BUS: hi its me again
I flip my master switch to myself. I publish the following Notice of Honour: +1 Agora (i have no clue what's going on so i don't know who else to pick) -1 ATMunn (pretending to come back and then disappearing again for 6 months) So yeah it's summer again, therefore I have free time again, therefore Agora. Like I said, I have no idea what's happening right now. I did some quick skimming of recent messages and basically what I got is this: - Agora has a dragon now (?!?) - Someone made a million-year pledge or something - There are like 4 people whose names I do not recognize - yeah idk but yeah I'll try to stick around for more than 2 weeks this time :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8388-8404
I vote as follows: 8388f nch 1.0 The Webmastor FOR 8389f G. 2.0 Just Impeach instead FOR 8390* R. Lee 3.0 Registror AGAINST 8391* R. Lee 3.0 Notory (Vote Labour) AGAINST [not too crazy about the name change stuff] 8392j Jason2.0 Prior violations FOR 8393f Aris 2.0 Elections Aren't Over Till They End FOR 8394f Jason2.0 8228 retry FOR 8395l Jason1.1 Editorial what? PRESENT 8396e grok, G. 1.0 Auction End Clarification FOR 8397l P.S.S. 2.0 Referral FOR 8398* Murphy, nch, G. 3.0 More conservative implicit announcements FOR [if I could vote FOR this multiple times I would] 8399j R. Lee 1.0 E had two months! FOR 8400l R. Lee 1.0 Clinton v City of New York PRESENT 8401j Aris, P.S.S. 1.0 Defense Against the Dark Arts FOR [mostly because of the crime names :D] 8402* Aris, Falsifian 3.0 Promises PRESENT [sounds like an interesting idea but i'm not quite sure what it does. open to change my vote] 8403* Trigon 4.0 1698 shortening FOR 8404j P.S.S., [1] 1.7 High Crimes and Treason FOR
BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] The Ribbon Bar
CoE: I'm not a zombie anymore On 5/31/2020 6:51 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: The Ribbon Bar (Tailor's Monthly Report) Date of this report: 2020-05-31 Date of last report: 2020-04-25 (all times UTC) FESTIVITY(self-ratifies) No Festival is ongoing; that is, Agora's Festivity is 0. RIBBON OWNERSHIP (self-ratifies) --- ACTIVE PLAYERS ROGECBMUVIPLWKAT --- Aris ROG CBMUV P AT Baron von Vaderham A Bögtil CuddleBeam C M V P W A D. Margaux ROG CBMUVIP WKAT Falsifian ROGECBMUV P AT Gaelan CBMUV A grokO BMUV G. ROGECBMUV PLWKAT Jason ROGECBMUVIPL AT Murphy R CBMUVKA nch OG CBMUV P W AT omdC UVKA P.S.S.ECBMUV A R. Lee C MU LWK sukil Tcbapo Telnaior M VKA Trigon RO ECBMUV P AT twg O EC U IP W AT --- ZOMBIESROGECBMUVIPLWKAT --- ATMunn VKA --- EX-PLAYERS ROGECBMUVIPLWKAT --- ais523 ROG CBMUV PLWKAT Alexis ROGECBMUVIP WKAT aranea ROG CBM V PLW A babelian U Bayushi MU Bede M W Bernie ROM ChuckM Corona M VK Ienpw III UV K W Kenyon A o ROG BMUV WKAT ØrjanM V A pikhq pokes K Quazie O C MUVKA Rance C Roujo V SprocklemMUV W A stadjerW Tekneek M TenhigitsuneO UV A Tiger BM tmanthe2ndUV Veggiekeks C UV Walker M Warrigal C M YallyM Zachary Watterson U --- ROGECBMUVIPLWKAT --- GLITTER (does not self-ratify) Currently, Glitter rewards are as follows: Red 15 coins Orange 13 coins Green16 coins Emerald 16 coins Cyan 8 coins Blue 11 coins Magenta 8 coins Ultraviolet 8 coins Violet7 coins Indigo 19 coins Platinum 13 coins Lime 19 coins White16 coins (not earnable) blacK15 coins (not earnable except via proposal/scam) grAy 6 coins (not earnable) Transparent 14 coins RULES SUMMARY (does not self-ratify) The rules for Ribbons are set out in detail in Rule 2438, but to summarise, you can be awarded each different colour of Ribbon for different achievements within Agora, usually within 7 days after the chievement. If you come to qualify for a Ribbon that you already have, you can instead award yourself Glitter, which provides you a small coin bonus based on the Ribbon's rarity. When you have collected all 16 Ribbons, you can use them to win the game by Renaissance. After winning by Renaissance, you can't collect any more Ribbons (or Glitter) for 7 days. Approximate summary of how to collect each type of Ribbon: Red Successfully propose a rule change at Power 3 or higher Orange Your proposal is unanimously adopted GreenHold an elected office for 30 days, without Tardiness Emerald Win an election Cyan Deputise for an officer Blue Judge a CFJ within the time limit Magenta Claim on Agora's Birthday Ultraviolet Become Champion (usually by winning the game) Violet Receive a Patent Title (other than Champion or a degree) Indigo Receive a degree Platinum Be the Speaker of Agora Lime Co-author three adopted proposals within 7 days WhiteNever own a White Ribbon before; or, receive from someone who has never gifted a White Ribbon before blacKN/A; only possible by proposal or scam grAy Awarded monthly by the Tailor Transparent Receive or qualify for 5 Ribbons w
Re: BUS: Notary Election
I become a candidate for the Notary election. vote me because im poor On 5/31/2020 9:56 AM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: A player may start an election by announcement if e is the holder of the office being elected. I initiate an election for the office of Notary and become a candidate.
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: Free Tournament Intent
I support the below intent. On 5/31/2020 12:08 PM, Rebecca via agora-official wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 1:58 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 5/31/2020 7:39 AM, Rebecca via agora-official wrote: Sorry, I intend with 3 Agoran consent to host a Free Tournament with the following Regulations (i fixed a typo) I object to this, and to the previous intent. Nothing against the idea, but given the confusion over the consent level, and also that the scoror can win, and the scoror is choosing the weapon, just want to make sure there's enough interested supporters (assumed competitors?) to make it sporting. -G. Okay this time I intend to create a Free Tournament with the following Regulations, with TWO Agoran Consent. 1. Introduction (this section has no legal effect) Agora is one of the great inventions of the internet as it comes to human play. Agora has lasted 20 years and provided enjoyment to the people who have played this game, who surely number in the hundreds. As a longstanding game, Agora is saddened by the fact that another great platform of internet gaming, adobe flash, will end at the end of 2018. We hereby resolve to play one of the greatest and most influential online games of the just-ended decade, namely flappy bird, to celebrate the legacy of play that we all share. 2. Scoror R. Lee is the Scoror of this Tournament. In a timely fashion after this Tournament's Submission Period ends, the Scoror SHALL and CAN by announcement certify each Score and determine the winner as set out later in these Regulations (section 7). If R. Lee does not timely do this, e is disqualified from this Tournament and is ineligible to win this Tournament or to have a certified score. If R. Lee does not perform eir duties as Scoror in a timely fashion, any other player may deputize for the Scoror to complete the Scoror's duties in accordance with the deputization rules in the Agoran ruleset. 3. Joining this Tournament Any player of Agora may join this Tournament by submitting a Score by the methods defined later (due to the Free Tournament rules, non-players cannot play) 4. Submission Period This Tournament's Submission Period shall begin 24 hours after this Tournament is initiated, and it shall end 7 days after it begins. 5. Method of Play Each competitor in this Tournament, throughout the Submission Period, shall attempt to achieve the highest score possible in the game found at the following online link: https://flappybird.io/ . No other version of the game flappy bird is to be used apart from that found at that link. 6. Method of Submission During the submission period, players can submit Scores by sending emails to the public forum. Scores must be contained within screenshots, attached to the player's email or linked to in that email. These screenshots must be accessible to all players and must depict both a completed game of Flappy Bird, played by the above listed link, and an additional internet tab open in which the player's Agoran username is typed. Players may submit as many Scores as they want, but when a player submits a higher score than eir previous Score, the previous Score ceases to be a Score and the higher Score becomes that player's Score 7. Certification and Victory If the Scoror is satisfied that any submitted Score satisfies the conditions set out in sections 5 and 6, and the Scoror does not have strong and articulable reasons to believe a Score has been obtained through methods other than legitimate Flappy Bird play by the Agoran player that submitted the Score, the Scorer shall certify that score after the end of the Submission Period, as described in section 2. The player with the highest certified Score is the winner of this Tournament, which shall be determined by the Scoror only after the certification of all legitimately submitted Scores. 8. Safety Valve When the Scoror determines the winner of this Tournament, that player (the player with the highest Score) immediately wins this Tournament unless the determined winner is the Scoror. If the determined winner is the Scoror, the Scoror may win this Tournament with Agoran Consent. If this happens each player SHOULD check if the Scoror's Score is indeed the highest score and if it is legitimate and complies with these rules, and if that is so, support the Scoror's intent to win this Tournament, and if not, object to this intent.
BUS: [CFJ] ¿Puedo realizar acciónes en español?
Yo transfiero una moneda a Agora. CFJ: En la declaración anterior, transferí una moneda a Agora. CFJ: In the above statement, I issued a Call for Judgement on whether I transferred a coin to Agora in the statement preceding that one. Caller's Arguments (first [attempted] CFJ): If the second CFJ is judged TRUE (arguments below), then the first attempted CFJ is, in fact, a CFJ. By the precedent set by the second CFJ, the first should then be judged TRUE. The only thing preventing it from being judged TRUE if the second one is also is the fact that when put into Google Translate, the word "moneda," intended to mean "coin," is translated as "currency." Because of this, I think that the outcome of this CFJ should probably be linked to the outcome of CFJ 3838. Caller's Arguments (second CFJ): Nothing in the rules states that statements of intent must be in English. Rule 478 states that a person performs an action by "unambiguously and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs it." Though not everyone may be able to understand Spanish, it is clear that the message is in Spanish, and, when translated online, the message unambiguously and clearly specifies the action. For this reason, I think that this CFJ should be judged TRUE. However, an argument for judging it FALSE is that Agora has, since its beginning, always been conducted in English. The actual statement itself in its current form, therefore, could be interpreted as being very unclear and ambiguous, since most readers will not understand its meaning without a translator. [There's a good chance this has been tried before, but I thought I would go ahead with it anyway. I opted not to try to use the Spanish for "Call for Judgment" because a) I'm not that good at Spanish and b) it would probably be more confusing. CFJ is an accepted standard abbreviation, so I decided to stick with that.]
Re: BUS: [Contract] The Needlessly Abstract Exchange
I become a party to the quoted contract below.
On 6/3/2020 12:25 AM, nch via agora-business wrote:
[snip]
{
Contract: Needlessly Abstract Exchange
Part I: Definitions
The Needlessly Abstract Exchange (also known as NAX) is a contract which
facilitates trading among Agorans by providing a fair third party to
manage assets mid-trade.
Any party to this contract is a trader. Any player CAN become or cease
to be a party to this contract by announcement.
The Exchange Manager is a title belonging to a specific trader. If there
is no Exchange Manager or the Exchange Manager would be an entity that
is not a trader, the entity that has been a trader for the longest
(continuously) becomes the Exchange Manager.
The Purse is an integer. If the value of The Purse is indeterminate or
ambiguous, it becomes 0.
An Order represents a trade. Orders have a Creater, a Fulfiller, Goods,
Fullfillment Conditions, and may have an Expiration Condition (if none
is specified, an order has no Expiration Condition). Goods is a list of
assets, and Fulfillment Conditions can be any text that describes or
could at some point describe any combination of assets, actions, or
other conditions. Orders may be closed, pending, or open and are open
when created.
Part II: Order Creation and Fulfillment
For every order a trader Creates or attempts to Fulfill, e must first
pay 1 coin to this contract (not as part of an order creation or
fulfillment) in the same message; otherwise it is INEFFECTIVE. For every
coin paid to the contract this way the Purse is increased by 1.
Any trader CAN create an order by paying any (non-zero) number of assets
to this contract, specifying Fulfillment Conditions, and optionally
specifying Expiration Conditions. E becomes the Creator of the order,
and all assets paid become the Goods of the order.
Any trader CAN attempt to fulfill a specified open order by
announcement, and by additionally paying any number of assets to the
contract, specifying any actions e does in the same message, and
specifying any other evidence e has successfully fulfilled the order.
The order becomes pending and e becomes the Fulfiller of the order.
PART III: Resolving Orders
For each pending order, the Exchange Manager SHALL, in a timely fashion
and by announcement, declare the attempt to fulfill Successful or
Unsuccessful. E SHALL only declare the attempt Successful if e believes
the Fullfillment Conditions have been met and SHALL NOT declare the
attempt Unsuccessful unless e believes the Fullfillment Conditions have
not been met.
When the Exchange Manager declares an attempt Successful, e CAN and
SHALL transfer the Goods of the order from this contract to the
Fulfiller and transfer any assets that were transferred to the contract
as part of the fulfillment attempt to the Creater of the order. The
order becomes closed.
When the Exchange Manager declares an attempt Unsuccessful, e CAN and
SHALL transfer any assets that were transferred to the contract as part
of the fulfillment attempt to the Fulfiller. The order becomes open.
PART IV: Annulling Orders
When the Exchange Manager believes that it would be impossible to
fulfill an open order or that the expiration conditions of an open order
have been met, e CAN and SHALL, in a timely fashion, Annul the order by
transfering all Goods to the Creater of the order. The order becomes
closed. When e does so, the Exchange Manager CAN transfer 1 coin from
this contract to the creater and SHOULD do so if e believes the reason
the order should be annulled was an error, such as a typo or
misunderstanding of this contract; if e does the Purse is decreased by
one.
The Exchange Manager CAN annul an open order without reason by
transferring 1 coin from this contract to the creater. E SHOULD NOT do so
unless the creater has made more than 2 orders in the last 7 days.
PART V: NAX Reports
Once a week the Exchange Manager SHALL publish a report. This report
SHALL contain a list of any outstanding orders and a list of any orders
that have closed in the last week. If it has been more than a week since
the last NAX report, this report SHOULD contain all orders that have
closed since the last such report. When e publishes such a report, e CAN
transfer X coins from this contract to emself, where X is the current
value of the purse. When e does so, the purse becomes 0.
PART VI: Election and Management
Any trader may elect any other trader to be the Exchange Manager,
replacing the current Exchange Manager, with X support where X is 1 more
than half (rounded up) of the number of traders.
The Exchange Manager CAN cap any trader who has created more than 2
orders in the last 7 days by announcement. A trader who has been capped
CANNOT create new orders for 7 days from when e made eir last order.
}
Re: BUS: Election Time
I support all of the below intents. On 6/2/2020 11:42 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: The rules say that anyone can start an election when a 90 days elapse. I intend to start an election for the following offices with 2 support Promotor ADoP Assessor Arbitor Registrar (Note: I would be happy to actually initiate and contest the Registrar and ADoP elections, at least one, so you should probably support those. The other intents are in case anyone else wants to)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8405-8408
I vote as follows: ID Author(s)AITitle --- 8405* Jason3.0 Generic private assets FOR 8406f Murphy 2.0 Remove churn PRESENT 8407e G. 2.0 no stinking auction definitions PRESENT. I like the idea of minifying rules but I just haven't looked at it closely enough. 8408* nch, [1] 3.0 Sets v1.4 FOR
Re: BUS: Prime Minister Election Attempt
I become a candidate for the prime minister election. On 6/6/2020 6:51 AM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: I initiate the said prime minister election and become a candidate On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 7:44 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:48 AM Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 11:42 PM Rebecca via agora-business wrote: Hey, nobody was biting at my attempt to elect other offices, but the prime minister election is also due (it has been 91 days). And surely everyone agrees we should elect that office as often as possible, right?? I intend with 2 support to initiate a prime minister election I support. In accordance with tradition, I will not run for a second consecutive term (well, the tradition is actually that we don't elect someone for two terms in a row, but same difference). I suppose it will be my successor who gets to exercise all of the interesting powers I'm about to give em. :) -Aris I support as well.
BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?
There's absolutely no way this will pass, but I'm going to try it
anyways. Aris, I don't remember exactly when the midweek distribution
deadline is, but don't worry about including this proposal in it.
I submit the following proposal:
Title: Bank Robbery
AI: 1.0
Author: ATMunn
Co-author(s):
Enact a rule entitled "Heists" with the following text:
{
At any time, any player CAN, by announcement, perform a Heist. Upon
doing so, e CAN transfer up to half of the coins owned by Agora, rounded
down, to emself. However, players MAY NOT perform a Heist. Doing so is
the Class 3 Crime of Robbery.
}
Re: BUS: [Thesis] On the Continuity of the Agoran Judicial System
I also support both intents. On 6/6/2020 11:49 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 6/6/20 11:48 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: Thank you, G.. I certify that the peer review process has occurred and intend, with 2 Agoran consent, to award G. the degree of Juris Doctor of Nomic. In case the title has been changed by the time I resolve this, I also intend, with 2 Agoran consent, to award G. the degree of Juris Doctorate of Nomic. I support both intents.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?
On 6/6/2020 11:56 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion wrote:
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:53 AM ATMunn via agora-discussion
wrote:
On 6/6/2020 11:34 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion wrote:
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:19 AM ATMunn via agora-business
wrote:
There's absolutely no way this will pass, but I'm going to try it
anyways. Aris, I don't remember exactly when the midweek distribution
deadline is, but don't worry about including this proposal in it.
I submit the following proposal:
Title: Bank Robbery
AI: 1.0
Author: ATMunn
Co-author(s):
Enact a rule entitled "Heists" with the following text:
{
At any time, any player CAN, by announcement, perform a Heist. Upon
doing so, e CAN transfer up to half of the coins owned by Agora, rounded
down, to emself. However, players MAY NOT perform a Heist. Doing so is
the Class 3 Crime of Robbery.
}
Doesn't this give a huge advantage to the Assessor? I like the general
idea and would be interested in experimenting with it, but this gives
a significant advantage to the Assessor and actually uses Agora. If we
were going to do this, I would prefer that we establish some entity to
hold the money separately.
How does it give an advantage to the Assessor? What am I missing?
E will have the first opportunity to do so and could do so as many
times as necessary to cause Agora to have no coins in the same message
in which e resolves the proposal.
Ah, okay.
I retract the proposal entitled "Bank Robbery."
I will think about it a little more and then propose a second version.
Re: BUS: [NAX] Bugfixing
I give my consent.
On 6/6/2020 2:30 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
I intend, with the consent of all other NAX members, to replace Part IV of the
NAX contract with the following
{
PART IV: Annulling and Refunding Orders
To annul an order is to transfer all Goods from the order to its
creater. When an order is annulled it becomes closed. Only an open order
can be annulled.
To refund an order is to annul an order and to transfer 1 coin from this
contract to the order's creater. When an order is refunded the Purse is
decreased by 1.
The Exchange Manager CAN annul an order by announcement when it would be
impossible to ever fulfill the order or when the expiration conditions
of the order have been met.
The Exchange Manager CAN refund an order:
* whenever that order could be annulled. E SHOULD do this instead of
just annul if e believes the order contains an error, such as a typo or
misunderstanding of the contract or rules.
* if the Creater of the order has made more than 2 orders in the last 7
days or the order is more than 30 days old.
Whenever an order can be annulled, the Exchange Manager SHALL in a
timely fashion either annul or refund the order.
}
I believe according to the contract rules, that I will be able to do so
immediately with explicit consent from the other party members.
BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Notary Election Enters Next phase
I vote for myself. On 6/7/2020 6:16 AM, Rebecca via agora-official wrote: I, the ADoP, note that the Nomination Period for the Notary election is over. I initiate an Agoran Decision to select the winner of this election. The voting method is instant run-off, the valid options are the candidates for this election (these candidates include R. Lee and ATMunn, but others may join while the election is still ongoing), the vote collector is the ADoP and the quorum is 8. I note that I do not wish to stand for this election and am only a candidate because the rules make me. Please vote for ATMunn. I vote for ATMunn in this Notary election.
Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures
On 6/7/2020 12:31 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:07 PM nch via agora-business
wrote:
With the consent of all NAX members, I intend to append the following to the
NAX contract:
{
PART VII: Self Amendment
Any trader CAN change the text of the contract by announcement if e has
specified in an earlier message (published to a public Agoran forum) the
exact changes to make to the contract and has received explicit consent
(published to a public Agoran forum) to these changes from at least 1
more than half, rounded down, of all traders.
}
--
nch
I consent to this change.
I consent.
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430
I vote as follows: 8409* Aris 3.0 College of Letters, Arts, and Sciences FOR 8410e Aris 2.2 Promise Powers Patch FOR 8411p R. Lee 1.0 Contract Lawyers FOR 8412j R. Lee 1.7 Small Pledge Amendments AGAINST, apparently there's a bug 8413l Aris 1.0 Why Track Pendency? FOR 8414l Aris 2.0 Ministerial Reshuffling PRESENT 8415* Aris 3.0 Proposal Recycling Initiative FOR 8416* Falsifian, G., P.S.S.3.1 Identity theft protection act v1.1 FOR 8417l Aris, G. 1.0 PP [1] FOR 8418* Aris 3.0 Referenda PRESENT, I'm fine with the change but others seem to be against it. 8419f Aris 2.0 Executive Expansion FOR, seems interesting 8420f G. 2.0 Checks and balances FOR 8421e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation FOR 8422* P.S.S., [2] 3.0 No More Numbers! FOR 8423f P.S.S., G. 2.0 Removing Repetition FOR 8424l Aris, nch, P.S.S.1.0 Certifiable Patches PRESENT 8425j Aris 2.0 Impossibility Defense FOR 8426j Aris 2.0 Impracticability Defense FOR 8427j R. Lee 2.0 Slap on the wrist PRESENT 8428* Aris 3.0 Pending Pends PRESENT, I don't get the purpose of this one 8429j Aris 1.7 Why Limit Clemency? FOR 8430p P.S.S., G. 2.0 Silver Quill 2016 FOR
Re: BUS: Judicial Service [Attn. Arbitor]
[oh why not, I'm not very good at judging CFJs but I'll try anyways.] I also become interested in judging cases. On 6/9/2020 2:22 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: [People appear to be getting a tad overwhelmed by my endless stream of proposals (I was running out of ideas anyway), and I'd like to help out somehow, so...] I become interested in judging cases. -Aris
BUS: Re: DIS: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora
I really like how this report is done. Previous versions of the Reportor (including myself) were never as comprehensive as this. I transfer 5 coins to Falsifian. On 6/9/2020 1:27 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reportor/tree/master/weekly_summaries Report for the week of 2020-06-01..07: # Summary Welcome, Tyler! A very busy week. With nch's new "Sets" economy coming, there's a rush to submit proposals while submitting them is still free, leading the Promotor to perform an unusual second distribution within the week. Plenty of interesting ones, summarized in the sections below. nch creates the Needlessly Abstract Exchange in anticipation of the new economy, and the Dragon Corporation president promises new plans to come. Many proposals were adopted this week, including the office of the Webmastor (filled by nch), outlawing actions dangerous to Agora, and another attempt to fix auctions (with a wild auction experiment coming on its heels). Let's see if we finally get a working zombie auction. R. Lee seized the office of ADoP by deputizing this week, and many office elections are under way. What does negative karma mean? Is issuing blots a rebuke? Discussion on these and other topics, and on treating each other well, referenced in the "Honour, minor crimes, being nice to each other, gaming" section below. The Flappy Bird tournament isn't happening, but Agora's Birthday tournament is coming up, and it looks like it will be Diplonomic. On the subject of birthdays, happy birthday to Jason! Agora's scholarly traditions continue. G. transforms eir earlier arguments about the status of the ancient CFJ 7 into a thesis, and many rules questions are discussed in other threads, including one in Spanish. Some other topics this week: rules about player intent; choosing good terminology; continued discussion whether players should follow the rules (including bringing back a crime/infraction distinction). # Registrations * New player Tyler registers. # Voting and elections * ATMunn becomes a candidate for Notary, and R. Lee tries to withdraw but it's pointed out there's no mechanism for doing that. Voting begins. Threads: "Notary Election", "Notary Election Enters Next phase" * P.S.S. proposes to add a mechanism for withdrawing candidacy (thread: "Termination of Candidacy"). * R. Lee resigns as Notary. * R. Lee takes the office of ADoP from Murphy by deputisation, and initiates elections for Prime Minister, ADoP, and Webmastor. * The Prime Minister election was actually initiated before e took over ADoP; e also attempted to start elections for Promotor, ADoP, Assessor, Arbitor and Registrar, saying e's interested in ADoP and Registrar. Threads: "Election Time", "Prime Minister Election Attempt". * The current H. Prime Minister says e will not run for a second term, in accordance with tradition. * Due to a large number of proposals in flight, there are two proposal distributions this week. Voting begins on the following: * Proposals 8405-8408: * A small fix (8405) * Replace the Line-item Veto rule with a Cabinet Order. (8406) * After 8406 was composed, proposal 8400 repealed Line-item Veto. * Repeal auction definitions and defer the mechanism to the auctineer and Treasuror instead. (8407) * A new game / economy! (8408) * Proposals 8409-8430: * Fixes and other small changes (8410, 8412, 8413, 8415, 8416, 8417, 8422, 8423, 8428) * Academic reform (8409) * New patent title about contracts (8411) * Change ministry descriptions (8414) * Define a new term "Referenda" for proposal decisions (8418) * Define new executive orders (8419) but allow the Prime Minister to be recalled when that happens (8420) * Allow exchanging any 3 Cards for 1 of a specified type (8421) * Allow pending fixes without paying a Pendant (8424) * Decreasing or removing punishment in certain cases: (8425, 8426, 8427, 8429) * Back-award the 2016 Silver Quill (8430) * The decisions on whether to adopt proposals 8388-8404 are resolved. Adopted: * The office of the Webmastor (8388) * Strip old rule text including the Editor and Line-item Veto (8389, 8395, 8399, 8400) * Make crimes are punishable according to the rules at the time of the event (8392) * Allow late nominations to otherwise uncontested elections. (8393) * Ban zombies from office (8394; originally attempted in 8228) * Fix auctions (8396) * Define "to refer" (8397) * Outlaw doing things that would harm Agora if it were not for R1698, and introduce a new process for "high crimes" (8401, 8404) * Bring back Promises (8402) # History and Academics * R. Lee pledges a bounty for filling in all the gaps in the CFJ database in the years 2018 and 2019. Thread: "Pledge (attention COTC)" *
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
I vote as follows: 8431l Aris, ais523 1.0 Proposal Reward Trimming FOR 8432* Aris, Alexis, Falsifian 3.0 The Administrative State PRESENT, what exactly does this do? 8433p Aris, [1]1.5 Simpler Heraldry If the outcome of 8432 is ADOPTED, then I vote FOR; otherwise, AGAINST. 8434f Aris 1.0 Majoritarian Confidence FOR 8435f Aris, nch, Trigon1.0 No Confidence Isn't Personal FOR 8436f Aris 2.0 Stately Officiation AGAINST 8437l R. Lee, G. 1.0 Guilderoy Lockhart PRESENT 8438e R. Lee 1.0 Tailor Pay FOR 8439f P.S.S. 2.0 Termination of Candidacy FOR 8440j R. Lee, P.S.S. 1.7 0 blots patch PRESENT 8441e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation FOR
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
On 6/10/2020 10:24 AM, ATMunn wrote: I vote as follows: [snip] 8441e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation FOR I change my vote on proposal 8441, "Transmutation", to PRESENT.
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Prime Minister Election Voting Phase
As do I. On 6/10/2020 8:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 6/10/20 8:06 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: I vote [ATMunn, nch, R. Lee]. As do I.
Re: BUS: [NAX] Exchange Manager's Report (ATTN: Treasuror)
On 6/13/2020 9:28 AM, nch via agora-business wrote: Order 1 - Creater: nch - Goods: 20 coins - Fulfillment Conditions: "Transfer any card to NAX." I pay 1 coin to NAX and transfer a Justice Card to NAX in order to fulfill this order. Did I do it right?
BUS: CFJ 3847 found TRUE
Caller's Arguments: There's seemingly nothing stopping an impure person from Raising a Banner if eir ribbon ownership allows, even though e's prevented from winning. It's unclear whether the ribbon reset is a result of raising the banner on its own, or whether failure to win prevents the reset. Caller's Evidence: From Rule 2438/18 (Power=3) Ribbons: > While a person owns all types of Ribbon, that person can Raise a > Banner by announcement. This causes that person to win the game. > That person's Ribbon Ownership becomes the empty set. From Rule 2556/1 (Power=3) Penalties: > Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, an impure person CANNOT > win the game. Judge's Arguments: Since the statement in rule 2438 stating that a person's Ribbon Ownership becomes the empty set upon Raising a Banner is not conditional upon the preceding statement that e wins the game, one can happen without the other. Therefore, e CANNOT win the game due to the "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding" clause in Rule 2556, but eir Ribbon Ownership is still reset. As per the caller's arguments and mine, I find this CFJ TRUE.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3847 found TRUE
Cool. I claim a Blue Ribbon for my on-time judgment of CFJ 3847. On 6/13/2020 8:16 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 8:13 PM ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: Speaking of ribbons, do I have to wait at all or can I immediately claim a Blue Ribbon for this? You can do it immediately. -- ATMunn future notary here :)
Re: BUS: [LoAFER] I guess it's my turn
On 6/13/2020 9:13 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: On 2020-06-13 19:10, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: Parties to this contract should signal their own messages. They should also, if a message that should be signaled lacks signaling, reply to that message, signaling their own message and stating that the quoted message contains actions that should be signaled. Actually, before anyone else joins, I amend this contract by removing the final sentence of the quoted text. In full, it should now read: [snip] thank you for supplying the full new text after the amendment, much appreciated :) (fits in the spirit of the contract actually) Also, I become a party to LoAFER. -- ATMunn future notary here :)
BUS: [Ribbon] Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Notary Election
I earn an Emerald Ribbon for winning this election. On 6/14/2020 8:05 PM, Rebecca via agora-official wrote: I resolve the Agoran Decision for the election of the Notary. The quorum was 7, voting system was IRV. The first preference votes were ATMunn (8): R. Lee, PSS, Bogtil, Jason, Aris, Trigon, Falsifian, ATMunn R. Lee (0) Aris and Trigon voted to endorse ATMunn, who voted for emself. ATMunn won in the first round, I declare em the winner of this election, e is installed as Notary. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Prime Minister] Speaker Appointment! All Hail the Speaker!
I hail the Speaker. (what? the subject line told me to!) On 6/15/2020 5:17 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: A Proclamation WHEREAS the rules require the Prime Minister, upon the beginning of a new Round, to install a laureled player as Speaker; and WHEREAS the Honorable Herald has certified G.'s victory by installing em as Champion; THEREFORE, LET IT BE KNOWN that I now hereby appoint G., victorious and laureled, as the Speaker of Agora Nomic. ALL HAIL THE SPEAKER! IN WITNESS WHEREOF, whereunto I have applied my will and caused the Great Seal of Agora Nomic to be affixed. At agora-official, this fifteenth day of June in the Year of our proleptic Gregorian Calendar two thousand and twenty. Aris Prime Minister -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: DracoLotto
Oh alright. I transfer one Legislative Card to DracoLotto. On 6/17/2020 2:21 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:44 AM James Cook via agora-business wrote: I transfer one Legislative Card to DracoLotto. As do I. I'll probably close the pools tomorrow (so, at least ~12 hours from now). If anyone wants to get in or up their contribution, now would be a good time to do it. -Aris -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: Cleaning [attn. Rulekeepor]
I intend to clean Rule 2576 "Ownership" without objection, replacing "Department.." with "Department." [first sentence of the second paragraph] -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] ADoP election enters next phase
I vote for Murphy. On 6/19/2020 5:12 AM, Rebecca via agora-official wrote: I initiate the voting phase for the ADoP election. The voting system is IRV, the valid options are the candidates who are currently R. Lee and Murphy. The quorum is 9.0 (which is a lot so get 'em in). I vote for R. Lee and act on behalf of tcbapo to also vote for R. Lee. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: [Contract] We all need some bananas in our lives
This is such a stupid idea, but I'm doing it anyway. I create and consent to the following contract, entitled "The Institution of Banana Management": -- -=INTRODUCTION=- Welcome to the Institution of Banana Management (aka IBM). We are an organization created to suit all of your banana-related needs. If you are interested in becoming a member, please read on. -=MEMBERSHIP=- All parties to this contract are known as IBM Members, or simply Members. Any player CAN become a party to this contract (become a Member) by announcement. Any Member CAN cease being a party to this contract by announcement. The IBM Member who has been a Member the longest is known as the President of Bananas. -=TREES=- Trees are a class of assets, tracked by the President of Bananas. Each Tree has a particular size; sizes are small, medium, and large. Maturity is a switch of Trees with possible values of immature (default) and mature. Depending on its size, each Tree becomes mature a certain amount of time after its creation. Small Trees become mature after 2 weeks; medium Trees become mature after 4 weeks; and large Trees become mature after 6 weeks. -=BANANAS=- Bananas are a currency. They are produced by mature Trees. At the start of each Agoran week, each Member earns a number of Bananas according to the number of Trees of each size e owns: - For each small Tree, e earns one Banana; - For each medium Tree, e earns two Bananas; - For each large Tree, e earns three Bananas. -=PURCHASING & SELLING=- Any IBM Member CAN purchase a Tree at any time by announcement by transferring the required number of coins (the cost of that type) to this contract. Small Trees cost 10 coins; medium Trees cost 20 coins; and large Trees cost 30 coins. Upon doing so, a Tree of the specified type is created in eir posession. Banana Demand is an integer switch of this contract, tracked by the President of Bananas. At any time, a Member CAN sell any number of Bananas by announcement. To do so, e must own at least number of Bananas specified, and destroy them; e then CAN transfer a number of coins from this contract to emself equal to the number of Bananas destroyed times the current Banana Demand, so long as this contract owns that many coins. -=BANANA REPORTS=- Every week, the President of Bananas SHALL publish a Banana Report. This report contains the amount, type, and Maturity of Trees and amount of Bananas owned by all players that own any, as well as the current Banana Demand. The Banana Report also SHOULD contain a log of recent events relating to IBM. In the same message that e publishes the Banana Report, e CAN and SHALL update the Banana Demand. Upon publishing a Banana Report, the President of Bananas CAN transfer a coin from this contract to emself by announcement. -=AMENDMENT=- Any IBM Member CAN propose an amendment to this contract by announcement. Once at least one more than half (rounded down) of all Members have publicly announced their consent to the amendment, any Member CAN, by announcement, cause the terms of this contract to be amended in the way originally stated. If it has been at least 7 days since an amendment was proposed and fewer than the required number of Members have consented, the amendment is cancelled and cannot occur. -- -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: [Contract] We all need some bananas in our lives
On second thought... I destroy this contract. On 6/19/2020 4:25 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: This is such a stupid idea, but I'm doing it anyway. I create and consent to the following contract, entitled "The Institution of Banana Management": -- -=INTRODUCTION=- Welcome to the Institution of Banana Management (aka IBM). We are an organization created to suit all of your banana-related needs. If you are interested in becoming a member, please read on. -=MEMBERSHIP=- All parties to this contract are known as IBM Members, or simply Members. Any player CAN become a party to this contract (become a Member) by announcement. Any Member CAN cease being a party to this contract by announcement. The IBM Member who has been a Member the longest is known as the President of Bananas. -=TREES=- Trees are a class of assets, tracked by the President of Bananas. Each Tree has a particular size; sizes are small, medium, and large. Maturity is a switch of Trees with possible values of immature (default) and mature. Depending on its size, each Tree becomes mature a certain amount of time after its creation. Small Trees become mature after 2 weeks; medium Trees become mature after 4 weeks; and large Trees become mature after 6 weeks. -=BANANAS=- Bananas are a currency. They are produced by mature Trees. At the start of each Agoran week, each Member earns a number of Bananas according to the number of Trees of each size e owns: - For each small Tree, e earns one Banana; - For each medium Tree, e earns two Bananas; - For each large Tree, e earns three Bananas. -=PURCHASING & SELLING=- Any IBM Member CAN purchase a Tree at any time by announcement by transferring the required number of coins (the cost of that type) to this contract. Small Trees cost 10 coins; medium Trees cost 20 coins; and large Trees cost 30 coins. Upon doing so, a Tree of the specified type is created in eir posession. Banana Demand is an integer switch of this contract, tracked by the President of Bananas. At any time, a Member CAN sell any number of Bananas by announcement. To do so, e must own at least number of Bananas specified, and destroy them; e then CAN transfer a number of coins from this contract to emself equal to the number of Bananas destroyed times the current Banana Demand, so long as this contract owns that many coins. -=BANANA REPORTS=- Every week, the President of Bananas SHALL publish a Banana Report. This report contains the amount, type, and Maturity of Trees and amount of Bananas owned by all players that own any, as well as the current Banana Demand. The Banana Report also SHOULD contain a log of recent events relating to IBM. In the same message that e publishes the Banana Report, e CAN and SHALL update the Banana Demand. Upon publishing a Banana Report, the President of Bananas CAN transfer a coin from this contract to emself by announcement. -=AMENDMENT=- Any IBM Member CAN propose an amendment to this contract by announcement. Once at least one more than half (rounded down) of all Members have publicly announced their consent to the amendment, any Member CAN, by announcement, cause the terms of this contract to be amended in the way originally stated. If it has been at least 7 days since an amendment was proposed and fewer than the required number of Members have consented, the amendment is cancelled and cannot occur. -- -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Piracy
I do so as well. On 6/21/2020 2:30 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: I consent to The Plunder Partnership. I become a pirate. -Aris -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8442-8457
I vote as follows: 8442e G. 1.0 Barrel Barrel Badger Barrel ENDORSE G. 8443f G. 2.0 Term Limit AGAINST, I agree that traditions should not be codified 8444f Aris 2.0 Sedate Officiation AGAINST. Still don't get the point of this. What does "officially" in "officially timely fashion" mean anyways? Why can't it just be "in a timely fashion"? Removing the timely fashion part makes it even less clear. 8445* Aris 3.0 Easier Retitling FOR 8446e G., nch 1.0 Victory Auctions FOR 8447p CB 1.0 Rule Infancy AGAINST 8448* Aris, Alexis, Falsifian 3.0 Populist Administration ENDORSE Aris 8449p Aris, [1]1.5 Simpler Heraldry PRESENT 8450j G. 1.7 CFJ extensions FOR 8451p CB 1.0 HUMBLE AGORAN FARMER WINS THE GAME AGAINST 8452j P.S.S., Jason, Trigon1.0 Indictment Fixes ENDORES P.S.S. 8453p G. 1.0 win indirection PRESENT 8454j G., Jason, P.S.S.2.0 Judicial non-person fixes FOR 8455j G., Jason2.0 old judgements are good judgements FOR 8456p G. 1.0 namings FOR even though this is a joke because lol 8457f R. Lee, P.S.S. 2.0 CHILL BRO AGAINST. I don't mind the idea of "excess proposals" not granting rewards, but I don't like the idea that the Promotor can just get rid of them. [i remembered that endorse exists lol] -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Doubloon Redemption [attn. Treasuror]
As Notary, I can confirm that there are 7 parties to the Plundership.
I do the same as Jason in the quoted message below.
On 6/21/2020 9:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
Let N be the number of Doubloons in my possession (according to R. Lee's
math, 71).
I perform the following action N times: { Under the DOUBLOONS section of
the Pirate Plundership, I transfer 1 coin from the plundership to
myself, thus causing 1 Doubloon in my possession to be destroyed. }
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: [Proposal] let's at least put it out there
[Disclaimer: I am not personally in favor of this option. As it is, I
would vote PRESENT or AGAINST on this. But I want to get it out there so
that it can be voted on.]
I propose (but do not pend) the following proposal:
Title: the simple option
AI: 1.0
Author: ATMunn
Co-author(s):
{
Repeal Rule 2626 "Certifiable Patches".
}
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: is this too morbid?
I feel like I vaguely recall this being discussed at some point previously, but I thought I would go for it anyways. I initiate a Call for Judgement on the following statement: "If a player dies unbeknownst to all persons involved in Agora, e is still a person." Rule 869 states that Any organism that is generally capable of freely originating and communicating independent thoughts and ideas is a person. Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, no other entities are persons. If someone dies, e is no longer capable of freely originating and communicating independent thoughts and ideas; therefore, e is not a person. FALSE. ...but if nobody knows that e died, then e has to still be a person. We can't assume without proof that anyone is dead and declare em not a person. So PARADOXICAL? Maybe? -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
[attn Treasuror] Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran officer monetizes signature
I join SEAMSTRESS, transfer 3 coins to SEAMSTRESS, and specify the text "I LOVE SPAGHETTI" On 6/21/2020 9:14 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: On 2020-06-21 18:57, Reuben Staley wrote: This is not a signature suggestion defined by this contract (hereby abbreviated SEAMSTRESS) as it does not come from a party to this contract. Therefore, I cannot act on it. As the only member of SEAMSTRESS, I amend it so that it reads: [snip] (there are actions after this block) I amend SEAMSTRESS again so it reads as follows: - Players can join and leave this contract at any time. Any party to this contract CAN submit a signature suggestion by paying 3 coins to this contract and stating a short body of text no longer than 10 words. Trigon CAN by announcement and SHALL, within 4 days of the signature suggestion's submission, either approve or deny a signature suggestion. E SHALL NOT deny a suggestion unless the suggestion breaks one of the rejection criteria, which are enumerated at the end of this contract. When Trigon approves a signature suggestion, e adds the suggestion to eir signature which is included at the end of all of eir messages, then e transfers 3 coins from this contract to emself. When Trigon denies a signature suggestion, e transfers 3 coins from this contract to the player that submitted the signature suggestion. If assets were transferred to this contract by any mechanism not described above, Trigon CAN by announcement and SHALL within 4 days, transfer the coins to their owner before said transfer. Trigon is only obligated to keep each suggestion in eir signature for a period of two weeks. After that period elapses, e may remove the suggestion at any time. The rejection criteria are as follows: 1. The suggestion includes swear words. 2. The suggestion includes serious, intentional insult to a person. 3. The suggestion treats real-world and/or in-game issues lightly. 4. The suggestion is otherwise in poor taste. 5. The suggestion contains a sentence that could be interpreted as a game action. - I transfer 3 coins to nch. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE
I object. On 6/22/2020 10:51 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause the office of Prime Minister to become vacant. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: [NoH] Unspecified Honour
I publish the following Notice of Honour: +1 Agora (Agora has negative karma right now) -1 Unspecified Behavior (for being suspicious and mysterious and weird) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Contract: SNOCS (Simple, No-Opportunity-Cost Sets)
I consent to, and become a party to, this contract. On 6/28/2020 8:07 PM, omd via agora-business wrote: I agree to the following contract. Contract: SNOCS (Simple, No-Opportunity-Cost Sets) Pooling Cards refers to the following procedure: 1. A party collects 4 Cards of the same type as follows: E nominates a total of 4 Cards of the same type in any party's possession, which must include at least 1 of eir own Cards. Then e acts on behalf of the owners of those Cards (except emself) to transfer the Cards from them to emself. 2. E pays those 4 Cards as a set to get 10 Products. 3. E distributes the just-earned Products evenly as follows: If the 4 Cards consisted of 2 from em and 2 from a single other party, then e transfers 5 of the Products to that other party for a truly even distribution. Otherwise, e transfers 2 of the Products to the original owner of each of the Cards, for a total of 8 Products. As for the remaining 2 Products, e transfers each to the original owner of a random one of the Cards. For the purposes of the above paragraph, to transfer Products to oneself is to do nothing. The random choice shall be made following the guidelines in Rule 2505. Any party CAN at any time Pool Cards. - The other parties consent to that party acting on behalf of them as specified in the procedure, as long as (a) e attempts to perform all actions in the procedure, in order, in a single message; (b) e does not intersperse them with any other attempted actions; (c) in that message e labels the attempted actions as an attempt to Pool Cards, and (d) all of the actions would be successful assuming the aforementioned consent is given. Any player CAN join the contract by announcement; any party CAN leave the contract by announcement. Any party CAN remove another party from the contract without objection. Each party consents to the aforementioned membership changes. [ Comparison to other Card-related contracts: - Compared to CCCA: doesn't require giving up cards in advance in the hope of a future reward (hence "no-opportunity-cost"). - Compared to DracoLotto: avoids randomness whereas DracoLotto embraces it, which could be a plus or minus, depending on your preferences. - Compared to Dragon QuickExchange: better exchange rate; simpler, at the cost of fewer features. Also does not privilege the Dragon Corporation. ] -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: [Glitter] Happy Birthday!
Happy birthday, Agora! I award myself a Magenta ribbon. On 6/29/2020 10:02 AM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: Happy Birthday, Agora! I award myself Magenta glitter. - Falsifian -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: [Herald, attn: PM, Speaker] Long Service Awards
On 6/29/2020 12:11 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: On 6/29/20 12:06 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: I support the intent regarding Trigon. I object to the intent regarding PSS as the award is not for eir service as Herald, it is for Referee. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:04 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: To the Honorable Associate Director of Personnel, the Honorable Jason and the Agoran Public, the Honorable Herald replies thusly: WHEREAS the Honorable Associate Director of Personnel has identified an individual eligible for Long Service Awards; WHEREAS the Honorable Jason has identified a previous officeholder who served meritoriously; WHEREAS the Honorable Associate Director of Personnel has certified that these candidates have effectively and fully executed the duties of their offices for the durations recommended; and WHEREAS the Honorable Herald is empowered to award these awards with Agoran Consent; LET IT BE KNOWN that the Honorable Herald intends with 2 Agoran Consent to award to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus the patent title of "Long Service Award" in the class of "Three Months" for eir meritorious service as Herald; LET IT BE FURTHER KNOWN that the Honorable Herald intends with 2 Agoran Consent to award to Trigon the patent title of "Long Service Award" in the class of "Twelve Months" for eir meritorious service as Rulekeepor; LET IT BE FURTHER KNOWN that the Honorable Herald thanks the Honorable Associate Director of Personnel and the Honorable Jason for eir recommendation; LET IT BE FURTHER KNOWN that the Honorable Herald petitions and instructs the Right Honorable Speaker and the Right Honorable Prime Minister to express their opinions on each of the above intents in fulfillment of their ceremonial duties and in the spirit of Rule 2581. In WITNESS WHEREOF, whereunto I have applied my will and caused the Seal of the Office of the Herald to be affixed. At agora-official, this great Agoran Birthday, the twenty-ninth day of June in the Year of our Agoran Calendar two thousand and twenty. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus Herald -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth Yes, that is correct; I think I got it confused because of the subject: I won't resolve that intent. I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to award to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus the patent title of "Long Service Award" in the class of "Three Months" for eir meritorious service as Referee. I support this intent and the intent regarding Trigon. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: [ATTENTION PIRATES: IMPORTANT]: Recordkeeping Parley
i got pinged on discord to consent so
I consent to the below Parley.
On 6/29/2020 1:52 PM, Becca Lee via agora-business wrote:
I propose this following Parley (reminder, Parleys need 2/3s to pass and
there are 9 pirates, Cuddlebeam, nch, R. Lee, P.S.S., Bögtil, Jason,
Falsifian, Aris and ATMunn. So we need 6 of those).
{Insert a new heading to the end of the Pirate Partnership Contract named
"Recordkeeping" and below that heading add the text "R. Lee is the
recordkeepor of doubloons. Any doubloons that existed before the addition
of this section are hereby destroyed}
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Regulations v1.1
On 6/29/2020 6:07 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 17:22, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: I intend, Without 3 Objections, to enact the following — modified from previous Birthday regulations and a variety of rulesets for Diplomacy, primarily those of EPCC [0] and the official rules [1] and corrected according to feedback — as the regulations for this year's Birthday Tournament. Thanks, looks great! I object to your intent to enact the previous version (but support your intent to enact this version). - Falsifian I do the same. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8459-8472
I vote as follows: 8459* Jason, [1] 3.0 Talismans FOR 8460* G., ais523 3.0 UV-G Sunblock FOR 8461l R. Lee, Aris 2.0 Redoing Adopted Proposals FOR 8462* Jason, Falsifian 3.0 Fee-based methods FOR 8463* Jason3.0 Future-proofing black ribbons FOR 8464j R. Lee 1.0 You can certify, but you can't win ever! AGAINST 8465j Jason, P.S.S.1.0 Public defense FOR 8466l ATMunn 1.0 the simple option PRESENT 8467e Jason, Trigon2.0 Talismans auction patch FOR 8468* Jason, nch, G. 3.0 Decision resolution patch FOR 8469f Aris, [1]2.0 Bureaucratic Reengineering FOR 8470l nch, G., Trigon 1.0 Sponsored Proposals FOR. I personally think this is the best solution to the problem. 8471j R. Lee, Aris 1.7 Only the PM can be arbitrary! FOR 8472p Aris 2.0 Welcoming Back Outlaws, etc. FOR
BUS: CFJ 3860 judged FALSE
After some feedback (mainly from G., thank you!) and after looking at prior cases, I have finished my final arguments for CFJ 3860. It's ended up being way longer than I ever intended, but I'm satisfied with it. It's my first real time doing a case of this scale. Even if it turns out my arguments are terrible and it gets reconsidered, I'm glad I put the effort into it. Without further ado, I deliver the following judgement: === CFJ: “G. cast a valid ballot on Proposal 8458.” Judge's Arguments: tl;dr: Hiding a ballot 500 lines into a report with no indication that there's a ballot there is not very "clear"; precedent sort of agrees but the situations weren't to the same extreme. FALSE. Judge's Actual Arguments: In the message in question, G. attempted to vote on Proposal 8458. E quoted the (very long) Herald's report, with the following text on lines 574-576: This is a break in the quoted portion of this message. I, G., vote FOR the referendum on Proposal Eight Four Five Eight. You are now returned to the quoted portion of this message. It was clearly intended to be hidden so as to not be noticed by the average player. The message also contained an obvious Notice of Honour at the top. Unless a player is suspecting something, e would likely see that and assume there were no other actions in the message. As per the caller's arguments and prior discussion, this obviously does not constitute a conspicuous attempt at voting. The question, then, is whether it is "clear." In fact, this is really the only question involved, as the Agoran rules for submitting a ballot do not actually use the word "conspicuous." The conditions for publishing a valid ballot, from rule 683, are as follows: 1. The ballot is submitted during the voting period for the decision. 2. The entity casting the ballot (the voter) was, at the initiation of the decision, a player. 3. The ballot clearly identifies the matter to be decided. 4. The ballot clearly identifies a valid vote, as determined by the voting method. 5. The ballot clearly sets forth the voter's intent to place the identified vote. 6. The voter has no other valid ballots on the same decision. #1-#4 and #6 are all satisfied without question. The issue is #5. Did G. clearly set forth eir intent to place the identified vote? This comes down to the definition of "clear" again. From the caller's arguments: "For example, Google’s dictionary definition of “clear” is: 1. easy to perceive, understand, or interpret. However, the ballot in question went out of its way to make it hard for players to perceive it, or understand or interpret that it was a ballot." The message certainly did try to make it hard for players to perceive it. One could disagree with the second half of the statement, as it is easy to understand and interpret that it was a ballot - but only if it is perceived. Let us look at another definition of clear. Merriam-Webster defines "clear" the following way: 3 a : easily heard "a loud and clear sound" b : easily visible : plain "a clear signal" c : free from obscurity or ambiguity : easily understood : unmistakable "a clear explanation" The ballot is certainly not easily visible or plain. It is not free from obscurity, nor is it unmistakable. Even if you were to disagree and claim that the ballot complies with some parts of or some definitions of clear, one would agree that does not satisfy enough of the definition to truly be clear. Concerning the second piece of evidence provider by the caller (see below): I would say that it is over-exaggerating the situation somewhat, but it gets the point across. A notice, however clear the notice itself may be, if it is hidden in an obscure place, does not do much good at all. If Arthur had said, somewhere visible to all, "hey, I put a notice on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard,'" though it would be inconvenient, the notice would have still been useful. Likewise, if G. had placed a piece of text near the top of the message saying something to the effect of "there is a ballot lower down in this message," then despite the text being hidden, it would be easily understood that one should look there, therefore it would be clear. However, e made no such mention (that would have defeated the purpose of eir ballot). We should, however, look at precedent before jumping to conclusions. To my knowledge, there are 3 prior CFJs dealing with this type of issue, those being CFJs 3667, 3670, and 3676. In CFJ 3667 [3], after a self-filed Motion to Reconsider due to a misunderstanding, judge G. found that an action taken inside a
[Glitter] Re: BUS: CFJ 3860 judged FALSE
I award myself blue glitter for this timely judgement. On 7/3/2020 4:45 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: Without further ado, I deliver the following judgement: -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Regulations v1.1
I enter the contest, becoming a Contestant. On 7/3/2020 6:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: I resolve the below intent, enacting and promulgating the below regulations. On 6/29/20 1:22 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: I intend, Without 3 Objections, to enact the following — modified from previous Birthday regulations and a variety of rulesets for Diplomacy, primarily those of EPCC [0] and the official rules [1] and corrected according to feedback — as the regulations for this year's Birthday Tournament. 0. P.S.S. CANNOT win this Tournament or become a Contestant. P.S.S. is the Gamemaster and Judge of this game. 1. Until July 7 or 7 days after the promulgation of these regulations, whichever is later, any person CAN enter the contest (becoming a Contestant) by announcement, acting as emself, as long as no more than six other persons have already done so. 2. The Gamemaster CAN cause any person to cease to be a Contestant by announcement. The Gamemaster CAN cause any consenting person to become a Contestant by announcement. The Gamemaster CAN, by announcement, amend the gamestate by substituting one Contestant into all instances of another Contestant. If fewer than seven persons have become Contestants, the Gamemaster CAN replace the text of these regulations with appropriate regulations for a Nomic-inspired game, such as FRC, an experimental Nomic, or a sub-Nomic. The Gamemaster CAN amend the text of these regulations arbitrarily in order to prevent breaches of Agoran custom or rules. The Gamemaster SHOULD NOT take any actions permitted by this section unless it is in the best interests of the game. 3. When all contestants except one have been eliminated from the contest, the victor is the last contestant remaining. The judge SHALL then, with 2 days notice, announce them as winners, whereupon they win the tournament and the tournament is concluded. If the judge believes that more than one person is deserving of the win, e CAN announce them all as winners. The judge SHOULD award a badge to all participants in the Tournament, broadly construed, after the conclusion of the Tournament unless it has not been completed in a satisfactory manner. 4. The judge is the final arbitor on matters of this tournament, and eir decisions can be overturned if and only if a CFJ finds eir decisions were made with arbitrary or capricious disregard for the terms of these regulations. The judge shall adjudicate these regulations in an equitable manner, with emphasis placed on the intent of the clauses and the fair treatment of all parties. 5. Sections numbered 0 through 5 CANNOT be amended except according to the procedures established by Section 2 or the rules of Agora. 6. The game SHALL be conducted on a map mechanically indistinguishable from that appearing at [2]. The Gamemaster SHALL assign Great Powers to Contestants according to an equitable and random method. 7. Contestants may seek the assistance of non-Contestants. If any do so, they SHALL notify the Judge and publicly announce the identities of any such non-Contestants and what assistance they will provide. This could include negotiating on eir behalf, providing feedback on orders, or drafting proposals on eir behalf. 8. At any time, any Contestant CAN submit a Proposal to change these regulations by announcement. Any Contestant CAN withdraw any Proposal e has submitted by announcement. When a Proposal has been submitted but not withdrawn, any Contestant other than the Proposer CAN privately send a vote to the Judge. When a Proposal has received a number of non-withdrawn votes in favor greater than half the number of Contestants, the Judge SHALL, in a timely fashion, and CAN enact the proposal by publishing the new text of the regulations and the number of votes in favor and against. The Judge SHALL NOT reveal the votes of specific Contestants. 9. If in the past three game-years, no province has changed ownership, the Gamemaster CAN declare the game a draw, with 2 days notice, concluding the Tournament and announcing all remaining Contestants as winners. 10. Contestants SHALL NOT offer favors outside of this Tournament in order to influence the outcome of it. Contestants CAN and SHOULD lie and engage in deceit for personal gain. Contestants SHALL not make pledges, promises, or contracts about the game. 11. There are two types of units: Armies and Fleets. 12. All units have the same strength. 13. There can only be one unit in a province at a time. 14. At the start of the game, each Great Power controls three supply centers, with the exception of Russia, which controls four. These are allocated according to the table shown in the official rules. 15. At the beginning of each turn, there is a period, lasting from 0:00 UTC until 24:00 UTC on the same calendar day, in which negotiations should occur. Following this, there is a period until 12:00 UTC on the following day, during which orders CAN b
Re: BUS: Registration - Fred
Welcome, Fred! I cause Fred to receive a Welcome Package if e has not received one already. On 7/3/2020 7:00 PM, Ca B via agora-business wrote: I register. My preferred name is Fred. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: [Pledge] Contract Summaries
I pledge to transfer 3 coins to every person who submits a 1-2 sentence summary of a contract e is party to. If a person submits summaries for multiple contracts, I will transfer 3 coins for every contract e submitted a summary for. Multiple summaries for the same contract do not count. The time window for this pledge shall be 14 days. The title of this pledge shall be "Contract Summaries". -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
[@Treasuror] Re: BUS: [Pledge] Contract Summaries
On 7/4/2020 1:27 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 7/4/20 1:08 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I pledge to transfer 3 coins to every person who submits a 1-2 sentence summary of a contract e is party to. If a person submits summaries for multiple contracts, I will transfer 3 coins for every contract e submitted a summary for. Multiple summaries for the same contract do not count. The time window for this pledge shall be 14 days. The title of this pledge shall be "Contract Summaries". I submit the following summary for AAA: AAA provides a way for contracts to allow penalties above the Class-2 crime provided by the rules. Accusations are made by parties to opted-in contracts, assigned to independent Arbitrators by the Head Arbitrator, and then resolved either by dismissing them or by granting blots to the perp. Thank you! I transfer 3 coins to Jason. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: [Proposal, not pended] Warmer Welcomes
I submit (but do not pend) the following proposal:
Title: "Warmer Welcomes"
AI: 1.0
Author: ATMunn
Co-author: nch
{
Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing the sentence that reads:
"When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and one of
each type of Card defined in the rules."
with the following:
"When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 25 coins and one of
each type of Card defined in the rules.
Create 15 coins in the possession of every player who received a Welcome
Package for the first time in the past 30 days before this proposal was
adopted.
}
[This came from a discussion on Discord in which nch mentioned that the
current 10 coin welcome packages really don't help that much. 25 may
still be on the low side, but I think it's a lot better. I added in the
last clause because I felt it unfair to the players who just recently
registered to get the lesser Welcome Packages. It would be as if they
were cheated out of those coins just because they wanted to start
playing the game. The "for the first time" should stop any extra coins
going to the scammers if somehow it turns out the scam was successful.]
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: [NAX] [@Treasuror] Shutting down for now
On 7/6/2020 2:49 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: The NAX needs some reworks to be easier to use. I'm not entirely sure when I will get to that so I'm going to close the exchange and submit a new version later. I intend to, with the consent of the members of the NAX to destroy it. The current members according to the most recent notes are: nch, PSS, ATMunn, and Jason. I can't annul the two orders so I'm just gonna fulfill my own orders as follows: I pay 2 coins to the NAX. The purse is now 2. I transfer 1 pendant to NAX to fulfill order 3. As Exchange Manager I rule this successful and transfer 1 pendant and 10 coins from NAX to me. I transfer 1 pendant to NAX to fulfill order 4. As Exchange Manager I rule this successful and transfer 1 pendant and 10 coins from NAX to me. I consent. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] More Pledge Destruction
On 7/6/2020 4:01 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: I object to the "Treasure" promise transfer intent (pls separate personal business from official business, either by marking or separate messages). -G. sorry, I put it in here to try to sneak it past everybody. I pledge not to include anything other than official duties in the same message any official duties. This pledge shall be called "Honest officiating" and shall have a time window of 6 months. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
On 7/6/2020 8:01 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: On 7/6/2020 4:56 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: Whereas the Lost and Found Department owns no cards or products, the lots of this auction are as follows: (1) a new Victory Card. I bid 11 coins. -G. I bid 20 coins. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
I bid 31.4159 coins. On 7/7/2020 9:08 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I bid 31 coins On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:05 PM N. S. via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: I bid 30 coins On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Reuben Staley via agora-official < agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 2020-07-06 17:56, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: Having been authorized by Rule 2629/0, which is entitled "Victory Auctions" and reads, in part: The Treasuror CAN conduct an auction (a "victory auction") if no victory auction is ongoing. The Treasuror MUST do so at least once a month, and SHOULD do so at least twice each month. I, Trigon, the Treasuror of Agora Nomic, hereby initiate an auction. Whereas the Lost and Found Department owns no cards or products, the lots of this auction are as follows: (1) a new Victory Card. This auction will be held in the official currency of Agora, coins. For this auction, I will adhere to the restrictions described by the second draft of my Forward Auction regulations, enumerated below: As an aside, this auction is very much a trial run. I meant to add this bit to the text, so I'll just bring it up now. Unless anyone has any major objections, I plan on nulling any bids that exploit loopholes in these rules or are generally unfair play. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this -- From R. Lee -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
I bid 35 coins. On 7/7/2020 11:34 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I bid 31.42 coins On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:00 PM ATMunn via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: I bid 31.4159 coins. On 7/7/2020 9:08 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I bid 31 coins On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:05 PM N. S. via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: I bid 30 coins On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Reuben Staley via agora-official < agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 2020-07-06 17:56, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: Having been authorized by Rule 2629/0, which is entitled "Victory Auctions" and reads, in part: The Treasuror CAN conduct an auction (a "victory auction") if no victory auction is ongoing. The Treasuror MUST do so at least once a month, and SHOULD do so at least twice each month. I, Trigon, the Treasuror of Agora Nomic, hereby initiate an auction. Whereas the Lost and Found Department owns no cards or products, the lots of this auction are as follows: (1) a new Victory Card. This auction will be held in the official currency of Agora, coins. For this auction, I will adhere to the restrictions described by the second draft of my Forward Auction regulations, enumerated below: As an aside, this auction is very much a trial run. I meant to add this bit to the text, so I'll just bring it up now. Unless anyone has any major objections, I plan on nulling any bids that exploit loopholes in these rules or are generally unfair play. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this -- From R. Lee -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Pledge] Contract Summaries
On 7/7/2020 5:04 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-04 11:08, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I pledge to transfer 3 coins to every person who submits a 1-2 sentence summary of a contract e is party to. If a person submits summaries for multiple contracts, I will transfer 3 coins for every contract e submitted a summary for. Multiple summaries for the same contract do not count. The time window for this pledge shall be 14 days. The title of this pledge shall be "Contract Summaries". Summaries for Secret Contracts 1-6: "It's a secret to everybody" 18 coins please! *sigh* I transfer 18 coins to Trigon. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Pledge] Contract Summaries
On 7/7/2020 5:15 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: On 2020-07-07 15:08, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: On 7/7/2020 5:04 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: On 2020-07-04 11:08, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I pledge to transfer 3 coins to every person who submits a 1-2 sentence summary of a contract e is party to. If a person submits summaries for multiple contracts, I will transfer 3 coins for every contract e submitted a summary for. Multiple summaries for the same contract do not count. The time window for this pledge shall be 14 days. The title of this pledge shall be "Contract Summaries". Summaries for Secret Contracts 1-6: "It's a secret to everybody" 18 coins please! *sigh* I transfer 18 coins to Trigon. I transfer 18 coins back to ATMunn. (Sorry, I just had to.) :) Okay. In all seriousness, here are some real summaries: LoAFER: "Officers' lives are hard sometimes, but we can make them easier. Parties to this contract follow a few practices to simplify officering." SEAMSTRESS: "With this stupid contract, you can buy space in Trigon's signature at the end of every message. What could possibly go wrong?" I transfer 6 coins to Trigon. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: [Contract] Public Lockers
I've noticed a few people making "locker" contracts for themselves to
hold their assets. I thought it might be nice to have one contract that
everyone can use instead of everybody making their own contracts. Let me
know if there's any issues with the wording here.
I create, consent to, and become a party to the following contract,
entitled "The Bank":
{
Any person CAN become a party, or cease to be a party, to this contract
by announcement.
When a person transfers any number of assets to this contract, those
assets are considered to be in eir account. A party to this contract CAN
transfer any number of assets from eir account to emself. Attempts to
transfer more assets to emself than are in eir account are INEFFECTIVE.
The person who has been party to this contract the longest is known as
the Bankor. The Bankor SHOULD publish the contents of all accounts in a
report weekly.
Any party to this contract CAN propose an amendment to this contract by
announcement. Once all parties have publicly consented to that
amendment, then the person who proposed the amendment CAN cause this
contract's text to be modified in the way specified originally by
announcement.
This contract CANNOT be destroyed if any person has assets in eir
account.
}
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] Public Lockers
On 7/7/2020 6:05 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
On 7/7/20 6:02 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:
When a person transfers any number of assets to this contract, those
assets are considered to be in eir account. A party to this contract CAN
transfer any number of assets from eir account to emself. Attempts to
transfer more assets to emself than are in eir account are INEFFECTIVE.
The most important part of the existing locker contracts are the "acting
as emself" clauses, which means that nobody can steal assets from the
contract, even if they could steal assets from the person emself. This
contract does not appear to have such a clause.
Ah, right. Good point.
Being the only party to this contract, I amend the second paragraph to read:
{
When a person transfers any number of assets to this contract, those
assets are considered to be in eir account. A party to this contract
CAN, acting as emself, transfer any number of assets from eir account to
emself. Attempts to transfer more assets to emself than are in eir
account are INEFFECTIVE.
}
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Victory Auction: July 2020
I bid 40 coins. On 7/7/2020 6:53 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: I bid 37 coins On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:02 AM Cuddle Beam via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: I bid 35.0001 coins On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:47 PM ATMunn via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: I bid 35 coins. On 7/7/2020 11:34 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I bid 31.42 coins On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:00 PM ATMunn via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: I bid 31.4159 coins. On 7/7/2020 9:08 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I bid 31 coins On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:05 PM N. S. via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: I bid 30 coins On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Reuben Staley via agora-official < agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 2020-07-06 17:56, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: Having been authorized by Rule 2629/0, which is entitled "Victory Auctions" and reads, in part: The Treasuror CAN conduct an auction (a "victory auction") if no victory auction is ongoing. The Treasuror MUST do so at least once a month, and SHOULD do so at least twice each month. I, Trigon, the Treasuror of Agora Nomic, hereby initiate an auction. Whereas the Lost and Found Department owns no cards or products, the lots of this auction are as follows: (1) a new Victory Card. This auction will be held in the official currency of Agora, coins. For this auction, I will adhere to the restrictions described by the second draft of my Forward Auction regulations, enumerated below: As an aside, this auction is very much a trial run. I meant to add this bit to the text, so I'll just bring it up now. Unless anyone has any major objections, I plan on nulling any bids that exploit loopholes in these rules or are generally unfair play. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this -- From R. Lee -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Secret Contracts
On 7/7/2020 7:27 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: On 2020-07-07 17:03, N. S. via agora-business wrote: I become a party to each of Trigon's secret contracts. Oh boy. A couple of these might take a while to fulfill, so sorry for that. I transfer 100 coins and 1 victory card to The Bank. I become a party to "Contract No. 5: DECK" and "Contract No. 2: POEM". -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: just a normal action
I cease to exist. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: Shiny Loot
On 7/7/2020 8:10 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: I intend w/o objection to transfer the "treasure" promise from the LF Department to the Plundership I object. This does not put me in Davy Jones' Locker, as this was not a transferal of coins: > Any person who has objected to a transferral of coins to the > Plundership are in Davy Jones’ Locker. A person in Davy Jones’ Locker > cannot become a Pirate, and they immediately cease to be a Pirate if > they already were one. If this intent succeeded, the promise would just sit there in the Plundership's ownership with no way to get it out. We could make a Parley to allow more types of assets to be transferred, but I don't know how distributing them among Pirates would work. Either way, I think a Parley should be made to put anyone who objected to a transferal of any asset, not just coins, in Davy Jones' Locker. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
[Parley] Stricter Tattle-Taling Rules (Re: @ Notary Pledge Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Loot)
Sounds good to me.
I submit the following Parley:
{
Amend the section "🏴☠️ NO TATTLE-TALES" by changing the phrase
"transferral of coins" to "transferal of assets".
}
On 7/7/2020 8:26 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:
Okay how about this
I intend to transfer omd's Treasure promise to myself from the Department
without objection. I pledge on pain of class 1 million crime that if this
intent succeeds, I will distribute X coins to each member of the
Plundership where X is the number of coins from that promise divided by the
number of members of the Plundership rounded down to the nearest integer,
then I will transfer any remaining coins to the Plundership.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:20 AM N. S. via agora-discussion <
agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
Distributing this promise would be easy because it's just 200 coins, which
we could Parley to extract from omd and then evenly distribute that.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:18 AM ATMunn via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2020 8:10 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:
I intend w/o objection to transfer the "treasure" promise from the LF
Department to the Plundership
I object.
This does not put me in Davy Jones' Locker, as this was not a transferal
of coins:
> Any person who has objected to a transferral of coins to the
> Plundership are in Davy Jones’ Locker. A person in Davy Jones’ Locker
> cannot become a Pirate, and they immediately cease to be a Pirate if
> they already were one.
If this intent succeeded, the promise would just sit there in the
Plundership's ownership with no way to get it out. We could make a
Parley to allow more types of assets to be transferred, but I don't know
how distributing them among Pirates would work.
Either way, I think a Parley should be made to put anyone who objected
to a transferal of any asset, not just coins, in Davy Jones' Locker.
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
--
From R. Lee
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: [Parley] Stricter Tattle-Taling Rules (Re: @ Notary Pledge Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Loot)
On 7/7/2020 8:43 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
On 7/7/20 8:38 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:
I consent to that Parley (10 parties, 6 to amend)
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:36 AM ATMunn via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
Sounds good to me.
I submit the following Parley:
{
Amend the section "🏴☠️ NO TATTLE-TALES" by changing the phrase
"transferral of coins" to "transferal of assets".
}
As do I.
[Almost forgot I need to consent as well.] I consent.
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: [Parley] Stricter Tattle-Taling Rules (Re: @ Notary Pledge Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Loot)
On 7/7/2020 8:45 PM, ATMunn wrote:
On 7/7/2020 8:43 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
On 7/7/20 8:38 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:
I consent to that Parley (10 parties, 6 to amend)
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:36 AM ATMunn via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
Sounds good to me.
I submit the following Parley:
{
Amend the section "🏴☠️ NO TATTLE-TALES" by changing the phrase
"transferral of coins" to "transferal of assets".
}
As do I.
[Almost forgot I need to consent as well.] I consent.
It was pointed out that this parley would kick me out of the Plunder
Partnership. I withdraw my consent from the Parley and also withdraw my
objection to the transferal of the promise.
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates life [Attn. Notary]
On 7/8/2020 1:59 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: Cuddlebeam is the sole member to this contract. After 24 hours have passed since this instance of this contract has been created, a copy of this contact (a new instance of it) is made. Cuddlebeam consents and agrees with themselves that these new contracts are made in this specific way. I'd like to point out that this says "a copy of this *contact*", not contract. I know our custom tends to be that typos don't matter if you know what the person meant, but this might be significant enough to break it. Sending this to a-b so it can be considered a gratuitous argument for the CFJ that will inevitably be called. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
BUS: [Diplonomic Proposal] Order Clarification
I submit the following as a Diplonomic Proposal:
{
Amend Diplonomic Rule 17 to read in full:
17. There are four possible orders: Hold, Move, Support, and Convoy. Not
giving a unit an order is interpreted as ordering it to hold.
A Hold order orders a unit to stay where it is.
A Move order orders a unit to move to a different province. Armies can
only move onto adjacent inland or coastal provinces. Fleets can only
move to adjacent water or coastal provinces. A Move order making use of
a Convoy must specify what Convoy paths it will use or conditionals to
determine such.
Support orders help another unit's action, whether or not it is a unit
of the same Great Power. An Army or Fleet can provide support to another
Army or Fleet. Support can be offensive or defensive. A unit cannot
support an order to or on a province which the supporting unit could not
move to itself.
A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army from
an adjacent coastal province to another adjacent coastal province.
Multiple fleets may be used to convoy the same army, allowing an army to
be convoyed over multiple water provinces. If any fleet involved in a
convoy is dislodged, the convoy fails.
}
[The Diplonomic Rules were somewhat unclear specifically about Support
and Convoys. I had to look up how they both worked. This should clarify
things as well as bring them in line with official Diplomacy rules. I
know the rules state that where they're unclear, the official Diplomacy
rules and/or common sense take over, but this should help to keep
everyone on the same page. I also separated each move into a separate
paragraph to help with readability.]
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)
Re: BUS: [Proposal & Pend Intent] Saving Sponsorship
On 7/10/2020 6:55 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:35 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: On 7/10/20 1:15 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: These proposals were pended using pendants. However, because the rules at the time did not render them sponsored, they did not become so. It is, in my opinion, an error that they were not rendered sponsored retroactively; as Promotor, I feel an obligation to mop things up, and this proposal would do so. I've checked the way the reward rules are phrased, and it looks like this should work. I submit the following proposal. For N from 2 to 5, I intend with N support to cause the following proposal to become pending. --- Title: Saving Sponsorship Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Aris Co-authors: Each of the following proposals is hereby rendered sponsored: - "Plain Old Bribery", by Jason - "Agora the karma bank", by G. I support. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth I, too, support I support. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)
BUS: [Proposal] Contract Charities version 3 or something
I submit the following proposal, paying a Pendant to cause it to become
sponsored:
Title: Contract charities
Co-authors: G., Falsifian, P.S.S.
AI: 1
Text:
{
[Comment: The original version was by G., then resubmitted by Falsifian,
then again by me. :) P.S.S. also suggested a minor change, so I included
em as a coauthor as well.]
Enact the following rule, Charities:
Donation Level is a natural switch for contracts, tracked by the
Notary, with a default of 0 and a maximum of 25. A contract with
nonzero donation level is called a Charity.
The Notary CAN flip a contract's donation level to a non-default
value with 3 Agoran consent. This SHOULD only be done if the
contract's provisions ensure that its funds received from Agora
will be used solely for the betterment of Agora. Any player CAN
flip a contract's donation level to 0 with Agoran consent.
Whenever a payday occurs, half of each charity's coin holdings
(rounded down) are destroyed, and then each charity earns a
number of coins equal to its donation level.
}
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)
BUS: [Diplonomic Proposal] Further Order Clarification
I submit the following as a Diplonomic Proposal:
{
If the previous Diplonomic Proposal submitted by ATMunn has not passed,
then amend Diplonomic Rule 17 by replacing the last sentence with the
following paragraph:
{
A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army from
one coastal province to another. All fleets that have convoy orders
listing the same source and destination provinces are "participating" in
that convoy, with the exception that if a fleet is dislodged, it is not
participating. A convoy is successful if the army in question makes a
move order consistent with that convoy, and the fleets participating in
the convoy form an unbroken chain connecting the two coastal provinces.
(Extra participating fleets / multiple chains are okay.) When a convoy
is successful, that army's move order, and any support orders for that
move, are interpreted as if the source and destination provinces were
adjacent: for example, if the destination province holds one unsupported
unit with a Hold order, and another army is supporting the move into the
destination, then the move succeeds and dislodges that unsupported unit.
}
If the previous Diplonomic Proposal submitted by ATMunn has passed, then
amend Diplonomic Rule 17 by replacing the last paragraph with the
paragraph above.
}
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)
Re: BUS: @Treasuror Weekly Doubloon Report
On 7/12/2020 6:11 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: On 7/12/20 1:49 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: I destroy my 12 doubloons in exchange for the plundership coins. As do I. I do so as well. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary, also Czar of Russia :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Coopor
On 7/12/2020 12:17 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Coopor election. The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options are the candidates (G. and R. Lee and anyone else who becomes one), and the voting method is instant runoff. I become a candidate, and vote [ATMunn, R. Lee, G.]. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary, also Czar of Russia :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476
I vote as follows: 8473p Jason, G.1.0 Plain Old Bribery FOR, might as well get the glitter 8474p G., omd 1.0 Agora the karma bank FOR 8475p Aris 1.0 Saving Sponsorship FOR 8476e^ ATMunn, [1] 1.0 Contract charities FOR -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears
On 7/12/2020 8:30 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
On 7/12/20 8:29 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
On 7/12/20 8:22 PM, Nch via agora-business wrote:
I consent to the following contract:
{
The Platonic Parrot
I see no prohibition on dual citirateship, so I join The Platonic Parrot.
As do I.
I join the Platonic Parrot, and cease to be a Pirate. (i.e., leave the
Plundership)
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
[@Treasuror] Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Chicago International Tribune
On 7/13/2020 4:41 AM, omd via agora-business wrote:
at 1:10 AM, Mysterious Figure via agora-discussion
wrote:
CHICAGO INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNE
I consent to the following contract, titled "I bet that was written by
G.", and transfer 25 coins to it:
{
1. Joining: If this contract has only one party, anyone CAN join it by
publicly consenting after transferring 25 coins to the contract.
2. Bet: omd CAN transfer coins from this contract by announcement. If
this contract has two parties, e SHALL do so only as follows:
- In a timely fashion after it becomes reasonably clear which person
sent a message titled "[Diplonomic 2020] Chicago International Tribune"
to agora-discussion on or about 13 July 2020 08:10, e SHALL transfer all
this contract's coins to emself if that person was G., or to the other
party otherwise.
- Alternately, if this contract has existed for at least 60 days, and
the identity of the aforementioned author is still not reasonably clear,
omd MAY transfer this contract's coins in a way that divides them as
equally as possible between the parties.
3. Termination: If this contract has no coins, omd CAN terminate it by
announcement.
4. Self-Dealing Encouraged: The aforementioned author SHOULD NOT
hesitate to join the contract emself if e sees fit to reveal eir identity.
}
I transfer 25 coins to myself from my account (i.e. from The Bank contract).
I transfer 25 coins to the contract "I bet that was written by G."
I consent to and join that contract.
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: [Notary] Contract Awards: Week 1
[Skip to the big "THE CONTRACT AWARDS" header if you just want to see the actual awards.] I create and consent to the following contract, entitled "The Contract Awards: The Contract]: -- Contract Points are a fixed, indestructible currency with ownership restricted to persons, tracked by the Notary. Once per week, the Notary SHOULD publish a list of all Contract Point balances. To award a gold medal to a person is to cause em to earn 3 Contract Points; to award a silver medal to a person is to cause em to earn 2 Contract Points; and to award a bronze medal to a person is to cause em to earn 1 Contract Point. If e has not done so already in the current week, the Notary CAN award gold, silver, and bronze medals. E SHALL NOT do so except in accordance with the following set of guidelines: 1. There are three award categories: Participation, Popularity, and Opulence. 2. The Participation Award shall be given to the persons who are party to the greatest number of contracts. 3. The Popularity Award shall be given to the persons who are creators of contracts with the greatest numbers of parties. 4. The Opulence Award shall be given to the persons who are creators of contracts with the greatest number of coins. 5. In each category, a gold medal shall be awarded to the single person who came in first place; a silver medal shall be awarded to the single person who came in second place; and a bronze medal shall be awarded to the single person who came in third place. 6. If two or more players would qualify for a gold, silver, or bronze medal in a particular category, no medal of that type shall be awarded in that category. The Notary is ENCOURAGED to publish the list of Contract Point balances and award medals soon after e publishes eir weekly report. If any person has at least 30 Contract Points, the Notary SHOULD award em the Terms of Service Patent Title. Unless the Notary deems that a particular person has created an exceptionally outstanding contract worthy of bypassing this system, e SHOULD NOT award any player the Terms of Service Patent Title for reasons outside of this contract. When a person is awarded the Terms of Service Patent Title, all of eir Contract Points are destroyed. Any player CAN become a party, or cease to be a party, to this contract by announcement. -- = THE CONTRACT AWARDS: WEEK 1 = Welcome, fellow citizens of Agora, to THE CONTRACT AWARDS! Each week, we award medals in several different categories: Participation, Popularity, and Opulence. Those who collect enough medals just might be able to win the grand prize: their very own Patent Title! For those of you in the audience, we have something for you too: if you think you have a good idea for a Contract Awards category, let us know and it might just happen! Well, without further ado, let the awards begin! [applause] First, we have the Participation Awards. This is for people who have joined many different contracts. Ironically, we actually only have a gold medal to award for this one this week. We'll still mention those tied for second and third place: Jason, Falsifian, nch, and omd are all members to 4 different contracts (that have at least 2 members). Well done to them! P.S.S., Trigon, and ATMunn are all members to 5 different contracts (that have at least 2 parties). Well done to them as well! But regardless, there's one person who has participated in far more contracts than anyone else. Being party to a whopping 11 contracts, I award the gold medal to... R. Lee! Let's give em a round of applause! [applause] Next, we have the Popularity Awards. This is for the creators of contracts with the most members. First, I award the bronze medal to... Trigon! E created the contract "LoAFER", which currently has 5 members. Congratulations Trigon! Next, I award the silver medal to... nch! E is the creator of the contract "The Platonic Parrot", with 6 members as of right now. (note: 7 are shown in the latest Notary report, however Jason left after the report was published) Congratulations nch! Finally, the gold medal goes to... Cuddlebeam! E has the incredible achievement of having created a contract with 8 members, even despite a rival contract. For the contract "The Plunder Partnership", I award the gold medal to Cuddlebeam. Let's give a round of applause for our gold medal winner this week! [applause] Last, but not least, we have the Opulence Awards. This one's pretty simple: it goes to people who created the richest contracts out there. It's worth noting that the Treasuror hasn't put out eir report yet this week due to the holiday, so the numbers may be slightly out of date. Regardless, let's get on with the awards. First, I award the bronze medal to... Cuddlebeam! As of the latest Treasuror report, eir contra
Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer makes a blind deposit and summarizies [attn. Treasuror, Notary]
On 7/13/2020 4:49 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I transfer all of my assets to my locker. This is the summary for Cuddlebeam's Locker: "A deposit of assets that only Cuddlebeam, acting as emself, can take from; as a protection against possible acting-on-behalf scams that may puppeteer them." I transfer 3 coins to Cuddlebeam for this summary. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears
On 7/12/2020 8:22 PM, Nch via agora-business wrote:
I consent to the following contract:
{
The Platonic Parrot
A party to this contract is also known as a Platonic Pirate. Any player
who is not currently Marked can join this contract by announcement. Any
player can leave this contract by announcement. When someone is
deregistered, e automatically leaves the contract.
If a Platonic Pirate objects to an intent to transfer assets to this
contract, e ceases to be a party to the contract. If a player has
objected to an intent to transfer assets to this contract in the last 7
days, e is Marked.
When the Platonic Parrot has assets, any Platonic Pirate CAN by
announcement divy them in the following way:
* Where X is the total number of coins owned by the Platonic Parrot and
Y is the number of Platonic Pirates, e transfers each Platonic Pirate
X/Y (rounded down) coins from the Platonic Parrot.
* If there are still coins owned by the Platonic Parrot, e transfer
emself all the remaining coins.
* If there are any other assets owned by the Platonic Parrot, e
transfers emself one of them of eir own choice.
* If there are still assets owned by the Platonic Parrot, e transfers
them to other Platonic Pirates such that no Platonic Pirate receives
more than 1 more asset than any other Platonic Pirate (excluding the
coins e gave emself in the earlier step). As long as this constraint
is met, e may choose who gets what assets.
This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of
2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates.
}
---
Nch
I propose the following amendment to The Platonic Parrot:
{
Replace the following text:
"This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of
2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates."
with the following:
"Any Platonic Pirate may propose an amendment to this contract by
announcement. If at least 2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates
have consented to the amendment, and at least 2 days have passed since
the amendment was proposed, any Platonic Pirate can cause this contract
to be amended in this way by announcement."
}
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
[attn. Platonic Pirates] Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears
On 7/13/2020 6:02 PM, ATMunn wrote:
On 7/12/2020 8:22 PM, Nch via agora-business wrote:
I consent to the following contract:
{
The Platonic Parrot
A party to this contract is also known as a Platonic Pirate. Any player
who is not currently Marked can join this contract by announcement. Any
player can leave this contract by announcement. When someone is
deregistered, e automatically leaves the contract.
If a Platonic Pirate objects to an intent to transfer assets to this
contract, e ceases to be a party to the contract. If a player has
objected to an intent to transfer assets to this contract in the last 7
days, e is Marked.
When the Platonic Parrot has assets, any Platonic Pirate CAN by
announcement divy them in the following way:
* Where X is the total number of coins owned by the Platonic Parrot and
Y is the number of Platonic Pirates, e transfers each Platonic Pirate
X/Y (rounded down) coins from the Platonic Parrot.
* If there are still coins owned by the Platonic Parrot, e transfer
emself all the remaining coins.
* If there are any other assets owned by the Platonic Parrot, e
transfers emself one of them of eir own choice.
* If there are still assets owned by the Platonic Parrot, e transfers
them to other Platonic Pirates such that no Platonic Pirate receives
more than 1 more asset than any other Platonic Pirate (excluding the
coins e gave emself in the earlier step). As long as this constraint
is met, e may choose who gets what assets.
This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of
2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates.
}
---
Nch
I propose the following amendment to The Platonic Parrot:
{
Replace the following text:
"This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of
2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates."
with the following:
"Any Platonic Pirate may propose an amendment to this contract by
announcement. If at least 2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates
have consented to the amendment, and at least 2 days have passed since
the amendment was proposed, any Platonic Pirate can cause this contract
to be amended in this way by announcement."
}
I consent to this amendment.
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Resolution of Victory Auctions of July 2020
On 7/14/2020 9:25 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: Resolution of Victory Auctions of July 2020 Pursuant to the regulations which I said I would follow, I publish this termination message for the most recent victory auction. First, here is a list of bids: -- Date Bidder Amount == 2020-07-07 00:01 Jason 1cn 2020-07-07 00:01 G. 11cn 2020-07-07 00:03 nch 2cn 2020-07-07 00:07 ATMunn 20cn 2020-07-07 00:34 nch 25cn 2020-07-07 08:21 Cuddlebeam 26cn 2020-07-07 13:04 R. Lee 30cn 2020-07-07 13:06 Cuddlebeam 31cn 2020-07-07 15:46 ATMunn 35cn 2020-07-07 22:53 R. Lee 37cn 2020-07-07 23:27 ATMunn 40cn -- As such, this auction ended at 23:27 on 2020-07-11. The awardees are as such: 1. ATMunn: 1 new victory card, which can be created in your possession by paying a fee of 40 coins. Thank you all for participating. I will tweak the rules and have another auction later. oh i won! I pay a fee of 40 coins to create 1 victory card in my possession. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Resolution of Victory Auctions of July 2020
On 7/14/2020 9:49 PM, ATMunn wrote: On 7/14/2020 9:25 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote: Resolution of Victory Auctions of July 2020 Pursuant to the regulations which I said I would follow, I publish this termination message for the most recent victory auction. First, here is a list of bids: -- Date Bidder Amount == 2020-07-07 00:01 Jason 1cn 2020-07-07 00:01 G. 11cn 2020-07-07 00:03 nch 2cn 2020-07-07 00:07 ATMunn 20cn 2020-07-07 00:34 nch 25cn 2020-07-07 08:21 Cuddlebeam 26cn 2020-07-07 13:04 R. Lee 30cn 2020-07-07 13:06 Cuddlebeam 31cn 2020-07-07 15:46 ATMunn 35cn 2020-07-07 22:53 R. Lee 37cn 2020-07-07 23:27 ATMunn 40cn -- As such, this auction ended at 23:27 on 2020-07-11. The awardees are as such: 1. ATMunn: 1 new victory card, which can be created in your possession by paying a fee of 40 coins. Thank you all for participating. I will tweak the rules and have another auction later. oh i won! I pay a fee of 40 coins to create 1 victory card in my possession. I forget if I actually have enough coins. I transfer all assets from my account to myself. If I have not successfully done so already, I pay a fee of 40 coins to create 1 victory card in my possession. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
@Treasuror Re: BUS: [Pledge] Contract Summaries
On 7/15/2020 5:15 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: On 2020-07-04 5:08 p.m., ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I pledge to transfer 3 coins to every person who submits a 1-2 sentence summary of a contract e is party to. If a person submits summaries for multiple contracts, I will transfer 3 coins for every contract e submitted a summary for. Multiple summaries for the same contract do not count. The time window for this pledge shall be 14 days. The title of this pledge shall be "Contract Summaries". Three more summaries (I think these aren't summarized yet): The Dragon Corporation: Founded by Warrigal in March 2020 with the purpose of making as much money as possible for its shareholders. Look for subsidiary Dragon contracts offering services. Dragon QuickExchange: Simple and fast card-to-product exchange, with an opportunity for unaffiliated traders to profit by converting in the other direction. Dragon Political Outreach: Provides a way for Officers to grant Cards to the Dragon Corporation. Thank you for the summaries! I transfer 9 coins to Falsifian. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: Pledge Shenanigans
I pledge to not say the word "tacos" in any context for the next 24 hours. The time window of this pledge is 24 hours and breaking the pledge shall be a class 1 crime. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge Shenanigans
On 7/16/2020 1:43 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/16/2020 1:42 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I pledge to not say the word "tacos" in any context for the next 24 hours. The time window of this pledge is 24 hours and breaking the pledge shall be a class 1 crime. I like tacos. CFJ: In the above message, I broke a pledge. Arguments: Though I did say the word I am forbidden to say due to the pledge, it was 1) not a public message and 2) not an action. So, FALSE would be logical. However, the pledge does say "in any context." Does that still make it binding, even outside of public forums? Evidence: Rule 2450/9 (Power=1.7) Pledges If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the pledge within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of Oathbreaking, where N is 2 unless the pledge explicitly states otherwise. It is also Oathbreaking for a player to let a pledge expire without taking an action e pledged to do in that pledge. The time window of a pledge is 60 days, unless the pledge explicitly states otherwise. A pledge ceases to exist at the end of its time window. If breaking the pledge harms specific other parties, the Referee SHOULD solicit the opinion of those parties in determining an appropriate fine. The Notary CAN destroy a pledge Without Objection, but SHOULD NOT do so unless the pledge no longer serves any significant purpose. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: [Ribbon] friendly neighborhood notary has done eir job responsibly
I award myself a Green Ribbon. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: CFJ 3868 judged FALSE
My CFJ judgement formatting is consistently inconsistent.
I deliver the following judgement on CFJ 3868:
=== CFJ 3868 =
The above-quoted message created an Agoran proposal.
Caller:ais523
Judge: ATMunn
Judgement: FALSE
Caller's Evidence: (The above-quoted message):
On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 16:02 +, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
> I submit the following Diplonomic Proposal, titled "Judicial Veto":
>
> {
> To the end of Rule 8, append: "If enacting a proposal would
> interfere
> with the Judge's ability to ensure the smooth running of the game in
> accordance with these rules, then e NEED NOT enact that proposal, so
> long as e publishes an explanation of the problem, and this
> exception
> overrides any requirement for em to enact that proposal."
> }
>
> (This also gives the Judge a way out if a proposal would make eir
> job very difficult.)
Caller's Arguments:
The quoted body of text appears to satisfy the requirements
to be a proposal in the Agoran sense, and its author has stated that e
is submitting it as a proposal; it was sent to a public forum, thus
appears to meet the requirements for acting by announcement (the
standard for creating a proposal). It is stated to be a Diplonomic
Proposal; however, I don't see any reason why a Diplonomic Proposal
can't also be an Agoran proposal, as this proposal appears to match
both sets of requirements.
Weighing against this is the fact that it obviously wasn't intended to
create an Agoran proposal. Is that relevant, when establishing whether
an action by announcement has occurred?
Judge's Arguments:
Let's first examine the rules involved here. The main rule involved is
Rule 2350, "Proposals":
A proposal is a type of entity consisting of a body of text and
other attributes. A player CAN create a proposal by announcement,
specifying its text and optionally specifying any of the following
attributes:
* An associated title.
* A list of coauthors (which must be persons other than the
author).
* An adoption index.
* A chamber to which the proposal shall be assigned upon its
creation.
By this definition, the only thing required for a proposal to be a valid
proposal is for it to have a body of text. Other attributes can be
added, but are not mandatory. The message in question clearly fulfils
the definition of a proposal. The true question is: Did Falsifian
"create a proposal by announcement"?
Let us return to our old friend, Rule 478.
Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform "by
announcement", that person performs that action by unambiguously
and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
it.
This is where the argument for TRUE falls apart. While I will not go
in-depth on the word "clearly", as I have done that previously and am
quite frankly tired of the word, I think that "unambiguously" is the key
here.
To better understand what is going on here, let us substitute the
definition of "by announcement" from Rule 478 into Rule 2350. Doing so
gives us this:
A player CAN create a proposal by unambiguously and clearly
specifying the action of creating a proposal and announcing that e
performs it, specifying ...
Falsifian did not unambiguously specify the action of creating a
proposal. E did unambiguously specify the action of creating a
Diplonomic proposal. That phrasing does, of course, contain the word
"proposal", but it also contains the word "Diplonomic", and the
Diplnomic rules clearly define a method of creating proposals associated
with Diplonomic. Though neither "Diplonomic proposal" nor "Agoran
proposal" are actually defined, the use of one word or the other clearly
designates which sense of "proposal" is to be used.
The fact that a CFJ was called in the first place indicates that it is
ambiguous as to whether e created a proposal, thereby failing the
definition of "by announcement" in Rule 478, thereby making it not a
proposal.
I judge CFJ 3868 to be FALSE.
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
[Glitter] Re: BUS: CFJ 3868 judged FALSE
I award myself blue glitter for this timely judgement.
On 7/17/2020 12:26 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:
My CFJ judgement formatting is consistently inconsistent.
I deliver the following judgement on CFJ 3868:
=== CFJ 3868 =
The above-quoted message created an Agoran proposal.
Caller: ais523
Judge: ATMunn
Judgement: FALSE
Caller's Evidence: (The above-quoted message):
On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 16:02 +, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
> I submit the following Diplonomic Proposal, titled "Judicial Veto":
>
> {
> To the end of Rule 8, append: "If enacting a proposal would
> interfere
> with the Judge's ability to ensure the smooth running of the game in
> accordance with these rules, then e NEED NOT enact that proposal, so
> long as e publishes an explanation of the problem, and this
> exception
> overrides any requirement for em to enact that proposal."
> }
>
> (This also gives the Judge a way out if a proposal would make eir
> job very difficult.)
Caller's Arguments:
The quoted body of text appears to satisfy the requirements
to be a proposal in the Agoran sense, and its author has stated that e
is submitting it as a proposal; it was sent to a public forum, thus
appears to meet the requirements for acting by announcement (the
standard for creating a proposal). It is stated to be a Diplonomic
Proposal; however, I don't see any reason why a Diplonomic Proposal
can't also be an Agoran proposal, as this proposal appears to match
both sets of requirements.
Weighing against this is the fact that it obviously wasn't intended to
create an Agoran proposal. Is that relevant, when establishing whether
an action by announcement has occurred?
Judge's Arguments:
Let's first examine the rules involved here. The main rule involved is
Rule 2350, "Proposals":
A proposal is a type of entity consisting of a body of text and
other attributes. A player CAN create a proposal by announcement,
specifying its text and optionally specifying any of the following
attributes:
* An associated title.
* A list of coauthors (which must be persons other than the
author).
* An adoption index.
* A chamber to which the proposal shall be assigned upon its
creation.
By this definition, the only thing required for a proposal to be a valid
proposal is for it to have a body of text. Other attributes can be
added, but are not mandatory. The message in question clearly fulfils
the definition of a proposal. The true question is: Did Falsifian
"create a proposal by announcement"?
Let us return to our old friend, Rule 478.
Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform "by
announcement", that person performs that action by unambiguously
and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
it.
This is where the argument for TRUE falls apart. While I will not go
in-depth on the word "clearly", as I have done that previously and am
quite frankly tired of the word, I think that "unambiguously" is the key
here.
To better understand what is going on here, let us substitute the
definition of "by announcement" from Rule 478 into Rule 2350. Doing so
gives us this:
A player CAN create a proposal by unambiguously and clearly
specifying the action of creating a proposal and announcing that e
performs it, specifying ...
Falsifian did not unambiguously specify the action of creating a
proposal. E did unambiguously specify the action of creating a
Diplonomic proposal. That phrasing does, of course, contain the word
"proposal", but it also contains the word "Diplonomic", and the
Diplnomic rules clearly define a method of creating proposals associated
with Diplonomic. Though neither "Diplonomic proposal" nor "Agoran
proposal" are actually defined, the use of one word or the other clearly
designates which sense of "proposal" is to be used.
The fact that a CFJ was called in the first place indicates that it is
ambiguous as to whether e created a proposal, thereby failing the
definition of "by announcement" in Rule 478, thereby making it not a
proposal.
I judge CFJ 3868 to be FALSE.
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: definitely not bribery
I pledge that when the proposal "Contract Charities" passes, if no votes were evaluated to AGAINST, I will transfer 100 coins to R. Lee. [For those wondering, I told R. Lee on Discord that I would do this if e voted for my proposal. The proposal would already pass, but if it passed unanimously, I would be able to claim an orange ribbon, which would give me enough to get a transparent ribbon. Though e did change eir vote immediately, I want to 1) live up to my word and 2) ensure e doesn't change eir vote at the last moment. 100 coins is a lot, and I'm not super happy about losing them, but to me, the long term investment is worth it. Transparent is one of the hardest ribbons to get, and if I don't take this opportunity now, it could be a long time before I can get it again.] -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: [attn. Treasuror] Re: BUS: A wild Ponzi scheme appears [attn. Notary]
On 7/17/2020 8:50 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
On 7/17/20 8:45 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
On 7/17/20 8:41 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
I consent to and create the following contract:
Being the only party, I amend the Ponzi scheme by appending the
following paragraph to Section 1:
{
If an investor's investment is less than or equal to 1, the
Administrator CAN by announcement remove em from the bread line.
}
I become a party to this contract and transfer ten coins to it.
I become a party to this contract and transfer two coins to it.
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: BUS: [@Platonic Pirates] Platonic Parrot Amendment
On 7/18/2020 3:03 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:
On 7/18/20 1:58 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:
{
Replace the following text:
"This contract may be amended by a Platonic Pirate with the consent of
2/3rds (rounded up) of all Platonic Pirates."
with:
"Any Platonic Pirate CAN propose an amendment to this contract by
announcement. If an amendment was proposed between 2 and 7 days ago,
hasn't already been applied, and at least 2/3rds (rounded up) of Platonic
Pirates have consented to it, then any Platonic Pirate CAN amend this
contract as described in the proposal."
}
I consent to the above amendment to the Platonic Parrot.
As do I.
--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: [Ribbon] transparency
I award myself black glitter. I award myself an orange ribbon for the adoption of Proposal 8476. As I have never owned one before, I award myself a white ribbon. I award myself a transparent ribbon (for Green, Blue, Black, Orange, White). that's ribbons!™ -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: [@Treasuror] being an honest person
On 7/19/2020 8:28 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I award myself black glitter. I award myself an orange ribbon for the adoption of Proposal 8476. As I have never owned one before, I award myself a white ribbon. I award myself a transparent ribbon (for Green, Blue, Black, Orange, White). that's ribbons!™ because of my pledge... I transfer 100 coins to R. Lee. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8477
I vote FOR Proposal 8477.
On 7/19/2020 7:48 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote:
PROMOTOR'S REPORT AS OF RIGHT NOW
I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it,
and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector
is the Assessor, the quorum is 8, the voting method is AI-majority, and the
valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
conditional votes).
ID Author(s)AITitle
---
8477e^ Jason1.0 More officer cards
The proposal pool contains the following proposals:
Author(s)AITitle
---
Murphy, R. Lee 3.0 Simpler ribbon switches
Murphy, CB 3.0 Clarify asset ownership
Legend: * : Democratic proposal.
# : Ordinary proposal, unset chamber.
e : Economy ministry proposal.
f : Efficiency ministry proposal.
j : Justice ministry proposal.
l : Legislation ministry proposal.
p : Participation ministry proposal.
^ : Sponsored proposal.
The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. Where
the information shown below differs from the information shown above,
the information shown above shall control.
//
ID: 8477
Title: More officer cards
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Jason
Co-authors:
Amend Rule 2624 (Card Administration) by replacing the final paragraph
(including the list) with the following:
{
The officeholder of an office CAN by announcement grant another player a
specified type of card, specifying that office, under the following
conditions:
* e has not done so in reference to that office in the current Agoran month,
* that office's interests includes the card's associated ministry,
* the player receiving the card does not hold an office with the card's
associated ministry in its interests, and
* the player receiving the card is not a zombie.
}
//
Title: Simpler ribbon switches
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Murphy
Co-authors: R. Lee
Amend Rule 2438 (Ribbons) by replacing this text:
Ribbon Ownership is a secured person switch, tracked by the
Tailor in eir monthly report, whose values are the subsets of
the set of types of Ribbon, defaulting to the empty set. If the
rules are amended to change the types of Ribbon, if a player's
Ribbon Ownership is subsequently illegal, then it is updated by
removing all nonexistent types rather than resetting the entire
value to default.
To "award a person a " is to add that type of Ribbon
to that person's Ribbon Ownership. A person "owns a "
if that type of Ribbon is an element of eir Ribbon Ownership.
with this text:
For each type of Ribbon, Ribbon Ownership is a secured
negative boolean person switch, tracked by the Tailor in eir
monthly report.
To "award a person a " is to flip that person's
Ribbon Ownership to True. A person "owns a " if eir Ribbon Ownership is True.
and by replacing this text:
While a person owns all types of Ribbon, that person can Raise a
Banner by announcement. This causes that person to win the game.
That person's Ribbon Ownership becomes the empty set.
with this text:
While a person owns all types of Ribbon, that person can Raise a
Banner by announcement. This causes that person to win the game.
When a person wins this way, for each type of Ribbon, that
person's Ribbon Ownership is flipped to False.
For each type of Ribbon, for each person whose Ribbon Ownership prior to
the adoption of this proposal included that type, flip eir
Ribbon Ownership to True.
//
Title: Clarify asset ownership
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Murphy
Co-authors: CuddleBeam
Amend Rule 2576 (Ownership) to read:
Each asset has exactly one owner.
If ownership of an asset is restricted to a class of entities,
then that asset CANNOT be gained by or transferred to an entity
outside that class. By default, ownership of an asset is
restricted to Agora, players, and contracts, but an asset's
backing document may modify this.
If an asset's owner would otherwise be nonexistent, indeterminate,
or invalid, then it is owned by the Lost and Found Department (if
possible) or destroyed (otherwise), subject to modification by its
backing document. Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the Lost
and Found Department can own assets of every type. Assets owned by
the Lost and Found Department can be transferred or destroyed by
any player without objection.
//
--
ATMunn
fri
Re: BUS: Registration
On 7/20/2020 6:06 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 18:01 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 7/20/20 5:50 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 7/20/20 5:46 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: I hereby register as a player. I hereby change my name to G. I point my finger at the player who sent the above message for knowingly making an INEFFECTIVE attempt to register. Oh, and I affirm that this isn't me (because I feel like some people will be suspicious given my recent anonymous shenanigans). It isn't me either. (If it were, the message would have caused me to register, so this message would be Faking.) Registering anonymously is the sort of thing I might do, but trying to cause confusion with an existing player isn't. For what it's worth, I suspect it's a new player rather than someone who's previously been active on the lists, but this is just a guess and might well be wrong. I'll jump on the "it's not me because this is a public message and it would violate No Faking if proven false" train. For clarity: it's not me because this is a public message and it would violate No Faking if proven false. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
BUS: [Notary] The Notes: Tuesday Edition
I publish the following weekly report: ██ ██ ███ ███ ██ █ ███ ██ ████ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████ ██ █████ █ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████ ████ ██ ████ ██ ██████ ██ ████ ██ ███ ██ ███ █ █████ ██ -~= Notary's weekly report =~- ~~ Tuesday is better than Monday anyway. ~~ All times and dates in this report are given in Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). Date of last report: 13 Jul 2020 Date of this report: 21 Jul 2020 Abbreviations used in this report: --- P.S.S. | Publius Scribonius Scholasticus CB | Cuddlebeam con. | contract --- If any contract(s) have no name currently, I assign it/them the name(s) displayed in this report. === SHORT LIST OF CONTRACTS Title Parties "The Dragon Corporation" Aris, Jason, Falsifian, P.S.S. "GRBaSTttPF"[1] Gaelan, twg, Warrigal, Falsifian "TPP"[2] CB, R. Lee, P.S.S., G., Bögtil, Jason ... [3] "AAA"[4] Jason, P.S.S., R. Lee, nix "LoAFER"[5]Trigon, Jason, R. Lee, ATMunn, P.S.S. "Co Dependents" nix, R. Lee "Cuddlebeam's Locker" Cuddlebeam "Card Collective Contract, Agoran"Murphy, R. Lee "Contract No. 1: GIFT"Trigon, R. Lee "Contract No. 2: POEM"Trigon, R. Lee, ATMunn "Contract No. 3: CARD"R. Lee "Contract No. 5: DECK"Trigon, R. Lee, ATMunn "Contract No. 6: BOON"Trigon "SEAMSTRESS"[6] Trigon, nix, Jason "Dragon QuickExchange" Falsifian "Obstruction"omd "Obstruction 2: Electric Boogaloo"R. Lee "SNOCS"[7] omd, ATMunn, R. Lee "Dragon Political Outreach"Falsifian "Amusing Test Case" Aris "The Bank"ATMunn "The Platonic Parrot" nix, P.S.S., ATMunn, omd, ... [8] "I bet that was written by G." omd, ATMunn "The Contract Awards: The Contract" ATMunn "Ponzi Scheme" Jason, P.S.S., ATMunn, R. Lee, Trigon "The Agoran Underground Betting Ring" Gaelan [1] Gaelan's Really Bad At Sending Things To The Public Forum [2] The Plunder Partnership [3] also Falsifian, Aris [4] The Agoran Arbitration Association [5] League of Agorans Facilitating Effective Recordkeeping [6] Signature Enthusiast Allows Modification of Signature Through Rigorous Exchanging of Signature Suggestions [7] Simple, No-Opportunity-Cost Sets [8] also R. Lee, Cuddlebeam == FULL TEXT AND HISTORY OF CONTRACTS == The following 26 contracts exist: "The Dragon Corporation" (revision 4) Parties: Aris, Jason, Falsifian, P.S.S. -- ## Bylaw 1: Definition This contract is named "the Dragon Corporation". The purpose of the Dragon Corporation is to earn as much money as possible for its shareholders. All other provisions of this contract notwithstanding, this contract does not permit any entity to act on behalf of any other entity. Shares of Dragon stock (also known as "shares of DRGN", or, in this contract, "shares") are a currency whose purpose is to represent ownership of the Dragon Corporation. An entity which owns at least one share is known as a shareholder. If, at any time, the Dragon Corporation or the Lost and Found Department owns any shares, then those shares are destroyed. Any person CAN, by announcement, become a party to this contract or cease to be a party to this contract. A shareholder who is a party to this contract is known as a member. Wherever this contract states that an entity becomes a party to this contract or ceases to be
