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On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 19:11 -0400, Quazie wrote: I pledge to transfer a prop from myself to the person who, while not a player and not barred from registering (either due to recent deregistration or non-personship), attempts to register by sending a message using all of the registration suggestions in this thread (both above this pledge and future suggestions that may occur. They will also get another prop if they properly CFJ about each individual registration. I terminate this pledge as obsolete, as the prop transfer happened (IIRC). -- ais523 One prop transfer happened, and I believe I'm still owed another, though there's been concern that I did not attempt to register using future suggestions that may occur in the thread (i. e. after I registered) and so did not deserve the first prop mentioned. I'd like to hear from Quazie about this before I'm forced to initiate an equity case.
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zeckalpha wrote: I was 2 when Agora was born... has there been a player younger than Agora? I believe ehird was the first to mention holding that status.
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On 2009-06-04, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Michael Norrish wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: But Michael created the game. You at least heard of agora before you created it. E created it. E had probably played/watched a lot more nomic than I had. I'd read Steve Gardner's Nomic World reports, and that was it. Oh hey, I could have sworn you were on the MUD for a bit. -G. I was 2 when Agora was born... has there been a player younger than Agora? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK I'm 13, so yes. -- --Rodlen Me too. It makes Agora seem just that more majestic. :P
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On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: I was 2 when Agora was born... has there been a player younger than Agora? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK That is a scary thought. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr
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Reality, rather - see Rodlen and me. Really, anyone 15 or under is eligible. On 2009-06-04, Benjamin Schultz ke...@verizon.net wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: I was 2 when Agora was born... has there been a player younger than Agora? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK That is a scary thought. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Reality, rather - see Rodlen and me. Really, anyone 15 or under is eligible. Just be happy that none of the 15-year-olds from my high school are here. Now, THAT would be scary. -- --Rodlen
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Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P On 2009-06-03, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.comwrote: Clearly I'm a player. I registered in the seventh sentence of my first e-mail. And, Yally, I've been lurking at least a year. Is that at all creepy? It just always seemed very forbidding, I guess. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: I CFJ the following statement: allispaul is a player. If e is not a player, eir CFJs need not occur, nor do I have a White Ribbon, and I burn and discard my Ribbon (If that is possible). ;) Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK ...why?
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I've lurked since 2005... kind of. I was interested in Agora in 2005, but did not participate, nor did I ask to be a watcher. I was subscribed to a-d, but nothing else. I eventually got bored, but stayed subscribed.
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I'm not antilurk. I'm merely a hands on learner. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G.
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G. Same here, except I registered successfully but due to a freezing of hands due to something with cards I was CFJed on by G.
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Quazie wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G. Same here, except I registered successfully but due to a freezing of hands due to something with cards I was CFJed on by G. Of course, in terms of shortest lurk time, Michael will always win. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:35, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G. I never lurked on the lists. The first time I found Agora I tried to grok the ruleset, got lost about halfway through and moved on to other nomics. Later after getting the hang of how nomic worked I came back, re-read the rulset (and made a little more sense of it), subscribed to a-b and registered (well, tried anyway. I think my first attempt was found to be unsuccessful on CFJ). BobTHJ
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Directed at Yally. On 2009-06-03, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I'm not antilurk. I'm merely a hands on learner. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:35, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G. I never lurked on the lists. The first time I found Agora I tried to grok the ruleset, got lost about halfway through and moved on to other nomics. Later after getting the hang of how nomic worked I came back, re-read the rulset (and made a little more sense of it), subscribed to a-b and registered (well, tried anyway. I think my first attempt was found to be unsuccessful on CFJ). BobTHJ I had a printout copy of the ruleset the first time i started agora.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:35, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G. I never lurked on the lists. The first time I found Agora I tried to grok the ruleset, got lost about halfway through and moved on to other nomics. Later after getting the hang of how nomic worked I came back, re-read the rulset (and made a little more sense of it), subscribed to a-b and registered (well, tried anyway. I think my first attempt was found to be unsuccessful on CFJ). BobTHJ I had a printout copy of the ruleset the first time i started agora. I ran out of paper. -- C-walker, who clearly intends this message to be public.
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: I had a printout copy of the ruleset the first time i started agora. I ran out of paper. Double sided.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: I had a printout copy of the ruleset the first time i started agora. I ran out of paper. Double sided. In parentheses. In quotations. With circles and arrows on the back of each one.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Quazie wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G. Same here, except I registered successfully but due to a freezing of hands due to something with cards I was CFJed on by G. Of course, in terms of shortest lurk time, Michael will always win. -G. Not really. I received a grand total of 0 game messages before registering.
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Quazie wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G. Same here, except I registered successfully but due to a freezing of hands due to something with cards I was CFJed on by G. Of course, in terms of shortest lurk time, Michael will always win. -G. Not really. I received a grand total of 0 game messages before registering. But Michael created the game. You at least heard of agora before you created it. E created it.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Quazie wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G. Same here, except I registered successfully but due to a freezing of hands due to something with cards I was CFJed on by G. Of course, in terms of shortest lurk time, Michael will always win. -G. Not really. I received a grand total of 0 game messages before registering. But Michael created the game. You at least heard of agora before you created it. E created it. E had probably played/watched a lot more nomic than I had.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Quazie wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Get off my lawn! Even I lurked for a month or two :P I didn't. Registered within an hour of finding this place. Well, I attempted to and caused a CFJ, *then* registered. And no, you can't have your frisbee back. -G. Same here, except I registered successfully but due to a freezing of hands due to something with cards I was CFJed on by G. Of course, in terms of shortest lurk time, Michael will always win. -G. Not really. I received a grand total of 0 game messages before registering. But Michael created the game. You at least heard of agora before you created it. E created it. E had probably played/watched a lot more nomic than I had. But that's not the point. E had zero lurk time by definition. It took you a positive time to register after signing up for the lists, no?
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: You at least heard of Agora before you joined it. I pledge to transfer a prop from myself to the first person who, while not a player and not barred from registering (either due to recent deregistration or non-personship), attempts to register before ever hearing of Agora. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK I can't find anything about props in the rules or the FAQ... Is it part of a subgame or am I missing something? What I'm asking is, can I do what I just did while following the rules?
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: You at least heard of Agora before you joined it. I pledge to transfer a prop from myself to the first person who, while not a player and not barred from registering (either due to recent deregistration or non-personship), attempts to register before ever hearing of Agora. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK I can't find anything about props in the rules or the FAQ... Is it part of a subgame or am I missing something? What I'm asking is, can I do what I just did while following the rules? It's a public contract. http://agora-notary.wikidot.com/airstrip-one
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: You at least heard of Agora before you joined it. I pledge to transfer a prop from myself to the first person who, while not a player and not barred from registering (either due to recent deregistration or non-personship), attempts to register before ever hearing of Agora. I'm deaf.
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Of course, in terms of shortest lurk time, Michael will always win. -G. Not really. I received a grand total of 0 game messages before registering. I assume you were subscribed for a positive finite time?
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Of course, in terms of shortest lurk time, Michael will always win. -G. Not really. I received a grand total of 0 game messages before registering. I assume you were subscribed for a positive finite time? Lurk time could be defined in number of messages viewed whilst inactive and/or a non-player. or Lurk time could be defined as a positive finite duration of time where said lurker is inactive and/or a non-player. Depending on which it is, *you are both right. *NOT Luke Lockhart. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu
wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
Of course, in terms of shortest lurk time, Michael will always win.
-G.
Not really. I received a grand total of 0 game messages before
registering.
I assume you were subscribed for a positive finite time?
Lurk time could be defined in number of messages viewed whilst
inactive and/or a non-player.
or
Lurk time could be defined as a positive finite duration of time where
said lurker is inactive and/or a non-player.
Depending on which it is, *you are both right.
*NOT Luke Lockhart.
Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
Proposal: Very little or no lurk time (II=1, AI=1)
{
Amend rule 1922, Defined Regular Patent Titles, by adding a new bullet
reading:
(i) Not A Lurker, awarded to those individuals who attempted to emulate
First Speaker Michael Norrish by registering as soon as possible after
hearing about Agora.
Award the Patent Title of Not A Lurker to Yally.
}
I intend, with 3 support, to make this proposal Distributable.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: You at least heard of Agora before you joined it. I pledge to transfer a prop from myself to the first person who, while not a player and not barred from registering (either due to recent deregistration or non-personship), attempts to register before ever hearing of Agora. By the way, just to prove a prop is owed, the following exchange has just happened on AIM a little while ago. (11:15:04 PM) craigbdaniel: Can I talk you into doing something strange and unusual online for no good reason at all? (11:15:40 PM) (Luke, whose sn I have censored): perhaps? (11:15:47 PM) (Luke): what might I help you with, good sir? (11:16:07 PM) craigbdaniel: It requires promising not to google something before signing up on an e-mail list and posting one message to it. (11:16:20 PM) craigbdaniel: But first I have to confirm that the thing you can't google isn't something you've heard of. (11:16:23 PM) (Luke): OK (11:16:26 PM) (Luke): go ahead (11:16:39 PM) craigbdaniel: Does the word Agora mean anything not directly related to either Greece or agoraphobia to you? (11:16:56 PM) (Luke): there's a band called Aghora (11:17:02 PM) craigbdaniel: Excellent. (11:17:14 PM) craigbdaniel: Sign up on the mailing list whose information is here: http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/agora-business (11:17:33 PM) craigbdaniel: then post one message to it explaining that you have no clue what's going on but wish to join them anyway. (11:17:55 PM) (Luke): Okies (11:18:06 PM) craigbdaniel: once it's gone through I will explain everything.
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.comwrote: Award the Patent Title of Not A Lurker to Yally. Doesn't get my vote unless you poll whom amongst us also deserves this. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.comwrote: Award the Patent Title of Not A Lurker to Yally. Doesn't get my vote unless you poll whom amongst us also deserves this. -G. Agreed.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: (11:16:39 PM) craigbdaniel: Does the word Agora mean anything not directly related to either Greece or agoraphobia to you? Evidence. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: (11:16:39 PM) craigbdaniel: Does the word Agora mean anything not directly related to either Greece or agoraphobia to you? Evidence. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK I don't see how what he did is anything different from what I did. I just following a link in Wikipedia to agoranomic.org, thought the game seemed interesting, and registered.
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: (11:16:39 PM) craigbdaniel: Does the word Agora mean anything not directly related to either Greece or agoraphobia to you? Evidence. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK I don't see how what he did is anything different from what I did. I just following a link in Wikipedia to agoranomic.org, thought the game seemed interesting, and registered. You knew it was a game and that it sounded interesting.
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Aaron Goldfein wrote: But Michael created the game. You at least heard of agora before you created it. E created it. E had probably played/watched a lot more nomic than I had. I'd read Steve Gardner's Nomic World reports, and that was it. I think this was through a mailing list that had some general discussion of NW stuff (though no play, as that all happened on the MUD). Someone suggested that NW was untenable and that we should do things by e-mail. Chuck Carroll wrote the ruleset, I volunteered to be the Speaker. We were using the mailing list at the yoyo machine, and so that's what I called the game before we settled on Agora as the name. Michael.
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On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Michael Norrish wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: But Michael created the game. You at least heard of agora before you created it. E created it. E had probably played/watched a lot more nomic than I had. I'd read Steve Gardner's Nomic World reports, and that was it. Oh hey, I could have sworn you were on the MUD for a bit. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Craig Daniel wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: (11:16:39 PM) craigbdaniel: Does the word Agora mean anything not directly related to either Greece or agoraphobia to you? Evidence. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK I don't see how what he did is anything different from what I did. I just following a link in Wikipedia to agoranomic.org, thought the game seemed interesting, and registered. You knew it was a game and that it sounded interesting. And you also probably used some variation of the word register or become a player instead of just join you. -G.
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Michael Norrish wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: But Michael created the game. You at least heard of agora before you created it. E created it. E had probably played/watched a lot more nomic than I had. I'd read Steve Gardner's Nomic World reports, and that was it. Oh hey, I could have sworn you were on the MUD for a bit. -G. I was 2 when Agora was born... has there been a player younger than Agora? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Michael Norrish wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: But Michael created the game. You at least heard of agora before you created it. E created it. E had probably played/watched a lot more nomic than I had. I'd read Steve Gardner's Nomic World reports, and that was it. Oh hey, I could have sworn you were on the MUD for a bit. -G. I was 2 when Agora was born... has there been a player younger than Agora? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK I'm 13, so yes. -- --Rodlen
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Benjamin Caplan
celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote:
Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
2009/6/2 Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Benjamin Caplan
celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote:
I submit the following proposal, Newbie Friendly, II=1, AI=2:
{
Amend Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) by replacing the text
A first-class person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or
prevented by the rules) register by announcing that e registers,
wishes to register, requests registration, or requests
permission to register.
with
A first-class person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or
prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that
indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e
intends to become a player.
}
I intend, with Three Support, to make the above proposal Distributable.
I support.
I support and do so.
I think this fails, as there are only two Supporters.
There are three; myself, Tiger, and Yally.
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Sean Hunt wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: I support and do so. I think this fails, as there are only two Supporters. There are three; myself, Tiger, and Yally. Ah, I see now. Somehow my MUA threaded the messages weirdly.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
2009/6/2 Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com: Sean Hunt wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: I support and do so. I think this fails, as there are only two Supporters. There are three; myself, Tiger, and Yally. Ah, I see now. Somehow my MUA threaded the messages weirdly. No, it was just that two players answered separately, and then I answered one of them, so that only one of them showed up in the quote tree. -- -Tiger
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Given the history of new player registrations, I wouldn't be surprised if people nevertheless managed to mess this one up... I think I'd like to start playing. I would like to know if i can register for agora
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Given the history of new player registrations, I wouldn't be surprised if people nevertheless managed to mess this one up... I think I'd like to start playing. I would like to know if i can register for agora UI VOLD LKE 2 BCOM A REGISTAReD AGRA. -- --Rodlen
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Given the history of new player registrations, I wouldn't be surprised if people nevertheless managed to mess this one up... I think I'd like to start playing. I would like to know if i can register for agora UI VOLD LKE 2 BCOM A REGISTAReD AGRA. -- --Rodlen Would anyone mind if I registered?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
2009/6/3 Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com: I pledge to transfer a prop from myself to the person who, while not a player and not barred from registering (either due to recent deregistration or non-personship), attempts to register by sending a message using all of the registration suggestions in this thread (both above this pledge and future suggestions that may occur. They will also get another prop if they properly CFJ about each individual registration. I fulfill the conditions specified by the above pledge.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
Given the history of new player registrations, I wouldn't be surprised if people nevertheless managed to mess this one up... Nor would I. But the proposed text embodies directly the intention behind the current text, and is probably the best possible form of the Rule. I think I'd like to start playing. When you're sure, all you have to do is send a message to a-b saying that you register. I would like to know if i can register for agora Yes, you can. (Unless, for some reason, e can't; if this is a subject of general uncertainty, this would likely create a CFJ.) UI� VOLD LKE 2 BCOM A REGISTAReD AGRA. Probably effective unless the speaker could be interpreted as a liaison or representative of some other entity, such as a partnership that wants to register. Would anyone mind if I registered? Not at all, go right ahead. (Unless e's a sockpuppet for an exiled ex-player or something.)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
I perform the following actions in sequential order: I fulfill the conditions specified by Quazie's pledge of June 3. IF ABvE FAIED UI VOLD LKE 2 BCOM A REGISTAReD AGRA If either of the above failed, I think I'd like to start playing. If any of the above failed, would anyone mind if I registered? If any of the above failed, I would like to know if I can register for Agora. If any of the above failed, I register. I submit linked CFJ's on the following statements: I was a player before the third sentence in this message. I was a player before the fourth sentence in this message. I was a player before the fifth sentence in this message. I was a player before the sixth sentence in this message. I was a player before the seventh sentence in this message. Note: I've been lurking for a while but have not been a player before. The promise of all-powerful props enticed me to join, I guess. Hi, everybody! You can call me allispaul.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: I perform the following actions in sequential order: I fulfill the conditions specified by Quazie's pledge of June 3. IF ABvE FAIED UI VOLD LKE 2 BCOM A REGISTAReD AGRA If either of the above failed, I think I'd like to start playing. If any of the above failed, would anyone mind if I registered? If any of the above failed, I would like to know if I can register for Agora. If any of the above failed, I register. I submit linked CFJ's on the following statements: I was a player before the third sentence in this message. I was a player before the fourth sentence in this message. I was a player before the fifth sentence in this message. I was a player before the sixth sentence in this message. I was a player before the seventh sentence in this message. Note: I've been lurking for a while but have not been a player before. The promise of all-powerful props enticed me to join, I guess. Hi, everybody! You can call me allispaul. Well done! Your very first NttPF too (also, you can't decide whether CFJs are linked; that's up to the CotC)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
Kyle Marek-Spartz- KDØGTK 2009/6/3 Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com: ... and future suggestions that may occur. How do we know that all of the suggestions occured prior to allispauls perhaps illegitimate request(s)? Uh oh. Wheres the button to register? It's high time I joined this train. Where do I send the check for this pyramid scheme?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I award allispaul a White Ribbon. Welcome to Agora! I got a welcome.. but I don't think I received a ribbon.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.comwrote: I award zeckalpha a White Ribbon. Sweet, I did something. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I award allispaul a White Ribbon. Welcome to Agora! I got a welcome.. but I don't think I received a ribbon. You seem to know a lot about this game for having never played; how long have you been lurking?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
I CFJ the following statement: allispaul is a player. If e is not a player, eir CFJs need not occur, nor do I have a White Ribbon, and I burn and discard my Ribbon (If that is possible). ;) Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.comwrote: Clearly I'm a player. I registered in the seventh sentence of my first e-mail. And, Yally, I've been lurking at least a year. Is that at all creepy? It just always seemed very forbidding, I guess. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: I CFJ the following statement: allispaul is a player. If e is not a player, eir CFJs need not occur, nor do I have a White Ribbon, and I burn and discard my Ribbon (If that is possible). ;) Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK ...why?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly I'm a player. I registered in the seventh sentence of my first e-mail. Well through lurking you learn more, I guess, but doesn't NttPF disqualify that? Sorry I'm being nitpicky but the more I ask the more I learn. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly I'm a player. I registered in the seventh sentence of my first e-mail. Well through lurking you learn more, I guess, but doesn't NttPF disqualify that? Sorry I'm being nitpicky but the more I ask the more I learn. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK E TTttPF'd.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I award allispaul a White Ribbon. Welcome to Agora! I got a welcome.. but I don't think I received a ribbon. I'm waiting for the CFJ to be resolved; you can award yourself the Ribbon if you want.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
zeckalpha wrote: I CFJ the following statement: allispaul is a player. NttPF
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: zeckalpha wrote: I CFJ the following statement: allispaul is a player. NttPF So the point is moot. ;) I missed the forwarding e did. I see it now. I do not intend to move any actions I performed to the PF, as I've learned from this as it is. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Gratuitous: This would have been more interesting after my proposal was passed. As it is, the CFJs are almost certainly all FALSE. Gratuitous: this isn't the point. The goal is not to find out if they worked, but to fulfill the conditions of the pledge. Consider it eir first scam. (Also: hooray for one more person in the einos-Agora overlap!)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Gratuitous: This would have been more interesting after my proposal was passed. As it is, the CFJs are almost certainly all FALSE. Gratuitous: this isn't the point. The goal is not to find out if they worked, but to fulfill the conditions of the pledge. Consider it eir first scam. (Also: hooray for one more person in the einos-Agora overlap!) Gratuitous: In a language I developed secretly, the noun denoting a player of a game is formed from the name of that game by deleting its third letter and putting it in all-caps. So an AGRA is a player of Agora, and a CFJ is a player of Cfoj, a game involving ice-picks developed by scientists in Antarctica to pass the time. So the third attempt at registration may have succeeded, but I was unable to call any of the CFJ's because the phone lines to Antarctica are frozen, it being winter in the Southern Hemisphere. Actually, even without this correction, I believe this attempt may have worked. It is, after, all, reasonably unambiguous-- though horribly misspelled, I believe that everyone who read it understood its intended meaning, and is this not the epitome of unambiguity? The only ambiguity I saw was in AGRA. Which could be a misspelling of Agoran, which sense could be determined by common sense and context.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: Gratuitous: In a language I developed secretly, the noun denoting a player of a game is formed from the name of that game by deleting its third letter and putting it in all-caps. So an AGRA is a player of Agora, and a CFJ is a player of Cfoj, a game involving ice-picks developed by scientists in Antarctica to pass the time. I know one of those. I should ask him about the rules; perhaps we can come up with an online imitation for use as a subgame. - teucer
