Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie Auction
On Friday, January 11, 2019 2:02 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > All right, I'll concede the text of the rules is technically a "physical" > reality. *technically _not_ a "physical" reality. -twg
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie Auction
All right, I'll concede the text of the rules is technically a "physical" reality. But if, say, we had a rule saying "All rules begin with the word 'Tangelo'.", a statement which is manifestly untrue (at least at present), surely that should not be interpreted as a requirement to play the game _as if_ every rule began with the word "Tangelo". (Perhaps it could be interpreted as a redefinition of the word "rule", but then it would need to be at least power 3, to override rule 2141.) I think the logic is similar. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, January 11, 2019 1:44 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2019, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I think this argument doesn't work because, according to the FLR, CFJs > > 1911-1914 set the precedent that "Physical realities supersede the Rules > > by default" - in this case, the physical reality that no rule defines a > > process for zombie transferral overrides the rule that says zombie > > transferral is possible, somehow, as part of an auction. But I'm not > > confident enough in that interpretation to judge the case. > > The content of the Rules surely must be the exactopposite of what > "physical reality" refers to in those judgements? > > Greetings, > Ørjan.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie Auction
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: I think this argument doesn't work because, according to the FLR, CFJs 1911-1914 set the precedent that "Physical realities supersede the Rules by default" - in this case, the physical reality that no rule defines a process for zombie transferral overrides the rule that says zombie transferral is possible, somehow, as part of an auction. But I'm not confident enough in that interpretation to judge the case. The content of the Rules surely must be the exact _opposite_ of what "physical reality" refers to in those judgements? Greetings, Ørjan.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie Auction
Well this is an interesting argument. The implication would seem to be that rules can redefine what other rules mean. I.e., in this case, there is a rule that says there is a process by which zombies can be transferred as part of an auction, so there is such a process, even though the rules that are supposed to define the process technically don't. I think this argument doesn't work because, according to the FLR, CFJs 1911-1914 set the precedent that "Physical realities supersede the Rules by default" - in this case, the physical reality that no rule defines a process for zombie transferral overrides the rule that says zombie transferral is possible, somehow, as part of an auction. But I'm not confident enough in that interpretation to judge the case. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 10, 2019 7:42 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > > On Jan 10, 2019, at 1:17 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@uw.edu wrote: > > I terminate this auction, as per R2552. > > I CFJ: The zombie auction for January 2019 has been terminated. > > Gratuitous counterarguement: > > The CFJ is FALSE, because a necessary implication of the Rules is that Agora > CAN transfer a zombie pursuant to a properly initiated Rule 1885 zombie > auction. > > Under Rule 2545 (power=2), “An Auction is a way for entities to give away > items in exchange for a currency.” By necessarily implication, if a Rule with > high enough power authorizes some player to initiate an auction with a > particular item as a lot, then that Rule also necessarily authorizes that > player to initiate a process that would “give away [that] item[] in exchange > for a currency.” That’s what an auction is under the Rules. > > Under Rule 1885 (power=2), at the start of the month, “the Registrar CAN put > [a] zombie [that meets certain conditions] (along with any other zombies that > fulfill the same conditions) up for auction.” By necessary implication, read > in conjunction with Rule 2545, that means that a zombie can be transferred > pursuant to that auction. Otherwise it wouldn’t be an auction at all—a way of > transferring an item for currency. It would be something else entirely. > > This interpretation is consistent with the best interests of the game and > ordinary language. There’s no reason to adopt a contrary interpretation, > which would break auctions and zombies.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie Auction
> On Jan 10, 2019, at 1:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I terminate this auction, as per R2552. > > > I CFJ: The zombie auction for January 2019 has been terminated. Gratuitous counterarguement: The CFJ is FALSE, because a necessary implication of the Rules is that Agora CAN transfer a zombie pursuant to a properly initiated Rule 1885 zombie auction. Under Rule 2545 (power=2), “An Auction is a way for entities to give away items in exchange for a currency.” By necessarily implication, if a Rule with high enough power authorizes some player to initiate an auction with a particular item as a lot, then that Rule also necessarily authorizes that player to initiate a process that would “give away [that] item[] in exchange for a currency.” That’s what an auction _is_ under the Rules. Under Rule 1885 (power=2), at the start of the month, “the Registrar CAN put [a] zombie [that meets certain conditions] (along with any other zombies that fulfill the same conditions) up for auction.” By necessary implication, read in conjunction with Rule 2545, that means that a zombie can be transferred pursuant to that auction. Otherwise it wouldn’t be an auction at all—a way of transferring an item for currency. It would be something else entirely. This interpretation is consistent with the best interests of the game and ordinary language. There’s no reason to adopt a contrary interpretation, which would break auctions and zombies.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voodoo
Arg. The registrar resignation and subsequent emails got caught in my spam filter. Sorry. On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:15 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > The Registrar just resigned, but it was due first week of Jan. > > The auctions may still be broken. > > On 1/9/2019 4:41 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > Speaking of zombies, hasn’t it been a while since we’ve had a zombie > auction? I think we are overdue > > > >> On Jan 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > >> > >> I intend, With Notice: > >> - to flip Hālian's master switch to Agora; > >> - to flip L.'s master switch to Agora; and > >> - to flip Publius Scribonius Scholasticus's master switch to Agora. > >> > >> -twg > >> > >> > -- D. Margaux
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voodoo
The Registrar just resigned, but it was due first week of Jan. The auctions may still be broken. On 1/9/2019 4:41 PM, D. Margaux wrote: Speaking of zombies, hasn’t it been a while since we’ve had a zombie auction? I think we are overdue On Jan 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: I intend, With Notice: - to flip Hālian's master switch to Agora; - to flip L.'s master switch to Agora; and - to flip Publius Scribonius Scholasticus's master switch to Agora. -twg
