Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Feb 25 Land Auction and an Announcement.

[Cuddle Beam]

we lose nothing by bidding just in case though (except probably dignity lol)

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 2:51 AM, Ørjan Johansen  wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:
>
> Aren't the auctions broken though since Agora has to be the auctioneer? I
>> remember someone saying that I am unable to transfer Agora's things, so I'm
>> not sure investing in land is a good idea right now.
>>
>
> I said something like that. By rule 2549, the auction didn't even start,
> so the bids probably don't exist.
>
>   An Auction also CANNOT be
>initiated unless the Auctioneer is able to give away each item in
>each of the Auction's lots.
>
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.
>

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Scroll of Agora]

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:


Someone last year (I forget who, sorry!) made a lovely post about how the
fundamental product of Agora is its History, reflected primarily in its
Herald's report.  So yes I would very much object.  Patent Titles are
(most times) permanent and should reflect our history.  (If someone knows
where that post is - I can't remember the length/effort but the concept
was definitely thesis-worthy).


I had saved that. Here's the public archive version:



Greetings,
Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Deregistration

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:


I've just been hospitalized for an unknown amount of time; I will not be
about to play in that time. Apologies. I deregister.


Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Fwd: About that secret project...

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:

Ok folks, what's a set of religious terms for Blots, punishment, 
temples, and penance that won't be too culturally loaded for anyone? 
Keeping to the Agoran theme, something ancient Greece and pleasing the 
gods?  Or something else (a little leery after the Karma/Eta thing 
annoyed some people).


If you want ancient Greece, I think you may be looking for the word 
"Miasma". From 
:


μῐ́ασμᾰ • (míasma) n (genitive μῐάσμᾰτος); third declension
1.pollution, defilement [quotations ▼]
2.shameful action, crime

The English plural can be either Miasmas or Miasmata.

Mind you, that's definitely not pleasing the gods, quite the opposite. 
See also  and 
possibly .


Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Feb 25 Land Auction and an Announcement.

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:

Aren't the auctions broken though since Agora has to be the auctioneer? 
I remember someone saying that I am unable to transfer Agora's things, 
so I'm not sure investing in land is a good idea right now.


I said something like that. By rule 2549, the auction didn't even 
start, so the bids probably don't exist.


  An Auction also CANNOT be
   initiated unless the Auctioneer is able to give away each item in
   each of the Auction's lots.

Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Grey Land and the Fountain

[Aris Merchant]

I'd go with solution 2, but modified. What if we made it so that each
facility could fit into (0 or more) "categories", and defined Production
and Processing as categories. That way, we could extend it later without
dealing with an exponential increase in the number of types. It also leave
flexibility if we want to do 3 later.

-Aris

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:15 PM Kenyon Prater  wrote:

> I ran into a problem that I figured I'd share and ask for input.
>
> "Asset Generation with Facilities" specifies that "Each facility is either
> a production facility or processing facility". The draft up there specifies
> that a fountain is a facility, but that it neither produces nor processes
> anything. There are a couple solutions that I see:
>
> 1) A fountain is a production facility that produces nothing, or a
> processing facility that processes nothing. Easy, kinda a hack, but it'll
> work.
> 2) Modify "Asset Generation with Facilities" so facilities can have a type
> of any element in {None, Production, Processing, Production & Processing},
> and fountains are type None.
> 3) Define "buildings" as a superset/superclass of facilities, move the
> shared rules to new rules about Buildings, and have fountain and facility
> be types of buildings with their own specific sub-rules. Easily the most
> flexible, but requires a fairly significant refactor, so it only really
> seems worth it if this is going to be a recurring problem. If the fountain
> is the only non-facility-facility we add, we might as well go with 1 or 2.
> If we're adding a ton of non-production buildings (arenas, houses, roads,
> whatever) then this might be worth it?
>
> Not sure if there's a smarter solution here, but I just wanted to get
> feedback to see if people were OK with 1 or if they thought 2 and 3 were
> better, or if there's another option I didn't consider.
>
> Thanks,
> Kenyon
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Reuben Staley 
> wrote:
>
> > Comments inline.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Aris Merchant
> >  wrote:
> > > I like this. I'll have more detailed comments when it's typed up in a
> > > proposal, but I think that this fits with the spirit of what we're
> going
> > > for. Certainly it is a good idea to have a neutral spawn point, even if
> > the
> > > colors don't mean that much yet. I suggest just calling the facility
> type
> > > "fountain", and letting people refer to it as "the fountain", because
> > > there's only one. You could even make it an explicit singleton.
> Something
> > > to the effect of "There is a unique facility, know as 'the fountain',
> and
> > > (0, 0). It... ." I'd also suggest not referencing
> > >  Rule 2029 by number (and definitely don't include the revision id).
> > > Instead, either just say "the town fountain", or let people figure it
> out
> > > for themselves (my personal favored option).
> >
> > I agree with everything Aris said here.
> >
> > > -Aris
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:05 PM Kenyon Prater 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> A very rough draft for a proposal. I'm going to hold off on writing it
> > up
> > >> until the current mess is resolved, but I wanted to get feedback on
> > whether
> > >> the idea is interesting to people
> > >>
> > >> The proposal would: {
> > >>
> > >> Create a Land Type of "Gray". Land that has Land Type "Gray" is gray
> > land.
> > >>
> > >> Gray land cannot support any facilities except those specifically
> > stated to
> > >> be allowed on gray land. If land becomes gray land, any facilities on
> it
> > >> are destroyed, except for those specifically stated to be allowed on
> > gray
> > >> land.
> >
> > Maybe to avoid redundancy, you could term these facilities "gray
> > facilities". Or even make a rule that says "X facilities" where X is a
> > land type in case we decide to restrict the land types some facilities
> > can be on in the future.
> >
> > >> Gray land cannot be owned by any entity other than Agora. If land
> > becomes
> > >> Gray land, it is transfered to Agora.
> >
> > *transferred. Maybe also say that Gray land is always preserved. That
> > way, no one can modify any of the facilities on the gray land.
> >
> > >> Gray land is treated as "the same" as both white and black for the
> > purposes
> > >> of movement, ie it only costs one apple to move from any non-aether
> > land to
> > >> gray, and only one apple to move from gray to any non-aether land.
> > >>
> > >> Set (0, 0) to Gray land.
> > >>
> > >> Create a new facility type "the fountain". Only one the fountain may
> > exist
> > >> at any one time. The fountain may exist on gray land, and may only
> > exist on
> > >> gray land. Players MAY and SHOULD think of this fountain as referring
> to
> > >> the one depicted in Rule 2029/0 "Town Fountain". The fountain may only
> > be
> > >> owned by Agora. The fountain has no upkeep cost, and neither refines
> nor
> > >> produces 

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Scroll of Agora]

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-03-01 at 15:19 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > (Champion needing consent is a bug btw.  Should be by announcement I
> > think).
> 
> I guess it's a simple way to handle disputed wins.

I thought about that, but it seems a little churlish to make a winner
(esp. a controversial one) beg for consent.  Maybe just support for that 
one?  But you're right not truly "broken".

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Scroll of Agora]

[Alex Smith]

On Thu, 2018-03-01 at 15:19 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> (Champion needing consent is a bug btw.  Should be by announcement I
> think).

I guess it's a simple way to handle disputed wins.

-- 
ais523

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Scroll of Agora]

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Corona wrote:
> I intend to award the title of Champion by Politics to Aris with 2 Support.
> I intend to award the (new) title of Reformist Bug to Trigon with 2 Support.

2 Consent, not 2 Support I'm afraid.  Need to re-announce intent with the
correction (R1728).

(Champion needing consent is a bug btw.  Should be by announcement I think).

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Scroll of Agora]

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Corona wrote: 
> When I meant "do away", I meant by getting a report without them
> self-ratified, but it seems like at least you'd object, so nevermind. 

Someone last year (I forget who, sorry!) made a lovely post about how the
fundamental product of Agora is its History, reflected primarily in its
Herald's report.  So yes I would very much object.  Patent Titles are
(most times) permanent and should reflect our history.  (If someone knows
where that post is - I can't remember the length/effort but the concept
was definitely thesis-worthy).


> It is
> my opinion that the Long Service awards should be rather indiscriminate
> about who "deserves" them. I mean, if someone deserves special recognition,
> that's what custom titles are for, no?

Sure, definitely make one!  That would be a new award.  Those rewards (again, 
history) were specifically granted to anyone who put the indicated amount of 
time in, and the titles reflect that.  As Herald, you can select a different
standard to name a different Title for "Good Service" and award it using the
existing method. Just don't delete the old ones.


> I have to ask, why would ADoP need to award titles directly? E can indeed
> just ask the Herald to award them, and if the Herald makes unpopular
> decisions about awarding titles etc., e won't be re-elected, or might even
> get deposed.

First, it's a good and fun perk to add to offices that are a lot of gruntwork.

Second, for a long time, the Herald wasn't allowed to make up eir own patent
titles. Only the defined ones could be awarded, and those were awarded by 
different offices.  It was quite fun to have a set of titles (like win 
conditions) that were for set, specific things a person could aspire towards, 
but weren't necessarily competitive in the way that "winning" is.  

Ribbons have soaked up some of those kinds of achievements, but aren't 
particularly historical.

The current system has ultimate flexibility, but it's entirely up to the 
Herald's whim.  That doesn't make it anything other than a random "here ya
go", and while that's been the case the Heralds haven't been consistent about
rewarding criteria and Patent Title awards in general have definitely become
less awarded and less awarding.

I think trying out both methods at once would be nice.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Scroll of Agora]

[Madeline]

Yeah, trying to ratify out formerly awarded titles would be... not even 
remotely cool. Agora takes pride in its history.


On 2018-03-02 08:36, Corona wrote:

Right, I forgot.
I intend to award the title of Champion by Politics to Aris with 2 Support.
I intend to award the (new) title of Reformist Bug to Trigon with 2 Support.

When I meant "do away", I meant by getting a report without them
self-ratified, but it seems like at least you'd object, so nevermind. It is
my opinion that the Long Service awards should be rather indiscriminate
about who "deserves" them. I mean, if someone deserves special recognition,
that's what custom titles are for, no?

I have to ask, why would ADoP need to award titles directly? E can indeed
just ask the Herald to award them, and if the Herald makes unpopular
decisions about awarding titles etc., e won't be re-elected, or might even
get deposed.

~Corona

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:




On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Corona wrote:

Should I award the Long Service Awards or do away with that section? They
seem to have fallen into disuse.

You can't "do away" with them in the sense that they're awarded Patent
Titles
and therefore tracked.  You could re-categorize them I suppose.

But every so often, like every couple years, someone (usually ADoP or
Herald)
says "hey we haven't used that in a while" and figures out who might
deserve
one and awards it.  It's been about that long so we're due (I know aranea
was
from the last time we did this only a couple years ago I think).

We could also bring back a mechanism that lets the ADoP award these
directly...

Re: DIS: Grey Land and the Fountain

[Kenyon Prater]

I ran into a problem that I figured I'd share and ask for input.

"Asset Generation with Facilities" specifies that "Each facility is either
a production facility or processing facility". The draft up there specifies
that a fountain is a facility, but that it neither produces nor processes
anything. There are a couple solutions that I see:

1) A fountain is a production facility that produces nothing, or a
processing facility that processes nothing. Easy, kinda a hack, but it'll
work.
2) Modify "Asset Generation with Facilities" so facilities can have a type
of any element in {None, Production, Processing, Production & Processing},
and fountains are type None.
3) Define "buildings" as a superset/superclass of facilities, move the
shared rules to new rules about Buildings, and have fountain and facility
be types of buildings with their own specific sub-rules. Easily the most
flexible, but requires a fairly significant refactor, so it only really
seems worth it if this is going to be a recurring problem. If the fountain
is the only non-facility-facility we add, we might as well go with 1 or 2.
If we're adding a ton of non-production buildings (arenas, houses, roads,
whatever) then this might be worth it?

Not sure if there's a smarter solution here, but I just wanted to get
feedback to see if people were OK with 1 or if they thought 2 and 3 were
better, or if there's another option I didn't consider.

Thanks,
Kenyon

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Reuben Staley 
wrote:

> Comments inline.
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> > I like this. I'll have more detailed comments when it's typed up in a
> > proposal, but I think that this fits with the spirit of what we're going
> > for. Certainly it is a good idea to have a neutral spawn point, even if
> the
> > colors don't mean that much yet. I suggest just calling the facility type
> > "fountain", and letting people refer to it as "the fountain", because
> > there's only one. You could even make it an explicit singleton. Something
> > to the effect of "There is a unique facility, know as 'the fountain', and
> > (0, 0). It... ." I'd also suggest not referencing
> >  Rule 2029 by number (and definitely don't include the revision id).
> > Instead, either just say "the town fountain", or let people figure it out
> > for themselves (my personal favored option).
>
> I agree with everything Aris said here.
>
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:05 PM Kenyon Prater 
> wrote:
> >
> >> A very rough draft for a proposal. I'm going to hold off on writing it
> up
> >> until the current mess is resolved, but I wanted to get feedback on
> whether
> >> the idea is interesting to people
> >>
> >> The proposal would: {
> >>
> >> Create a Land Type of "Gray". Land that has Land Type "Gray" is gray
> land.
> >>
> >> Gray land cannot support any facilities except those specifically
> stated to
> >> be allowed on gray land. If land becomes gray land, any facilities on it
> >> are destroyed, except for those specifically stated to be allowed on
> gray
> >> land.
>
> Maybe to avoid redundancy, you could term these facilities "gray
> facilities". Or even make a rule that says "X facilities" where X is a
> land type in case we decide to restrict the land types some facilities
> can be on in the future.
>
> >> Gray land cannot be owned by any entity other than Agora. If land
> becomes
> >> Gray land, it is transfered to Agora.
>
> *transferred. Maybe also say that Gray land is always preserved. That
> way, no one can modify any of the facilities on the gray land.
>
> >> Gray land is treated as "the same" as both white and black for the
> purposes
> >> of movement, ie it only costs one apple to move from any non-aether
> land to
> >> gray, and only one apple to move from gray to any non-aether land.
> >>
> >> Set (0, 0) to Gray land.
> >>
> >> Create a new facility type "the fountain". Only one the fountain may
> exist
> >> at any one time. The fountain may exist on gray land, and may only
> exist on
> >> gray land. Players MAY and SHOULD think of this fountain as referring to
> >> the one depicted in Rule 2029/0 "Town Fountain". The fountain may only
> be
> >> owned by Agora. The fountain has no upkeep cost, and neither refines nor
> >> produces anything, except as specified in other proposals.
>
> Just "Fountain" please.
>
> >> Create a "the fountain" at (0, 0) belonging to Agora.
> >>
> >> }
> >>
> >> My goal with the draft was to to;
> >> 1) make the number of preserved squares each color had equal.
> >> 2) To ensure that the spawn at (0,0) was neutral to both colors (right
> now,
> >> a player residing on one of the colors has to spend an extra apple to
> move
> >> back home as compared to somebody residing equally far on the other
> color).
> >> 3) To provide a meeting ground for players for future rules to use. One
> >> could imagine a rule specifying that all 

Re: DIS: proto: patent award codification

[Gaelan Steele]

Your phrasing sounds like an obligation to give the title to all deserving 
players. Maybe something like this?

The following titles CAN be awarded to any player by the holders of the listed 
offices with 2 Support. They SHOULD only be given to players that meet the 
qualifications listed. 

- Scamster (Referee): any Player who has shown great enthusiasm, persistence, 
or skill in the perpetrating of scams. 

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Good thinking.  Definitely will add SHOULDS to the standards for each,
> but probably good to say additionally in the rule that whether a player
> meets those standards is a political question not a judicial one (i.e.
> if it gets the right support/consent, it qualifies).
> 
> Here's the old standard for scamster as an example:
>   (a)  Scamster, which may be awarded to any Player who has shown
>great enthusiasm, persistence, or skill in the perpetrating
>of scams.  
> I'd change "may be" to SHOULD here and add the "CAN with support level."
> 
>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>> Probably want the criteria for each to be SHOULDs so that we don't have CFJs 
>> about just how brilliant a judgement was. I like the idea. 
>> 
>> Gaelan  
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We used to have more Patent Titles named in the rules, and different
>>> officers were allowed to award them under certain conditions.  We
>>> dropped that on the grounds that the Herald could generically award
>>> any of them when it seemed appropriate, but it meant the reasons for
>>> some of the awards (e.g. Long Service) got lost from memory.
>>> 
>>> Should we re-implement?  E.g.
>>> 
>>>   The ADoP CAN award X months long service for X=3,6,9,12 when a
>>>   person without that title has served in a single office continuously
>>>   for that length of time.
>>> 
>>>   The Reportor (alt: Herald) CAN award Bard w/2 support to someone who 
>>>   publishes certain quantities of poems.
>>> 
>>>   The Referee CAN award Scamster w/2 support to someone who performs
>>>   a major scam.
>>> 
>>>   The Arbitor CAN award the title Sage w/2 support to someone who 
>>>   delivers a particularly brilliant judgement.
>>> 
>>>  Etc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: DIS: proto: patent award codification

[Kerim Aydin]

Good thinking.  Definitely will add SHOULDS to the standards for each,
but probably good to say additionally in the rule that whether a player
meets those standards is a political question not a judicial one (i.e.
if it gets the right support/consent, it qualifies).

Here's the old standard for scamster as an example:
   (a)  Scamster, which may be awarded to any Player who has shown
great enthusiasm, persistence, or skill in the perpetrating
of scams.  
I'd change "may be" to SHOULD here and add the "CAN with support level."

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> Probably want the criteria for each to be SHOULDs so that we don't have CFJs 
> about just how brilliant a judgement was. I like the idea. 
> 
> Gaelan  
> 
> > On Mar 1, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > We used to have more Patent Titles named in the rules, and different
> > officers were allowed to award them under certain conditions.  We
> > dropped that on the grounds that the Herald could generically award
> > any of them when it seemed appropriate, but it meant the reasons for
> > some of the awards (e.g. Long Service) got lost from memory.
> > 
> > Should we re-implement?  E.g.
> > 
> >The ADoP CAN award X months long service for X=3,6,9,12 when a
> >person without that title has served in a single office continuously
> >for that length of time.
> > 
> >The Reportor (alt: Herald) CAN award Bard w/2 support to someone who 
> >publishes certain quantities of poems.
> > 
> >The Referee CAN award Scamster w/2 support to someone who performs
> >a major scam.
> > 
> >The Arbitor CAN award the title Sage w/2 support to someone who 
> >delivers a particularly brilliant judgement.
> > 
> >   Etc.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Grey Land and the Fountain

[Reuben Staley]

Comments inline.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I like this. I'll have more detailed comments when it's typed up in a
> proposal, but I think that this fits with the spirit of what we're going
> for. Certainly it is a good idea to have a neutral spawn point, even if the
> colors don't mean that much yet. I suggest just calling the facility type
> "fountain", and letting people refer to it as "the fountain", because
> there's only one. You could even make it an explicit singleton. Something
> to the effect of "There is a unique facility, know as 'the fountain', and
> (0, 0). It... ." I'd also suggest not referencing
>  Rule 2029 by number (and definitely don't include the revision id).
> Instead, either just say "the town fountain", or let people figure it out
> for themselves (my personal favored option).

I agree with everything Aris said here.

> -Aris
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:05 PM Kenyon Prater  wrote:
>
>> A very rough draft for a proposal. I'm going to hold off on writing it up
>> until the current mess is resolved, but I wanted to get feedback on whether
>> the idea is interesting to people
>>
>> The proposal would: {
>>
>> Create a Land Type of "Gray". Land that has Land Type "Gray" is gray land.
>>
>> Gray land cannot support any facilities except those specifically stated to
>> be allowed on gray land. If land becomes gray land, any facilities on it
>> are destroyed, except for those specifically stated to be allowed on gray
>> land.

Maybe to avoid redundancy, you could term these facilities "gray
facilities". Or even make a rule that says "X facilities" where X is a
land type in case we decide to restrict the land types some facilities
can be on in the future.

>> Gray land cannot be owned by any entity other than Agora. If land becomes
>> Gray land, it is transfered to Agora.

*transferred. Maybe also say that Gray land is always preserved. That
way, no one can modify any of the facilities on the gray land.

>> Gray land is treated as "the same" as both white and black for the purposes
>> of movement, ie it only costs one apple to move from any non-aether land to
>> gray, and only one apple to move from gray to any non-aether land.
>>
>> Set (0, 0) to Gray land.
>>
>> Create a new facility type "the fountain". Only one the fountain may exist
>> at any one time. The fountain may exist on gray land, and may only exist on
>> gray land. Players MAY and SHOULD think of this fountain as referring to
>> the one depicted in Rule 2029/0 "Town Fountain". The fountain may only be
>> owned by Agora. The fountain has no upkeep cost, and neither refines nor
>> produces anything, except as specified in other proposals.

Just "Fountain" please.

>> Create a "the fountain" at (0, 0) belonging to Agora.
>>
>> }
>>
>> My goal with the draft was to to;
>> 1) make the number of preserved squares each color had equal.
>> 2) To ensure that the spawn at (0,0) was neutral to both colors (right now,
>> a player residing on one of the colors has to spend an extra apple to move
>> back home as compared to somebody residing equally far on the other color).
>> 3) To provide a meeting ground for players for future rules to use. One
>> could imagine a rule specifying that all players at (0,0) on Agora's
>> Birthday CAN [do something]. Or this could be integrated into the justice
>> reform; to rid themselves of weevils/blots/whatever, players must make a
>> pilgrimage to the fountain to give [currency].

Very nice. Perhaps Cuddlebeam's idea for arenas could have a physical
manifestation on a piece of gray land. This also makes it really nice
for future Agora-sponsored activities that take place on a map.

-- 
Trigon

Re: DIS: proto: patent award codification

[Gaelan Steele]

Probably want the criteria for each to be SHOULDs so that we don't have CFJs 
about just how brilliant a judgement was. I like the idea. 

Gaelan  

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> We used to have more Patent Titles named in the rules, and different
> officers were allowed to award them under certain conditions.  We
> dropped that on the grounds that the Herald could generically award
> any of them when it seemed appropriate, but it meant the reasons for
> some of the awards (e.g. Long Service) got lost from memory.
> 
> Should we re-implement?  E.g.
> 
>The ADoP CAN award X months long service for X=3,6,9,12 when a
>person without that title has served in a single office continuously
>for that length of time.
> 
>The Reportor (alt: Herald) CAN award Bard w/2 support to someone who 
>publishes certain quantities of poems.
> 
>The Referee CAN award Scamster w/2 support to someone who performs
>a major scam.
> 
>The Arbitor CAN award the title Sage w/2 support to someone who 
>delivers a particularly brilliant judgement.
> 
>   Etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: DIS: Proto: PAoaM Patch

[Reuben Staley]

Other things we need to do:

Make Agora the auctioneer for Land Auctions.

Remove the last paragraph of the Facilities rule and replace it with
"Facilities always have the same owner as their parent land unit" or
smth.

Add a destruction clause to the Facilities rule. Also maybe a
rank-down the facilities clause.

Also, the Land Transfiguration rule may be a bit broken. Make it say
"At the beginning of the second Eastman week of each month, the
following actions occur. The Cartographor SHALL report these changes
in a timely fashion."

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> This doesn’t need to be 3.1, just 3. Oops.
>
>> On Feb 28, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>>
>> Title: PAoaM Patch
>> AI: 3.1
>>
>> —
>>
>> Remove the sentence "If the reenacting proposal provides new text for the
>> rule, the rule must have materially the same purpose as did the
>> repealed version; otherwise, the attempt to reenact the rule is
>> null and void.” from Rule 105 “Rule Changes.”
>>
>> If rule 2599 is not currently enacted, re-enact it with the following text; 
>> if it is enacted but does not have the following text, amend it to have the 
>> following text: {
>>  If a player has not received a Welcome Package since e most
>>  recently registered, any player CAN cause em to receive one by
>>  announcement.
>>
>>  When a player receives a Welcome Package, Agora creates the
>>  following assets in eir possession:
>>
>>  1. 10 coins
>>  2. 5 lumber
>>  3. 5 stones
>>  4. 10 apples
>>  5. 3 papers
>> }
>>
>> If no rule titled “Paydays” exists, create it at power 2 with the following 
>> text; if it exists but does not have the following text, amend it to have 
>> the following text: {
>>  Whenever a Payday occurs, the following events happen in order:
>>
>>  1. The following assets are created in the possession of each
>> player:
>> A. 10 coins
>> B. 5 apples
>> C. 2 papers
>>
>>  2. For each office, if a single player held that office for 16 or
>> more days in the previous month and e was not issued any Cards
>> other than Green for eir conduct in that office during that
>> time, the following assets are created in the possession of
>> that player:
>> A. 5 coins
>> B. 1 corn
>>
>>  The occurrence of Paydays is secured.  At the beginning of each
>>  month, a Payday occurs.
>> }
>>
>> If Rule 1993 is not currently enacted, re-enact it with the following text; 
>> if it is enacted but does not have the following text, amend it to have the 
>> following text: {
>>  Arcadia is a land entirely defined by the Arcadian Map (the Map).
>>  The Map is the term for the set of all Land Units.
>>
>>  The Map divides Arcadia into a finite, discrete number of Units of
>>  Land, or simply Land. Each Unit of Land is an indestructible asset
>>  specified by an ordered pair of integers known as its Latitude and
>>  Longitude.
>>
>>  Every unique ordered pair of integers within the limits defined in
>>  the Rules for Latitude and Longitude signifies an existent Unit of
>>  Land. No other Units of Land exist. Units of Land CAN only be
>>  created or destroyed by changing the limits of Latitude and
>>  Longitude defined in the Rules.
>>
>>  All values for Latitude and Longitude MUST lie between -6 and +6,
>>  inclusive.
>>
>>  The Total Land Area of Arcadia is the number of existent Units of
>>  Land defined by permissible Latitude and Longitude pairs.
>> }
>>
>> If Rule 1994 is not currently enacted, re-enact it with the following text; 
>> if it is enacted but does not have the following text, amend it to have the 
>> following text: {
>>  Any existent Land for which ownership has not been explicitly
>>  changed belongs to Agora.
>>
>>  Land belonging to Agora is called Public Land. Land belonging to
>>  a contract is called Communal Land. Land belonging to any other
>>  entity is called Private Land. Together, Communal Land and Private
>>  Land are called Proprietary Land.
>> }
>>
>> If Rule 1995 is not currently enacted, re-enact it with the following text; 
>> if it is enacted but does not have the following text, amend it to have the 
>> following text: {
>>  Each Unit of Land has a Land Type switch, tracked by the
>>  Cartographor, whose values are "Black", "White", and "Aether" (the
>>  default). Changes to Land Type switches are secured. To "change
>>  the type" of, or to "transform" a Unit of Land is to flip its Type
>>  switch. A “Unit of X” is a Unit of Land whose Land Type switch has
>>  the value X.
>>
>>  When existent Land has not had its Type changed as explicitly
>>  permitted by the Rules, or has a Type that is not currently
>>  defined by the Rules, it is considered to have the Land Type of
>>  Aether. Rules to the contrary nonwithstanding, Units of Aether
>>  CANNOT be transferred from Agora, or owned by any entity other
>>  than Agora.
>>
>>  If Proprietary Land becomes Aether, the Cartographor SHALL
>>  transfer it to Agora 

DIS: proto: patent award codification

[Kerim Aydin]

We used to have more Patent Titles named in the rules, and different
officers were allowed to award them under certain conditions.  We
dropped that on the grounds that the Herald could generically award
any of them when it seemed appropriate, but it meant the reasons for
some of the awards (e.g. Long Service) got lost from memory.

Should we re-implement?  E.g.

The ADoP CAN award X months long service for X=3,6,9,12 when a
person without that title has served in a single office continuously
for that length of time.

The Reportor (alt: Herald) CAN award Bard w/2 support to someone who 
publishes certain quantities of poems.

The Referee CAN award Scamster w/2 support to someone who performs
a major scam.

The Arbitor CAN award the title Sage w/2 support to someone who 
delivers a particularly brilliant judgement.

   Etc.

 

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Scroll of Agora]

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Corona wrote:
> Should I award the Long Service Awards or do away with that section? They
> seem to have fallen into disuse.

You can't "do away" with them in the sense that they're awarded Patent Titles
and therefore tracked.  You could re-categorize them I suppose.

But every so often, like every couple years, someone (usually ADoP or Herald)
says "hey we haven't used that in a while" and figures out who might deserve
one and awards it.  It's been about that long so we're due (I know aranea was
from the last time we did this only a couple years ago I think).

We could also bring back a mechanism that lets the ADoP award these directly...

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Scroll of Agora]

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Corona wrote:
> I award the (new) title of Reformist Bug to Trigon.

Was this voted on or part of a proposal?  Otherwise need 2 Agoran Consent
(I'd support).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy-Referee] Weekly Report

[Cuddle Beam]

Just checked it and yes, you're right. By a few hours, it was in the 28th.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Genuine correction:  By UTC, I think my Pink Slip hit on Feb 28 not
> March 1?  Matters for payday.
>
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Sorry, I was just catching the lack of that stuff in the top line
> > ("recent events") which doesn't ratify.  Was puzzled by the line
> > between "previous report" and "last report" not sure the difference
> > there?  No biggie just the format fooled me.
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > Coe: missing all the card-action surrounding the zombie auction
> > > and all the accusations of "spoiling fun".  Missing at least one pledge
> > > I made.  Probably missing everything that happened since December?
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > > I deputize for Referee and publish the following report:
> > > >
> > > > Date of this report: 1 Mar 2018
> > > > Date of last report: 31 Jan 2018
> > > >
> > > > Recent events:
> > > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > > Wed,  8 Nov 2017: Aris made 18 pledges (thanks a bunch, Aris)
> > > > Thu,  9 Nov 2017: Cuddlebeam pointed a finger at o. for abuse of
> power
> > > > Sat, 11 Nov 2017: Alexis made a pledge
> > > > Mon, 13 Nov 2017: Finger pointed at o. found SHENANIGANS
> > > >
> > > > Previous Report
> > > >
> > > > Fri, 17 Nov 2017: Corona made a pledge. Sun, 19 Nov 2017: Aris
> withdrew 18
> > > > pledges. Mon, 20 Nov 2017: Red Card issued by Summary Judgement to
> V.J.
> > > > Rada for breaking R2491 Tue, 21 Nov 2017: OscarMeyr made a pledge
> (yes,
> > > > non-players can own them)
> > > >
> > > > Tue, 21 Nov 2017: Green Card issued by Summary Judgement to 天火狐
> > > > for Tardiness
> > > >
> > > > Time of Last Report
> > > >
> > > > 4 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at themselves for existing.
> > > > Found SHENANIGANS.
> > > >
> > > > 8 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam is issued a Red Card by Summary Judgement for
> > > > not Treating Agora Right.
> > > >
> > > > 9 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at G for impersonating good
> > > > faith for the purpose of a personal agenda. Red Card issued.
> > > >
> > > > 12 Feb 2017 Telnaoir Pointed a Finger at themselves for abuse of
> power.
> > > > Blue Card issued.
> > > >
> > > > 1 March 2017 G. Pink Slips themselves from Referee via Summary
> Judgement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > >
> > > > Green Cards:
> > > > Player   On Reason
> > > > ---
> > > > P.S.S.[1]May 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > P.S.S.[1]May 20, 2017   Ambiguity
> > > > Murphy   Jun 22, 2017   Faking
> > > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > oJul 11, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > V.J Rada Jul 14, 2017   Making My Eyes Bleed
> > > > oJul 18, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > oJul 29, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > Gaelan   Jul 29, 2017   Late Judgement
> > > > oSep  4, 2017   Rule 2498
> > > > Quazie   Sep  7, 2017   Rule 2201
> > > > 天火狐Sep 12, 2017   No reason
> > > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > > V.J Rada Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2496
> > > > nichdel  Sep 20, 2017   Rule 2450
> > > > oSep 20, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > > oSep 22, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > > V.J Rada Sep 24, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > > oSep 26, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > > P.S.S.[1]Sep 27, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > > V.J Rada Oct  3, 2017   Rule 2471
> > > > oOct  4, 2017   Rule 2479
> > > > Aris Oct 11, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > > oOct 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > > oOct 31, 2017   R2156 Lateness
> > > > 天火狐Nov 21, 2017:  Tardiness
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] Named, in full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blue Cards
> > > >
> > > > PlayerOn ReasonFine
> > > > ---
> > > > ATMunnNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > > > AlexisNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > > >
> > > > Fines in {} indicate no Fine Levied. Fines in [] indicate Fine
> Levied,
> > > > but not paid
> > > >
> > > > Yellow Cards:
> > > >
> > > > PlayerUntil  Reason   Apology Words
> > > > ---
> > > > Quazie   (Apr 26, 2017)  Bankruptcy
> > > > o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy-Referee] Weekly Report

[Cuddle Beam]

Ah OK

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Sorry, I was just catching the lack of that stuff in the top line
> ("recent events") which doesn't ratify.  Was puzzled by the line
> between "previous report" and "last report" not sure the difference
> there?  No biggie just the format fooled me.
>
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Coe: missing all the card-action surrounding the zombie auction
> > and all the accusations of "spoiling fun".  Missing at least one pledge
> > I made.  Probably missing everything that happened since December?
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > I deputize for Referee and publish the following report:
> > >
> > > Date of this report: 1 Mar 2018
> > > Date of last report: 31 Jan 2018
> > >
> > > Recent events:
> > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > Wed,  8 Nov 2017: Aris made 18 pledges (thanks a bunch, Aris)
> > > Thu,  9 Nov 2017: Cuddlebeam pointed a finger at o. for abuse of power
> > > Sat, 11 Nov 2017: Alexis made a pledge
> > > Mon, 13 Nov 2017: Finger pointed at o. found SHENANIGANS
> > >
> > > Previous Report
> > >
> > > Fri, 17 Nov 2017: Corona made a pledge. Sun, 19 Nov 2017: Aris
> withdrew 18
> > > pledges. Mon, 20 Nov 2017: Red Card issued by Summary Judgement to V.J.
> > > Rada for breaking R2491 Tue, 21 Nov 2017: OscarMeyr made a pledge (yes,
> > > non-players can own them)
> > >
> > > Tue, 21 Nov 2017: Green Card issued by Summary Judgement to 天火狐
> > > for Tardiness
> > >
> > > Time of Last Report
> > >
> > > 4 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at themselves for existing.
> > > Found SHENANIGANS.
> > >
> > > 8 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam is issued a Red Card by Summary Judgement for
> > > not Treating Agora Right.
> > >
> > > 9 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at G for impersonating good
> > > faith for the purpose of a personal agenda. Red Card issued.
> > >
> > > 12 Feb 2017 Telnaoir Pointed a Finger at themselves for abuse of power.
> > > Blue Card issued.
> > >
> > > 1 March 2017 G. Pink Slips themselves from Referee via Summary
> Judgement.
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >
> > > Green Cards:
> > > Player   On Reason
> > > ---
> > > P.S.S.[1]May 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > > P.S.S.[1]May 20, 2017   Ambiguity
> > > Murphy   Jun 22, 2017   Faking
> > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > oJul 11, 2017   Tardiness
> > > V.J Rada Jul 14, 2017   Making My Eyes Bleed
> > > oJul 18, 2017   Tardiness
> > > oJul 29, 2017   Tardiness
> > > Gaelan   Jul 29, 2017   Late Judgement
> > > oSep  4, 2017   Rule 2498
> > > Quazie   Sep  7, 2017   Rule 2201
> > > 天火狐Sep 12, 2017   No reason
> > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > V.J Rada Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2496
> > > nichdel  Sep 20, 2017   Rule 2450
> > > oSep 20, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > oSep 22, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > V.J Rada Sep 24, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > oSep 26, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > P.S.S.[1]Sep 27, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > V.J Rada Oct  3, 2017   Rule 2471
> > > oOct  4, 2017   Rule 2479
> > > Aris Oct 11, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > oOct 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > oOct 31, 2017   R2156 Lateness
> > > 天火狐Nov 21, 2017:  Tardiness
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Named, in full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> > >
> > >
> > > Blue Cards
> > >
> > > PlayerOn ReasonFine
> > > ---
> > > ATMunnNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > > AlexisNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > >
> > > Fines in {} indicate no Fine Levied. Fines in [] indicate Fine Levied,
> > > but not paid
> > >
> > > Yellow Cards:
> > >
> > > PlayerUntil  Reason   Apology Words
> > > ---
> > > Quazie   (Apr 26, 2017)  Bankruptcy
> > > o(Apr 22, 2017)  Tardiness
> > > o(Jul 15, 2017)  Tardiness
> > > o(Jul 15, 2017)  Tardiness
> > > CuddleBeamJul 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > > P.S.S.[1] Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > o(Aug 23, 2017)  Rule 2491
> > > Quazie   (Sep 13, 2017)  Rule 2450
> > > V.J Rada (Sep 15, 2017)  Being bad
> > > GaelanNov 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > > Nichdel   Dec  6, 2017   PCI[2][3]
> > >
> > 

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy-Referee] Weekly Report

[Kerim Aydin]

Genuine correction:  By UTC, I think my Pink Slip hit on Feb 28 not
March 1?  Matters for payday.

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: 
> Sorry, I was just catching the lack of that stuff in the top line
> ("recent events") which doesn't ratify.  Was puzzled by the line
> between "previous report" and "last report" not sure the difference
> there?  No biggie just the format fooled me.
> 
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Coe: missing all the card-action surrounding the zombie auction
> > and all the accusations of "spoiling fun".  Missing at least one pledge
> > I made.  Probably missing everything that happened since December?
> > 
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > I deputize for Referee and publish the following report:
> > > 
> > > Date of this report: 1 Mar 2018
> > > Date of last report: 31 Jan 2018
> > > 
> > > Recent events:
> > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > > Wed,  8 Nov 2017: Aris made 18 pledges (thanks a bunch, Aris)
> > > Thu,  9 Nov 2017: Cuddlebeam pointed a finger at o. for abuse of power
> > > Sat, 11 Nov 2017: Alexis made a pledge
> > > Mon, 13 Nov 2017: Finger pointed at o. found SHENANIGANS
> > > 
> > > Previous Report
> > > 
> > > Fri, 17 Nov 2017: Corona made a pledge. Sun, 19 Nov 2017: Aris withdrew 18
> > > pledges. Mon, 20 Nov 2017: Red Card issued by Summary Judgement to V.J.
> > > Rada for breaking R2491 Tue, 21 Nov 2017: OscarMeyr made a pledge (yes,
> > > non-players can own them)
> > > 
> > > Tue, 21 Nov 2017: Green Card issued by Summary Judgement to 天火狐
> > > for Tardiness
> > > 
> > > Time of Last Report
> > > 
> > > 4 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at themselves for existing.
> > > Found SHENANIGANS.
> > > 
> > > 8 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam is issued a Red Card by Summary Judgement for
> > > not Treating Agora Right.
> > > 
> > > 9 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at G for impersonating good
> > > faith for the purpose of a personal agenda. Red Card issued.
> > > 
> > > 12 Feb 2017 Telnaoir Pointed a Finger at themselves for abuse of power.
> > > Blue Card issued.
> > > 
> > > 1 March 2017 G. Pink Slips themselves from Referee via Summary Judgement.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > 
> > > Green Cards:
> > > Player   On Reason
> > > ---
> > > P.S.S.[1]May 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > > P.S.S.[1]May 20, 2017   Ambiguity
> > > Murphy   Jun 22, 2017   Faking
> > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > > oJul 11, 2017   Tardiness
> > > V.J Rada Jul 14, 2017   Making My Eyes Bleed
> > > oJul 18, 2017   Tardiness
> > > oJul 29, 2017   Tardiness
> > > Gaelan   Jul 29, 2017   Late Judgement
> > > oSep  4, 2017   Rule 2498
> > > Quazie   Sep  7, 2017   Rule 2201
> > > 天火狐Sep 12, 2017   No reason
> > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > V.J Rada Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2496
> > > nichdel  Sep 20, 2017   Rule 2450
> > > oSep 20, 2017   Rule 2478
> > > oSep 22, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > V.J Rada Sep 24, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > > oSep 26, 2017   Rule 2426
> > > P.S.S.[1]Sep 27, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > V.J Rada Oct  3, 2017   Rule 2471
> > > oOct  4, 2017   Rule 2479
> > > Aris Oct 11, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > > oOct 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > > oOct 31, 2017   R2156 Lateness
> > > 天火狐Nov 21, 2017:  Tardiness
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [1] Named, in full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Blue Cards
> > > 
> > > PlayerOn ReasonFine
> > > ---
> > > ATMunnNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > > AlexisNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > > 
> > > Fines in {} indicate no Fine Levied. Fines in [] indicate Fine Levied,
> > > but not paid
> > > 
> > > Yellow Cards:
> > > 
> > > PlayerUntil  Reason   Apology Words
> > > ---
> > > Quazie   (Apr 26, 2017)  Bankruptcy
> > > o(Apr 22, 2017)  Tardiness
> > > o(Jul 15, 2017)  Tardiness
> > > o(Jul 15, 2017)  Tardiness
> > > CuddleBeamJul 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > > P.S.S.[1] Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2143
> > > o(Aug 23, 2017)  Rule 2491
> > > Quazie   (Sep 13, 2017)  Rule 2450
> > > V.J Rada (Sep 15, 2017)  Being bad
> > > GaelanNov 24, 2017   

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy-Referee] Weekly Report

[Cuddle Beam]

I don't get that first part.

The "spoiling fun" cards are there, the red one I got and then the counter
card you got (gmail screwed with the formatting somehow, first time I do
this... But aside from awkward spacing, its there:):

> 8 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam is issued a Red Card by Summary Judgement for
> not Treating Agora Right.
>
> 9 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at G for impersonating good
> faith for the purpose of a personal agenda. Red Card issued.

and

> Red Cards:
>
> Player   On Reason
> --
> Cuddlebeam   Jul 21, 2017   Faking
> V.J. RadaNov 20, 2017   R2491
> Cuddlebeam   Feb 8, 2017Not Treating Agora Right
> G.   Feb 9, 2017Impersonating good faith

And there was nothing in "recent events" during December and January, as
per the last report. But that doesn't make sense with "Nichdel Dec 6, 2017
PCI[2] [3]"...
I'll look into that.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Coe: missing all the card-action surrounding the zombie auction
> and all the accusations of "spoiling fun".  Missing at least one pledge
> I made.  Probably missing everything that happened since December?
>
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > I deputize for Referee and publish the following report:
> >
> > Date of this report: 1 Mar 2018
> > Date of last report: 31 Jan 2018
> >
> > Recent events:
> > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > Wed,  8 Nov 2017: Aris made 18 pledges (thanks a bunch, Aris)
> > Thu,  9 Nov 2017: Cuddlebeam pointed a finger at o. for abuse of power
> > Sat, 11 Nov 2017: Alexis made a pledge
> > Mon, 13 Nov 2017: Finger pointed at o. found SHENANIGANS
> >
> > Previous Report
> >
> > Fri, 17 Nov 2017: Corona made a pledge. Sun, 19 Nov 2017: Aris withdrew
> 18
> > pledges. Mon, 20 Nov 2017: Red Card issued by Summary Judgement to V.J.
> > Rada for breaking R2491 Tue, 21 Nov 2017: OscarMeyr made a pledge (yes,
> > non-players can own them)
> >
> > Tue, 21 Nov 2017: Green Card issued by Summary Judgement to 天火狐
> > for Tardiness
> >
> > Time of Last Report
> >
> > 4 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at themselves for existing.
> > Found SHENANIGANS.
> >
> > 8 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam is issued a Red Card by Summary Judgement for
> > not Treating Agora Right.
> >
> > 9 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at G for impersonating good
> > faith for the purpose of a personal agenda. Red Card issued.
> >
> > 12 Feb 2017 Telnaoir Pointed a Finger at themselves for abuse of power.
> > Blue Card issued.
> >
> > 1 March 2017 G. Pink Slips themselves from Referee via Summary Judgement.
> >
> >
> > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >
> > Green Cards:
> > Player   On Reason
> > ---
> > P.S.S.[1]May 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > P.S.S.[1]May 20, 2017   Ambiguity
> > Murphy   Jun 22, 2017   Faking
> > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > oJul 11, 2017   Tardiness
> > V.J Rada Jul 14, 2017   Making My Eyes Bleed
> > oJul 18, 2017   Tardiness
> > oJul 29, 2017   Tardiness
> > Gaelan   Jul 29, 2017   Late Judgement
> > oSep  4, 2017   Rule 2498
> > Quazie   Sep  7, 2017   Rule 2201
> > 天火狐Sep 12, 2017   No reason
> > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2426
> > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2478
> > V.J Rada Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2496
> > nichdel  Sep 20, 2017   Rule 2450
> > oSep 20, 2017   Rule 2478
> > oSep 22, 2017   Rule 2426
> > V.J Rada Sep 24, 2017   Rule 2143
> > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > oSep 26, 2017   Rule 2426
> > P.S.S.[1]Sep 27, 2017   Rule 2143
> > V.J Rada Oct  3, 2017   Rule 2471
> > oOct  4, 2017   Rule 2479
> > Aris Oct 11, 2017   Rule 2143
> > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > oOct 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > oOct 31, 2017   R2156 Lateness
> > 天火狐Nov 21, 2017:  Tardiness
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] Named, in full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> >
> >
> > Blue Cards
> >
> > PlayerOn ReasonFine
> > ---
> > ATMunnNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > AlexisNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> >
> > Fines in {} indicate no Fine Levied. Fines in [] indicate Fine Levied,
> > but not paid
> >
> > Yellow Cards:
> >
> > PlayerUntil  Reason   Apology Words
> > ---
> > Quazie   (Apr 26, 2017)  Bankruptcy
> > o(Apr 22, 2017)  Tardiness
> > o   

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy-Referee] Weekly Report

[Kerim Aydin]

Sorry, I was just catching the lack of that stuff in the top line
("recent events") which doesn't ratify.  Was puzzled by the line
between "previous report" and "last report" not sure the difference
there?  No biggie just the format fooled me.

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> Coe: missing all the card-action surrounding the zombie auction
> and all the accusations of "spoiling fun".  Missing at least one pledge
> I made.  Probably missing everything that happened since December?
> 
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > I deputize for Referee and publish the following report:
> > 
> > Date of this report: 1 Mar 2018
> > Date of last report: 31 Jan 2018
> > 
> > Recent events:
> > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > Tue   7 Nov 2017: V.J. Rada made a pledge
> > Wed,  8 Nov 2017: Aris made 18 pledges (thanks a bunch, Aris)
> > Thu,  9 Nov 2017: Cuddlebeam pointed a finger at o. for abuse of power
> > Sat, 11 Nov 2017: Alexis made a pledge
> > Mon, 13 Nov 2017: Finger pointed at o. found SHENANIGANS
> > 
> > Previous Report
> > 
> > Fri, 17 Nov 2017: Corona made a pledge. Sun, 19 Nov 2017: Aris withdrew 18
> > pledges. Mon, 20 Nov 2017: Red Card issued by Summary Judgement to V.J.
> > Rada for breaking R2491 Tue, 21 Nov 2017: OscarMeyr made a pledge (yes,
> > non-players can own them)
> > 
> > Tue, 21 Nov 2017: Green Card issued by Summary Judgement to 天火狐
> > for Tardiness
> > 
> > Time of Last Report
> > 
> > 4 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at themselves for existing.
> > Found SHENANIGANS.
> > 
> > 8 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam is issued a Red Card by Summary Judgement for
> > not Treating Agora Right.
> > 
> > 9 Feb 2017 Cuddlebeam Pointed a Finger at G for impersonating good
> > faith for the purpose of a personal agenda. Red Card issued.
> > 
> > 12 Feb 2017 Telnaoir Pointed a Finger at themselves for abuse of power.
> > Blue Card issued.
> > 
> > 1 March 2017 G. Pink Slips themselves from Referee via Summary Judgement.
> > 
> > 
> > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > 
> > Green Cards:
> > Player   On Reason
> > ---
> > P.S.S.[1]May 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > P.S.S.[1]May 20, 2017   Ambiguity
> > Murphy   Jun 22, 2017   Faking
> > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > Gaelan   Jun 23, 2017   Tardiness
> > oJul 11, 2017   Tardiness
> > V.J Rada Jul 14, 2017   Making My Eyes Bleed
> > oJul 18, 2017   Tardiness
> > oJul 29, 2017   Tardiness
> > Gaelan   Jul 29, 2017   Late Judgement
> > oSep  4, 2017   Rule 2498
> > Quazie   Sep  7, 2017   Rule 2201
> > 天火狐Sep 12, 2017   No reason
> > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2426
> > oSep 12, 2017   Rule 2478
> > V.J Rada Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2496
> > nichdel  Sep 20, 2017   Rule 2450
> > oSep 20, 2017   Rule 2478
> > oSep 22, 2017   Rule 2426
> > V.J Rada Sep 24, 2017   Rule 2143
> > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > CuddleBeam   Sep 26, 2017   No reason
> > oSep 26, 2017   Rule 2426
> > P.S.S.[1]Sep 27, 2017   Rule 2143
> > V.J Rada Oct  3, 2017   Rule 2471
> > oOct  4, 2017   Rule 2479
> > Aris Oct 11, 2017   Rule 2143
> > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > oOct 11, 2017   Rule 2456
> > oOct 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > V.J. RadaOct 24, 2017   No Finger Response
> > oOct 31, 2017   R2156 Lateness
> > 天火狐Nov 21, 2017:  Tardiness
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [1] Named, in full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> > 
> > 
> > Blue Cards
> > 
> > PlayerOn ReasonFine
> > ---
> > ATMunnNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > AlexisNov 6, 2017Quorum Not Stated {2sh}
> > 
> > Fines in {} indicate no Fine Levied. Fines in [] indicate Fine Levied,
> > but not paid
> > 
> > Yellow Cards:
> > 
> > PlayerUntil  Reason   Apology Words
> > ---
> > Quazie   (Apr 26, 2017)  Bankruptcy
> > o(Apr 22, 2017)  Tardiness
> > o(Jul 15, 2017)  Tardiness
> > o(Jul 15, 2017)  Tardiness
> > CuddleBeamJul 16, 2017   Tardiness
> > P.S.S.[1] Sep 15, 2017   Rule 2143
> > o(Aug 23, 2017)  Rule 2491
> > Quazie   (Sep 13, 2017)  Rule 2450
> > V.J Rada (Sep 15, 2017)  Being bad
> > GaelanNov 24, 2017   Tardiness
> > Nichdel   Dec  6, 2017   PCI[2][3]
> > 
> > [1] Named, in full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> > [2] Pledge Called In
> > [3] nichdel's apology words are: "I, will, not, break, any, pledges,
> > or, be, untimely, sorry."
> > Dates in () indicate completed apology.
> > 
> > Red Cards:
> > 
> > Player   On Reason
> > 

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Reassignments

[Corona]

Sorry about that.

~Corona ​

On 06:55, Mar 1, 2018, at 06:55, Edward Murphy  wrote:
>I recuse Corona from CFJ 3624 and assign it to Publius. Again,
>here's the message that initiated it:
>https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-February/037786.html
>
>I recuse Corona from CFJs 3626-28 and assign them to myself.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregistration

[Corona]

I wish you a quick recovery.

~Corona​

On 04:22, Mar 1, 2018, at 04:22, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>I hope you get better soon
>
>On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Ned Strange 
>wrote:
>
>> Hope you're alright, Alexis :(.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Alexis Hunt 
>wrote:
>> > I've just been hospitalized for an unknown amount of time; I will
>not be
>> > about to play in that time. Apologies. I deregister.
>> >
>> > Alexis
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>>