay in 3.65.

 *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:51 PM
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


 The cheapest alternative for 3.65 is probably ptp450, which is still more
 expensive and only like a quarter the capacity,  so it's not bad for what
 it is... I just don't get why it needs to be double the cost of the 5x.

 Streakwave is already showing them in stock, or was this morning anyway.
 On Aug 13, 2015 2:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Redline AN80 is $1k so the AF3x is ~250 under that.  The way I see it is
 if you need to use 3 GHz for a backhaul, it's a great option if you can get
 decent throughput.  The next step up would be licensed...


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

 I was really shocked at that price too! It's not worth it at that price.
 With the limited bandwidth available you won't get 500+Mbps on that thing.
 Not on a 50Mhz channel.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a
 little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much
 different from the 5x.
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of
 those containers!

 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic
 video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Josh Luthman]

Redline AN80 is $1k so the AF3x is ~250 under that.  The way I see it is if
you need to use 3 GHz for a backhaul, it's a great option if you can get
decent throughput.  The next step up would be licensed...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

 I was really shocked at that price too! It's not worth it at that price.
 With the limited bandwidth available you won't get 500+Mbps on that thing.
 Not on a 50Mhz channel.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a
 little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much
 different from the 5x.
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of those
 containers!

 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

What do you recommend in the case of a 2 ft Rocket dish w/RF armor?

a)  replace the radio, maybe use longer cables, maybe have to mount radio to 
mast
b)  use the dual slant adapter thingy (I have a couple)
c)  just order a new airFiber dish and swap the whole thing

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

Do unii1 first.  Save your 3 GHz! 

You can replace Rockets with af5x, though it isn't a simple drop in replacement 
from what I found =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  I have been looking at AF5X as a way to get rid of PTP Powerbridges and 
Rockets.  I have some of each in 3.65 and I never liked the frequency converted 
UBNT radios, so maybe this is the path of least resistance to get them out of 
the network.  Was probably going to just redo them in U-NII-1, but now could 
maybe stay in 3.65.

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:51 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

  The cheapest alternative for 3.65 is probably ptp450, which is still more 
expensive and only like a quarter the capacity,  so it's not bad for what it 
is... I just don't get why it needs to be double the cost of the 5x.

  Streakwave is already showing them in stock, or was this morning anyway. 

  On Aug 13, 2015 2:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Redline AN80 is $1k so the AF3x is ~250 under that.  The way I see it is if 
you need to use 3 GHz for a backhaul, it's a great option if you can get decent 
throughput.  The next step up would be licensed...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

  I was really shocked at that price too! It's not worth it at that price. 
With the limited bandwidth available you won't get 500+Mbps on that thing. Not 
on a 50Mhz channel. 

  Thank you, 
  Brett A Mansfield
  Silver Lake Internet, LLC

  On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:


It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a 
little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much 
different from the 5x.

On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of 
those containers!

  More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


  -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


  On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic 
video):
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


  That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

  ~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ben Moore]

Few days from distributors.  Some may have already received.  

Thanks,
Ben

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 wrote:
 
 Few days from hitting the US or few days from distributors in the US?  It 
 seems from what I hear it takes a couple of weeks after hitting California to 
 make it all the way to store shelves.
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
 The 3x should be available in next few days if not already.  The 2x should 
 be very close behind.
 
 Thanks,
 Ben
 
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote:
 
 who has the af2x and af3x?
 
 On 8/13/2015 1:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a 
 little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much 
 different from the 5x.
 
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of those 
 containers!
 
 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
 
 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html
 
 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.
 
 ~Seth
 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Brett A Mansfield]

I was really shocked at that price too! It's not worth it at that price. With 
the limited bandwidth available you won't get 500+Mbps on that thing. Not on a 
50Mhz channel. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a 
 little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much 
 different from the 5x.
 
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of those 
 containers!
 
 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
 
 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html
 
 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.
 
 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Josh Luthman]

Streakwave wasn't showing stock this afternoon for me =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 The cheapest alternative for 3.65 is probably ptp450, which is still more
 expensive and only like a quarter the capacity,  so it's not bad for what
 it is... I just don't get why it needs to be double the cost of the 5x.

 Streakwave is already showing them in stock, or was this morning anyway.
 On Aug 13, 2015 2:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Redline AN80 is $1k so the AF3x is ~250 under that.  The way I see it is
 if you need to use 3 GHz for a backhaul, it's a great option if you can get
 decent throughput.  The next step up would be licensed...


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

 I was really shocked at that price too! It's not worth it at that price.
 With the limited bandwidth available you won't get 500+Mbps on that thing.
 Not on a 50Mhz channel.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a
 little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much
 different from the 5x.
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of
 those containers!

 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic
 video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

This?
http://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-flex-guide-rp-sma-to-rp-sma-patch-cable-19-7in.html


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

A.  Easiest and using the same spectrum as before.  The blue cables from 
Mikrotik are really sweet.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 13, 2015 4:11 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  What do you recommend in the case of a 2 ft Rocket dish w/RF armor?

  a)  replace the radio, maybe use longer cables, maybe have to mount radio to 
mast
  b)  use the dual slant adapter thingy (I have a couple)
  c)  just order a new airFiber dish and swap the whole thing

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

  Do unii1 first.  Save your 3 GHz! 

  You can replace Rockets with af5x, though it isn't a simple drop in 
replacement from what I found =(


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

I have been looking at AF5X as a way to get rid of PTP Powerbridges and 
Rockets.  I have some of each in 3.65 and I never liked the frequency converted 
UBNT radios, so maybe this is the path of least resistance to get them out of 
the network.  Was probably going to just redo them in U-NII-1, but now could 
maybe stay in 3.65.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:51 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

The cheapest alternative for 3.65 is probably ptp450, which is still more 
expensive and only like a quarter the capacity,  so it's not bad for what it 
is... I just don't get why it needs to be double the cost of the 5x.

Streakwave is already showing them in stock, or was this morning anyway. 

On Aug 13, 2015 2:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

  Redline AN80 is $1k so the AF3x is ~250 under that.  The way I see it is 
if you need to use 3 GHz for a backhaul, it's a great option if you can get 
decent throughput.  The next step up would be licensed...


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

I was really shocked at that price too! It's not worth it at that 
price. With the limited bandwidth available you won't get 500+Mbps on that 
thing. Not on a 50Mhz channel. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com 
wrote:


  It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was 
a little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much 
different from the 5x.

  On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of 
those containers!

More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic 
video):
  http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Josh Luthman]

Yup!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 13, 2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 This?

 http://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-flex-guide-rp-sma-to-rp-sma-patch-cable-19-7in.html


 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:14 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


 A.  Easiest and using the same spectrum as before.  The blue cables from
 Mikrotik are really sweet.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Aug 13, 2015 4:11 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 What do you recommend in the case of a 2 ft Rocket dish w/RF armor?

 a)  replace the radio, maybe use longer cables, maybe have to mount radio
 to mast
 b)  use the dual slant adapter thingy (I have a couple)
 c)  just order a new airFiber dish and swap the whole thing

 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:03 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 Do unii1 first.  Save your 3 GHz!

 You can replace Rockets with af5x, though it isn't a simple drop in
 replacement from what I found =(


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 I have been looking at AF5X as a way to get rid of PTP Powerbridges and
 Rockets.  I have some of each in 3.65 and I never liked the frequency
 converted UBNT radios, so maybe this is the path of least resistance to get
 them out of the network.  Was probably going to just redo them in U-NII-1,
 but now could maybe stay in 3.65.

 *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:51 PM
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


 The cheapest alternative for 3.65 is probably ptp450, which is still
 more expensive and only like a quarter the capacity,  so it's not bad for
 what it is... I just don't get why it needs to be double the cost of the 5x.

 Streakwave is already showing them in stock, or was this morning anyway.
 On Aug 13, 2015 2:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Redline AN80 is $1k so the AF3x is ~250 under that.  The way I see it
 is if you need to use 3 GHz for a backhaul, it's a great option if you can
 get decent throughput.  The next step up would be licensed...


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

 I was really shocked at that price too! It's not worth it at that
 price. With the limited bandwidth available you won't get 500+Mbps on that
 thing. Not on a 50Mhz channel.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was
 a little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much
 different from the 5x.
 On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of
 those containers!

 More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic
 video):
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


 That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

I have been looking at AF5X as a way to get rid of PTP Powerbridges and 
Rockets.  I have some of each in 3.65 and I never liked the frequency converted 
UBNT radios, so maybe this is the path of least resistance to get them out of 
the network.  Was probably going to just redo them in U-NII-1, but now could 
maybe stay in 3.65.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:51 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

The cheapest alternative for 3.65 is probably ptp450, which is still more 
expensive and only like a quarter the capacity,  so it's not bad for what it 
is... I just don't get why it needs to be double the cost of the 5x.

Streakwave is already showing them in stock, or was this morning anyway. 

On Aug 13, 2015 2:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

  Redline AN80 is $1k so the AF3x is ~250 under that.  The way I see it is if 
you need to use 3 GHz for a backhaul, it's a great option if you can get decent 
throughput.  The next step up would be licensed...


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

I was really shocked at that price too! It's not worth it at that price. 
With the limited bandwidth available you won't get 500+Mbps on that thing. Not 
on a 50Mhz channel. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:


  It looks like some distributors already have the af2x and af3x. I was a 
little shocked at the price on the 3x, I didn't tgink it'd be that much 
different from the 5x.

  On Aug 13, 2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Someone sent me this photo, I hope nothing we wanted was in any of 
those containers!

More seriously, many deaths and injuries.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


On 8/12/15 13:55, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I hope they weren’t shipping out of the port of Tianjin (dramatic 
video):
  http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/asia/china-port-explosion/index.html


That was the boat all the DFS certs were on.

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Patrick Leary]

No magic to be had. A couple helpful algorithms not in common gear, but no 
magic. One in particular constantly reports the interference environment of 
each UE to the base station, allowing the BTS to make the decision essentially 
about which sub frames to leverage per transmission that are clearest. 

Generally though I'm frankly looking forward to the SAS and the ability of 
people to purchase PALs in the lower 100 MHz.

Patrick Leary, Telrad
727-501-3735

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 7:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

On 8/10/15 16:31, Josh Luthman wrote:
 RIP 2 GHZ band.  Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz 
 backhauls because it penetrates better.


And 3GHz users. Will Telrad have enough magic to overcome a cheap UBNT noise 
generator?

~Seth

 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mike Hammett]

As it isn't shipping yet, I can't imagine anyone could publicly say if they 
knew. 

Anyone have 5 GHz WiMax deployed that can run an AF5x for comparison? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:39:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 



So how does it compare against WiMax in an NLOS environment? 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:31 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 

I could see use for it. 

On 8/10/2015 7:19 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: 



Maybe it's for people in jungles and there's no wifi routers around 

Sent from my iPhone 


On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mathew Howard  mhoward...@gmail.com  wrote: 
blockquote



Yep, the 3x is definitely certified under part 90. 2.4ghz is a surprise... I 
really didn't see that coming. 2.4ghz could be useful if we didn't already have 
a couple of thousand airmax M2 radios that it would most likely kill... 



On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, List S  li...@silverlakeinternet.com  wrote: 


On the website it shows part 90. 



 On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:57:51 -0700 Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  wrote 
 
blockquote





Report is on FCC equipment authorization website for SWX-AF3X dated 8/4/15, 
3650-3700 MHz. 



I’m a little surprised that new equipment can be authorized under the rules 
that went away April 17. Then again, this may just be part 15 not part 90 or 
part 96 if that’s what CBRS is under. 








From: List S 

Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM 

To: af 

Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 




Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website? It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!! 






AF-2Xhttps://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small.png , 
(default)], [ 
https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png , 
(retina)] 

AF-2X   

AF-3Xhttps://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small.png , 
(default)], [ 
https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png , 
(retina)] 

AF-3X   

AF-5Xhttps://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small.png , 
(default)], [ 
https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png , 
(retina)] 

AF-5X 

Frequency   
2.4 GHz 
3 GHz   
5 GHz   

Throughput  
500+ Mbps   
500+ Mbps   
500+ Mbps   

Range   
200+ km 
200+ km 
200+ km 


I'm getting excited!!! I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements. I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet. 



And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC? 



By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404. 



Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 

Silver Lake Internet, LLC 





/blockquote

/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Rory Conaway]

So how does it compare against WiMax in an NLOS environment?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

I could see use for it.
On 8/10/2015 7:19 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
Maybe it's for people in jungles and there's no wifi routers around
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mathew Howard 
mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
Yep, the 3x is definitely certified under part 90. 2.4ghz is a surprise... I 
really didn't see that coming. 2.4ghz could be useful if we didn't already have 
a couple of thousand airmax M2 radios that it would most likely kill...

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, List S 
li...@silverlakeinternet.commailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
On the website it shows part 90.

 On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:57:51 -0700 Ken Hohhof 
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote 
Report is on FCC equipment authorization website for SWX-AF3X dated 8/4/15, 
3650-3700 MHz.

I’m a little surprised that new equipment can be authorized under the rules 
that went away April 17.  Then again, this may just be part 15 not part 90 or 
part 96 if that’s what CBRS is under.


From: List Smailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM
To: afmailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!!



[AF-2X]https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small.png,
 (default)], 
[https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png, 
(retina)]
AF-2X

[AF-3X]https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small.png,
 (default)], 
[https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png, 
(retina)]
AF-3X

[AF-5X]https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
(default)], 
[https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png, 
(retina)]
AF-5X

Frequency

2.4 GHz

3 GHz

5 GHz

Throughput

500+ Mbps

500+ Mbps

500+ Mbps

Range

200+ km

200+ km

200+ km


I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet.

And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC?

By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[ron]

2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this will do 
too much more damage at this point.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:



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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link, subject 
to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual pol dish 
for 2.4 GHz?

From: r...@rjr-services.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this will do 
too much more damage at this point.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Jaime Solorza]

Gabriel antennas
On Aug 11, 2015 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link,
 subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual
 pol dish for 2.4 GHz?

 *From:* r...@rjr-services.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this
 will do too much more damage at this point.

 *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*


 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


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 clean.

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

When can I get a beta unit?

FYI, I got my AF-5G23-S45 order, I have one assembled here on my desk.  Just 
scale it up to 12 feet.


From: Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

We are working on a 12 footer now for you Ken.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link, 
subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual pol 
dish for 2.4 GHz?

  From: r...@rjr-services.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

  2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this will 
do too much more damage at this point.

  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


  Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ben Moore]

They are on the boat ;)  Can fit 1 per boat so it may be a while...

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 When can I get a beta unit?

 FYI, I got my AF-5G23-S45 order, I have one assembled here on my desk.
 Just scale it up to 12 feet.


 *From:* Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:57 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 We are working on a 12 footer now for you Ken.

 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link,
 subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual
 pol dish for 2.4 GHz?

 *From:* r...@rjr-services.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this
 will do too much more damage at this point.

 *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*


 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Glen Waldrop]

It can probably cook popcorn at 15 feet.

Only one kernel at a time, but...



From: Ben Moore 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

They are on the boat ;)  Can fit 1 per boat so it may be a while...

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  When can I get a beta unit?

  FYI, I got my AF-5G23-S45 order, I have one assembled here on my desk.  Just 
scale it up to 12 feet.


  From: Ben Moore 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:57 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

  We are working on a 12 footer now for you Ken.

  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link, 
subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual pol 
dish for 2.4 GHz?

From: r...@rjr-services.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this will 
do too much more damage at this point.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ben Moore]

We are working on a 12 footer now for you Ken.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 At least in 2.4 you can still crank up the antenna gain on a PTP link,
 subject to the 1-for-3 rule, unlike 5 GHz.  OK, where do I buy a 10 ft dual
 pol dish for 2.4 GHz?

 *From:* r...@rjr-services.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:09 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 2.4GHz has been an RF sewer for the past several years, can't say this
 will do too much more damage at this point.

 *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*


 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


 --
 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
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 clean.

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

Report is on FCC equipment authorization website for SWX-AF3X dated 8/4/15, 
3650-3700 MHz.

I’m a little surprised that new equipment can be authorized under the rules 
that went away April 17.  Then again, this may just be part 15 not part 90 or 
part 96 if that’s what CBRS is under.


From: List S 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!! 


 
  AF-2X 
  AF-3X 
  AF-5X 
  Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz 5 GHz  
  Throughput 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps  
  Range 200+ km 200+ km 200+ km 


I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet.

And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC?

By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ben Moore]

Yes, full 50MHz in 3GHz band...

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com
wrote:

 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X
 now!!!


 [image: AF-2X]
 AF-2X
 [image: AF-3X]
 AF-3X
 [image: AF-5X]
 AF-5X
 Frequency2.4 GHz3 GHz5 GHzThroughput500+ Mbps500+ Mbps500+ MbpsRange200+
 km200+ km200+ km
 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen
 any official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for
 these, but they aren't there yet.

 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum
 allowed by the FCC?

 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Jaime Solorza]

Jamming tools!
On Aug 10, 2015 4:42 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X
 now!!!


 [image: AF-2X]
 AF-2X
 [image: AF-3X]
 AF-3X
 [image: AF-5X]
 AF-5X
 Frequency2.4 GHz3 GHz5 GHzThroughput500+ Mbps500+ Mbps500+ MbpsRange200+
 km200+ km200+ km
 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen
 any official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for
 these, but they aren't there yet.

 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum
 allowed by the FCC?

 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/10/15 16:31, Josh Luthman wrote:

RIP 2 GHZ band.  Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls
because it penetrates better.



And 3GHz users. Will Telrad have enough magic to overcome a cheap UBNT 
noise generator?


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Tim Reichhart]

I dont see an point AF in 2ghz setup.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 08/10/15 07:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


RIP 2 GHZ band.  Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls 
because it penetrates better.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373On Aug 10, 2015 6:59 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
Yes, full 50MHz in 3GHz band...
 
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!!





AF-2X

AF-3X

AF-5X

 Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz 5 GHz 

 Throughput 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps 

 Range 200+ km 200+ km 200+ km
 
I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet.


And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC?


By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Jason McKemie]

It worked fairly well back when the throughput on FSK was usable.  Now I
mainly use it for microcells.



On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 I have never considered the 2.4 GHz band worthy of my attention. Too much
 noise. No one but success's fault for that.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

 https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix
 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 6:31:32 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 RIP 2 GHZ band.  Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls
 because it penetrates better.

 Josh Luthman

 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Aug 10, 2015 6:59 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Yes, full 50MHz in 3GHz band...

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com
 wrote:

 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X
 now!!!


 [image: AF-2X]
 AF-2X
 [image: AF-3X]
 AF-3X
 [image: AF-5X]
 AF-5X
 Frequency2.4 GHz3 GHz5 GHzThroughput500+ Mbps500+ Mbps500+ MbpsRange200+
 km200+ km200+ km
 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't
 seen any official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for
 these, but they aren't there yet.

 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the
 spectrum allowed by the FCC?

 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mathew Howard]

Yep, the 3x is definitely certified under part 90. 2.4ghz is a surprise...
I really didn't see that coming. 2.4ghz could be useful if we didn't
already have a couple of thousand airmax M2 radios that it would most
likely kill...

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com
wrote:

 On the website it shows part 90.

  On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:57:51 -0700 *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 af...@kwisp.com* wrote 

 Report is on FCC equipment authorization website for SWX-AF3X dated
 8/4/15, 3650-3700 MHz.

 I’m a little surprised that new equipment can be authorized under the
 rules that went away April 17.  Then again, this may just be part 15 not
 part 90 or part 96 if that’s what CBRS is under.


 *From:* List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com
 *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X
 now!!!


 [image: AF-2X]
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small.png,
 (default)], [
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
 (retina)]
 AF-2X
 [image: AF-3X]
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small.png,
 (default)], [
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
 (retina)]
 AF-3X
 [image: AF-5X]
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small.png,
 (default)], [
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
 (retina)]
 AF-5X
 Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz 5 GHz Throughput 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps
 Range 200+ km 200+ km 200+ km
 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen
 any official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for
 these, but they aren't there yet.

 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum
 allowed by the FCC?

 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[List S]

On the website it shows part 90.

 On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:57:51 -0700 Ken Hohhof lt;af...@kwisp.comgt; 
wrote  

   Report is on FCC equipment authorization website for SWX-AF3X dated 8/4/15, 
3650-3700 MHz.
  
 I’m a little surprised that new equipment can be authorized under the rules 
that went away April 17.  Then again, this may just be part 15 not part 90 or 
part 96 if that’s what CBRS is under.
  

  From: List S 
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM
 To: af 
 Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


  

  Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X 
now!!!  
 
   
https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
(default)], 
[https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png, 
(retina)]gt;
 AF-2X
   https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
(default)], 
[https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png, 
(retina)]gt;
 AF-3X
   https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
(default)], 
[https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png, 
(retina)]gt;
 AF-5X
 
   Frequency  2.4 GHz  3 GHz  5 GHz   
  Throughput  500+ Mbps  500+ Mbps  500+ Mbps   
  Range  200+ km  200+ km  200+ km 


 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet.
  
 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC?
  
 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.
  
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC




 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Jon Langeler]

Unfortunately those aren't really needed products...

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 10, 2015, at 6:42 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
 
 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!!
 
 
 
 AF-2X
 
 AF-3X
 
 AF-5X
 Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz   5 GHz   
 Throughput500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   
 Range 200+ km 200+ km 200+ km
 
 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen 
 any official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, 
 but they aren't there yet.
 
 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
 allowed by the FCC?
 
 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.
 
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mike Hammett]

If they have PtMP up their sleeve, it could be. 

I could see the 3 GHz one for backhaul interference-prone areas. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:18:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 


Unfortunately those aren't really needed products... 


Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 10, 2015, at 6:42 PM, List S  li...@silverlakeinternet.com  wrote: 





Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website? It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!! 




AF-2X
AF-2X 
AF-3X
AF-3X 
AF-5X
AF-5X Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz   5 GHz   
Throughput  500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   
Range   200+ km 200+ km 200+ km 

I'm getting excited!!! I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements. I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet. 


And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC? 


By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404. 


Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 
Silver Lake Internet, LLC 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mike Hammett]

Just because the kids odn't know much about penetration doesn't mean they can't 
try it out with their friends. Sharing is caring. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:31:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 


RIP 2 GHZ band. Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls because 
it penetrates better. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Aug 10, 2015 6:59 PM, Ben Moore  ben.mo...@ubnt.com  wrote: 



Yes, full 50MHz in 3GHz band... 


On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, List S  li...@silverlakeinternet.com  wrote: 

blockquote


Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website? It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!! 




AF-2X
AF-2X 
AF-3X
AF-3X 
AF-5X
AF-5X Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz   5 GHz   
Throughput  500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   
Range   200+ km 200+ km 200+ km 

I'm getting excited!!! I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements. I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet. 


And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC? 


By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404. 


Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 
Silver Lake Internet, LLC 



/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mike Hammett]

Show me a $400 licensed radio... or one that'll do full data rate at 10 miles 
without huge dishes or 6 GHz, which is already full anyway. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:32:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 


That's what licensed is for. 



On Mon, Aug 10, 2015, 6:24 PM Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 




If they have PtMP up their sleeve, it could be. 

I could see the 3 GHz one for backhaul interference-prone areas. 






- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 






From: Jon Langeler  jon-ispli...@michwave.net  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:18:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 





Unfortunately those aren't really needed products... 


Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 10, 2015, at 6:42 PM, List S  li...@silverlakeinternet.com  wrote: 


blockquote


Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website? It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!! 




AF-2X
AF-2X 
AF-3X
AF-3X 
AF-5X
AF-5X Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz   5 GHz   
Throughput  500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   
Range   200+ km 200+ km 200+ km 

I'm getting excited!!! I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements. I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet. 


And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC? 


By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404. 


Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 
Silver Lake Internet, LLC 


/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Jaime Solorza]

I want one as a resilience testing device. Ahem
On Aug 10, 2015 5:46 PM, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net
wrote:

 I dont see an point AF in 2ghz setup.

 Tim

 --
 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Date: 08/10/15 07:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 RIP 2 GHZ band. Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls
 because it penetrates better.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Aug 10, 2015 6:59 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Yes, full 50MHz in 3GHz band...

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com
 wrote:

 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website? It shows three kinds of AirFiber X
 now!!!



 [image: AF-2X]
 AF-2X
 [image: AF-3X]
 AF-3X
 [image: AF-5X]
 AF-5X
 Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz 5 GHz
 Throughput 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps
 Range 200+ km 200+ km 200+ km

 I'm getting excited!!! I know there was talk about it, but I haven't
 seen any official announcements. I'd really like to see the datasheets for
 these, but they aren't there yet.

 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the
 spectrum allowed by the FCC?

 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mike Hammett]

I had heard of the 3x, but not the 2x. Those will be interesting. I wonder why 
a 2 gig backhaul... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com 
To: af af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42:03 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 


Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website? It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!! 




AF-2X
AF-2X 
AF-3X
AF-3X 
AF-5X
AF-5X Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz   5 GHz   
Throughput  500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   
Range   200+ km 200+ km 200+ km 

I'm getting excited!!! I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements. I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet. 


And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC? 


By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404. 


Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 
Silver Lake Internet, LLC 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Josh Luthman]

RIP 2 GHZ band.  Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls
because it penetrates better.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 10, 2015 6:59 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Yes, full 50MHz in 3GHz band...

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com
 wrote:

 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X
 now!!!


 [image: AF-2X]
 AF-2X
 [image: AF-3X]
 AF-3X
 [image: AF-5X]
 AF-5X
 Frequency2.4 GHz3 GHz5 GHzThroughput500+ Mbps500+ Mbps500+ MbpsRange200+
 km200+ km200+ km
 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't
 seen any official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for
 these, but they aren't there yet.

 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum
 allowed by the FCC?

 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Lewis Bergman]

That's what licensed is for.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015, 6:24 PM Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 If they have PtMP up their sleeve, it could be.

 I could see the 3 GHz one for backhaul interference-prone areas.




 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

 https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix
 --
 *From: *Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, August 10, 2015 6:18:43 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


 Unfortunately those aren't really needed products...

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 10, 2015, at 6:42 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X
 now!!!


 [image: AF-2X]
 AF-2X
 [image: AF-3X]
 AF-3X
 [image: AF-5X]
 AF-5X
 Frequency2.4 GHz3 GHz5 GHzThroughput500+ Mbps500+ Mbps500+ MbpsRange200+
 km200+ km200+ km
 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen
 any official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for
 these, but they aren't there yet.

 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum
 allowed by the FCC?

 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mike Hammett]

I have never considered the 2.4 GHz band worthy of my attention. Too much 
noise. No one but success's fault for that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:31:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 


RIP 2 GHZ band. Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls because 
it penetrates better. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Aug 10, 2015 6:59 PM, Ben Moore  ben.mo...@ubnt.com  wrote: 



Yes, full 50MHz in 3GHz band... 


On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, List S  li...@silverlakeinternet.com  wrote: 

blockquote


Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website? It shows three kinds of AirFiber X now!!! 




AF-2X
AF-2X 
AF-3X
AF-3X 
AF-5X
AF-5X Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz   5 GHz   
Throughput  500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   
Range   200+ km 200+ km 200+ km 

I'm getting excited!!! I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen any 
official announcements. I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, but 
they aren't there yet. 


And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC? 


By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404. 


Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 
Silver Lake Internet, LLC 



/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Ken Hohhof]

2 GHz doesn’t have to be 2.4 GHz?

From: Tim Reichhart 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

I dont see an point AF in 2ghz setup.

Tim




--
  -Original Message-
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Date: 08/10/15 07:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X


  RIP 2 GHZ band. Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls 
because it penetrates better.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Aug 10, 2015 6:59 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

Yes, full 50MHz in 3GHz band...

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com 
wrote:

  Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website? It shows three kinds of AirFiber X 
now!!! 



   
AF-2X 
AF-3X 
AF-5X 
Frequency 2.4 GHz 3 GHz 5 GHz 
   
Throughput 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps 500+ Mbps 
   
Range 200+ km 200+ km 200+ km 

   
  I'm getting excited!!! I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen 
any official announcements. I'd really like to see the datasheets for these, 
but they aren't there yet.

  And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
allowed by the FCC?

  By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.

  Thank you,
  Brett A Mansfield
  Silver Lake Internet, LLC
   
 

 
   

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Jon Langeler]

Maybe it's for people in jungles and there's no wifi routers around 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, the 3x is definitely certified under part 90. 2.4ghz is a surprise... I 
 really didn't see that coming. 2.4ghz could be useful if we didn't already 
 have a couple of thousand airmax M2 radios that it would most likely kill...
 
 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
 On the website it shows part 90.
 
  On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:57:51 -0700 Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote 
  
 Report is on FCC equipment authorization website for SWX-AF3X dated 8/4/15, 
 3650-3700 MHz.
  
 I’m a little surprised that new equipment can be authorized under the rules 
 that went away April 17.  Then again, this may just be part 15 not part 90 
 or part 96 if that’s what CBRS is under.
  
  
 From: List S
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM
 To: af
 Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
  
 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X 
 now!!!
  
 
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
 (default)], 
 [https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
  (retina)]
 AF-2X
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
 (default)], 
 [https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
  (retina)]
 AF-3X
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
 (default)], 
 [https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png, 
 (retina)]
 AF-5X
 Frequency2.4 GHz 3 GHz   5 GHz   
 Throughput   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   
 Range200+ km 200+ km 200+ km
 
 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen 
 any official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for 
 these, but they aren't there yet.
  
 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
 allowed by the FCC?
  
 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.
  
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC
 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Keefe John]

I could see use for it.

On 8/10/2015 7:19 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:

Maybe it's for people in jungles and there's no wifi routers around

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:


Yep, the 3x is definitely certified under part 90. 2.4ghz is a 
surprise... I really didn't see that coming. 2.4ghz could be useful 
if we didn't already have a couple of thousand airmax M2 radios that 
it would most likely kill...


On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com 
mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:


On the website it shows part 90.

 On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:57:51 -0700 *Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com* wrote 

Report is on FCC equipment authorization website for SWX-AF3X
dated 8/4/15, 3650-3700 MHz.
I’m a little surprised that new equipment can be authorized
under the rules that went away April 17.  Then again, this
may just be part 15 not part 90 or part 96 if that’s what
CBRS is under.
*From:* List S mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com
*Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM
*To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] AirFiber X
Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of
AirFiber X now!!!




AF-2Xhttps://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small.png,
(default)],

[https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
(retina)]
AF-2X


AF-3Xhttps://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small.png,
(default)],

[https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
(retina)]
AF-3X


AF-5Xhttps://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small.png,
(default)],

[https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
(retina)]
AF-5X
Frequency   2.4 GHz 3 GHz   5 GHz   
Throughput  500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   
Range   200+ km 200+ km 200+ km


I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I
haven't seen any official announcements.  I'd really like to
see the datasheets for these, but they aren't there yet.
And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of
the spectrum allowed by the FCC?
By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[dmmoffett]

Maybe you're using all the 5ghz for multipoint, and you dont worry about random 
noise because you have 4' dishes.


Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, the 3x is definitely certified under part 90. 2.4ghz is a surprise... I 
 really didn't see that coming. 2.4ghz could be useful if we didn't already 
 have a couple of thousand airmax M2 radios that it would most likely kill...
 
 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, List S li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:
 On the website it shows part 90.
 
  On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:57:51 -0700 Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote 
  
 Report is on FCC equipment authorization website for SWX-AF3X dated 8/4/15, 
 3650-3700 MHz.
  
 I’m a little surprised that new equipment can be authorized under the rules 
 that went away April 17.  Then again, this may just be part 15 not part 90 
 or part 96 if that’s what CBRS is under.
  
  
 From: List S
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM
 To: af
 Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
  
 Anyone else see Ubiquiti's website?  It shows three kinds of AirFiber X 
 now!!!
  
 
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
 (default)], 
 [https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-2x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
  (retina)]
 AF-2X
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
 (default)], 
 [https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af-3x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png,
  (retina)]
 AF-3X
 https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small.png, 
 (default)], 
 [https://ubcdn.co/media/images/product/af5x/af5t-product-model-small-2x.png, 
 (retina)]
 AF-5X
 Frequency2.4 GHz 3 GHz   5 GHz   
 Throughput   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   500+ Mbps   
 Range200+ km 200+ km 200+ km
 
 I'm getting excited!!!  I know there was talk about it, but I haven't seen 
 any official announcements.  I'd really like to see the datasheets for 
 these, but they aren't there yet.
  
 And does this mean that the AF-3X will be able to use all of the spectrum 
 allowed by the FCC?
  
 By the UBNT, the link to AFX on the home page goes to a 404.
  
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC
 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber X

[Colin Stanners]

Wow, $800+antennas for a FPGA-based link that can do 400mbit down / 100mbit
up and feed internet to a lot of people. Many of the cheaper licensed links
you buy today don't hit that 1-way speed, and they cost $800 for the
antennas alone. Bravo Ubiquiti.

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   $399.99 per end

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber X

[Bill Prince]

So what's with the 3 antenna connectors on top? The little video only 
shows using the two outside. What would the third one be for?


And what does HDD stand for? Hybrid Division Duplex? Hoaky Division 
Duplex? Haquioktaha Division Duplex?


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 2/4/2015 3:58 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Wow, $800+antennas for a FPGA-based link that can do 400mbit down / 
100mbit up and feed internet to a lot of people. Many of the cheaper 
licensed links you buy today don't hit that 1-way speed, and they cost 
$800 for the antennas alone. Bravo Ubiquiti.


On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


$399.99 per end

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber X

[Bill Prince]

Doh!

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 2/4/2015 5:25 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

The 3rd is for the GPS Antenna for Sync.

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Jerry Richardson (airCloud)]

Considering the description was for worldwide support, I assume this is for the 
other 6.8 billion inhabitants of earth…

 

LOL

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 

Yes that would be a shame.  I don't think Ubiquiti put in comments in support 
of the 10 ghz petition so a 10 ghz product would be surprising.

On 2/2/2015 1:42 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Well we couldn't yet use that here in the states. Not yet, anyway.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 


  _  


From: Keefe John  mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com keefe...@ethoplex.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 1:39:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

airfiber 10 ghz?

On 2/2/2015 1:38 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:

Yes.

�

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

�

Anyone have any ideas what it is?

On 2/2/2015 1:20 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is this being announced at Animal Farm???

�

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Daniel White]

Yes Ham's can use 10GHz today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-centimeter_band

If I ever have the time, money, and inclination I was thinking of doing a
moon shot in this band.  Wonder if I could find a transceiver to fall off a
truck somewhere :-D

***
Daniel White - Managing Director
SAF North America LLC
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn

***

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 1:04 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
 
 Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today? Maybe they could use the 10ghz
 ptp stuff when it becomes availiable...
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110
 
  On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
 
  On 2/2/15 11:44, Keefe John wrote:
  Yes that would be a shame.  I don't think Ubiquiti put in comments in
  support of the 10 ghz petition so a 10 ghz product would be surprising.
 
 
  I wouldn't be surprised; it says global wisp industry in the email and
 plenty of other countries can use 10GHz today.
 
  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Jerry Richardson (airCloud)]

Considering this comes on the heels of the AF24-HD, best guess so far is the 
radio section of the airFiber5 with external (4x) connectors. It solves the 
problem of trying to with bigger dishes to get an AF5-HD. 

 

Could you imagine trying to hang a dual dish version of this thing with a 4’ 
and 3’ dish? Thing would be 7’ tall!

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 1:17 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 

I don't think it's a Nanostation form factor... it says world-breaking range, 
range would be pretty limited with something like that. 
Then again, I'm not sure how much range you need to break the world, but it 
sounds like a bad idea anyway.

 

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com 
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com  wrote:

If the picture in the email ad is any indication, it looks more like a 
nanostation form factor. Wouldn't that limit it's antenna size back down into 
sub 5ghz land?

 

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com  wrote:

If not Streakwave, I would bet that you could find someone else that would be 
willing to sell them to a HAM... worst case, you could probably buy one from a 
reseller in another country.

 

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com 
mailto:li...@wavelinc.com  wrote:

Wonder if streakwave would even sell it to a ham operator if they show them the 
HAMlicense? Might be worth experimenting with the band anyways... So we would 
know if its worth pushing regulatory changes over.

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110 

 On Feb 2, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us 
 mailto:se...@rollernet.us  wrote:

 On 2/2/15 12:04, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today?



 Yep, for noncommercial use.

 ~Seth

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today? Maybe they could use the 10ghz ptp 
stuff when it becomes availiable...

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

 On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
 
 On 2/2/15 11:44, Keefe John wrote:
 Yes that would be a shame.  I don't think Ubiquiti put in comments in
 support of the 10 ghz petition so a 10 ghz product would be surprising.
 
 
 I wouldn't be surprised; it says global wisp industry in the email and 
 plenty of other countries can use 10GHz today.
 
 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Peter Kranz]

I have what I believe is an Airfiber X unit here that we ran tests on.. If
it’s what I’ve got I can talk about it on the 4th..

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
 mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 

airfiber 10 ghz?

On 2/2/2015 1:38 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:

Yes.

�

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
 mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

�

Anyone have any ideas what it is?

On 2/2/2015 1:20 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is this being announced at Animal Farm???

�

 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mathew Howard]

If not Streakwave, I would bet that you could find someone else that would
be willing to sell them to a HAM... worst case, you could probably buy one
from a reseller in another country.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 Wonder if streakwave would even sell it to a ham operator if they show
 them the HAMlicense? Might be worth experimenting with the band anyways...
 So we would know if its worth pushing regulatory changes over.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

  On Feb 2, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
 
  On 2/2/15 12:04, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
  Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today?
 
 
  Yep, for noncommercial use.
 
  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Keefe John]

airfiber 10 ghz?

On 2/2/2015 1:38 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:


Yes.

*Peter Kranz
*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
*Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 11:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

Anyone have any ideas what it is?

On 2/2/2015 1:20 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is this being announced at Animal Farm???

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Eric Muehleisen]

If the picture in the email ad is any indication, it looks more like a
nanostation form factor. Wouldn't that limit it's antenna size back down
into sub 5ghz land?

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 If not Streakwave, I would bet that you could find someone else that would
 be willing to sell them to a HAM... worst case, you could probably buy one
 from a reseller in another country.

 On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:

 Wonder if streakwave would even sell it to a ham operator if they show
 them the HAMlicense? Might be worth experimenting with the band anyways...
 So we would know if its worth pushing regulatory changes over.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

  On Feb 2, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
 
  On 2/2/15 12:04, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
  Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today?
 
 
  Yep, for noncommercial use.
 
  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mathew Howard]

I don't think it's a Nanostation form factor... it says world-breaking
range, range would be pretty limited with something like that.
Then again, I'm not sure how much range you need to break the world, but it
sounds like a bad idea anyway.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote:

 If the picture in the email ad is any indication, it looks more like a
 nanostation form factor. Wouldn't that limit it's antenna size back down
 into sub 5ghz land?

 On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 If not Streakwave, I would bet that you could find someone else that
 would be willing to sell them to a HAM... worst case, you could probably
 buy one from a reseller in another country.

 On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:

 Wonder if streakwave would even sell it to a ham operator if they show
 them the HAMlicense? Might be worth experimenting with the band anyways...
 So we would know if its worth pushing regulatory changes over.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110

  On Feb 2, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
 
  On 2/2/15 12:04, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
  Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today?
 
 
  Yep, for noncommercial use.
 
  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mike Hammett]

Well we couldn't yet use that here in the states. Not yet, anyway. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 1:39:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 

airfiber 10 ghz? 


On 2/2/2015 1:38 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: 




Yes. 
� 

Peter Kranz 
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
� 


From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Keefe John 
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:23 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 
� 
Anyone have any ideas what it is? 

On 2/2/2015 1:20 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: 
blockquote

Is this being announced at Animal Farm??? 


� 
/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/2/15 11:44, Keefe John wrote:

Yes that would be a shame.  I don't think Ubiquiti put in comments in
support of the 10 ghz petition so a 10 ghz product would be surprising.



I wouldn't be surprised; it says global wisp industry in the email and 
plenty of other countries can use 10GHz today.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/2/15 12:04, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today?



Yep, for noncommercial use.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mike Hammett]

They can use whatever gear they want in their bands. They could be using the 
international 10 GHz PowerBridges. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 2:04:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 

Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today? Maybe they could use the 10ghz ptp 
stuff when it becomes availiable... 

Sent from my iPhone 

Kurt Fankhauser 
Wavelinc Communications 
P.O. Box 126 
Bucyrus, OH 44820 
http://www.wavelinc.com 
tel. 419-562-6405 
fax. 419-617-0110 

 On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: 
 
 On 2/2/15 11:44, Keefe John wrote: 
 Yes that would be a shame. I don't think Ubiquiti put in comments in 
 support of the 10 ghz petition so a 10 ghz product would be surprising. 
 
 
 I wouldn't be surprised; it says global wisp industry in the email and 
 plenty of other countries can use 10GHz today. 
 
 ~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Wonder if streakwave would even sell it to a ham operator if they show them the 
HAMlicense? Might be worth experimenting with the band anyways... So we would 
know if its worth pushing regulatory changes over.

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

 On Feb 2, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:
 
 On 2/2/15 12:04, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today?
 
 
 Yep, for noncommercial use.
 
 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Peter Kranz]

Yes.

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
 mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

 

Anyone have any ideas what it is?

On 2/2/2015 1:20 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is this being announced at Animal Farm???

 

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Keefe John]

Yes that would be a shame.  I don't think Ubiquiti put in comments in 
support of the 10 ghz petition so a 10 ghz product would be surprising.


On 2/2/2015 1:42 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Well we couldn't yet use that here in the states. Not yet, anyway.



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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*From: *Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, February 2, 2015 1:39:25 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

airfiber 10 ghz?

On 2/2/2015 1:38 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:

Yes.

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Anyone have any ideas what it is?

On 2/2/2015 1:20 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is this being announced at Animal Farm???

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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Keefe John]

Anyone have any ideas what it is?

On 2/2/2015 1:20 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Is this being announced at Animal Farm???

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Bill Prince]

What's the X stand for? 10?  10 GHz? 10 Gbps?  Or is it just the 
unknown sort of like the X-files?


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part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 2/2/2015 11:20 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Is this being announced at Animal Farm???

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X

[Mike Hammett]

Or is it just a placeholder for AF5, AF24 and AF24HD? Where'd you see it 
mentioned? 




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Mike Hammett 
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From: SmarterBroadband li...@smarterbroadband.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 1:20:37 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber X 



Is this being announced at Animal Farm???