Re: [Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L - where's Waldo?)
Lainaus Paul Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mark - i'm not trying to apportion blame, but i would note that if you had not updated the firmware, this would not have happened. also, i had hoped that takashi or jaroslav would have applied the patches already mailed to the mailing list to CVS, but they chose not for various reasons. i use my H-DSP almost every day, and it works without problems for most things (you know most of the issues). [...] i believe that my work and now thomas's will be available very soon, and will make the hdsp a truly phenomenal card under linux. How about if you send a diff of the driver you're using with your hdsp with firmware rev 11 against current cvs? I've never done it but I could try and build an first-aid rpm for Mark and others who want it. Unless of course cvs will be up to date very soon. I tried to patch the driver with your patch version II I found in the archives but it was very difficult because of the extra linefeeds the mail archive had added to the patch. I don't think it went right. At least the first hunk I had to edit in by hand afterwards. Whatever the reason, my multiface doesn't get recognized. It might be my pcmcia setup or (hopefully not) the laptop or the card itself. It would be great to have less places to look for faults. If you don't see making and sending a patch like this as a good idea, could you or Thomas give a rough estimate of the time it will take Thomas to finish his work? I'm asking these things _not_ to hurry you up but because I have to make plans and draw a map of the setup I'm going to use in a theater production we start building in a week from now. If my card doesn't work at that point, it's ok by me, I'll just use something else. I'd love to use the multiface of course :-) thomas also has written an almost-finished version of totalmix for linux (with bitmaps from RME), and that is really impressive to see running. You guys simply *rule*! :-) -- Jaakko Prättälä [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.Helsinki.FI/Jaakko.Prattala --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L - where's Waldo?)
Jaakko Prttl wrote: Lainaus Paul Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mark - i'm not trying to apportion blame, but i would note that if you had not updated the firmware, this would not have happened. also, i had hoped that takashi or jaroslav would have applied the patches already mailed to the mailing list to CVS, but they chose not for various reasons. i use my H-DSP almost every day, and it works without problems for most things (you know most of the issues). [...] i believe that my work and now thomas's will be available very soon, and will make the hdsp a truly phenomenal card under linux. How about if you send a diff of the driver you're using with your hdsp with firmware rev 11 against current cvs? I've never done it but I could try and build an first-aid rpm for Mark and others who want it. Unless of course cvs will be up to date very soon. I tried to patch the driver with your patch version II I found in the archives but it was very difficult because of the extra linefeeds the mail archive had added to the patch. I don't think it went right. At least the first hunk I had to edit in by hand afterwards. Whatever the reason, my multiface doesn't get recognized. It might be my pcmcia setup or (hopefully not) the laptop or the card itself. It would be great to have less places to look for faults. snip Hi list, yeah, I'd like to second what Jaakko asks for. I did patch the current hdsp.c (rev. 1.26) with Paul's version II patch and Thomas' spdifFrequency bitmasks fix. After some preliminary corrections as described above, I'm quite sure that the patch was applied correctly. It was not possible to get the firmware rev 11 loaded. During boot the test for iobox does not recognize the attached Multiface. Manually loading the driver 'modprobe snd-hdsp' completely freezes the machine. Preloading the firmware by booting into Windoze helps a bit in that after loading Linux again and applying a certain combination of card ejects and reinserts combined with modprobing the driver finally leads to a stable (?) setup with sound output on the line out jack. If you decide to post some beta version of the announced mega patch, I'd like to offer some help in testing and reporting (if time permits, but over the weekend there's always some ... ;-). I'd love to see (hear!) the hdsp fully supported under Linux. Greetings from Berlin ... Michael --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L - where's Waldo?)
It was not possible to get the firmware rev 11 loaded. During boot the which version? the initial version i sent to the list was corrupted. the correct files look like this: -rw-rw-r-- 1 paul paul 293050 Mar 11 09:50 /usr/local/music/src/alsa-cvs/alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/digiface_firmware_rev11.dat -rw-rw-r-- 1 paul paul 293051 Mar 11 09:51 /usr/local/music/src/alsa-cvs/alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/multiface_firmware_rev11.dat --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L - where's Waldo?)
Paul Davis wrote: It was not possible to get the firmware rev 11 loaded. During boot the which version? the initial version i sent to the list was corrupted. the correct files look like this: -rw-rw-r-- 1 paul paul 293050 Mar 11 09:50 /usr/local/music/src/alsa-cvs/alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/digiface_firmware_rev11.dat -rw-rw-r-- 1 paul paul 293051 Mar 11 09:51 /usr/local/music/src/alsa-cvs/alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/multiface_firmware_rev11.dat Hi Paul, yep, I got the correct versions from: ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/tests/hdsp_rev11.tar.bz2 as Jaroslaw posted on Sun, Mar 16. Thanks ... Michael --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
[Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L - where's Waldo?)
Takashi, I have two sound devices (on-board Via device and an RME HDSP 9652) but I only want to configure the RME. Currently alsaconf finds the RME, attempts to install the drivers, and then the drivers fail saying they cannot find the cards. I had hoped that possibly the log file would give me more information on why. I suppose it will not if it's only for ISA devices. (BTW - alsaconf does find this Via chip and can configure it correctly.) I think that the --help for alsaconf should make this more clear. Currently it says: -L|--log logging on /tmp/alsaconf.log No idea it only covers ISA devcies. OK, so I start with a clean /etc/modules.conf looking like this: alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc alias eth0 bcm4400 alias usb-controller ehci-hcd alias usb-controller1 usb-uhci lspci -v shows: SNIP 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Xilinx, Inc. RME Hammerfall DSP (rev 68) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10 Memory at e980 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K] SNIP I then run alsaconf. It shows the hdsp and the via82xx. I choose the hdsp and get the following: Loading driver.. Starting sound driver snd-hdsp /lib/modules/2.4.20-1.12.ll.acpi/kernel/drivers/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg init_module: No such device /lib/modules/2.4.20-1.12.ll.acpi/kernel/drivers/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.20-1.12.ll.acpi/kernel/drivers/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.20-1.12.ll.acpi/kernel/drivers/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: insmod snd-hdsp failed [FAILED] Setting default volumes.. === Now ALSA is ready to use. For adjustment of volumes, please use alsamixer or gamix. Have a lot of fun! [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# modules.conf now looks like: alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc alias eth0 bcm4400 alias usb-controller ehci-hcd alias usb-controller1 usb-uhci # --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- # --- ALSACONF verion 0.9.0 --- alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-hdsp alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss options snd major=116 cards_limit=1 device_mode=0666 options snd-hdsp index=0 # --- END: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. The card is not recognized on reboot either. dmesg shows a log string of these messages: Hammerfall memory allocator: buffers allocated for 1 cards RME Hammerfall-DSP: no cards found Hammerfall memory allocator: buffers allocated for 1 cards RME Hammerfall-DSP: no cards found Now, this all worked fine on the previous 2.4.19-1.ll kernel from the PlanetCCRMA site **BEFORE** I updated firmware on the HDSP 9652 for new Win XP driver support. After updating firmware for the card, the alsaconf program I had for the 2.4.19-1.ll kernel no longer recognized the card at all and cannot write anything in modules.conf. I have a new PC in my studio, using a newer kernel from the Planet not released widely yet. (2.4.20-1.12.ll.acpi) The kernel is dated Sunday, Feb. 2nd. The alsa RPM is dated Feb. 18th and appears to be alsa 0.9.0-45, if that makes sense. I understand some of this might be Fernando's numbering system for the Planet. The alsaconf that comes with this kernel recognizes the card, but the driver doesn't load and says there's no card. Chicken egg problem apparently... Thanks for any help you can provide. Cheers, Mark On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 05:59, Takashi Iwai wrote: At 21 Mar 2003 05:50:47 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, The --help option says that I can get a log file from alsaconf using the -L option. If I look in /tmp while alsaconf is running, I see some files, but when alsaconf has finished, the files are gone... yep, they are temporary working directories. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mark]$ ls /tmp alsaconf.3nMgvm alsaconf.txNTFm ksocket-mark orbit-mark ssh-XX7Jn9me alsaconf.Ef6KCm kde-mark mcop-mark ssh-XX1CS1IB ssh-XXIbrHpS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mark]$ ls /tmp kde-mark ksocket-mark mcop-mark orbit-mark ssh-XX1CS1IB ssh-XX7Jn9me ssh-XXIbrHpS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mark]$ Is this file possibly put somewhere else? I'm trying to figure out why alsaconf is complaining about this card. /tmp/alsaconf.log is created only when the legacy cards are probed. it's for a deubgging purpose only... Loading driver.. Starting sound driver snd-hdsp /lib/modules/2.4.20-1.12.ll.acpi/kernel/drivers/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: Hint: insmod errors can be
Re: [Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L -where's Waldo?)
On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 16:17, Mark Knecht wrote: Takashi, I have two sound devices (on-board Via device and an RME HDSP 9652) but I only want to configure the RME. Currently alsaconf finds the RME, attempts to install the drivers, and then the drivers fail saying they cannot find the cards. I had hoped that possibly the log file would give me more information on why. I suppose it will not if it's only for ISA devices. (BTW - alsaconf does find this Via chip and can configure it correctly.) You need a more recent version of the driver, probably the cvs version for this card. The configurator probably checks the PCI id but not the revision nuumber. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L -where's Waldo?)
On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 08:39, Justin Cormack wrote: On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 16:17, Mark Knecht wrote: Takashi, I have two sound devices (on-board Via device and an RME HDSP 9652) but I only want to configure the RME. Currently alsaconf finds the RME, attempts to install the drivers, and then the drivers fail saying they cannot find the cards. I had hoped that possibly the log file would give me more information on why. I suppose it will not if it's only for ISA devices. (BTW - alsaconf does find this Via chip and can configure it correctly.) You need a more recent version of the driver, probably the cvs version for this card. The configurator probably checks the PCI id but not the revision nuumber. Justin, Thanks for the reply. It makes sense to me, however, since I use the PlanetCCRMA flow, and alsa is supplied as an RPM, I have no way (that I know of) to just get a new driver, compile it and try it out. I need a new RPM, I think. Thanks for the ideas! Cheers, Mark --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L -where's Waldo?)
On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 09:45, Paul Davis wrote: Now, this all worked fine on the previous 2.4.19-1.ll kernel from the PlanetCCRMA site **BEFORE** I updated firmware on the HDSP 9652 for new Win XP driver support. After updating firmware for the card, the alsaconf program I had for the 2.4.19-1.ll kernel no longer recognized the card at all and cannot write anything in modules.conf. you cannot use the current ALSA driver with the new firmware. i submitted a patch to handle the new firmware, but it has not been put into CVS yet. meanwhile, thomas charbonnel has extended the work i did and added some more stuff, and so we are working on a mega-patch that fixes lots of issues with full H-DSP support. once thomas gets his tasklet problems fixed (for MIDI I/O without affecting PCM latency), we'll submit the patch again. --p Paul, Well, I guess thanks then for saving the rest of my vacation Friday from being a total waste of time. I took the day off to focus on getting this Alsa stuff going. Now I find I cannot. Too bad for me I guess. I guess I will take my vacation day and rewire my studio to get this Linux box out of the audio path completely. In a few hours I'll be back to where I was last September, other than using Linux for email now, it just doesn't seem like a positive 6 months. Not your fault. All mine for even trying to use this Linux stuff seriously I suppose. Such disappointment. Mark --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L - where's Waldo?)
Well, I guess thanks then for saving the rest of my vacation Friday from being a total waste of time. I took the day off to focus on getting this Alsa stuff going. Now I find I cannot. Too bad for me I guess. mark - i'm not trying to apportion blame, but i would note that if you had not updated the firmware, this would not have happened. also, i had hoped that takashi or jaroslav would have applied the patches already mailed to the mailing list to CVS, but they chose not for various reasons. i use my H-DSP almost every day, and it works without problems for most things (you know most of the issues). the problems you have had are unfortunate, and i regret them, but unfortunately i do not have write access to ALSA CVS (i'm not sure i want it), and trying to support the very confusing situation that RME have created with the H-DSP has been hard to do (2 PCI rev numbers, 2 incompatible ROM-based firmware versions, 2 versions of the driver-loaded firmware, plus the hdsp-9652 which is a lot like the h-dsp but has no driver-loaded firmware and different register access rules sigh). i believe that my work and now thomas's will be available very soon, and will make the hdsp a truly phenomenal card under linux. thomas also has written an almost-finished version of totalmix for linux (with bitmaps from RME), and that is really impressive to see running. next time you go to upgrade the firmware on anything (your BIOS, a SCSI adapter, a sound card), its best to be sure to ask first if it will affect existing driver's ability to interact with the h/w. --p --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] NEW hdsp 9652 problems - {WAS: alsaconf -L -where's Waldo?)
On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 11:05, Paul Davis wrote: Well, I guess thanks then for saving the rest of my vacation Friday from being a total waste of time. I took the day off to focus on getting this Alsa stuff going. Now I find I cannot. Too bad for me I guess. mark - i'm not trying to apportion blame, but i would note that if you had not updated the firmware, this would not have happened. also, i had hoped that takashi or jaroslav would have applied the patches already mailed to the mailing list to CVS, but they chose not for various reasons. Paul, I completely accept responsibility for this series of problems. Between September and December I had an opportunity to choose what hardware to buy. I made my choice, right or wrong. From December until today I have waited for this hardware to really work, but it doesn't work today. Two weeks ago, wanting to compare Linux and Windows in more depth, and making no real progress with Linux, I pressed the button and allowed RME's software to update my card so that I could use the best they have to offer in Windows. It killed Linux. That was my choice, wise or not. On the positive side, I must tell people that Linux kicks but. I can run my box with Linux/Alsa/Jack, doing recording, or playing CDs, at sub 3mS latencies. I've pushed it down to 1.2mS and it's not failed, but I think it might. The same box, running Win XP, cannot do better than 12mS and seems to work better at 23mS. Guess which one I'd rather be using when I use soft synths live? This issue is not your fault, nor your responsility to fix. You are quite busy with two very important projects, Jack and Ardour. You don't need to become a focal point for developing specifc drivers. I don't expect it of you. I have come to understand just how much Alsa support is on a very adhoc basis. It is not possible, I think, for any user like myself to depend on a specific piece of hardware having support, or really knowing when any piece of hardware will _ever_ be supported. I've also come to find out just how much Alsa and Jack are still at the point of changing protocols. This causes things to break. Beyond that, there is a general sense that if developers want to change things and cause stuff to break, then users should just put up with it, or learn to compile kernels, or spend their time reading web sites to find solutions for problems that didn't exist the day before. I don't think that works very well, but I have no power to influence the outcome of you or anyone else in the development community when you press your buttons. The unfortunate part of this adventure into Linuxland is that 6 months has gone by and I have barely written music. This is not what I want, nor the way I'm willing to spend my time. Will this machine ever work in the future? I don't know, but I hope so. In the meantime I have a shiny new Athlon XP 2600+, 512MB of PC2700 DRAM, RME HDSP 9652 and a disk drive that's doing 45-50MB/Sec sitting here doing nothing but fetchmail. Cheers, Mark i use my H-DSP almost every day, and it works without problems for most things (you know most of the issues). the problems you have had are unfortunate, and i regret them, but unfortunately i do not have write access to ALSA CVS (i'm not sure i want it), and trying to support the very confusing situation that RME have created with the H-DSP has been hard to do (2 PCI rev numbers, 2 incompatible ROM-based firmware versions, 2 versions of the driver-loaded firmware, plus the hdsp-9652 which is a lot like the h-dsp but has no driver-loaded firmware and different register access rules sigh). i believe that my work and now thomas's will be available very soon, and will make the hdsp a truly phenomenal card under linux. thomas also has written an almost-finished version of totalmix for linux (with bitmaps from RME), and that is really impressive to see running. next time you go to upgrade the firmware on anything (your BIOS, a SCSI adapter, a sound card), its best to be sure to ask first if it will affect existing driver's ability to interact with the h/w. --p --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
