Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
Really
I wouldn’t mind hearing (off list) who that distributor is. I know for a fact
that some of them offer pretty deep discounts.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
I called M-TOW a few weeks ago to order suppression. The nice lady on the phone
recommended I call a distributor so I could get below MSRP pricing. I thanked
her and called a distributor that I use for other gear. They charged MSRP and
drop shipped it from Chuck to me. Should have just ordered from M-TOW in the
first place.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
There are a number of people that like buying as much as possible from a single
vendor. Presumably the vendor also has a wider base of customers. There are a
great many valid reasons to use distributors. Whether or not Chuck's case for
into those is good decision.
All I can say for sure is I can't get any more ice shields.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 7:36 PM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
I prefer to buy direct.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:
Have you tried Amazon for distribution?
I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd things
now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.
Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon now,
and good riddance.
At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that helps
buyers etc.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are
the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and
you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your
money right quick, thats for sure
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and
keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some take
advantage of this and some don't.
-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but
we
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then
when a
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
blame us.
The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value.
Otherwise
I would just sell direct.
We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
channel
that gets the sales.
Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
parts in".
On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on
our tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff
on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the
distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t
have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never
answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give
an opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than
those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have
the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle
due to the galvanizati
Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
The bigger ice shield with mesh is getting fabbed up and we will be sending you
a beta unit soon. So many projects so little time.
I have about 6 new products to release for the first of the year. Starting to
think I need to sleep in the shop.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 6:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
There are a number of people that like buying as much as possible from a single
vendor. Presumably the vendor also has a wider base of customers. There are a
great many valid reasons to use distributors. Whether or not Chuck's case for
into those is good decision.
All I can say for sure is I can't get any more ice shields.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 7:36 PM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
I prefer to buy direct.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:
Have you tried Amazon for distribution?
I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd
things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.
Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon
now, and good riddance.
At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that helps
buyers etc.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock
are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie
and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take
your money right quick, thats for sure
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to
all distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse,
and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some
take advantage of this and some don't.
-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory,
but we
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then
when a
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
blame us.
The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value.
Otherwise
I would just sell direct.
We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
channel
that gets the sales.
Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
parts in".
On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock
on our tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the
stuff on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to
the distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t
have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never
answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give
an opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than
those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have
the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle
due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn
them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
I don’t want to have 200 individual boxes on my dock every afternoon to ship.
I would rather have 5 large pallets to distributors each day. We charge them a
surcharge for drop ships.
From: Keefe John
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
If you're giving huge discounts and drop shipping why even have distributors?
They add no value to your product.
On 12/5/2017 4:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are
the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and
you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your
money right quick, thats for sure
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and
keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some take
advantage of this and some don't.
-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but
we
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then
when a
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
blame us.
The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value.
Otherwise
I would just sell direct.
We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
channel
that gets the sales.
Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
parts in".
On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on
our tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff
on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the
distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t
have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never
answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give
an opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than
those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have
the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle
due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn
them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
A friend of mine buys overstock/clearance stuff at the stores and ships to Amazon. She probably does close to 3k (quantity) in items per month and she net's approximately $2 each on the small stuff and up to $10 on the bigger stuff. I know she is making 6 figures doing it. Example: We were at a soccer game the Halloween week. She left and went shopping. She hit every Target/WalMart in a 30 mile radius, and came back a few hours later. The entire back of her SUV was full of candy. Her words, "That's roughly $3,000 in profit right there", and she did it in a few hours of downtime. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:43 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > > seems "everyone" now sells through amazonand other distribs... > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 6:55 PM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > Have you tried Amazon for distribution? > > > > I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd > things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping. > > > > Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon > now, and good riddance. > > > > At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that > helps buyers etc. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian > (List Account) > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM > *To:* af <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > > > I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, > extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their > customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock > are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that > lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they > take your money right quick, thats for sure > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all > distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, > and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some > take advantage of this and some don't. > > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM > To: af@afmug.com > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but > we > are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when > a > distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to > blame us. > > The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the > distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. > Otherwise > I would just sell direct. > > We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the > channel > that gets the sales. > > Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM > To: ch...@wbmfg.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to > absorb the 20-30 day time frames? > > I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they > were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the > parts in". > > On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on > our tower mount products. > Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on > our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the > distributors. > Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t have > visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never > answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can > give an opinion as to who may have them. > I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than > those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always > have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in > the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the > parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* > > Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, > Helena, MT 59602 > > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com > > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> > <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
seems "everyone" now sells through amazonand other distribs...
- Original Message -
From: Sterling Jacobson
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
Have you tried Amazon for distribution?
I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd things
now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.
Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon now,
and good riddance.
At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that helps
buyers etc.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are
the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and
you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your
money right quick, thats for sure
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and
keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some take
advantage of this and some don't.
-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but
we
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then
when a
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
blame us.
The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value.
Otherwise
I would just sell direct.
We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
channel
that gets the sales.
Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
parts in".
On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on
our tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff
on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the
distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t
have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never
answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give
an opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than
those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have
the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle
due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn
them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
We're in the process of experimenting with this with a few of our products, not quite there yet, just a few more hoops to jump through (dealing with either getting UPC labels or figuring out how to list without). But, the intent is to start with a few wider-interest products we've been selling (i.e. the single port gigabit poe adapter we mentioned in a previous thread, and the 10A current shunts). This is a perfect example of my opinions about distributors though: I'm willing to pay Amazon $30/month + 15% to bring me new business. This is with me drop shipping to the customers. For higher turn items, we will also probably have amazon do fulfillment for us. We're still working the details out (like the UPC issue above). But 15% is a good value for this in my mind. A bit higher than I would like to pay, but still 85% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Because we're being picky about what we list over there (at least initially), we will probably not end up with much of our existing business being pushed through amazon, so amazon is largely going to be new referral business for us. We haven't quite decided if we're going to charge a bit more at Amazon to help offset the 15% additional, but I think this is likely. By contrast, the distributors in this industry I've had conversations with want a lot more than 15%. They want to not pay me until 60-90 days after I drop ship to their customers (probably at my expense), and then they can't guarantee that they'll actually bring me new business, and they won't commit to doing any specific marketing of my products. They also want me to only sell at MSRP, and provide enough margin so they can undercut me with lower prices than what I currently sell. I understand the reason behind all of the above, but none of it really helps add to my bottom line.As a result, I do not yet have any distributors, and won't have any until one comes along with a win-win opportunity. At some point in the near future, I'll probably look at re-opening this dialog with several of them to see if something has changed (or if some that I haven't had discussions with yet might have a better offer). I want to be clear: I haven't had a detailed discussion about this with more than a couple of the distributors, so I can't vouch for all of them, but those were the terms for the couple who I have had this discussion with. Add to that the type of frustrations Chuck is having with distributors right now (and which started this thread), and I am sort of glad I haven't ended up down that path. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > Have you tried Amazon for distribution? > > > > I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd > things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping. > > > > Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon > now, and good riddance. > > > > At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that > helps buyers etc. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian > (List Account) > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM > *To:* af <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > > > I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, > extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their > customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock > are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that > lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they > take your money right quick, thats for sure > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all > distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, > and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some > take advantage of this and some don't. > > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM > To: af@afmug.com > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but > we > are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when > a > distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to > blame us. > > The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the > distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value.
Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
I called M-TOW a few weeks ago to order suppression. The nice lady on the phone recommended I call a distributor so I could get below MSRP pricing. I thanked her and called a distributor that I use for other gear. They charged MSRP and drop shipped it from Chuck to me. Should have just ordered from M-TOW in the first place. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 7:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? There are a number of people that like buying as much as possible from a single vendor. Presumably the vendor also has a wider base of customers. There are a great many valid reasons to use distributors. Whether or not Chuck's case for into those is good decision. All I can say for sure is I can't get any more ice shields. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 7:36 PM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: I prefer to buy direct. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: Have you tried Amazon for distribution? I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping. Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon now, and good riddance. At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that helps buyers etc. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM To: af <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your money right quick, thats for sure On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some take advantage of this and some don't. -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to blame us. The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. Otherwise I would just sell direct. We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel that gets the sales. Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to absorb the 20-30 day time frames? I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the parts in". On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our tower mount products. Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the distributors. Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give an opinion as to who may have them. I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 <tel:(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g> <mailto:forre...@imach.com> forre...@imach.com | <http://www.packetflux.com/> http://www.packetflux.com
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There are a number of people that like buying as much as possible from a single vendor. Presumably the vendor also has a wider base of customers. There are a great many valid reasons to use distributors. Whether or not Chuck's case for into those is good decision. All I can say for sure is I can't get any more ice shields. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017, 7:36 PM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > I prefer to buy direct. > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> > wrote: > >> Have you tried Amazon for distribution? >> >> >> >> I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd >> things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping. >> >> >> >> Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon >> now, and good riddance. >> >> >> >> At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that >> helps buyers etc. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest >> Christian (List Account) >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM >> *To:* af <af@afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? >> >> >> >> I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, >> extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their >> customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock >> are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that >> lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they >> take your money right quick, thats for sure >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all >> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, >> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some >> take advantage of this and some don't. >> >> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? >> >> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but >> we >> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then >> when a >> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to >> blame us. >> >> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the >> distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. >> Otherwise >> I would just sell direct. >> >> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the >> channel >> that gets the sales. >> >> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. >> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM >> To: ch...@wbmfg.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? >> >> Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to >> absorb the 20-30 day time frames? >> >> I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they >> were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the >> parts in". >> >> On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >> I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on >> our tower mount products. >> Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on >> our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the >> distributors. >> Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t >> have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never >> answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can >> give an opinion as to who may have them. >> I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than >> those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always >> have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in >> the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the >> parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* >> >> Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, >> Helena, MT 59602 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g> >> >> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com >> >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> >> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> >> >> >
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I prefer to buy direct. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > Have you tried Amazon for distribution? > > > > I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd > things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping. > > > > Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon > now, and good riddance. > > > > At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that > helps buyers etc. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian > (List Account) > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM > *To:* af <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > > > I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, > extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their > customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock > are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that > lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they > take your money right quick, thats for sure > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all > distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, > and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some > take advantage of this and some don't. > > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM > To: af@afmug.com > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but > we > are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when > a > distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to > blame us. > > The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the > distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. > Otherwise > I would just sell direct. > > We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the > channel > that gets the sales. > > Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM > To: ch...@wbmfg.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to > absorb the 20-30 day time frames? > > I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they > were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the > parts in". > > On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on > our tower mount products. > Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on > our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the > distributors. > Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t have > visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never > answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can > give an opinion as to who may have them. > I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than > those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always > have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in > the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the > parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* > > Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, > Helena, MT 59602 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g> > > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com > > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> > <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> > >
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Have you tried Amazon for distribution? I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping. Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon now, and good riddance. At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that helps buyers etc. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM To: af <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your money right quick, thats for sure On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some take advantage of this and some don't. -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to blame us. The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. Otherwise I would just sell direct. We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel that gets the sales. Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to absorb the 20-30 day time frames? I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the parts in". On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our tower mount products. Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the distributors. Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give an opinion as to who may have them. I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com<mailto:forre...@imach.com> | http://www.packetflux.com<http://www.packetflux.com/> [https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons/linkedin.png]<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> [https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons/facebook.png] <http://facebook.com/packetflux> [https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons/twitter.png] <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
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The guys doing the drop shipping are playing both ends against the middle, they know, for example, if chuck doesnt give them the discount, we will only see the msrp cost, which wont be nearly as competitive. Whats chuck to do in this case? Screw the end user because the middlemans a dick? face it, we look at the manufacturer name when we bitch about cost. nobody ever says screw doubleradius, cambium gears too expensive, we say screw cambium, because our preferred middleman may be doubleradius and distributors know this, small manufacturers probably get regular curbstompings from distributors because theyre locked into smaller production runs and tighter forecasting . In a perfect world free market principles would take care of this, but we are all cuckolded to certain distributors for various reasons, whether its warehouse locations, volume discount, support, whatever. Still, F those guys. Next wispapalooza you should do an award for dropshippiest distributor, something like a little plaque with a drop of white letting them know theyre the white part of the bird poop (doubleradius name was used because it popped into mind, I always liked those guys, nothing meant by referencing them) On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > Agreed. I'd cut the discounts on drop-shipped. They are providing little > value, so they earn little value. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:37:41 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > If you're giving huge discounts and drop shipping why even have > distributors? They add no value to your product. > > On 12/5/2017 4:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > > I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, > extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their > customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock >> are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that >> lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they >> take your money right quick, thats for sure >> >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all >>> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, >>> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some >>> take advantage of this and some don't. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? >>> >>> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, >>> but we >>> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then >>> when a >>> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to >>> blame us. >>> >>> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the >>> distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. >>> Otherwise >>> I would just sell direct. >>> >>> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the >>> channel >>> that gets the sales. >>> >>> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM >>> To: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? >>> >>> Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
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Agreed. I'd cut the discounts on drop-shipped. They are providing little value, so they earn little value. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:37:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? If you're giving huge discounts and drop shipping why even have distributors? They add no value to your product. On 12/5/2017 4:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your money right quick, thats for sure On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some take advantage of this and some don't. -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to blame us. The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. Otherwise I would just sell direct. We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel that gets the sales. Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to absorb the 20-30 day time frames? I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the parts in". On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our tower mount products. Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the distributors. Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give an opinion as to who may have them. I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. -- Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
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If you're giving huge discounts and drop shipping why even have distributors? They add no value to your product. On 12/5/2017 4:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your money right quick, thats for sure On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some take advantage of this and some don't. -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to blame us. The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. Otherwise I would just sell direct. We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel that gets the sales. Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to absorb the 20-30 day time frames? I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the parts in". On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our tower mount products. Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the distributors. Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give an opinion as to who may have them. I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./ Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com <mailto:forre...@imach.com> | http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.packetflux.com/> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
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On 12/5/17 2:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. Honestly I don't see the point of a distributor that won't stock and relies on drop shipping everything. I'm fine with drop ship for stuff like if it doesn't move in large volumes, but drop ship should be the exception, not the rule. ~Seth
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I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers. There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock > are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that > lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they > take your money right quick, thats for sure > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all >> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, >> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some >> take advantage of this and some don't. >> >> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? >> >> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but >> we >> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then >> when a >> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to >> blame us. >> >> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the >> distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. >> Otherwise >> I would just sell direct. >> >> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the >> channel >> that gets the sales. >> >> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. >> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM >> To: ch...@wbmfg.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? >> >> Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to >> absorb the 20-30 day time frames? >> >> I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they >> were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the >> parts in". >> >> On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >>> I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on >>> our tower mount products. >>> Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff >>> on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the >>> distributors. >>> Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t >>> have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never >>> answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can >>> give an opinion as to who may have them. >>> I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than >>> those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always >>> have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in >>> the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the >>> parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. >>> >> >> > -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
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Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your money right quick, thats for sure On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all > distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, > and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some > take advantage of this and some don't. > > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but > we > are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when > a > distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to > blame us. > > The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the > distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. > Otherwise > I would just sell direct. > > We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the > channel > that gets the sales. > > Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. > > -Original Message----- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM > To: ch...@wbmfg.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? > > Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to > absorb the 20-30 day time frames? > > I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they > were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the > parts in". > > On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >> I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on >> our tower mount products. >> Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on >> our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the >> distributors. >> Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t >> have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never >> answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can >> give an opinion as to who may have them. >> I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than >> those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always >> have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in >> the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the >> parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days. >> > >
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We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts). Some take advantage of this and some don't. -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to blame us. The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. Otherwise I would just sell direct. We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel that gets the sales. Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to absorb the 20-30 day time frames? I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the parts in". On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our tower mount products. Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the distributors. Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give an opinion as to who may have them. I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to blame us. The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the distributors have inventory, not us. That is how they add value. Otherwise I would just sell direct. We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel that gets the sales. Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query? Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to absorb the 20-30 day time frames? I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the parts in". On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our tower mount products. Some of our distributors stock, some don’t. We have most of the stuff on our e-commerce site but it is MSRP. You get discounts from going to the distributors. Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not. I don’t have visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer as to what they may or may not have. If you hit me off list I can give an opinion as to who may have them. I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them. We may not always have the stuff depending on production cycles. We have a huge unknown in the cycle due to the galvanization. Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
