date:20180515

Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top it's 24v.
I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up the tower for my DC.
I think the center conductor was 8mm.

If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24 gauge, it's
more like 26.83v at the top.  I'm not losing that ~0.6v.

I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
> modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
>> dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
>>> run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
 See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
 n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944

 You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
 more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.

 For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
 supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure other
 copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
 internal temperature of the radio.

 One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
 that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
 bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the semiconductor
 switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
 quickly enough to do sync over power.





 On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for
> the two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>
> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
> injector, forgot to mention that.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
>> first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
>> definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed up.
>>
>> Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too. It
>> works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs. 
>> Still
>> works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down that low.
>> Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really didn't
>> want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely unsupported.
>>
>>
>> On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>>> I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site surveys with
>>> the old PMP100. I'm pretty sure they would function in the 8-10V region.
>>>
>>> I know nothing about the ePMP radios. Trust George.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 5/6/2018 2:33 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
 Original 5GHz integrated and connectorized are 14-30VDC, -4/5 +7/8
 only.

>>>
>>>
>>
>


 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

2018-05-15 Thread Adam Moffett

The load limits on "least expensive" are pretty crippling.  Two dishes 
and that Texas Tower model from the link is fully loaded.  Same with a 
Trylon Titan if you're getting the least expensive model.  I'd consider 
what you need to put on it first, then cost second.




-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/15/2018 2:19:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

So what's the cliff notes on the 3 least expensive 100ft self 
supporters?


Texas Towers Model ?Trylon "Titan" 96ft


On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
http://www.mtin.net/blog/towers-and-pricing/ 



A blog article I did awhile ago.  Pricing is still pretty relevant.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com


On May 9, 2018, at 3:05 PM, James Howard  wrote:

Sounds like roughly $12k total.  Thanks much!  That helps a lot.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Not really sure as we did most of it ourself.  Probably $2000 for the 
foundation and another $1500 for erection.


From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 12:44 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

What did you end up spending to install it?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

$5,721.00 + Tax and shipping



$7,889.00

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:40 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

What did it end up costing?

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Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Rohn SSV.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:30 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Dredging up an old thread here.  What did you end up going with 
Chuck?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Needs to be self supporting.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 1:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

Found a 96 footer Titan from Tessco for about $4600.
Any better deals or stronger towers for a similar price?

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Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

2018-05-15 Thread Mike Hammett

https://www.tessco.com/selector/tower/index.jsp 




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- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:08:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100' 


The load limits on "least expensive" are pretty crippling. Two dishes and that 
Texas Tower model from the link is fully loaded. Same with a Trylon Titan if 
you're getting the least expensive model. I'd consider what you need to put on 
it first, then cost second. 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 5/15/2018 2:19:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100' 





So what's the cliff notes on the 3 least expensive 100ft self supporters? 




* Texas Towers Model ? 
* Trylon "Titan" 96ft 
* ?? 
* ?? 





On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Justin Wilson < li...@mtin.net > wrote: 



http://www.mtin.net/blog/towers-and-pricing/ 


A blog article I did awhile ago. Pricing is still pretty relevant. 



Justin Wilson 
j...@mtin.net 


www.mtin.net 
www.midwest-ix.com 




On May 9, 2018, at 3:05 PM, James Howard < ja...@litewire.net > wrote: 



Sounds like roughly $12k total. Thanks much! That helps a lot. 



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Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:51 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100' 




Not really sure as we did most of it ourself. Probably $2000 for the foundation 
and another $1500 for erection. 






From: James Howard 

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To: ' af@afmug.com ' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100' 





What did you end up spending to install it? 



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Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:40 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
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$5,721.00 + Tax and shipping 


$7,889.00 






From: James Howard 

Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:40 AM 

To: ' af@afmug.com ' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100' 



What did it end up costing? 



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Rohn SSV. 






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Dredging up an old thread here. What did you end up going with Chuck? 



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Needs to be self supporting. 






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Found a 96 footer Titan from Tessco for about $4600. 

Any better deals or stronger towers for a similar price? 


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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff dies
at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
> run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.  See
>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>
>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
>> more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>
>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure other
>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>
>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is that
>> the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a bit
>> more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the semiconductor
>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for the
>>> two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>>>
>>> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
>>> injector, forgot to mention that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
 first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
 definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed up.

 Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too. It
 works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs. Still
 works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down that low.
 Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really didn't
 want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely unsupported.


 On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

> I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site surveys with
> the old PMP100. I'm pretty sure they would function in the 8-10V region.
>
> I know nothing about the ePMP radios. Trust George.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/6/2018 2:33 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
>> Original 5GHz integrated and connectorized are 14-30VDC, -4/5 +7/8
>> only.
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

27.4v is at the power supply, so where there's 100' or so of cable, voltage
is going to be quite a bit lower at the radio, but we have some sites where
there's only a few feet of cable and it works fine.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Ahh maybe I'm thinking up to 27 works then.  Do you get 27.4 up to the
> radio or is this right before say 100' up the tower?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> UBNT stuff will take at least 28 volts without any problem. I run pretty
>> much everything at around 27.4v, and I've never run into any problems with
>> any ubnt stuff.
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
>>> dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
 run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.

 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
> See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>
> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
> more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>
> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure 
> other
> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
> internal temperature of the radio.
>
> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
> that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
> bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the 
> semiconductor
> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for
>> the two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>>
>> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
>> injector, forgot to mention that.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup <
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
>>> first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
>>> definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed 
>>> up.
>>>
>>> Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too.
>>> It works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs.
>>> Still works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down 
>>> that
>>> low. Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really
>>> didn't want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely
>>> unsupported.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
 I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site surveys with
 the old PMP100. I'm pretty sure they would function in the 8-10V 
 region.

 I know nothing about the ePMP radios. Trust George.


 bp
 

 On 5/6/2018 2:33 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff dies
> at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
>> run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>>
>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.  See
>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>>
>>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
>>> more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>>
>>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure other
>>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>>
>>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is that
>>> the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a bit
>>> more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the semiconductor
>>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for the
 two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...

 Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
 injector, forgot to mention that.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
> first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
> definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed up.
>
> Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too. It
> works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs. Still
> works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down that low.
> Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really didn't
> want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely unsupported.
>
>
> On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>> I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site surveys with
>> the old PMP100. I'm pretty sure they would function in the 8-10V region.
>>
>> I know nothing about the ePMP radios. Trust George.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/6/2018 2:33 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>>> Original 5GHz integrated and connectorized are 14-30VDC, -4/5 +7/8
>>> only.
>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> 
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

[AFMUG] KP Performance KPPA-900DPY14

2018-05-15 Thread David Sovereen

Hi All,

I’m looking for vendors that have these in stock.  My usual supplier drop ships 
from KP and KP is out of stock.

Vendors stocking these (or WISPs who have extra that they don’t want or need) 
are welcome to contact me off-list. 

Thanks,

David Sovereen
 
Mercury Network Corporation
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Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

2018-05-15 Thread Mike Hammett

Probably not much different than any other 5 GHz radio on the same size 
antenna? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Dave"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:12:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance 

Has anyone deployed the new cambium ptp550 radio yet? if so what are you 
seeing? 



On 05/14/2018 10:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: 




Yes, you can get 2-ish miles out of 24ghz reasonably well, but I wouldn't go 
anywhere near that far with a Mimosa B24 link - keep in mind that these are 
tiny antennas, not 2' dishes like you can get with some of the other radios out 
there. 

I haven't used a B24 yet, but I don't think I'd want to try anything much 
beyond a mile with them. 



On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 




Max is 2-ish Miles. 


SAF has freemile and integra 24ghz radios too 


-Sean 



On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 7:20 PM Andreas Wiatowski < andr...@silo.ca > wrote: 





Hi all, 

It’s been a while since I’ve posted. Wondering who has used the Mimosa 24Ghz 
product in a heavy rain zone. What is your max distance? I really wish Cambium 
had a 24Ghz option! 

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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

Ahh maybe I'm thinking up to 27 works then.  Do you get 27.4 up to the
radio or is this right before say 100' up the tower?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> UBNT stuff will take at least 28 volts without any problem. I run pretty
> much everything at around 27.4v, and I've never run into any problems with
> any ubnt stuff.
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
>> dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
>>> run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
 See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
 n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944

 You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
 more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.

 For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
 supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure other
 copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
 internal temperature of the radio.

 One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
 that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
 bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the semiconductor
 switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
 quickly enough to do sync over power.





 On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for
> the two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>
> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
> injector, forgot to mention that.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
>> first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
>> definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed up.
>>
>> Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too. It
>> works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs. 
>> Still
>> works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down that low.
>> Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really didn't
>> want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely unsupported.
>>
>>
>> On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>>> I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site surveys with
>>> the old PMP100. I'm pretty sure they would function in the 8-10V region.
>>>
>>> I know nothing about the ePMP radios. Trust George.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 5/6/2018 2:33 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
 Original 5GHz integrated and connectorized are 14-30VDC, -4/5 +7/8
 only.

>>>
>>>
>>
>


 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

What hardware are you using to hang it?

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> I agree, there is no limit on number of spans, but the distance in the
> span could be an issue.  We have been using 12 strand Corning SST Drop
> cable for runs, its cheap and very strong.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I have run many spans of stuff called Rural C wire down country roads.
>> It is about the same size as flat fiber drop.  You do want to put twists in
>> the span to keep it from dancing in the wind.  I cannot think of a reason
>> for a 3 span limit.  I know of no limit unless it has to do with the way
>> the strength member  distributes the stresses.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 6:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial
>>
>> I'm looking at running flat drop down a country road, possibly on poles.
>> The specs I've read say not to run more than 3 spans for some reason.  Has
>> anyone done this?  Is their better attachment hardware than wedge clamps
>> for this application?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

UBNT stuff will take at least 28 volts without any problem. I run pretty
much everything at around 27.4v, and I've never run into any problems with
any ubnt stuff.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff dies
> at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
>> run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>>
>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.  See
>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>>
>>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
>>> more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>>
>>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure other
>>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>>
>>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is that
>>> the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a bit
>>> more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the semiconductor
>>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for the
 two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...

 Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
 injector, forgot to mention that.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
> first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
> definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed up.
>
> Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too. It
> works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs. Still
> works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down that low.
> Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really didn't
> want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely unsupported.
>
>
> On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>> I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site surveys with
>> the old PMP100. I'm pretty sure they would function in the 8-10V region.
>>
>> I know nothing about the ePMP radios. Trust George.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/6/2018 2:33 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>>> Original 5GHz integrated and connectorized are 14-30VDC, -4/5 +7/8
>>> only.
>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> 
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

I need a pair of servers, prefer DC powered but not absolutely stuck on that.  
Like to have nice blade server system with hot standby etc.  Been some time 
since I spec’d out servers.  

Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

You don't lose any voltage until the radios start drawing power, so it
generally isn't 100% safe to boost it beyond what the radios are rated
for.  I'd set the voltage at the bottom to the absolute maximum you know
the radios are fine with.  Then it can only go down from there.



On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top it's 24v.
> I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up the tower for my DC.
> I think the center conductor was 8mm.
>
> If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24 gauge,
> it's more like 26.83v at the top.  I'm not losing that ~0.6v.
>
> I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
>> modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
>>> dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
 run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.

 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
> See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>
> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
> more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>
> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure 
> other
> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
> internal temperature of the radio.
>
> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
> that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
> bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the 
> semiconductor
> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for
>> the two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>>
>> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
>> injector, forgot to mention that.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup <
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
>>> first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
>>> definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed 
>>> up.
>>>
>>> Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too.
>>> It works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs.
>>> Still works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down 
>>> that
>>> low. Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really
>>> didn't want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely
>>> unsupported.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
 I had a portable

Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Got any documentation on it?

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Many years ago, did it all the time.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?

Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:CF6D357011994F0793EF46618DA29C6E@MTC.local]

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

One other option is to put 48VDC in at the bottom of the coax, and then use
a DC-DC converter at the top for those things which need 24V.   I'm
particularly fond of the meanwell rsd series, specifically the meanwell
RSD-150C-24 should do just fine.  Assuming you don't have more than 150W of
radios up top.   If you need less/more there are smaller/larger options
available.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> You don't lose any voltage until the radios start drawing power, so it
> generally isn't 100% safe to boost it beyond what the radios are rated
> for.  I'd set the voltage at the bottom to the absolute maximum you know
> the radios are fine with.  Then it can only go down from there.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top it's
>> 24v.  I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up the tower for my
>> DC.  I think the center conductor was 8mm.
>>
>> If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24 gauge,
>> it's more like 26.83v at the top.  I'm not losing that ~0.6v.
>>
>> I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
>>> modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
 dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:

> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.
> We run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
>> See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>
>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a
>> bit more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>
>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure 
>> other
>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>
>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
>> that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
>> bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the 
>> semiconductor
>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for
>>> the two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>>>
>>> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green
>>> POE injector, forgot to mention that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup <
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
 Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
 first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They 
 were

Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Many years ago, did it all the time.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT? 

  Gino A. Villarini

  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?


Y u no cnMaestro, bro?

Unless you're talking FSK, then.. yeah.

On 5/15/2018 12:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Got any documentation on it?

From: Af > on 
behalf of Chuck McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Many years ago, did it all the time.
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

That the point, I want to mass update all Apps with the cN Maestro url and also 
need to ad ip dns

From: Af > on behalf of 
George Skorup >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:06 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Y u no cnMaestro, bro?

Unless you're talking FSK, then.. yeah.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 5/15/2018 12:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Got any documentation on it?ï¿1Ž2

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?


ï¿1Ž2

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part7.187D5BFF.A71E5ADD@cbcast.com]

Many years ago, did it all the time.ï¿1Ž2
ï¿1Ž2
From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
ï¿1Ž2
Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?

ï¿1Ž2

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:CF6D357011994F0793EF46618DA29C6E@MTC.local]

Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Is not set :-(

From: Af > on behalf of 
George Skorup >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:26 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

If SNMP write is enabled, snmpset script?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On 5/15/2018 12:15 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
That the point, I want to mass update all Apps with the cN Maestro url and also 
need to ad ip dns

From: Af > on behalf of 
George Skorup >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:06 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Y u no cnMaestro, bro?

Unless you're talking FSK, then.. yeah.


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Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 5/15/2018 12:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Got any documentation on it?ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?


ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Many years ago, did it all the time.ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
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From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?

ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22

Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

Yeah, older Mikrotiks are the only thing that I can remember ever running
into problems with at that voltage... but as you said, they belong in the
round filing cabinet anyway.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:27 AM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I set the no-load float voltage at 27.6 for the AD-155B's. Got some older
> RocketM's on 40-80 feet of cable and they've been fine.
>
> The only real issue I've had is gear at the bottom not liking the higher
> voltage. Mostly older RB493's, which I replaced and threw in the round
> filing cabinet.
>
> On 5/15/2018 10:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yeah, in that case you're not going to have much drop. The only reason I
> shoot for 27.4v is to match the float voltage on batteries - if you don't
> have to deal with that, just set it to 26v, or so and you won't need to
> worry about anything.
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top it's
>> 24v.  I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up the tower for my
>> DC.  I think the center conductor was 8mm.
>>
>> If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24 gauge,
>> it's more like 26.83v at the top.  I'm not losing that ~0.6v.
>>
>> I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
>>> modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
 dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:

> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.
> We run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
>> See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>
>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a
>> bit more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>
>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure 
>> other
>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>
>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
>> that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
>> bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the 
>> semiconductor
>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for
>>> the two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>>>
>>> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green
>>> POE injector, forgot to mention that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup <
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
 Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

Yeah, in that case you're not going to have much drop. The only reason I
shoot for 27.4v is to match the float voltage on batteries - if you don't
have to deal with that, just set it to 26v, or so and you won't need to
worry about anything.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top it's 24v.
> I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up the tower for my DC.
> I think the center conductor was 8mm.
>
> If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24 gauge,
> it's more like 26.83v at the top.  I'm not losing that ~0.6v.
>
> I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
>> modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
>>> dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.  We
 run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.

 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
> See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>
> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a bit
> more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>
> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure 
> other
> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
> internal temperature of the radio.
>
> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
> that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
> bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the 
> semiconductor
> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for
>> the two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>>
>> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green POE
>> injector, forgot to mention that.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup <
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
>>> first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They were
>>> definitely NOT capable of being powered from 48/56V. Somebody screwed 
>>> up.
>>>
>>> Yeah. We've run Force180/200 survey setups on a small 12V SLA too.
>>> It works, but they're rated at 14 volts. Same with the 100 and 450 SMs.
>>> Still works. However, I recall the regulator is very inefficient down 
>>> that
>>> low. Like the old 320 and 430 APs could be run on 24VDC, but you really
>>> didn't want to do that, and Motorola/Cambium said it was completely
>>> unsupported.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/6/2018 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
 I had a portable 12V battery that I would use for site

[AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

One other option is to put 48VDC in at the bottom of the coax, and then use
a DC-DC converter at the top.   I'm particularly fond of the meanwell
rsd series, specifically the meanwell RSD-150C-24 should do just fine.
Assuming you don't have more than 150W of radios up top.   If you need
less/more there are smaller/larger options available.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> You don't lose any voltage until the radios start drawing power, so it
> generally isn't 100% safe to boost it beyond what the radios are rated
> for.  I'd set the voltage at the bottom to the absolute maximum you know
> the radios are fine with.  Then it can only go down from there.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top it's
>> 24v.  I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up the tower for my
>> DC.  I think the center conductor was 8mm.
>>
>> If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24 gauge,
>> it's more like 26.83v at the top.  I'm not losing that ~0.6v.
>>
>> I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.   Anything
>>> modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Sweet!  I'll crank up the power supply another volt.  IIRC Ubnt stuff
 dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I aimed for right at 24v.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:

> Agreed.  I expect your issues will go away if you increase voltage.
> We run all ePMP @ 48VDC.  It fixed these random rebooting issues for us.
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> 22.93 is too low.   Cambium says 23V is the minimum into the radio.
>> See http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installatio
>> n/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944
>>
>> You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the injector, and then a
>> bit more for cabling.   Plus a bit more for everything else.
>>
>> For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked it up to my power
>> supply - it doesn't even turn on until 22.5V at the radio.   I'm sure 
>> other
>> copies are probably higher or lower.   And I'm sure it changes with
>> internal temperature of the radio.
>>
>> One big difference between the PoE Injector and the SyncInjector is
>> that the syncinjector uses semiconductor switches which generally have a
>> bit more voltage drop than a relay.  The tradeoff is that the 
>> semiconductor
>> switches can switch far more power than the relays can and can switch
>> quickly enough to do sync over power.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So we replaced all 8 surge cards.  It's getting 22.95 and 22.93 for
>>> the two boxes (to the green terminal).  Devices are still rebooting...
>>>
>>> Epmp never has problems with the same DC supply through the green
>>> POE injector, forgot to mention that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, George Skorup <
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
 Funny story if you were using ePMP near the beginning. Some of the
 first original 5GHz integrated radios had labels marked 56VDC. They 
 were
 definitely NOT capable of being

Re: [AFMUG] KP Performance KPPA-900DPY14

Hey David! Glad to see you posting … Hope all is well!

From: Af > on behalf of 
"david.sover...@mercury.net" 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 11:23 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] KP Performance KPPA-900DPY14

Hi All,

I’m looking for vendors that have these in stock.  My usual supplier drop ships 
from KP and KP is out of stock.

Vendors stocking these (or WISPs who have extra that they don’t want or need) 
are welcome to contact me off-list.

Thanks,

David Sovereen

Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |  989.837.3780 fax

Telephone  |  Internet  |  Security Alarm Monitoring

david.sover...@mercury.net
www.mercury.net

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Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?


If SNMP write is enabled, snmpset script?

On 5/15/2018 12:15 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
That the point, I want to mass update all Apps with the cN Maestro url 
and also need to ad ip dns


From: Af > on 
behalf of George Skorup >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:06 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Y u no cnMaestro, bro?

Unless you're talking FSK, then.. yeah.

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On 5/15/2018 12:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Got any documentation on it?ï¿½1ï¿½2

From: Af > on 
behalf of Chuck McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

*//*ï¿½1ï¿½2

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Many years ago, did it all the time.ï¿½1ï¿½2
ï¿½1ï¿½2
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
ï¿½1ï¿½2
Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?

*//*ï¿½1ï¿½2

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

2018-05-15 Thread Erich Kaiser

Depends on scenario/ pole material  but mostly P Clamps and Drop clamps

http://www.linemen-tools.com/category_s/584.htm





On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What hardware are you using to hang it?
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Erich Kaiser  > wrote:
>
>> I agree, there is no limit on number of spans, but the distance in the
>> span could be an issue.  We have been using 12 strand Corning SST Drop
>> cable for runs, its cheap and very strong.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I have run many spans of stuff called Rural C wire down country roads.
>>> It is about the same size as flat fiber drop.  You do want to put twists in
>>> the span to keep it from dancing in the wind.  I cannot think of a reason
>>> for a 3 span limit.  I know of no limit unless it has to do with the way
>>> the strength member  distributes the stresses.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 6:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial
>>>
>>> I'm looking at running flat drop down a country road, possibly on
>>> poles.  The specs I've read say not to run more than 3 spans for some
>>> reason.  Has anyone done this?  Is their better attachment hardware than
>>> wedge clamps for this application?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] KP Performance KPPA-900DPY14

2018-05-15 Thread Jerry Head

We just order the 17s and use the back half of itthen ride back out 
later to put up the other half because...900.


On 5/15/2018 10:23 AM, David Sovereen wrote:

Hi All,

I’m looking for vendors that have these in stock.  My usual supplier 
drop ships from KP and KP is out of stock.


Vendors stocking these (or WISPs who have extra that they don’t want 
or need) are welcome to contact me off-list.


Thanks,

*David Sovereen*
**
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
Telephone * | *Internet*  | *Security Alarm Monitoring
david.sover...@mercury.net 
www.mercury.net

Re: [AFMUG] KP Performance KPPA-900DPY14


Yup. 14 to 17 is just double the boom length.

On 5/15/2018 1:05 PM, David Sovereen wrote:

Are you saying the 17 is just a 14 with an additional piece?

*David Sovereen*
**
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
Telephone * | *Internet*  | *Security Alarm Monitoring
david.sover...@mercury.net 
www.mercury.net 


On May 15, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Jerry Head > wrote:


We just order the 17s and use the back half of itthen ride back 
out later to put up the other half because...900.


On 5/15/2018 10:23 AM, David Sovereen wrote:

Hi All,

I’m looking for vendors that have these in stock.  My usual supplier 
drop ships from KP and KP is out of stock.


Vendors stocking these (or WISPs who have extra that they don’t want 
or need) are welcome to contact me off-list.


Thanks,

*David Sovereen*
**
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |  989.837.3780 fax
Telephone * | *Internet*  | *Security Alarm Monitoring
david.sover...@mercury.net 
www.mercury.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

Servers for what?

Blades are kind of a thing of the past, I think.  It's way easier and
cheaper to do something like HA with ESXi.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:03 PM,  wrote:

> I need a pair of servers, prefer DC powered but not absolutely stuck on
> that.  Like to have nice blade server system with hot standby etc.  Been
> some time since I spec’d out servers.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any Aviat Eclipse experts near Midland, Texas area?

2018-05-15 Thread Colin Stanners

How high is high? Could it be some type of QoS setting? One possible option
would be to note settings/licenses and then do a reset to defaults of the
radios.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Email me off liststrange issue..no dropped packets, no BER alarms, rsl
> difference from install readings but latency is high even though stats says
> 176.5 from possible 177mbps possible..
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

2018-05-15 Thread Dennis Burgess

We can quote you some nice 1U servers with ESXI on them and a small SAN.  That 
would have redundancy in the event of a server failure, SAN failures are more 
costly, but they (typically) are designed for failures.

From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

I need a pair of servers, prefer DC powered but not absolutely stuck on that.  
Like to have nice blade server system with hot standby etc.  Been some time 
since I spec’d out servers.

Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

2018-05-15 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ronard makes chimney mounts ..copy idea

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, May 15, 2018, 2:18 PM  wrote:

> Most chimneys have a large central hole that you can stick a large pipe
> down...
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
>
> The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?
>
> If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see what
> all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit myself
> to that one store, though.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
>> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was
>> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
>> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
>> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?

Can you make changes with CNUT without SNMP write enabled?

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Is not set :-(
>
> From: Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:26 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
>
> If SNMP write is enabled, snmpset script?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On 5/15/2018 12:15 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> That the point, I want to mass update all Apps with the cN Maestro url and
> also need to ad ip dns
>
> From: Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:06 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
>
> Y u no cnMaestro, bro?
>
> Unless you're talking FSK, then.. yeah.
>
> ï¿1Ž2
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On 5/15/2018 12:01 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> Got any documentation on it?ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
>
> ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> Many years ago, did it all the time.ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
> ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Custom CNUT - snmp tools for mass changes?
> ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
> Anyone has experience doing mass changes in CNUT?
>
> ï¿1Ž21ï¿1Ž22
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

It's just weird it has no problems with 8 radios for 2 years and then in
the last 6 months it starts acting up with only half that many.

I was thinking more like go from 24 to 25-26 volts.  That extra volt or two
might solve all my problems and be a minor change to anything.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Dave  wrote:

> Temperatures in both radio and power source which can be adversely swayed
> by external temperatures
>
> On 05/02/2018 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> There is - here are the counters: https://imgur.com/a/FdVP9IF
> Note that bb5/6/7 have been losing power frequently too.
>
> If the voltage is too low, why would they randomly reboot maybe once or
> twice a week and then be fine for months at a time?
>
> The runs are well under 100m.  24vdc feeds the NEMA enclosure, then we
> have maybe 25 feet of cat5 to APs.
>
> I would think it's no more than 1 volt loss from my 24v source to the AP,
> but I have not verified this.  I know it's 24v at the green terminal block
> to the POE injector/Gigabit Sync injector.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have a base unit attached to these, you should look at the event
>> counters on the tripped line in the binary/boolean tab to determine if the
>> device is detecting an overcurrent event.If it's seeing an overcurrent
>> trip, then yes, check the surge suppressors.
>>
>> The other item is what has been mentioned, if you have too low of a
>> voltage into the PowerInjector, the ePMP's will reboot.   This is
>> especially true in cold weather since the units seem to draw more even
>> after startup.   You need around at least 26V on the input of the power
>> injector, if not a bit more, for an ePMP to run correctly on a full 100m of
>> cable.  You could probably get away with a bit lower voltage on shorter
>> runs.
>>
>> The 10/100 injector doesn't drop quite as many volts due to it being a
>> switch closure instead of a semiconductor junction, so you might be right
>> on the edge of what is acceptable.
>>
>> BTW, too low of voltage will also cause 'trips', as when the voltage
>> drops below acceptable ranges for the ePMP, the ePMP power supply circuit
>> tries to pull more and more power from the CAT5 cable, eventually causing
>> what looks like a brief short circuit just before it shuts down.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got two of these with problems: http://store.packetf
>>> lux.com/powerinjector-plus-sync-gigabit-version/
>>>
>>> However one of these gives me no problems: http://store.packetf
>>> lux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-gigabit-poe-injector-controller/
>>>
>>> I have a 24vdc plant going up the tower.  In the box it feeds these
>>> three Packetflux units.  The 4 channel POE injector has given me 0 problems.
>>>
>>> I've got Cambium ePMP on the PowerInjector and it has been randomly?
>>> rebooting units for several months.  Yesterday one of the ports just
>>> decided to turn off for 20 minutes and come right back.  We've replaced the
>>> line & radio to make sure it's the box, but all signs point to it.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else seen this or am I lucky in getting the only two units
>>> with power problems on them?  AFAIK sync has been just as reliable as the
>>> power through them.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?
>
> If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see what
> all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit myself
> to that one store, though.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
>> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was
>> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
>> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
>> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

2018-05-15 Thread Dave

Temperatures in both radio and power source which can be adversely 
swayed by external temperatures

On 05/02/2018 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

There is - here are the counters: https://imgur.com/a/FdVP9IF
Note that bb5/6/7 have been losing power frequently too.

If the voltage is too low, why would they randomly reboot maybe once 
or twice a week and then be fine for months at a time?

The runs are well under 100m.  24vdc feeds the NEMA enclosure, then we 
have maybe 25 feet of cat5 to APs.

I would think it's no more than 1 volt loss from my 24v source to the 
AP, but I have not verified this.  I know it's 24v at the green 
terminal block to the POE injector/Gigabit Sync injector.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:

If you have a base unit attached to these, you should look at the
event counters on the tripped line in the binary/boolean tab to
determine if the device is detecting an overcurrent event.    If
it's seeing an overcurrent trip, then yes, check the surge
suppressors.

The other item is what has been mentioned, if you have too low of
a voltage into the PowerInjector, the ePMP's will reboot.   This
is especially true in cold weather since the units seem to draw
more even after startup.   You need around at least 26V on the
input of the power injector, if not a bit more, for an ePMP to run
correctly on a full 100m of cable.  You could probably get away
with a bit lower voltage on shorter runs.

The 10/100 injector doesn't drop quite as many volts due to it
being a switch closure instead of a semiconductor junction, so you
might be right on the edge of what is acceptable.

BTW, too low of voltage will also cause 'trips', as when the
voltage drops below acceptable ranges for the ePMP, the ePMP power
supply circuit tries to pull more and more power from the CAT5
cable, eventually causing what looks like a brief short circuit
just before it shuts down.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:

I've got two of these with problems:
http://store.packetflux.com/powerinjector-plus-sync-gigabit-version/

However one of these gives me no problems:

http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-gigabit-poe-injector-controller/

I have a 24vdc plant going up the tower.  In the box it feeds
these three Packetflux units. The 4 channel POE injector has
given me 0 problems.

I've got Cambium ePMP on the PowerInjector and it has been
randomly? rebooting units for several months.  Yesterday one
of the ports just decided to turn off for 20 minutes and come
right back.  We've replaced the line & radio to make sure it's
the box, but all signs point to it.

Has anyone else seen this or am I lucky in getting the only
two units with power problems on them?  AFAIK sync has been
just as reliable as the power through them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT
59602

forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

--

[AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6' section
of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was
thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.

[AFMUG] Any Aviat Eclipse experts near Midland, Texas area?

2018-05-15 Thread Jaime Solorza

Email me off liststrange issue..no dropped packets, no BER alarms, rsl
difference from install readings but latency is high even though stats says
176.5 from possible 177mbps possible..

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?

If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see what
all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit myself
to that one store, though.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was
> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.

Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

Thus the question.  10 years ago blade servers were all the rage.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

Servers for what? 

Blades are kind of a thing of the past, I think.  It's way easier and cheaper 
to do something like HA with ESXi.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:03 PM,  wrote:

  I need a pair of servers, prefer DC powered but not absolutely stuck on that. 
 Like to have nice blade server system with hot standby etc.  Been some time 
since I spec’d out servers.  

  Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Most chimneys have a large central hole that you can stick a large pipe down...

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it? 

If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see what all 
can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit myself to that 
one store, though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6' section 
of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was thinking of 
just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a bracket of some type, 
possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred. I'll need to source it from 
a local hardware store.

Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

2018-05-15 Thread Dennis Burgess

BTW, I have a bunch of 1855 blade centers sitting, quad power supplies, dual 
switches, 10 blades most have dual dual core Xeons around 2.0 – 2.4 ghz. 10 
blades each.  I can sell you for a song!

From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

Thus the question.  10 years ago blade servers were all the rage.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

Servers for what?

Blades are kind of a thing of the past, I think.  It's way easier and cheaper 
to do something like HA with ESXi.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:03 PM, > 
wrote:
I need a pair of servers, prefer DC powered but not absolutely stuck on that.  
Like to have nice blade server system with hot standby etc.  Been some time 
since I spec’d out servers.

Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

I am singing...

BTW you would probably be the guy that would end up maintaining them...

From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

BTW, I have a bunch of 1855 blade centers sitting, quad power supplies, dual 
switches, 10 blades most have dual dual core Xeons around 2.0 – 2.4 ghz. 10 
blades each.  I can sell you for a song!  

From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

Thus the question.  10 years ago blade servers were all the rage.  

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:04 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT NOC server choice

Servers for what? 

Blades are kind of a thing of the past, I think.  It's way easier and cheaper 
to do something like HA with ESXi.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:03 PM,  wrote:

  I need a pair of servers, prefer DC powered but not absolutely stuck on that. 
 Like to have nice blade server system with hot standby etc.  Been some time 
since I spec’d out servers.  

  Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Problems with Packetflux Powerinjector

I set the no-load float voltage at 27.6 for the AD-155B's. Got some
older RocketM's on 40-80 feet of cable and they've been fine.

The only real issue I've had is gear at the bottom not liking the higher
voltage. Mostly older RB493's, which I replaced and threw in the round
filing cabinet.

On 5/15/2018 10:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, in that case you're not going to have much drop. The only reason
I shoot for 27.4v is to match the float voltage on batteries - if you
don't have to deal with that, just set it to 26v, or so and you won't
need to worry about anything.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Reason I ask is if at the bottom I believe it's 24v and the top
it's 24v. I'm using that heavy duty coax (inch and a half?) up
the tower for my DC. I think the center conductor was 8mm.

If you're doing say 27.4v at the bottom and 100' of two pair 24
gauge, it's more like 26.83v at the top. I'm not losing that ~0.6v.

I really don't want to fry anything and start replacing radios :(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:

The UBNT stuff used to be a lot more sensitive than it is.
Anything modern should be fine up to 28V on the 24V radios.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Sweet! I'll crank up the power supply another volt. IIRC
Ubnt stuff dies at 26 or 27 volts, so you can see why I
aimed for right at 24v.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Josh Baird
> wrote:

Agreed. I expect your issues will go away if you
increase voltage. We run all ePMP @ 48VDC. It fixed
these random rebooting issues for us.

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Forrest Christian
(List Account) > wrote:

22.93 is too low. Cambium says 23V is the
minimum into the radio. See

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-Installation/ePMP-PoE-Powering-Primer/td-p/49944

You need to subtract a bit of loss inside the
injector, and then a bit more for cabling. Plus
a bit more for everything else.

For verification, I took my bench ePMP and hooked
it up to my power supply - it doesn't even turn on
until 22.5V at the radio. I'm sure other copies
are probably higher or lower. And I'm sure it
changes with internal temperature of the radio.

One big difference between the PoE Injector and
the SyncInjector is that the syncinjector uses
semiconductor switches which generally have a bit
more voltage drop than a relay. The tradeoff is
that the semiconductor switches can switch far
more power than the relays can and can switch
quickly enough to do sync over power.

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

So we replaced all 8 surge cards. It's
getting 22.95 and 22.93 for the two boxes (to
the green terminal). Devices are still
rebooting...

Epmp never has problems with the same DC
supply through the green POE injector, forgot
to mention that.

Josh

Re: [AFMUG] KP Performance KPPA-900DPY14

2018-05-15 Thread David Sovereen

Are you saying the 17 is just a 14 with an additional piece?

David Sovereen
 
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |  989.837.3780 fax
 
Telephone  |  Internet  |  Security Alarm Monitoring
 
david.sover...@mercury.net 
www.mercury.net 



> On May 15, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Jerry Head  wrote:
> 
> We just order the 17s and use the back half of itthen ride back out later 
> to put up the other half because...900.
> 
> On 5/15/2018 10:23 AM, David Sovereen wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I’m looking for vendors that have these in stock.  My usual supplier drop 
>> ships from KP and KP is out of stock.
>> 
>> Vendors stocking these (or WISPs who have extra that they don’t want or 
>> need) are welcome to contact me off-list. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> David Sovereen
>>  
>> Mercury Network Corporation
>> 2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
>> 989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |  989.837.3780 fax
>>  
>> Telephone  |  Internet  |  Security Alarm Monitoring
>>  
>> david.sover...@mercury.net 
>> www.mercury.net 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it in place.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount it 
vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie  wrote:

  Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done

  On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it? 

  If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see 
what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit 
myself to that one store, though.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6' 
section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was 
thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a bracket 
of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred. I'll need to 
source it from a local hardware store. 

  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

2018-05-15 Thread TJ Trout

Yes, we use unistrut for various tower mounts (home made) they defiantly
can hold a mast with plenty of strength

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:04 PM,  wrote:

> Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it in
> place.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
>
> Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount it
> vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?

 If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see
 what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit
 myself to that one store, though.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I 
> was
> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.



>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

I'll give that a whirl, thanks everyone. Backup plan will be Chuck's
PVC/spray foam idea.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Yes, we use unistrut for various tower mounts (home made) they defiantly
> can hold a mast with plenty of strength
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:04 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it in
>> place.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
>>
>> Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount
>> it vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.

 On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?
>
> If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see
> what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit
> myself to that one store, though.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
>> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I 
>> was
>> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
>> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
>> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.
>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount it
vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?
>>>
>>> If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see
>>> what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit
>>> myself to that one store, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
 section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was
 thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
 bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
 I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

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