Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Steve Jones]

Lol, no, i was at one of those this weekend, all i could figure there is
using their electric conduit for fiber to feed low power access points at
the power hookups, or 900 mhz and you rent tripods with flexible rugged cat5

On Aug 17, 2017 7:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Ah ok. I thought you were talking about campground-in-the-woods-for-
> netflix.
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 7:24 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As best i can tell, vlan aside cnmaestro does that. Everything is
>> template and serial number based so config would be a no brainer, backhaul
>> would be backhaul, thats no special feat.
>> Im looking at a small campground for work, 2 aps at most and we already
>> serve the office and another building from an epmp sm in ap mode so the
>> sites already in cnmaestro
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 7:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> What about backhaul? Captive portal? Vlan assignment? Per user or per
>> service QoS? WiFi air packet diagnostics for troubleshooting? Single or
>> dual or triple radio? AirTime leveling? How hard is it to push the same
>> config to other devices? Compliment of various antennas?
>>
>> You may not need or want any of this. Or, you might.
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 7:02 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still
>>>> serving clients?
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Because its there
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would you want to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele <
>>>>>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi
>>>>>>> POE Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of
>>>>>>> the network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
>>>>>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it 
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size,
>>>>>>>> but will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in 
>>>>>>>> UniFi
>>>>>>>> these days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing
>>>>>>>> hardware. Looks good so far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently
>>>>>>>>> saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
>>>>>>>>> Fuller
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.c

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Josh Reynolds]

Ah ok. I thought you were talking about campground-in-the-woods-for-netflix.

On Aug 17, 2017 7:24 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As best i can tell, vlan aside cnmaestro does that. Everything is template
> and serial number based so config would be a no brainer, backhaul would be
> backhaul, thats no special feat.
> Im looking at a small campground for work, 2 aps at most and we already
> serve the office and another building from an epmp sm in ap mode so the
> sites already in cnmaestro
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 7:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> What about backhaul? Captive portal? Vlan assignment? Per user or per
> service QoS? WiFi air packet diagnostics for troubleshooting? Single or
> dual or triple radio? AirTime leveling? How hard is it to push the same
> config to other devices? Compliment of various antennas?
>
> You may not need or want any of this. Or, you might.
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 7:02 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still
>>> serving clients?
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Because its there
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why would you want to?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele <
>>>>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE
>>>>>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the
>>>>>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
>>>>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it 
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size,
>>>>>>> but will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in 
>>>>>>> UniFi
>>>>>>> these days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing
>>>>>>> hardware. Looks good so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently
>>>>>>>> saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
>>>>>>>> Fuller
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>>>
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Steve Jones]

As best i can tell, vlan aside cnmaestro does that. Everything is template
and serial number based so config would be a no brainer, backhaul would be
backhaul, thats no special feat.
Im looking at a small campground for work, 2 aps at most and we already
serve the office and another building from an epmp sm in ap mode so the
sites already in cnmaestro

On Aug 17, 2017 7:12 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

What about backhaul? Captive portal? Vlan assignment? Per user or per
service QoS? WiFi air packet diagnostics for troubleshooting? Single or
dual or triple radio? AirTime leveling? How hard is it to push the same
config to other devices? Compliment of various antennas?

You may not need or want any of this. Or, you might.

On Aug 17, 2017 7:02 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still
>> serving clients?
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Because its there
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why would you want to?
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele <
>>>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE
>>>>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the
>>>>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
>>>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is 
>>>>> the
>>>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it 
>>>>> it's
>>>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but
>>>>>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi 
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing
>>>>>> hardware. Looks good so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently
>>>>>>> saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
>>>>>>> Fuller
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but
>>>>>>> you may want to a

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Josh Reynolds]

What about backhaul? Captive portal? Vlan assignment? Per user or per
service QoS? WiFi air packet diagnostics for troubleshooting? Single or
dual or triple radio? AirTime leveling? How hard is it to push the same
config to other devices? Compliment of various antennas?

You may not need or want any of this. Or, you might.

On Aug 17, 2017 7:02 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still
>> serving clients?
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Because its there
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why would you want to?
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele <
>>>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE
>>>>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the
>>>>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
>>>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is 
>>>>> the
>>>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it 
>>>>> it's
>>>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but
>>>>>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi 
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing
>>>>>> hardware. Looks good so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently
>>>>>>> saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
>>>>>>> Fuller
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but
>>>>>>> you may want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Layne Sisk
>>>>>>> ServerPlus
>>>>>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> > now.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > -- Original Message --
>>>>>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> 11ac?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>>>>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
>>>>>>> >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
>>>>>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> >>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> ---
>>>>>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>>>>>> >>> http://www.avg.com
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Steve Jones]

There is an outdoor wifi accesspoint

On Aug 17, 2017 6:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still
> serving clients?
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Because its there
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you want to?
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele <
>>> timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE
>>>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the
>>>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
>>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the
>>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's
>>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but
>>>>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi 
>>>>> these
>>>>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing
>>>>> hardware. Looks good so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw
>>>>>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
>>>>>> Fuller
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but
>>>>>> you may want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Layne Sisk
>>>>>> ServerPlus
>>>>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
>>>>>> > now.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > -- Original Message --
>>>>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> 11ac?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>>>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
>>>>>> >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
>>>>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> >>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> ---
>>>>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>>>>> >>> http://www.avg.com
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Josh Reynolds]

Can one of those even... I guess wds bridge to another unit while still
serving clients?

On Aug 17, 2017 6:32 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Because its there
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Why would you want to?
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE
>>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the
>>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
>>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the
>>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's
>>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but
>>>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these
>>>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>>>>
>>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing
>>>> hardware. Looks good so far.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw
>>>>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rory
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
>>>>> Fuller
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but
>>>>> you may want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Layne Sisk
>>>>> ServerPlus
>>>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
>>>>> > now.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > -- Original Message --
>>>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >> 11ac?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> -- Original Message --
>>>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
>>>>> >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
>>>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we
>>>>> should
>>>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do
>>>>> >>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ---
>>>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>>>> >>> http://www.avg.com
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Steve Jones]

Because its there

On Aug 17, 2017 5:49 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Why would you want to?
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE
>> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the
>> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
>> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the
>> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's
>> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but
>>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these
>>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>>>
>>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing
>>> hardware. Looks good so far.
>>>
>>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw
>>>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
>>>> Fuller
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>>>>
>>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you
>>>> may want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the
>>>> environment.
>>>>
>>>> Layne Sisk
>>>> ServerPlus
>>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On
>>>> Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>
>>>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
>>>> > now.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > -- Original Message --
>>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >> 11ac?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -- Original Message --
>>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
>>>> >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
>>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should
>>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do
>>>> >>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ---
>>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>>> >>> http://www.avg.com
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Josh Reynolds]

Why would you want to?

On Aug 17, 2017 5:44 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE
> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the
> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the
> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's
> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but
>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these
>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>>
>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware.
>> Looks good so far.
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw
>>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>>>
>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> *From:* Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com>
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you
>>> may want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> Layne Sisk
>>> ServerPlus
>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf
>>> Of Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>> Gotcha.
>>>
>>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
>>> > now.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> > -- Original Message --
>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>> >
>>>
>>> >> 11ac?
>>> >>
>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -- Original Message --
>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
>>> >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should
>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do
>>> >>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ---
>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> >>> http://www.avg.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[George Skorup]

Yes. Only problem we're running into is the captive portal and SSL.

On 8/17/2017 5:44 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele 
<timothy.pct...@gmail.com <mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi
POE Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of
100% of the network see how is having signal issues and what AP's
are going down captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with
unifi controller is the only way I would ever do a campground
again when you mix other gear it it's just a nightmare to maintain
not even worth it


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell
size, but will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of
cool tweaks in UniFi these days. AirTime Fairness can help a
lot as well.

Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the
existing hardware. Looks good so far.

On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway"
<r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we
consistently saw 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?

I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times

- Original Message -

*From:*Layne Sisk <mailto:la...@serverplus.com>

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

    *Sent:*Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We support several campgrounds and I know it is more
expensive, but you may want to at least consider Rukus
gear.  It seems quite stable in the environment.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102 <tel:%28801%29%20426-8283>






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

Gotcha.

Adam Moffett wrote:
> Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is
totally a thing
> now.
>
>

> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
        > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>

>> 11ac?
>>
>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>"
<af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some
campgrounds and need
>>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5
GHz Rocket on an
>>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point. 
I think we should

>>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and
5 GHz. What do
>>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Steve Jones]

is anybody using the cnpilot stuff with cnmaestro for this?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE
> Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the
> network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
> captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the
> only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's
> just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but
>> will keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these
>> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>>
>> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware.
>> Looks good so far.
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw
>>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>>>
>>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> *From:* Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com>
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you
>>> may want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> Layne Sisk
>>> ServerPlus
>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf
>>> Of Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>> Gotcha.
>>>
>>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
>>> > now.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> > -- Original Message --
>>> > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>> >
>>>
>>> >> 11ac?
>>> >>
>>> >> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -- Original Message --
>>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
>>> >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
>>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should
>>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do
>>> >>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ---
>>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> >>> http://www.avg.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Timothy Steele]

Do all unifi with unifi mesh for your BH's use all switches unifi POE
Switches get a cloud key this way you will see graph data of 100% of the
network see how is having signal issues and what AP's are going down
captive portal and QOS all built in 100% Unifi with unifi controller is the
only way I would ever do a campground again when you mix other gear it it's
just a nightmare to maintain not even worth it

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 9:46 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but will
> keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these
> days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.
>
> Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware.
> Looks good so far.
>
> On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw
>> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>>
>> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>>
>>
>>
> - Original Message -
>>
>> *From:* Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>
>>
>>
>> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you
>> may want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the
>> environment.
>>
>> Layne Sisk
>> ServerPlus
>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf
>> Of Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>
>> Gotcha.
>>
>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
>> > now.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> > -- Original Message --
>> > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>> >
>>
>> >> 11ac?
>> >>
>> >> Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Original Message --
>> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>> >>>
>> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
>> >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
>> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should
>> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do
>> >>>> you think?  Unifi?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---
>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> >>> http://www.avg.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Josh Reynolds]

Limit your datarates to 12Mb and above will shrink you cell size, but will
keep your data rates sane. There's a lot of cool tweaks in UniFi these
days. AirTime Fairness can help a lot as well.

Meshv3 is on the horizon as an in-place upgrade to the existing hardware.
Looks good so far.

On Aug 14, 2017 10:57 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw
> 18Mbps with 100 devices on 3 radios.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>
>
>
>
> on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
>
> I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>
>
> We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you
> may want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the
> environment.
>
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 801.426.8283, ext 102 <(801)%20426-8283>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf
> Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
> Gotcha.
>
> Adam Moffett wrote:
> > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
> > now.
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
> >
> >> 11ac?
> >>
> >> Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Original Message --
> >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
> >>>
> >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
> >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
> >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should
> >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do
> >>>> you think?  Unifi?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> >>> http://www.avg.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Rory Conaway]

We max out at 10Mbps.  In testing the Unifi mesh, we consistently saw 18Mbps 
with 100 devices on 3 radios.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 6:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times

- Original Message -
From: Layne Sisk<mailto:la...@serverplus.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may 
want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the environment.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

Gotcha.

Adam Moffett wrote:
> Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing
> now.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>> 11ac?
>>
>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
>>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>> To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need
>>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an
>>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should
>>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do
>>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

on average what speed service are you selling campgrounds?
I'm assuming 100-250 campers during peak times

  - Original Message - 
  From: Layne Sisk 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


  We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may 
want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the 
environment.  

  Layne Sisk
  ServerPlus
  801.426.8283, ext 102






  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

  Gotcha.

  Adam Moffett wrote:
  > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing 
  > now.
  >
  >
  > -- Original Message --
  > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
  >
  >> 11ac?
  >>
  >> Adam Moffett wrote:
  >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> -- Original Message --
  >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
  >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
  >>>
  >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
  >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
  >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
  >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
  >>>> you think?  Unifi?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> ---
  >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
  >>> http://www.avg.com
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

isn't the latest unifi line ac?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Weekley 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


  Gotcha.

  Adam Moffett wrote:
  > Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n
  > 802.11ac is totally a thing now.
  >
  >
  > -- Original Message --
  > From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
  >
  >> 11ac?
  >>
  >> Adam Moffett wrote:
  >>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> -- Original Message --
  >>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  >>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
  >>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
  >>>
  >>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
  >>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
  >>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
  >>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
  >>>> you think?  Unifi?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> ---
  >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
  >>> http://www.avg.com
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Rory Conaway]

My vote is on the new Ubiquiti mesh.  Cheap and it works solidly.  

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may 
want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the 
environment.  

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102




   

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

Gotcha.

Adam Moffett wrote:
> Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing 
> now.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>> 11ac?
>>
>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
>>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
>>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
>>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
>>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Layne Sisk]

We support several campgrounds and I know it is more expensive, but you may 
want to at least consider Rukus gear.  It seems quite stable in the 
environment.  

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102




   

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

Gotcha.

Adam Moffett wrote:
> Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n 802.11ac is totally a thing 
> now.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>
>> 11ac?
>>
>> Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi
>>>
>>>> We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
>>>> suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
>>>> omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
>>>> offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
>>>> you think?  Unifi?
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Jay Weekley]

Gotcha.

Adam Moffett wrote:

Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n
802.11ac is totally a thing now.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


11ac?

Adam Moffett wrote:

If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an 
omni to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should 
offer connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do 
you think?  Unifi?



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, Rockets and Nanobeams are 802.11n
802.11ac is totally a thing now.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:30:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi


11ac?

Adam Moffett wrote:

If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni 
to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should offer 
connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do you 
think?  Unifi?



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Dennis Burgess]

Personally, I would do WAPs at each locatin, you can use SXTs or nanobeams, 
depending on your speed requirements, AC would be required why I love WAPs.  
CAPSMAN at the main office and you are good :) Just my suggestion.

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need suggestions.  
Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni to a Nanobeam at each 
client access point.  I think we should offer connectivity to the campers in 
both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do you think?  
Unifi?

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Jay Weekley]

11ac?

Adam Moffett wrote:

If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni 
to a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should offer 
connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do you 
think?  Unifi?



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Re: [AFMUG] campground wifi

[Adam Moffett]

If you're building new, why not 11ac instead of 11n?


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/14/2017 2:27:50 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] campground wifi

We're looking to upgrade the WiFi at some campgrounds and need 
suggestions.  Right now I'm thinking about a 5 GHz Rocket on an omni to 
a Nanobeam at each client access point.  I think we should offer 
connectivity to the campers in both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  What do you think?  
Unifi?

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

We’ve done that before and gotten nowhere… I really believe it’s UBNT not 
playing well with high levels of RF from nearby buildings but haven’t 
personally looked at this very much.  There are other reasons that we may be 
looking at Cisco or other from a features perspective too 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will recommend 
you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down optimize your setup.

 

:)

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 

  _  

From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)  

 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
 It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day 
and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

 

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

 

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote:

Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your recommendations 
to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is the best way to market 
this type of service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate 
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher 
package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what 
mistakes did you make and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes 
in the past with other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not 
familiar with .

 

Craig

 

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

What’s a Sigma Cisco guru? ;)  

 

There’s also some enterprise features that I’m interested in specific to our 
needs that I don’t believe UniFi supports … always happy to hear feedback 
though 

 

-locate and mitigate rogue access points automatically

-reporting engine that can produce various usage reports (I know that’s vague 
but this is a public list)

-zero touch provisioning of AP’s (based on port and location)

-location tracking integration with security applications (again, high level on 
a public list)

 

I could go on … but in my mind it’s apples to oranges comparison.  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:57 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

My son and I installed hundreds of the Cisco latest APs at time last year and 
controllers along with Cisco Layer 3 switches for large school.district.   
Sigma Cisco gurus configured themand we tested them.  I know what Cisco AC 
units can do and I know what UniFi AC units can do.  Will stick with Ubiquiti.  
 

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org  wrote:

We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)  

 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
 It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day 
and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

 

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

 

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote:

Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your recommendations 
to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is the best way to market 
this type of service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate 
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher 
package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what 
mistakes did you make and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes 
in the past with other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not 
familiar with .

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Matt Hardy]

Hi Paul,
Let me know if you want to send a ticket number over and I'll have our guys
follow up and/or escalate if necessary.

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used
 Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and
 error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite
 compelling.  Always open to ideas …



 Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I
 don’t have the details as it’s handled by another group….



 Thanks,

 Paul





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco.



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 *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a
 plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem
 to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all …
 not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost
 but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
 AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
 easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
 security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
 Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
 cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a
 tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth
 available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about
 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X
 WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with
 their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to
 recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but
 the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here
 all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your
 recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is
 the best way to market this type of service?  Free for basic minimal
 speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything
 one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on the list tried
 this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you
 end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff.  I
 have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to 
be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve 
never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling.  Always open to 
ideas … 

 

Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t 
have the details as it’s handled by another group…. 

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)  

 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
 It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day 
and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

 

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

 

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote:

Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your recommendations 
to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is the best way to market 
this type of service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate 
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher 
package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what 
mistakes did you make and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes 
in the past with other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not 
familiar with .

Craig

 

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Rory Conaway]

Paul, the stuff you are describing is where Xirrus, Extreme, Firetide, Trango, 
Bel Air, and Ruckus play.  Meraki might be in that category but I’m not that 
familiar with them.  I can’t remember about the zero touch provision on 
wireless but on the security side, they have a lot more stuff than that also.  
If it’s psycho, protect from Chinese hackers stuff, talk to Extreme mostly 
because they also have an integrated back end with switches, management, etc, 
(formerly Enterasys).  In the real world at the professional level and 
high-density, high-interference, I’d use Ruckus or Xirrus.  Lower density, 
lower interference, I’d look at Ubiquiti.  The reality is that there is a 
reason you pay premium prices along with yearly fees on the equipment with 
Xirrus and Ruckus.  It’s kind of like comparing a Ferrari or Porsche to a 
Camaro, both will get you there but 100 years of racing experience means that 
every single detail on being first is built into every product.


Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

What’s a Sigma Cisco guru? ;)

There’s also some enterprise features that I’m interested in specific to our 
needs that I don’t believe UniFi supports … always happy to hear feedback though

-locate and mitigate rogue access points automatically
-reporting engine that can produce various usage reports (I know that’s vague 
but this is a public list)
-zero touch provisioning of AP’s (based on port and location)
-location tracking integration with security applications (again, high level on 
a public list)

I could go on … but in my mind it’s apples to oranges comparison.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:57 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI


My son and I installed hundreds of the Cisco latest APs at time last year and 
controllers along with Cisco Layer 3 switches for large school.district.   
Sigma Cisco gurus configured themand we tested them.  I know what Cisco AC 
units can do and I know what UniFi AC units can do.  Will stick with Ubiquiti.

Jaime Solorza
On May 26, 2015 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart 
p...@paulstewart.orgmailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
 It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day 
and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI


Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza
On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House 
cr...@totalhighspeed.netmailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:
Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your recommendations 
to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is the best way to market 
this type of service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate 
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher 
package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what 
mistakes did you make and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes 
in the past

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Mike Hammett]

I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. 

Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best 
of the best. 

UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive. 

Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing 
the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and 
Xirrus. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI 



Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to 
be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve 
never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling. Always open to 
ideas … 

Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t 
have the details as it’s handled by another group…. 

Thanks, 
Paul 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI 


Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -


From: Paul Stewart  p...@paulstewart.org  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI 
We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 
30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). 

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. 

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. 


From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI 

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day 
Jaime Solorza 

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House  cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote: 


Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to 
type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this 
type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they 
want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? 
Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did 
you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past 
with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with 
. 

Craig 

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Jaime Solorza]

Cisco trained wireless engineer with his Ccne and works for Sigma
Technologies

Jaime Solorza
On May 27, 2015 1:36 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 As Mike said… the IBM strategy.  The old world thinking was no one ever
 got fired for buying IBM.  No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco.  Those
 certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools…
 you buy what you know.



 Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco.  I
 pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much
 Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the
 business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more
 Ubiquiti.



 Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best
 fit for every situation (even though it may work).



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Very well said .. I like your summary ….



 The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m
 at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to
 see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus
 and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff
 deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the
 Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road
 doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one
 was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are
 champions of the Wifi Space.



 I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of
 them make high-end and low-end stuff as well.



 The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of
 them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used,
 the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and
 parameters.



 The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can
 say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream
 Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature
 built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a
 combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty
 much any configuration, combination you like



 Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very
 much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to
 accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular
 feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using,
 because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features.



 Regards.



 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232



 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


 --

 *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy.



 Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very
 best of the best.



 UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less
 expensive.



 Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people
 playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of
 UniFi and Xirrus.







 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 --

 *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used
 Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and
 error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite
 compelling.  Always open to ideas …



 Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I
 don’t have the details as it’s handled by another group….



 Thanks,

 Paul





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco.





 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Josh Luthman]

Pricing sheet I found online...
http://www.peppm.org/Products/xirrus/price.pdf


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
wrote:

 FWIW.

 They aren’t as good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but
 with the right antennas, they can dominate an area.

 They do have 802.11ac radios pricey they are ! .
 http://www.xirrus.com/product-comparison/

 As for outdoors, they take a different approach, while you can add
 antennas, they have an outdoor case that allows for mounting these large
 pucks 

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:43:04 AM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 I know Xirrus better than I know Ruckus but Ruckus is pretty much the
 standard for large scale, professional deployments nowadays.  Their tools
 are outstanding, their radios are capable of handling up to a couple
 thousand users simultaneously, and their firmware/management tools are
 excellent, including their security features.



 Xirrus isn’t as big a player outdoor but the granularity of their
 firmware/management tools is amazing.  They have Procera firmware built
 into every AP and every AP is essentially a controller by itself.  They
 aren’t as good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but with the
 right antennas, they can dominate an area.  They can even do things like
 turn off beaconing for 802.11b at 1, 2, and 5Mbps but leave it on for
 11Mbps.  Ruckus is easier to install with integrated outdoor units but
 Xirrus is the next level up.  Indoor, Xirrus has no equal.



 Rory





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:34 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Very well said .. I like your summary ….



 The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m
 at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to
 see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus
 and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff
 deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the
 Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road
 doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one
 was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are
 champions of the Wifi Space.



 I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of
 them make high-end and low-end stuff as well.



 The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of
 them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used,
 the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and
 parameters.



 The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can
 say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream
 Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature
 built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a
 combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty
 much any configuration, combination you like



 Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very
 much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to
 accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular
 feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using,
 because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features.



 Regards.



 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232



 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


 --

 *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy.



 Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very
 best of the best.



 UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less
 expensive.



 Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people
 playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of
 UniFi and Xirrus

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

I’ll mention it to some folks internally .. thanks….

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Hi Paul - 

 

I think it would make a lot of sense to push this through support.  If you can 
send a ticket # we can review.  They can login and check out settings, etc...

 

Thanks,

Ben

 

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org  wrote:

We’ve done that before and gotten nowhere… I really believe it’s UBNT not 
playing well with high levels of RF from nearby buildings but haven’t 
personally looked at this very much.  There are other reasons that we may be 
looking at Cisco or other from a features perspective too 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will recommend 
you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down optimize your setup.

 

:)

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 tel:%28305%29663-5518  Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


  _  


From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)  

 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
 It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day 
and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

 

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

 

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote:

Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your recommendations 
to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is the best way to market 
this type of service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate 
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher 
package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what 
mistakes did you make and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes 
in the past with other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not 
familiar with .

 

Craig

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

Ahhh.. that makes more sense…

 

I thought it was someone Sigma Blackbelt certified installing wireless ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Cisco trained wireless engineer with his Ccne and works for Sigma Technologies

Jaime Solorza

On May 27, 2015 1:36 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com  wrote:

As Mike said… the IBM strategy.  The old world thinking was no one ever got 
fired for buying IBM.  No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco.  Those 
certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you 
buy what you know.

 

Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco.  I pay 
attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus 
(I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business 
model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti.

 

Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for 
every situation (even though it may work).

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Very well said .. I like your summary ….

 

The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m at a 
sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see 
what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus and 
Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff 
deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the 
Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t 
mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to 
describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are champions of 
the Wifi Space. 

 

I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them 
make high-end and low-end stuff as well. 

 

The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) 
Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the 
Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters.

 

The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say 
is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio 
Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built 
in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination 
of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any 
configuration, combination you like 

 

Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much 
possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish 
similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you 
have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi 
radios don't support all the features.

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 tel:%28305%29663-5518  Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


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From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy.

 

Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best 
of the best.

 

UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive.

 

Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing 
the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and 
Xirrus.

 

 

 

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 


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From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to 
be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve 
never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling.  Always open to 
ideas … 

 

Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Ben Moore]

Sounds good!

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 I’ll mention it to some folks internally .. thanks….



 Paul





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:11 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Hi Paul -



 I think it would make a lot of sense to push this through support.  If you
 can send a ticket # we can review.  They can login and check out settings,
 etc...



 Thanks,

 Ben



 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 wrote:

 We’ve done that before and gotten nowhere… I really believe it’s UBNT not
 playing well with high levels of RF from nearby buildings but haven’t
 personally looked at this very much.  There are other reasons that we may
 be looking at Cisco or other from a features perspective too



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:21 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will
 recommend you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down
 optimize your setup.



 :)



 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232



 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


 --

 *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a
 plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem
 to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all …
 not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost
 but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
 AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
 easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
 security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
 Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
 cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a
 tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth
 available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about
 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X
 WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with
 their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to
 recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but
 the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here
 all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your
 recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is
 the best way to market this type of service?  Free for basic minimal
 speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything
 one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on the list tried
 this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you
 end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff.  I
 have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with .



 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Caleb Knauer]

You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford
Aruba ;-)

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well J



 My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some
 stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network
 side of things).  There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear
 out there – just a speculative guess.  When it comes to major players, many
 of these names don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in.



 It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never
 seen it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and
 websites say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems.
 Compare that to Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place
 in my travels.  Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all
 locations were Cisco.  Went to a couple of ball games – all Cisco.  Visited
 several customer sites late last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper
 at one of them.  Checked into various hotels and Aruba was being used.



 This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if
 we get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks
 we have limited time to spend testing stuff.  I know that we can drop Cisco
 into place and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort.



 Paul







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 As Mike said… the IBM strategy.  The old world thinking was no one ever
 got fired for buying IBM.  No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco.  Those
 certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools…
 you buy what you know.



 Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco.  I
 pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much
 Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the
 business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more
 Ubiquiti.



 Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best
 fit for every situation (even though it may work).



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Very well said .. I like your summary ….



 The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m
 at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to
 see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus
 and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff
 deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the
 Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road
 doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one
 was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are
 champions of the Wifi Space.



 I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of
 them make high-end and low-end stuff as well.



 The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of
 them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used,
 the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and
 parameters.



 The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can
 say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream
 Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature
 built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a
 combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty
 much any configuration, combination you like



 Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very
 much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to
 accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular
 feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using,
 because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features.



 Regards.



 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232



 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


 --

 *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

Thanks Rory – appreciate the input… 

 

The security side isn’t “Chinese Hacker” oriented – it’s more about staff 
access controls and integration with existing systems.   The integration with 
switches/management etc is an area that Cisco also shines in, especially when 
the existing LAN infrastructure is already Cisco.

 

This isn’t a high priority project and I certainly got a lot more feedback than 
I anticipated – all good though :)

 

When I get some time I’ll read up on some of these other players … I’ve never 
seen any of them deployed anywhere I’ve gone (and I get around lol) … also 
never heard of half of them so this is quite interesting.

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Paul, the stuff you are describing is where Xirrus, Extreme, Firetide, Trango, 
Bel Air, and Ruckus play.  Meraki might be in that category but I’m not that 
familiar with them.  I can’t remember about the zero touch provision on 
wireless but on the security side, they have a lot more stuff than that also.  
If it’s psycho, protect from Chinese hackers stuff, talk to Extreme mostly 
because they also have an integrated back end with switches, management, etc, 
(formerly Enterasys).  In the real world at the professional level and 
high-density, high-interference, I’d use Ruckus or Xirrus.  Lower density, 
lower interference, I’d look at Ubiquiti.  The reality is that there is a 
reason you pay premium prices along with yearly fees on the equipment with 
Xirrus and Ruckus.  It’s kind of like comparing a Ferrari or Porsche to a 
Camaro, both will get you there but 100 years of racing experience means that 
every single detail on being first is built into every product.  

 

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

What’s a Sigma Cisco guru? ;)  

 

There’s also some enterprise features that I’m interested in specific to our 
needs that I don’t believe UniFi supports … always happy to hear feedback 
though 

 

-locate and mitigate rogue access points automatically

-reporting engine that can produce various usage reports (I know that’s vague 
but this is a public list)

-zero touch provisioning of AP’s (based on port and location)

-location tracking integration with security applications (again, high level on 
a public list)

 

I could go on … but in my mind it’s apples to oranges comparison.  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:57 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

My son and I installed hundreds of the Cisco latest APs at time last year and 
controllers along with Cisco Layer 3 switches for large school.district.   
Sigma Cisco gurus configured themand we tested them.  I know what Cisco AC 
units can do and I know what UniFi AC units can do.  Will stick with Ubiquiti.  
 

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org  wrote:

We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)  

 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
 It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day 
and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

 

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

 

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote:

Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Rory Conaway]

I know Xirrus better than I know Ruckus but Ruckus is pretty much the standard 
for large scale, professional deployments nowadays.  Their tools are 
outstanding, their radios are capable of handling up to a couple thousand users 
simultaneously, and their firmware/management tools are excellent, including 
their security features.

Xirrus isn’t as big a player outdoor but the granularity of their 
firmware/management tools is amazing.  They have Procera firmware built into 
every AP and every AP is essentially a controller by itself.  They aren’t as 
good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but with the right antennas, 
they can dominate an area.  They can even do things like turn off beaconing for 
802.11b at 1, 2, and 5Mbps but leave it on for 11Mbps.  Ruckus is easier to 
install with integrated outdoor units but Xirrus is the next level up.  Indoor, 
Xirrus has no equal.

Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

Very well said .. I like your summary ….

The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m at a 
sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see 
what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus and 
Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff 
deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the 
Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t 
mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to 
describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are champions of 
the Wifi Space.

I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them 
make high-end and low-end stuff as well.

The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) 
Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the 
Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters.

The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say 
is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio 
Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built 
in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination 
of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any 
configuration, combination you like

Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much 
possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish 
similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you 
have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi 
radios don't support all the features.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.netmailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy.

Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best 
of the best.

UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive.

Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing 
the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and 
Xirrus.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.orgmailto:p...@paulstewart.org
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to 
be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve 
never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling.  Always open to 
ideas …

Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t 
have the details as it’s handled by another group….

Thanks,
Paul


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

Very well said .. I like your summary ….

 

The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m at a 
sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see 
what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus and 
Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff 
deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the 
Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t 
mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to 
describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are champions of 
the Wifi Space. 

 

I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them 
make high-end and low-end stuff as well. 

 

The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) 
Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the 
Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters.

 

The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say 
is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio 
Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built 
in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination 
of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any 
configuration, combination you like 

 

Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much 
possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish 
similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you 
have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi 
radios don't support all the features.

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 

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From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy.

 

Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best 
of the best.

 

UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive.

 

Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing 
the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and 
Xirrus.

 

 

 

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 


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From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to 
be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve 
never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling.  Always open to 
ideas … 

 

Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t 
have the details as it’s handled by another group…. 

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco.





 

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From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite a  

 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
 It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day 
and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

 

Also found

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Faisal Imtiaz]

FWIW. 

 They aren’t as good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but with 
 the right antennas, they can dominate an area. 

They do have 802.11ac radios pricey they are ! . 
http://www.xirrus.com/product-comparison/ 

As for outdoors, they take a different approach, while you can add antennas, 
they have an outdoor case that allows for mounting these large pucks  

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet  Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

 From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:43:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 I know Xirrus better than I know Ruckus but Ruckus is pretty much the
 standard for large scale, professional deployments nowadays. Their tools are
 outstanding, their radios are capable of handling up to a couple thousand
 users simultaneously, and their firmware/management tools are excellent,
 including their security features.

 Xirrus isn’t as big a player outdoor but the granularity of their
 firmware/management tools is amazing. They have Procera firmware built into
 every AP and every AP is essentially a controller by itself. They aren’t as
 good outdoor since they don’t have 802.11ac yet but with the right antennas,
 they can dominate an area. They can even do things like turn off beaconing
 for 802.11b at 1, 2, and 5Mbps but leave it on for 11Mbps. Ruckus is easier
 to install with integrated outdoor units but Xirrus is the next level up.
 Indoor, Xirrus has no equal.

 Rory

 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:34 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 Very well said .. I like your summary ….

 The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at
 a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see
 what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and
 Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff
 deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the
 Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road
 doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.

 From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was
 to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are
 champions of the Wifi Space.

 I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of
 them make high-end and low-end stuff as well.

 The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them)
 Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the
 Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and
 parameters.

 The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can
 say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream
 Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature
 built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a
 combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much
 any configuration, combination you like

 Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much
 possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to
 accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular
 feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because
 all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features.

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net 
 
  To: af@afmug.com
 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM
 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
 

  I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy.
 

  Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very
  best
  of the best.
 

  UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less
  expensive.
 

  Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people
  playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of
  UniFi and Xirrus.
 

  -
 
  Mike Hammett
 
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
 
  http://www.ics-il.com
 

  From: Paul Stewart  p...@paulstewart.org 
 
  To: af@afmug.com
 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 27 , 2015 7:22:37 AM
 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
 

  Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus
  to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Ben Moore]

Hi Paul -

I think it would make a lot of sense to push this through support.  If you
can send a ticket # we can review.  They can login and check out settings,
etc...

Thanks,
Ben

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 We’ve done that before and gotten nowhere… I really believe it’s UBNT not
 playing well with high levels of RF from nearby buildings but haven’t
 personally looked at this very much.  There are other reasons that we may
 be looking at Cisco or other from a features perspective too



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:21 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will
 recommend you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down
 optimize your setup.



 :)



 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232



 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


 --

 *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a
 plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem
 to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all …
 not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost
 but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
 AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
 easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
 security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
 Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
 cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a
 tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth
 available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about
 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X
 WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with
 their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to
 recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but
 the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here
 all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your
 recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is
 the best way to market this type of service?  Free for basic minimal
 speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything
 one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on the list tried
 this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you
 end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff.  I
 have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with .



 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Daniel White]

As Mike said… the IBM strategy.  The old world thinking was no one ever got 
fired for buying IBM.  No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco.  Those 
certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you 
buy what you know.



Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco.  I pay 
attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus 
(I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business 
model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti.



Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for 
every situation (even though it may work).



Daniel White

(303) 746-3590



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



Very well said .. I like your summary ….



The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m at a 
sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see 
what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus and 
Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff 
deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the 
Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t 
mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to 
describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are champions of 
the Wifi Space.



I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them 
make high-end and low-end stuff as well.



The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) 
Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the 
Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters.



The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say 
is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio 
Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built 
in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination 
of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any 
configuration, combination you like



Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much 
possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish 
similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you 
have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi 
radios don't support all the features.



Regards.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232



Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net



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From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy.



Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best 
of the best.



UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive.



Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing 
the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and 
Xirrus.







-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




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From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to 
be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve 
never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling.  Always open to 
ideas …



Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t 
have the details as it’s handled by another group….



Thanks,

Paul





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco.





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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

Depends on where I am ;)  Intercontinental, Holiday Inn typically….

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford Aruba 
;-) 

 

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org  wrote:

For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well :)

 

My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some 
stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network side of 
things).  There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear out there – 
just a speculative guess.  When it comes to major players, many of these names 
don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in.

 

It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never seen 
it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and websites 
say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems.  Compare that to 
Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place in my travels.  
Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all locations were Cisco.  Went 
to a couple of ball games – all Cisco.  Visited several customer sites late 
last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper at one of them.  Checked into 
various hotels and Aruba was being used.

 

This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if we 
get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks we have 
limited time to spend testing stuff.  I know that we can drop Cisco into place 
and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort.

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

As Mike said… the IBM strategy.  The old world thinking was no one ever got 
fired for buying IBM.  No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco.  Those 
certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you 
buy what you know.

 

Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco.  I pay 
attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus 
(I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business 
model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti.

 

Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for 
every situation (even though it may work).

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM


To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Very well said .. I like your summary ….

 

The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m at a 
sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see 
what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus and 
Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff 
deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the 
Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t 
mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to 
describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are champions of 
the Wifi Space. 

 

I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them 
make high-end and low-end stuff as well. 

 

The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) 
Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the 
Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters.

 

The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say 
is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio 
Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built 
in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination 
of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any 
configuration, combination you like 

 

Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much 
possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish 
similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you 
have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi 
radios don't support all

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

Yes and that’s quite impressive that they got the deals … but if you were there 
and used the wifi you wouldn’t feel the same – it sucked.  But Ruckus might be 
getting the short end of the stick on that as so did cellular and everything 
else there (Brazil in particular).

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

I think Ruckus was used exclusively in the stadiums for the world cup. 

 

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org  wrote:

Depends on where I am ;)  Intercontinental, Holiday Inn typically….

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:42 PM


To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford Aruba 
;-) 

 

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org  wrote:

For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well :)

 

My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some 
stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network side of 
things).  There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear out there – 
just a speculative guess.  When it comes to major players, many of these names 
don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in.

 

It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never seen 
it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and websites 
say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems.  Compare that to 
Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place in my travels.  
Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all locations were Cisco.  Went 
to a couple of ball games – all Cisco.  Visited several customer sites late 
last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper at one of them.  Checked into 
various hotels and Aruba was being used.

 

This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if we 
get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks we have 
limited time to spend testing stuff.  I know that we can drop Cisco into place 
and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort.

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

As Mike said… the IBM strategy.  The old world thinking was no one ever got 
fired for buying IBM.  No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco.  Those 
certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you 
buy what you know.

 

Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco.  I pay 
attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus 
(I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business 
model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti.

 

Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for 
every situation (even though it may work).

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM


To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Very well said .. I like your summary ….

 

The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m at a 
sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see 
what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus and 
Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff 
deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the 
Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t 
mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to 
describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are champions of 
the Wifi Space. 

 

I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them 
make high-end and low-end stuff as well. 

 

The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) 
Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the 
Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters.

 

The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say 
is WOW !, if you

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Cameron Crum]

I think Ruckus was used exclusively in the stadiums for the world cup.

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Depends on where I am ;)  Intercontinental, Holiday Inn typically….



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Caleb Knauer
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:42 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford
 Aruba ;-)



 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 wrote:

 For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well J



 My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some
 stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network
 side of things).  There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear
 out there – just a speculative guess.  When it comes to major players, many
 of these names don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in.



 It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never
 seen it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and
 websites say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems.
 Compare that to Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place
 in my travels.  Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all
 locations were Cisco.  Went to a couple of ball games – all Cisco.  Visited
 several customer sites late last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper
 at one of them.  Checked into various hotels and Aruba was being used.



 This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if
 we get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks
 we have limited time to spend testing stuff.  I know that we can drop Cisco
 into place and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort.



 Paul







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 As Mike said… the IBM strategy.  The old world thinking was no one ever
 got fired for buying IBM.  No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco.  Those
 certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools…
 you buy what you know.



 Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco.  I
 pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much
 Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the
 business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more
 Ubiquiti.



 Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best
 fit for every situation (even though it may work).



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM


 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Very well said .. I like your summary ….



 The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m
 at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to
 see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus
 and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff
 deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the
 Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road
 doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one
 was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are
 champions of the Wifi Space.



 I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of
 them make high-end and low-end stuff as well.



 The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of
 them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used,
 the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and
 parameters.



 The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can
 say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream
 Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature
 built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a
 combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty
 much any configuration, combination you like



 Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very
 much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to
 accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular
 feature set, you have to pay

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Ken Hohhof]

I was looking at Ruckus but the price is definitely for someone else’s budget.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)  

 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
 It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day 
and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

 

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

 

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

  Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your recommendations 
to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is the best way to market 
this type of service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate 
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher 
package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what 
mistakes did you make and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes 
in the past with other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not 
familiar with .

  Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Josh Luthman]

You can use Unifi radios on whatever antenna you want (it is a Rocket after
all) to use the Unifi software/management.

There is no such thing as M2 AC.  802.11ac doesn't even have 2.4 GHz rules.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
wrote:

 I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity.  I think most of the
 campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to
 upload their float trip and camping pics to FB.  I can envision though
 rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix.  So I am
 thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic
 price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher price.  I dont
 want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my fees with credit card
 charges and processing fees.  I am thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate
 or even a weekly rate for each package. Maybe there are campers that come
 every weekend or a couple of times a month and I could offer a seasonal
 rate even.  But I guess I am mainly wanting to know about equipment.  M2
 with a 120 sector?  What kind of number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable
 for the AP to handle well?  What about M2 AC Rocket?

 Craig


 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

  I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county
 park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year.

 Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5
 Locos?  I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything,
 coverage is more important than raw capacity.


  *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI


 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
 AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
 easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
 security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
 Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
 cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza
 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as
 a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Josh Reynolds]

Use the UniFi+'s with AirPrism (although it's called Mult-Lane RF in 
those products, but it should be the same damn thing).


We have multiple campgrounds we cover with those and the large sectors, 
just set to the lowest output power possible. Works great, even for RVs. 
Just make sure to cover all of your angles.


Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/26/2015 05:38 PM, Craig House wrote:
I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity.  I think most of 
the campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able 
to upload their float trip and camping pics to FB.  I can envision 
though rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. 
 So I am thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a 
very basic price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher 
price.  I dont want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my 
fees with credit card charges and processing fees.  I am thinking a 
daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each package. 
Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a 
month and I could offer a seasonal rate even.  But I guess I am mainly 
wanting to know about equipment.  M2 with a 120 sector?  What kind of 
number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? 
 What about M2 AC Rocket?


Craig



*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county 
park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year.
Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 
Locos?  I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, 
coverage is more important than raw capacity.

*From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM
*To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with 
Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance 
much better and easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at 
customers tables and security knows where they are at all times.  Used 
at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed 
two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association.  Not one 
call...ave 75 to 150 users a day


Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:


Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are
using as a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have
500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area
is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we
want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a
billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and
I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the
campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential
here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for
such a setup.   What is the best way to market this type of
service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and
one higher package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a
campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you
end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other
stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar
with .

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Jaime Solorza]

My son and I installed hundreds of the Cisco latest APs at time last year
and controllers along with Cisco Layer 3 switches for large
school.district.   Sigma Cisco gurus configured themand we tested
them.  I know what Cisco AC units can do and I know what UniFi AC units can
do.  Will stick with Ubiquiti.

Jaime Solorza
On May 26, 2015 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a
 plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem
 to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all …
 not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost
 but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
 AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
 easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
 security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
 Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
 cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a
 tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth
 available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about
 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X
 WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with
 their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to
 recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but
 the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here
 all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your
 recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is
 the best way to market this type of service?  Free for basic minimal
 speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything
 one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on the list tried
 this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you
 end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff.  I
 have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Jaime Solorza]

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza
On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a
 tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth
 available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about
 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X
 WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with
 their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to
 recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but
 the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here
 all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your
 recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is
 the best way to market this type of service?  Free for basic minimal
 speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything
 one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on the list tried
 this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you
 end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff.  I
 have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Paul Stewart]

We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)  

 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
 It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day 
and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

 

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

 

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote:

Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your recommendations 
to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is the best way to market 
this type of service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate 
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher 
package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what 
mistakes did you make and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes 
in the past with other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not 
familiar with .

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Josh Luthman]

Covering campers suck with omnis.  Laptop's signals suck, the other devices
are worse.  I'd suggest a modest sector to start.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 26, 2015 9:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county
 park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year.

 Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5
 Locos?  I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything,
 coverage is more important than raw capacity.


  *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI


 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
 AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
 easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
 security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
 Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
 cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza
 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as
 a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where 
we did a temporary setup last year.

Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos?  
I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more 
important than raw capacity.


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

  Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your recommendations 
to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is the best way to market 
this type of service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate 
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher 
package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what 
mistakes did you make and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes 
in the past with other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not 
familiar with .

  Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Josh Luthman]

Ooo very nice


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Luckily this is tent camping, mostly.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:28 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI


 Covering campers suck with omnis.  Laptop's signals suck, the other
 devices are worse.  I'd suggest a modest sector to start.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On May 26, 2015 9:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county
 park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year.

 Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5
 Locos?  I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything,
 coverage is more important than raw capacity.


  *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI


 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
 AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
 easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
 security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
 Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
 cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza
 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as
 a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Faisal Imtiaz]

That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will recommend 
you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down optimize your 
setup. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet  Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

 From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a
 plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)

 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to
 deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails
 pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time
 despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during
 the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).

 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not
 even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the
 latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but
 for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability.

 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
 Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC
 Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to
 manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security
 knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro
 Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle
 association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House  cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote:
  Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a
  tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth
  available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about
  1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X
  WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with
  their
  equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate
  the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the
  campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all
  be it seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your
  recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the
  best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds?
  then
  sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower
  package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a
  campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up
  using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have
  learned
  to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with .
 

  Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Josh Luthman]

The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the
same as the M5-620.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Matt and team are working on this now.  Plan is to have lower bands opened
 first prior to DFS approvals coming through.

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 The big one!!!

 [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT

 And of course we all want to know about DFS...

 [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 I am just getting caught up on list emails.  What other questions were
 there today?

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few
 units worth of sales...?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Hi Paul -

 Would be interested to look into this more.  Have you worked with
 support at all on this?

 Thanks,
 Ben

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 wrote:

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working
 on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t
 seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to 
 a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of 
 the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 
 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all
 … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in
 cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with
 Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much
 better and easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at 
 customers
 tables and security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both
 Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi
 APs months ago for cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 
 users
 a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using
 as a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 
 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment 
 but I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone 
 on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past 
 with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar 
 with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Ken Hohhof]

Luckily this is tent camping, mostly.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

Covering campers suck with omnis.  Laptop's signals suck, the other devices are 
worse.  I'd suggest a modest sector to start.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 26, 2015 9:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground 
where we did a temporary setup last year.

  Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos?  
I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more 
important than raw capacity.


  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

  Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

  Jaime Solorza

  On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your recommendations 
to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is the best way to market 
this type of service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate 
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher 
package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what 
mistakes did you make and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes 
in the past with other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not 
familiar with .

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Josh Luthman]

The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few
units worth of sales...?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Hi Paul -

 Would be interested to look into this more.  Have you worked with support
 at all on this?

 Thanks,
 Ben

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 wrote:

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a
 plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem
 to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all …
 not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost
 but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
 AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
 easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
 security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
 Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
 cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as
 a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Ben Moore]

Hi Paul -

Would be interested to look into this more.  Have you worked with support
at all on this?

Thanks,
Ben

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a
 plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem
 to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all …
 not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost
 but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti
 AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much better and
 easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and
 security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both Speaking Rock and
 Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for
 cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a
 tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth
 available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres and about
 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X
 WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with
 their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to
 recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but
 the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here
 all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?  What are your
 recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup.   What is
 the best way to market this type of service?  Free for basic minimal
 speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything
 one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on the list tried
 this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you
 end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff.  I
 have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Mathew Howard]

and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still
pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this point.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the
 same as the M5-620.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Matt and team are working on this now.  Plan is to have lower bands
 opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through.

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 The big one!!!

 [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT

 And of course we all want to know about DFS...

 [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 I am just getting caught up on list emails.  What other questions were
 there today?

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few
 units worth of sales...?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 wrote:

 Hi Paul -

 Would be interested to look into this more.  Have you worked with
 support at all on this?

 Thanks,
 Ben

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 wrote:

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working
 on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t
 seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down 
 to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of 
 the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 
 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at
 all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it..
 I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in
 cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime
 Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with
 Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much
 better and easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at 
 customers
 tables and security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both
 Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi
 APs months ago for cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 
 users
 a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are
 using as a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ 
 MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 
 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment 
 but I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course 
 of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone 
 on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past 
 with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar 
 with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Ben Moore]

Yes, M5-400 will get lower bands first as well (also approved).   Yes, 620
is same feed.

Thanks,
Ben

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still
 pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this point.

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the
 same as the M5-620.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Matt and team are working on this now.  Plan is to have lower bands
 opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through.

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 The big one!!!

 [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT

 And of course we all want to know about DFS...

 [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 I am just getting caught up on list emails.  What other questions were
 there today?

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a
 few units worth of sales...?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 wrote:

 Hi Paul -

 Would be interested to look into this more.  Have you worked with
 support at all on this?

 Thanks,
 Ben

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 wrote:

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks …
 working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t
 seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down 
 to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of 
 the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 
 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at
 all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of 
 it..
 I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in
 cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime
 Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with
 Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much
 better and easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at 
 customers
 tables and security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both
 Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC 
 UniFi
 APs months ago for cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 
 users
 a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are
 using as a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ 
 MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 
 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment 
 but I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course 
 of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot 
 of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good 
 stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has 
 anyone on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you 
 make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past 
 with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar 
 with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Craig House]

I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity. I think most of the 
campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to upload 
their float trip and camping pics to FB. I can envision though rainy days where 
the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. So I am thinking offering a 
basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic price and then a Netflix / 
streaming package at a higher price. I dont want to do it by the hour because 
they will eat up my fees with credit card charges and processing fees. I am 
thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each 
package. Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a 
month and I could offer a seasonal rate even. But I guess I am mainly wanting 
to know about equipment. M2 with a 120 sector? What kind of number of subs per 
M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? What about M2 AC Rocket? 

Craig 


- Original Message -

From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI 

I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where 
we did a temporary setup last year. 
Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m 
not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more 
important than raw capacity. 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI 


Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day 

Jaime Solorza 
On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House  cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote: 


Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to 
type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this 
type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they 
want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? 
Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did 
you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past 
with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with 
. 

Craig 

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Mike Hammett]

Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI 



We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan 
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) 

When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to 
deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. 
It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite 
traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 
30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). 

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not 
even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the 
latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. 

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for 
our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI 

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC 
Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to 
manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security 
knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro 
Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle 
association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day 
Jaime Solorza 

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House  cr...@totalhighspeed.net  wrote: 


Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a 
tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth 
available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 
of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI 
service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their 
equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the 
wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground 
owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it 
seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to 
type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this 
type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they 
want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? 
Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did 
you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past 
with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with 
. 

Craig 

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Ben Moore]

Matt and team are working on this now.  Plan is to have lower bands opened
first prior to DFS approvals coming through.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 The big one!!!

 [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT

 And of course we all want to know about DFS...

 [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 I am just getting caught up on list emails.  What other questions were
 there today?

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few
 units worth of sales...?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Hi Paul -

 Would be interested to look into this more.  Have you worked with
 support at all on this?

 Thanks,
 Ben

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 wrote:

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working
 on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t
 seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all
 … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in
 cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with
 Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much
 better and easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at 
 customers
 tables and security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both
 Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi
 APs months ago for cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users
 a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using
 as a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but 
 I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar 
 with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Ben Moore]

Separate list? ;)

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 The big one!!!

 [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT

 And of course we all want to know about DFS...

 [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 I am just getting caught up on list emails.  What other questions were
 there today?

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few
 units worth of sales...?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Hi Paul -

 Would be interested to look into this more.  Have you worked with
 support at all on this?

 Thanks,
 Ben

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 wrote:

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working
 on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t
 seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all
 … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in
 cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with
 Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much
 better and easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at 
 customers
 tables and security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both
 Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi
 APs months ago for cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users
 a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using
 as a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but 
 I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar 
 with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Josh Luthman]

The big one!!!

[Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT

And of course we all want to know about DFS...

[Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 I am just getting caught up on list emails.  What other questions were
 there today?

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few
 units worth of sales...?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

 Hi Paul -

 Would be interested to look into this more.  Have you worked with
 support at all on this?

 Thanks,
 Ben

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 wrote:

 We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on
 a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;)



 When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t
 seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a
 snails pace.  It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the
 time despite traffic prioritization.  I’d take a guess at around 120 users
 during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7).



 Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all …
 not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve
 read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though….



 I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost
 but for our application, cost is secondary compared to
 performance/stability.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with
 Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance much
 better and easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at customers
 tables and security knows where they are at all times.  Used at both
 Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi
 APs months ago for cattle association.  Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users
 a day

 Jaime Solorza

 On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 wrote:

 Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using
 as a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of
 bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area is about 110 acres
 and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide
 paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a billing platform that I think
 integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I
 dont want to recreate the wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of
 business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of
 potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
 What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a
 setup.   What is the best way to market this type of service?  Free for
 basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it.  Or Just
 bill for anything one lower package and one higher package?  Has anyone on
 the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make
 and what did you end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with
 other stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with
 .

 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Josh Reynolds]

The PBEM5 feed is on the UNII-1 list as approved right now...

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/26/2015 06:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still 
pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this 
point.


On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400
is the same as the M5-620.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

Matt and team are working on this now.  Plan is to have lower
bands opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

The big one!!!

[Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT

And of course we all want to know about DFS...

[Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore
ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

I am just getting caught up on list emails.  What
other questions were there today?

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

The only post you respond to today is the one
where you can make a few units worth of sales...?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore
ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
wrote:

Hi Paul -

Would be interested to look into this more. 
Have you worked with support at all on this?


Thanks,
Ben

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart
p...@paulstewart.org
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

We have Unifi (non AC) version in our
offices and it sucks … working on a plan
to migrate to Cisco probably – complete
opposite ;)

When the system is working well, it’s not
bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal
with outside interference very well and
often slows down to a snails pace. It also
doesn’t handle video and voice very well
most of the time despite traffic
prioritization. I’d take a guess at around
120 users during the day and 30-40 users
off hours (we run 24X7).

Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle
AP handoff very well at all … not even
sure if it’s supported in the specs come
to think of it.. I’ve read the latest
generation has “seamless handoff’ though….

I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s
definitely quite a bit more in cost but
for our application, cost is secondary
compared to performance/stability.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco
gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual
Band UniFi and software. Speeds and
performance much better and easy to
manage.  The casino waitresses love

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Trey Scarborough]

I would check out GoNet If you really want to get a large coverage. They 
are probably on the scale of a ruckus unit, but actually do beamforming 
and are specifically made for outdoor access. It is pretty pricy per 
unit , but they tend to cover a much greater area and are not as 
susceptible to noise.


http://www.gonetworks.com/


On 5/26/2015 8:38 PM, Craig House wrote:
I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity.  I think most of 
the campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able 
to upload their float trip and camping pics to FB.  I can envision 
though rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. 
 So I am thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a 
very basic price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher 
price.  I dont want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my 
fees with credit card charges and processing fees.  I am thinking a 
daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each package. 
Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a 
month and I could offer a seasonal rate even.  But I guess I am mainly 
wanting to know about equipment.  M2 with a 120 sector?  What kind of 
number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? 
 What about M2 AC Rocket?


Craig



*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county 
park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year.
Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 
Locos?  I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, 
coverage is more important than raw capacity.

*From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM
*To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with 
Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software.   Speeds and performance 
much better and easy to manage.  The casino waitresses love the pos at 
customers tables and security knows where they are at all times.  Used 
at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed 
two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association.  Not one 
call...ave 75 to 150 users a day


Jaime Solorza

On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:


Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are
using as a tower site.  Using Mimosa links to the tower and have
500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower.  The campground area
is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we
want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service.  UBNT has a
billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and
I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the
wheel here.  This is not in my normal course of business but the
campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential
here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff?
What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for
such a setup.   What is the best way to market this type of
service?  Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate
if they want it.  Or Just bill for anything one lower package and
one higher package?  Has anyone on the list tried this at a
campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you
end up using?   Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other
stuff.  I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar
with .

Craig