Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Jason McKemie
So would a Juniper SRX240 be comparable to a Cisco 7301 performance-wise?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
wrote:

  Those guys will combine shipping, if you buy 2, 3 or 4 units it costs a
 lot less than $80 per unit.



 On 2/20/15 8:21 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 http://m.ebay.com/itm/like/191300871212?lpid=82chn=ps

 :: Josh Reynolds, CIO, SPITwSPOTS - Pardon any brevity, this message was
 sent via mobile device
 On Feb 20, 2015 10:57 AM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
 e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:

  ebay, yeah.

 It can't hurt to google used cisco routers and send an email RFQ to a
 bunch of random dealers, only takes a few minutes. Whatever you do don't
 give them your phone number!


 On 2/20/15 7:44 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 Do you have a source you would recommend for the 7301? Ebay or otherwise?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:

  Sure, depends on your climate and install location.  If you want
 something smaller and not too expensive that will handle up to gigE buy a
 7301, it's the same routing engine as either a NPE-G100 (in a 7304) or a
 NPE-G1 in a 7206VXR.

 1U rackmount, three gigE, you can add a single PA for an additional two
 100BaseTX or a single PA-GE for a 4th gigE.

 I've been buying 7301 for right around $250 a piece for edge stuff.

 The 7201 is the same thing as an NPE-G2 and still too much .



 On 2/20/15 7:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 and have a space heater too.



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 *From: *Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
 e...@kuhnke-international.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, February 20, 2015 1:17:04 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

 a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router. it's a switch that wishes it
 were a router. for under $500 you can build a 6506E with dual sup32 that
 will run circles around it in real world routing performance and can do
 things like MPLS...

 or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for under $800.


 On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote:

 3560X?  With the four-SFP module.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment,
 but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future.
 Ultimately, I'd like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few
 hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the price was right.
 Features needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the
 ability of terminating VPN connections.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 What kind of feature set are you looking for?  Are you using this for edge
 routing (eg eBGP) or just switching?  What other features do you need?  How
 much traffic are you looking to push?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 L3.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you need L3 or just L2?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see if
 there are any new thoughts.  I'm having some difficulty getting a Mikrotik
 CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP.  Therefore, I'm
 looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would probably be
 looking at something besides the brand new models.  It does need to be able
 to handle GigE, however.  Any recommendations?  Thanks.

  -Jason















Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Jason McKemie
I see a lot of these in the DC version and they appear to be cheaper than
AC.  I could go that route, but given my current setup AC would be easier.

Also, I see this in the throughput specs:

Process -
PPS:79,000
Mbps:40.448

Fast/CEF
PPS:1,018,000
Mbps:521.22

Are these just very conservative or does this look about right?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

 http://m.ebay.com/itm/like/191300871212?lpid=82chn=ps

 :: Josh Reynolds, CIO, SPITwSPOTS - Pardon any brevity, this message was
 sent via mobile device
 On Feb 20, 2015 10:57 AM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
 wrote:

  ebay, yeah.

 It can't hurt to google used cisco routers and send an email RFQ to a
 bunch of random dealers, only takes a few minutes. Whatever you do don't
 give them your phone number!


 On 2/20/15 7:44 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 Do you have a source you would recommend for the 7301? Ebay or otherwise?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:

  Sure, depends on your climate and install location.  If you want
 something smaller and not too expensive that will handle up to gigE buy a
 7301, it's the same routing engine as either a NPE-G100 (in a 7304) or a
 NPE-G1 in a 7206VXR.

 1U rackmount, three gigE, you can add a single PA for an additional two
 100BaseTX or a single PA-GE for a 4th gigE.

 I've been buying 7301 for right around $250 a piece for edge stuff.

 The 7201 is the same thing as an NPE-G2 and still too much .



 On 2/20/15 7:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 and have a space heater too.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

  --
 *From: *Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
 e...@kuhnke-international.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, February 20, 2015 1:17:04 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

 a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router. it's a switch that wishes it
 were a router. for under $500 you can build a 6506E with dual sup32 that
 will run circles around it in real world routing performance and can do
 things like MPLS...

 or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for under $800.


 On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote:

 3560X?  With the four-SFP module.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment,
 but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future.
 Ultimately, I'd like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few
 hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the price was right.
 Features needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the
 ability of terminating VPN connections.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 What kind of feature set are you looking for?  Are you using this for edge
 routing (eg eBGP) or just switching?  What other features do you need?  How
 much traffic are you looking to push?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 L3.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you need L3 or just L2?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see if
 there are any new thoughts.  I'm having some difficulty getting a Mikrotik
 CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP.  Therefore, I'm
 looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would probably be
 looking at something besides the brand new models.  It does need to be able
 to handle GigE, however.  Any recommendations?  Thanks.

  -Jason














Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Josh Baird
What kind of feature set are you looking for?  Are you using this for edge
routing (eg eBGP) or just switching?  What other features do you need?  How
much traffic are you looking to push?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 L3.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you need L3 or just L2?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see if
 there are any new thoughts.  I'm having some difficulty getting a Mikrotik
 CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP.  Therefore, I'm
 looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would probably be
 looking at something besides the brand new models.  It does need to be able
 to handle GigE, however.  Any recommendations?  Thanks.

 -Jason






Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Jason McKemie
This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment,
but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future.
Ultimately, I'd like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few
hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the price was right.
Features needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the
ability of terminating VPN connections.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 What kind of feature set are you looking for?  Are you using this for edge
 routing (eg eBGP) or just switching?  What other features do you need?  How
 much traffic are you looking to push?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 L3.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you need L3 or just L2?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see if
 there are any new thoughts.  I'm having some difficulty getting a Mikrotik
 CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP.  Therefore, I'm
 looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would probably be
 looking at something besides the brand new models.  It does need to be able
 to handle GigE, however.  Any recommendations?  Thanks.

 -Jason







Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Mike Hammett
and have a space heater too. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 1:17:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations 


a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router. it's a switch that wishes it were a 
router. for under $500 you can build a 6506E with dual sup32 that will run 
circles around it in real world routing performance and can do things like 
MPLS... 

or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for under $800. 


On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote: 



3560X? With the four-SFP module. 


On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie  
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com  wrote: 

blockquote

This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment, but 
it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future. Ultimately, I'd 
like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few hundred megabit 
would probably suffice for now if the price was right. Features needed are 
basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the ability of terminating VPN 
connections. 


On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird  joshba...@gmail.com  wrote: 

blockquote

What kind of feature set are you looking for? Are you using this for edge 
routing (eg eBGP) or just switching? What other features do you need? How much 
traffic are you looking to push? 




On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie  
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com  wrote: 

blockquote

L3. 


On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird  joshba...@gmail.com  wrote: 



blockquote

Do you need L3 or just L2? 




On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie  
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com  wrote: 

blockquote

I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see if there 
are any new thoughts. I'm having some difficulty getting a Mikrotik CCR to link 
up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP. Therefore, I'm looking to go with 
Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would probably be looking at something besides 
the brand new models. It does need to be able to handle GigE, however. Any 
recommendations? Thanks. 


-Jason 



/blockquote


/blockquote


/blockquote


/blockquote


/blockquote




Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Eric Kuhnke

  
  
a few hundred megabit?  a 7304 with
  dual AC power supplies, NPE-G100 and a couple of extra gigE
  interfaces will total you under $300 if you look in the right
  places.
  
  On 2/20/15 6:35 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:


  This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do
any BGP at the moment, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have
that option for the future.  Ultimately, I'd like for it to be
able to move around a gigabit, but a few hundred megabit would
probably suffice for now if the price was right.  Features
needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the
ability of terminating VPN connections.
  
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh
  Baird joshba...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
What kind of feature set are you looking
  for?  Are you using this for edge routing (eg eBGP) or
  just switching?  What other features do you need?  How
  much traffic are you looking to push?

  On Fri, Feb 20,
  2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
  wrote:


  L3.
  
On
  Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
  wrote:

  

  
  Do you need L3 or just L2?


  

  On Fri,
  Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason
  McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
  wrote:

  
I started a
  thread to this effect a long
  time ago, but wanted to see if
  there are any new thoughts. 
  I'm having some difficulty
  getting a Mikrotik CCR to link
  up correctly to a Cisco Nexus
  switch via SFP.  Therefore,
  I'm looking to go with Cisco
  or Juniper on my end, but
  would probably be looking at
  something besides the brand
  new models.  It does need to
  be able to handle GigE,
  however.  Any
  recommendations?  Thanks.
  
  
  -Jason

  

  

  

  

  


  

  
  

  


  


  



Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Jeremy
3560X?  With the four-SFP module.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment,
 but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future.
 Ultimately, I'd like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few
 hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the price was right.
 Features needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the
 ability of terminating VPN connections.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 What kind of feature set are you looking for?  Are you using this for
 edge routing (eg eBGP) or just switching?  What other features do you
 need?  How much traffic are you looking to push?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 L3.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Do you need L3 or just L2?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see
 if there are any new thoughts.  I'm having some difficulty getting a
 Mikrotik CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP.
 Therefore, I'm looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would
 probably be looking at something besides the brand new models.  It does
 need to be able to handle GigE, however.  Any recommendations?  Thanks.

 -Jason








Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Eric Kuhnke

  
  
a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a
  router. it's a switch that wishes it were a router. for under $500
  you can build a 6506E with dual sup32 that will run circles around
  it in real world routing performance and can do things like
  MPLS...
  
  or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for under $800.
  
  
  On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote:


  3560X?  With the four-SFP module.  
  
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason
  McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
  wrote:
  
This will be an edge router, I'm not looking
  to do any BGP at the moment, but it wouldn't be a bad
  thing to have that option for the future.  Ultimately, I'd
  like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few
  hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the
  price was right.  Features needed are basic routing /
  simple firewall with possibly the ability of terminating
  VPN connections.

  On Fri, Feb 20,
  2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
  wrote:


What kind of feature set are you
  looking for?  Are you using this for edge routing
  (eg eBGP) or just switching?  What other features
  do you need?  How much traffic are you looking to
  push?
  
  

  
On Fri, Feb 20,
2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
wrote:
  
  
L3.

  On
Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh
Baird joshba...@gmail.com
wrote:
  

  

Do you need L3 or
  just L2?
  
  

  
On
Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at
12:09 PM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
wrote:
  

  I
started a thread to
this effect a long
time ago, but wanted
to see if there are
any new thoughts. 
I'm having some
difficulty getting a
Mikrotik CCR to link
up correctly to a
Cisco Nexus switch
via SFP.  Therefore,
I'm looking to go
with Cisco or
Juniper on my end,
but would probably
be looking at
something besides
the brand new
models.  It does
need to be able to
handle GigE,
however.  Any
recommendations? 
Thanks.


-Jason
  


Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Jason McKemie
Do you have a source you would recommend for the 7301? Ebay or otherwise?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
wrote:

  Sure, depends on your climate and install location.  If you want
 something smaller and not too expensive that will handle up to gigE buy a
 7301, it's the same routing engine as either a NPE-G100 (in a 7304) or a
 NPE-G1 in a 7206VXR.

 1U rackmount, three gigE, you can add a single PA for an additional two
 100BaseTX or a single PA-GE for a 4th gigE.

 I've been buying 7301 for right around $250 a piece for edge stuff.

 The 7201 is the same thing as an NPE-G2 and still too much .



 On 2/20/15 7:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 and have a space heater too.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

  --
 *From: *Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
 e...@kuhnke-international.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, February 20, 2015 1:17:04 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

 a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router. it's a switch that wishes it
 were a router. for under $500 you can build a 6506E with dual sup32 that
 will run circles around it in real world routing performance and can do
 things like MPLS...

 or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for under $800.


 On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote:

 3560X?  With the four-SFP module.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment,
 but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future.
 Ultimately, I'd like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few
 hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the price was right.
 Features needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the
 ability of terminating VPN connections.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 What kind of feature set are you looking for?  Are you using this for
 edge routing (eg eBGP) or just switching?  What other features do you
 need?  How much traffic are you looking to push?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 L3.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Do you need L3 or just L2?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see
 if there are any new thoughts.  I'm having some difficulty getting a
 Mikrotik CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP.
 Therefore, I'm looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would
 probably be looking at something besides the brand new models.  It does
 need to be able to handle GigE, however.  Any recommendations?  Thanks.

  -Jason












Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Eric Kuhnke

  
  
ebay, yeah.
  
  It can't hurt to google "used cisco routers" and send an email RFQ
  to a bunch of random dealers, only takes a few minutes. Whatever
  you do don't give them your phone number!
  
  
  On 2/20/15 7:44 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:


  Do you have a source you would recommend for the
7301? Ebay or otherwise?
  
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Eric
  Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
  wrote:
  

  Sure, depends on your climate and install location. 
If you want something smaller and not too expensive that
will handle up to gigE buy a 7301, it's the same routing
engine as either a NPE-G100 (in a 7304) or a NPE-G1 in a
7206VXR.

1U rackmount, three gigE, you can add a single PA for an
additional two 100BaseTX or a single PA-GE for a 4th
gigE.

I've been buying 7301 for right around $250 a piece for
edge stuff.

The 7201 is the same thing as an NPE-G2 and still too
much .

  


On 2/20/15 7:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  

  
  

  
and
  have a space heater too.
  
  

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



  
  
  From:
"Eric Kuhnke" e...@kuhnke-international.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 1:17:04
PM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE
    Recommendations

a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router.
  it's a switch that wishes it were a router.
  for under $500 you can build a 6506E with dual
  sup32 that will run circles around it in real
  world routing performance and can do things
  like MPLS...
  
  or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for
  under $800.
  
  
  On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote:


  3560X?  With the four-SFP
module.  
  
On Fri, Feb 20,
  2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
  wrote:
  
This will be an edge
  router, I'm not looking to do any BGP
  at the moment, but it wouldn't be a
  bad thing to have that option for the
  future.  Ultimately, I'd like for it
  to be able to move around a gigabit,
  but a few hundred megabit would
  probably suffice for now if the price
  was right.  Features needed are basic
  routing / simple firewall with
  possibly the ability of terminating
  VPN connections.

  On Fri,
  Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh
  Baird joshba...@gmail.com
  wrote:


What kind of
  feature set are you looking
  for?  Are you using this for
  edge routing (eg eBGP) or just
  switching?  What other
  features do you need?  How
  much traffic are you looking
 

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Jeremy
He asked for a replacement for a Cisco Nexus SWITCH.  He didn't ask about a
router that I saw.  Maybe I am misunderstanding what he was looking for.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
 wrote:

  a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router. it's a switch that wishes it
 were a router. for under $500 you can build a 6506E with dual sup32 that
 will run circles around it in real world routing performance and can do
 things like MPLS...

 or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for under $800.


 On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote:

 3560X?  With the four-SFP module.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment,
 but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future.
 Ultimately, I'd like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few
 hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the price was right.
 Features needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the
 ability of terminating VPN connections.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 What kind of feature set are you looking for?  Are you using this for
 edge routing (eg eBGP) or just switching?  What other features do you
 need?  How much traffic are you looking to push?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 L3.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Do you need L3 or just L2?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see
 if there are any new thoughts.  I'm having some difficulty getting a
 Mikrotik CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP.
 Therefore, I'm looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would
 probably be looking at something besides the brand new models.  It does
 need to be able to handle GigE, however.  Any recommendations?  Thanks.

  -Jason










Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Jason McKemie
Maybe my wording was confusing.  The Cisco Nexus switch is at the OTHER end
of the link.  The CCR is at my end.  I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to link up
to it via dark fiber.  We did some testing and the problem wound up having
something to do with the Mikrotik.  Therefore I'm looking for an
alternative.

-Jason

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 He asked for a replacement for a Cisco Nexus SWITCH.  He didn't ask about
 a router that I saw.  Maybe I am misunderstanding what he was looking for.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:

  a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router. it's a switch that wishes it
 were a router. for under $500 you can build a 6506E with dual sup32 that
 will run circles around it in real world routing performance and can do
 things like MPLS...

 or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for under $800.


 On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote:

 3560X?  With the four-SFP module.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 This will be an edge router, I'm not looking to do any BGP at the
 moment, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that option for the future.
 Ultimately, I'd like for it to be able to move around a gigabit, but a few
 hundred megabit would probably suffice for now if the price was right.
 Features needed are basic routing / simple firewall with possibly the
 ability of terminating VPN connections.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What kind of feature set are you looking for?  Are you using this for
 edge routing (eg eBGP) or just switching?  What other features do you
 need?  How much traffic are you looking to push?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 L3.

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Do you need L3 or just L2?

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 I started a thread to this effect a long time ago, but wanted to see
 if there are any new thoughts.  I'm having some difficulty getting a
 Mikrotik CCR to link up correctly to a Cisco Nexus switch via SFP.
 Therefore, I'm looking to go with Cisco or Juniper on my end, but would
 probably be looking at something besides the brand new models.  It does
 need to be able to handle GigE, however.  Any recommendations?  Thanks.

  -Jason











Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Eric Kuhnke

  
  
he said "edge router" not "L3 capable
  switch"...  
  
  the only sort of thing that resembles a switch and is a real edge
  router (enough RAM to take full tables, etc) is the ME3600X or
  similar, which is .
  
  
  On 2/20/15 8:03 PM, Jeremy wrote:


  He asked for a replacement for a Cisco Nexus
SWITCH.  He didn't ask about a router that I saw.  Maybe I am
misunderstanding what he was looking for.
  
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Eric
  Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
  wrote:
  

  a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router. it's a
switch that wishes it were a router. for under $500 you
can build a 6506E with dual sup32 that will run circles
around it in real world routing performance and can do
things like MPLS...

or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for under
$800.
  
  
  On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote:

  
  3560X?  With the four-SFP module.  


  On Fri, Feb
  20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
  wrote:


  

  This will be an edge router,
I'm not looking to do any BGP at the moment,
but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have that
option for the future.  Ultimately, I'd like
for it to be able to move around a gigabit,
but a few hundred megabit would probably
suffice for now if the price was right. 
Features needed are basic routing / simple
firewall with possibly the ability of
terminating VPN connections.
  
On Fri, Feb
20, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
wrote:
  
  
  What kind of feature
set are you looking for?  Are you
using this for edge routing (eg
eBGP) or just switching?  What other
features do you need?  How much
traffic are you looking to push?


  

  On
  Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM,
  Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
  wrote:


  L3.
  
On

  Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at
  12:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
  wrote:

  

  
  Do
you need L3 or
just L2?


  

  On

  Fri, Feb 20,
  2015 at 12:09
  PM, Jason
  McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
  wrote:
  
  
  I
  started a
   

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper / Cisco GE Recommendations

2015-02-20 Thread Eric Kuhnke

  
  
If you have the space and power/heat
  budget for it, a 6503E with dual sup32 and a 16-port WS-X6516 GBIC
  blade can be built for under $1200-1400, giving you 32 ports of
  modular gigE...
  
  choose AC or DC power. The AC power 2700W power supplies and PEMs
  (power entry modules) are still somewhat expensive in the resale
  market.
  
  I have put 6503E on plywood backboards in condo MDFs using decent
  4U rackmount brackets.
  

  On 2/20/15 8:07 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:


  Maybe my wording was confusing.  The Cisco Nexus
switch is at the OTHER end of the link.  The CCR is at my end. 
I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to link up to it via dark fiber.  We
did some testing and the problem wound up having something to do
with the Mikrotik.  Therefore I'm looking for an alternative.


-Jason
  
  
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Jeremy
  jeremysmi...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
He asked for a replacement for a Cisco Nexus
  SWITCH.  He didn't ask about a router that I saw.  Maybe I
  am misunderstanding what he was looking for.

  On Fri, Feb 20,
  2015 at 12:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
  wrote:


  
  a 3560X or a 3750 is not really a router.
it's a switch that wishes it were a router. for
under $500 you can build a 6506E with dual sup32
that will run circles around it in real world
routing performance and can do things like
MPLS...

or buy a 7606 or 7609 and equip similarly for
under $800.
  
  
  On 2/20/15 6:58 PM, Jeremy wrote:



  3560X?  With the four-SFP
module.  

  
On
  Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jason
  McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
  wrote:

  

  
  This will be an edge
router, I'm not looking to do any
BGP at the moment, but it wouldn't
be a bad thing to have that option
for the future.  Ultimately, I'd
like for it to be able to move
around a gigabit, but a few hundred
megabit would probably suffice for
now if the price was right. 
Features needed are basic routing /
simple firewall with possibly the
ability of terminating VPN
connections.


  

  On
  Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM,
  Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
  wrote:


What kind of
  feature set are you
  looking for?  Are you
  using this for edge
  routing (eg eBGP) or just
  switching?  What other
  features do you need?  How
  much traffic are you
  looking to push?
  
  

  
On
Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at
1:25 PM, Jason
McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com