Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-19 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Hi,
management of topbar colors is a little more complex than changing of image...
In fact, you only have one topbar that should be in neutral color : reference 
color should be #7f7f7f but that's only to make things easier...
Now you have this pixmap you can affect its color using these parameters
topbarbg#1b9bfe/topbarbg
topbarawaybg#46c51a/topbarawaybg
topbarbusybg#f30101/topbarbusybg
topbarofflinebg#bdbebd/topbarofflinebg
NB : these sample colors are taken from sheeny skin so colors won't fit with 
default skin
Phil

Le Monday 19 February 2007 00:26:45 tonighx, vous avez écrit :
 2007/2/19, tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  if I haven't missed anything, I think anyone will agree with this little
  patch
 
  it was easy to chage the CL colors,
  but for the topbar in the chat window the same colors doesn't fit to
  the blue top bar
  I couldn't figure oute how to change that

 there should be different cwtopback.png for the different statuses
 to allow to change the text color. what should the names be?

 the color of the (status) and Spaces info text don't seem to depend on the
 skin. gray text is not readable if it happens to be on the backgrund
 picture

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-18 Thread tonighx

I think the different kinds of notifications are too similar
just the different color of the dot in the upper left corner isn't enough
and even the text ain't immediate to read

I was thinking of something like this (if you don't like the colors,
they're easy to change)


notifyoffline.png
Description: PNG image


notifyonline.png
Description: PNG image


notifyplugins.png
Description: PNG image


notifystate.png
Description: PNG image
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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-18 Thread tonighx

at revision 7990 a lot of graphics were update, but I can't see much
difference, the one I can see is the window icon... maybe a
transparency problem


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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-18 Thread Gustavo A. Díaz

I didn't touch that... so i don't know Maybe cause of your commit
Billiob? because i just updated 12 pixmaps...

2007/2/18, tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


at revision 7990 a lot of graphics were update, but I can't see much
difference, the one I can see is the window icon... maybe a
transparency problem

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-18 Thread Boris Faure (aka billiob)
i only changed the mime-types for those images.

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 at revision 7990 a lot of graphics were update, but I can't see much
 difference, the one I can see is the window icon... maybe a
 transparency problem

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-18 Thread Boris Faure (aka billiob)
It's maybe due to commit 7987
(http://svn.sourceforge.net/amsn/?rev=7987view=rev)
Log Message:
coloured window manager icons

 2007/2/18, tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-18 Thread tonighx

if I haven't missed anything, I think anyone will agree with this little patch

it was easy to chage the CL colors,
but for the topbar in the chat window the same colors doesn't fit to
the blue top bar
I couldn't figure oute how to change that

2007/2/18, Boris Faure (aka billiob) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

It's maybe due to commit 7987
(http://svn.sourceforge.net/amsn/?rev=7987view=rev)
Log Message:
coloured window manager icons

 2007/2/18, tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
 at revision 7990 a lot of graphics were update, but I can't see much
 difference, the one I can see is the window icon... maybe a
 transparency problem

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-18 Thread tonighx
2007/2/19, tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 if I haven't missed anything, I think anyone will agree with this little patch

 it was easy to chage the CL colors,
 but for the topbar in the chat window the same colors doesn't fit to
 the blue top bar
 I couldn't figure oute how to change that

there should be different cwtopback.png for the different statuses
to allow to change the text color. what should the names be?

the color of the (status) and Spaces info text don't seem to depend on the skin.
gray text is not readable if it happens to be on the backgrund picture

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-18 Thread Youness Alaoui
spaces feature is still being developed..


On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 12:26:45AM +0100, tonighx wrote:
 2007/2/19, tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  if I haven't missed anything, I think anyone will agree with this little 
  patch
 
  it was easy to chage the CL colors,
  but for the topbar in the chat window the same colors doesn't fit to
  the blue top bar
  I couldn't figure oute how to change that
 
 there should be different cwtopback.png for the different statuses
 to allow to change the text color. what should the names be?
 
 the color of the (status) and Spaces info text don't seem to depend on the 
 skin.
 gray text is not readable if it happens to be on the backgrund picture
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-18 Thread Youness Alaoui
http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.amsn.php?t=2810

On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:15:04PM +0100, Boris Faure (aka billiob) 
wrote:
 i only changed the mime-types for those images.
 
 On 2/18/07, tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  at revision 7990 a lot of graphics were update, but I can't see much
  difference, the one I can see is the window icon... maybe a
  transparency problem
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-17 Thread capricious . falcon

Hi Gus,
The one thing I don't like about emerald is the scrollbars.The background of
the bar and the buttons is fine, I guess, (although could maybe be a bit
more subtle), but the button arrows and the handle (circle thing in middle
of bar) do not fit. As a rule, the arrows should either be just two lines
(no 'base' to the triangle) or solid triangles. A hollow triangle doesn't
really work... About the handle, I don't think the circle shape fits with
the rest of the scrollbar, which is all squares/rectangles. Maybe just some
subtle ridges or bumps like in win would be better.

Overall though, the skin's looking really good, congrats :)
Tom

On 13/02/07, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi everyone,

   Since we gonna use Emerald2.0 SVG sources for this New Look i must
ask: which are the images or part of the skin that should be
changed/improved to fit with a New Default skin?. I will need this to start
designing and see if i could have it done for 0.97 release.

Thanks.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-15 Thread Gustavo A. Diaz




 Yes! is why i've asked to tile that image, not to use the buddies...
but some other pixmap, and as you say, a smaller image of course. Is
what i was thinking. Because is in vain to use one BG image not tiled
when someone maximize the amsn window. Just what i think :)

Cheers.

Youness Alaoui escribi:

  3 - don't worry, you'll often get multiple times the same critic, you must accept it, it doesn't mean "damn it, 
we told you to do this and you didn't!" it only means "yes, I agree that this should be done", so you know it's 
not "only me" who don't like the smileys or whatever... 
nothing forces you to reply to the same critic twice, just let them be sent so you know how many people think 
the same thing, but answer just once.
4 - not sure about tiles, maybe as an option (if it's easy to do it with tk, otherwise no reason to do it...) 
but it would depend on the skin because the msn logo or the emerald logo would not be good tiles, but a 
wave/mosaic pattern would look good and in smaller size than a big image to compensate...

KKRT


On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:05:05PM -0300, Gustavo A. Daz wrote:
  
  
Hi Phil...


1- Is planned.
2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
mine ("Reaa pleaseee the ML!!" once someone told me to do that :P)...
and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me with
this? :)
4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this... it
is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be better
when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
tiled.

Thanks.

Cheers.

2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


  Hi,
I haven't much time...
First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to
the
status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no
need
to read)...
Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from
M$N
(correct me if I am wrong..)
Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group
where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
Phil

Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez crit:
  
  
I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
to fit the New Default one.

tonighx escribi:


  Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
it's too bold, "winXP like"
I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
and leave fancy things to the extra skins

2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself

3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
too big and weird

5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
much more visible than just the icon

6 - the "invisibe" winicon is identical to the "online" one. I tried
to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but I
couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency

7 - the "close tab" button doesn't look like a "close tab" button but
like a popup list button, this could be confusing

sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this

tongihx

2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Daz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
  
Hola.

1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel

  

  
  that
  
  

  
Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
implement
same as NewCL there.
3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with a
pic?
4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
Project
(that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.

2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


  back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
1 - thebackground should change :p
2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice,
  

  

  
  it
  
  

  
looks like a tk frame :s



  3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big
  

  

  
  and
  
  

  
weird, why is it like that ?



  4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with
  
  

Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-15 Thread Gustavo A. Diaz




 Yes! is why I've asked to tile that image, not to use the buddies...
but some other pixmap, and as you say, a smaller image of course. Is
what i was thinking. Because is in vain to use one BG image not tiled
when someone maximize the aMSN window. Maybe this could be an option,
depends of the skin... because some will want to tile that image and
some others not (perhaps inside the settings.xml). Just what i think :)

Cheers.

Youness Alaoui escribi:

  3 - don't worry, you'll often get multiple times the same critic, you must accept it, it doesn't mean "damn it, 
we told you to do this and you didn't!" it only means "yes, I agree that this should be done", so you know it's 
not "only me" who don't like the smileys or whatever... 
nothing forces you to reply to the same critic twice, just let them be sent so you know how many people think 
the same thing, but answer just once.
4 - not sure about tiles, maybe as an option (if it's easy to do it with tk, otherwise no reason to do it...) 
but it would depend on the skin because the msn logo or the emerald logo would not be good tiles, but a 
wave/mosaic pattern would look good and in smaller size than a big image to compensate...

KKRT


On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:05:05PM -0300, Gustavo A. Daz wrote:
  
  
Hi Phil...


1- Is planned.
2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
mine ("Reaa pleaseee the ML!!" once someone told me to do that :P)...
and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me with
this? :)
4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this... it
is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be better
when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
tiled.

Thanks.

Cheers.

2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


  Hi,
I haven't much time...
First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to
the
status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no
need
to read)...
Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from
M$N
(correct me if I am wrong..)
Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group
where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
Phil

Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez crit:
  
  
I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
to fit the New Default one.

tonighx escribi:


  Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
it's too bold, "winXP like"
I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
and leave fancy things to the extra skins

2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself

3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
too big and weird

5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
much more visible than just the icon

6 - the "invisibe" winicon is identical to the "online" one. I tried
to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but I
couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency

7 - the "close tab" button doesn't look like a "close tab" button but
like a popup list button, this could be confusing

sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this

tongihx

2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Daz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
  
Hola.

1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel

  

  
  that
  
  

  
Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
implement
same as NewCL there.
3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with a
pic?
4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
Project
(that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.

2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


  back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
1 - thebackground should change :p
2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice,
  

  

  
  it
  
  

  
looks like a tk frame :s



  3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big
  

  

  
  and
  
  

  
  

Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-15 Thread Tommy Quist

didn't read the whole thing about this, so if I'm saying nothing new, do
ignore me...

So I just checked the skin, and I think it looks quite good. What is a bit
annoying though is the large contrast between the strongly visible tops of
the groups, and the very thin dotted line around it. I think the dotted line
is good the way it is, but the top would probably look better thinner, or
lighter.

On 2/15/07, Gustavo A. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yes! is why i've asked to tile that image, not to use the buddies...
but some other pixmap, and as you say, a smaller image of course. Is what i
was thinking. Because is in vain to use one BG image not tiled when someone
maximize the amsn window. Just what i think :)

Cheers.

Youness Alaoui escribió:

3 - don't worry, you'll often get multiple times the same critic, you must accept 
it, it doesn't mean damn it,
we told you to do this and you didn't! it only means yes, I agree that this should 
be done, so you know it's
not only me who don't like the smileys or whatever...
nothing forces you to reply to the same critic twice, just let them be sent so 
you know how many people think
the same thing, but answer just once.
4 - not sure about tiles, maybe as an option (if it's easy to do it with tk, 
otherwise no reason to do it...)
but it would depend on the skin because the msn logo or the emerald logo would 
not be good tiles, but a
wave/mosaic pattern would look good and in smaller size than a big image to 
compensate...

KKRT


On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:05:05PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:

 Hi Phil...


1- Is planned.
2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
mine (Reaa pleaseee the ML!! once someone told me to do that :P)...
and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me with
this? :)
4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this... it
is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be better
when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
tiled.

Thanks.

Cheers.

2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi,
I haven't much time...
First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to
the
status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no
need
to read)...
Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from
M$N
(correct me if I am wrong..)
Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group
where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
Phil

Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez écrit:

 I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
to fit the New Default one.

tonighx escribió:

 Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
it's too bold, winXP like
I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
and leave fancy things to the extra skins

2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself

3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
too big and weird

5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
much more visible than just the icon

6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but I
couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency

7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button but
like a popup list button, this could be confusing

sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this

tongihx

2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hola.

1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel

  that

  Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
implement
same as NewCL there.
3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with a
pic?
4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
Project
(that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.

2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
1 - thebackground should change :p
2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice,

  it

  looks like a tk frame :s

 3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big

  and

  weird, why is it like that ?

 4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with

 

Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-15 Thread Tommy Quist

Oh and yes, I forgot, I agree with whomever said it that the tabs aren't too
great, since you know, they're not tabs, but buttons. It somehow eminds me
of when GNOME decided to go along with the terrible terrible idea of using
buttons instead of an address bar in Nautilus.

On 2/15/07, Tommy Quist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


didn't read the whole thing about this, so if I'm saying nothing new, do
ignore me...

So I just checked the skin, and I think it looks quite good. What is a bit
annoying though is the large contrast between the strongly visible tops of
the groups, and the very thin dotted line around it. I think the dotted line
is good the way it is, but the top would probably look better thinner, or
lighter.

On 2/15/07, Gustavo A. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes! is why i've asked to tile that image, not to use the buddies...
 but some other pixmap, and as you say, a smaller image of course. Is what i
 was thinking. Because is in vain to use one BG image not tiled when someone
 maximize the amsn window. Just what i think :)

 Cheers.

 Youness Alaoui escribió:

 3 - don't worry, you'll often get multiple times the same critic, you must accept 
it, it doesn't mean damn it,
 we told you to do this and you didn't! it only means yes, I agree that this 
should be done, so you know it's

 not only me who don't like the smileys or whatever...
 nothing forces you to reply to the same critic twice, just let them be sent 
so you know how many people think
 the same thing, but answer just once.

 4 - not sure about tiles, maybe as an option (if it's easy to do it with tk, 
otherwise no reason to do it...)
 but it would depend on the skin because the msn logo or the emerald logo 
would not be good tiles, but a

 wave/mosaic pattern would look good and in smaller size than a big image to 
compensate...

 KKRT


 On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:05:05PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:

  Hi Phil...


 1- Is planned.
 2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
 3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
 mine (Reaa pleaseee the ML!! once someone told me to do that :P)...

 and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me with
 this? :)
 4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
 spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this... it

 is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be better
 when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
 tiled.

 Thanks.

 Cheers.

 2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Hi,
 I haven't much time...
 First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to
 the
 status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no
 need
 to read)...

 Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from
 M$N
 (correct me if I am wrong..)
 Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
 Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group

 where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
 Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
 Phil

 Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez écrit:

  I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
 say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

 Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved

 to fit the New Default one.

 tonighx escribió:

  Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
 it's too bold, winXP like
 I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
 IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,

 and leave fancy things to the extra skins

 2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself

 3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
 too big and weird

 5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
 much more visible than just the icon

 6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
 to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but I

 couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency

 7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button but
 like a popup list button, this could be confusing

 sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this

 tongihx

 2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Hola.

 1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel

   that

   Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
 2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
 implement
 same as NewCL there.
 3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with a

 pic?
 4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
 Project
 (that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.

 2007/2/13, Youness 

Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-15 Thread Gustavo A. Díaz

Totally Agree.

2007/2/15, Tommy Quist [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Oh and yes, I forgot, I agree with whomever said it that the tabs aren't
too great, since you know, they're not tabs, but buttons. It somehow eminds
me of when GNOME decided to go along with the terrible terrible idea of
using buttons instead of an address bar in Nautilus.

On 2/15/07, Tommy Quist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 didn't read the whole thing about this, so if I'm saying nothing new, do
 ignore me...

 So I just checked the skin, and I think it looks quite good. What is a
 bit annoying though is the large contrast between the strongly visible tops
 of the groups, and the very thin dotted line around it. I think the dotted
 line is good the way it is, but the top would probably look better thinner,
 or lighter.

 On 2/15/07, Gustavo A. Diaz  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Yes! is why i've asked to tile that image, not to use the
  buddies... but some other pixmap, and as you say, a smaller image of course.
  Is what i was thinking. Because is in vain to use one BG image not tiled
  when someone maximize the amsn window. Just what i think :)
 
  Cheers.
 
  Youness Alaoui escribió:
 
  3 - don't worry, you'll often get multiple times the same critic, you must 
accept it, it doesn't mean damn it,
  we told you to do this and you didn't! it only means yes, I agree that this 
should be done, so you know it's
 
 
  not only me who don't like the smileys or whatever...
  nothing forces you to reply to the same critic twice, just let them be sent 
so you know how many people think
  the same thing, but answer just once.
 
 
  4 - not sure about tiles, maybe as an option (if it's easy to do it with 
tk, otherwise no reason to do it...)
  but it would depend on the skin because the msn logo or the emerald logo 
would not be good tiles, but a
 
 
  wave/mosaic pattern would look good and in smaller size than a big image to 
compensate...
 
  KKRT
 
 
  On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:05:05PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
 
   Hi Phil...
 
 
  1- Is planned.
  2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
  3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
  mine (Reaa pleaseee the ML!! once someone told me to do that :P)...
 
 
  and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me with
  this? :)
  4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
  spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this... it
 
 
  is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be better
  when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
  tiled.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Cheers.
 
  2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Hi,
  I haven't much time...
  First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to
  the
  status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no
  need
  to read)...
 
 
  Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from
  M$N
  (correct me if I am wrong..)
  Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
  Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group
 
 
  where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
  Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
  Phil
 
  Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez écrit:
 
   I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
  say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is
 
  Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
 
 
  to fit the New Default one.
 
  tonighx escribió:
 
   Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
  it's too bold, winXP like
  I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
  IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
 
 
  and leave fancy things to the extra skins
 
  2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself
 
  3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
  too big and weird
 
 
  5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
  much more visible than just the icon
 
  6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
  to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but I
 
 
  couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency
 
  7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button but
  like a popup list button, this could be confusing
 
 
  sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this
 
  tongihx
 
  2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Hola.
 
  1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel
 
that
 
Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
  2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
  implement
  same as NewCL there.
  3- I dont have that border 

Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-15 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Hi,
about the smiley thing, I did read the list but it was more to show that I 
agreed with others : the So was here to show that... Too bad you 
misunderstood it / I can't express well ;)
About tiling, it's not done yet because because Karel thought about a 
setting to let users change their background... (Maybe he wanted to have his 
girl friend in background :d). Anyway, I think that the background should be 
skin related too... So I think I will implement it soon (tonight, tomorrow 
evening or this week end). And don't worry this will be a skin setting ;)
About spacing, I don't really know where is the trouble... I will look at it 
when doing the tiling thing...
Phil

Le Thursday 15 February 2007 02:05:05 Gustavo A. Díaz, vous avez écrit :
 Hi Phil...


 1- Is planned.
 2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
 3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
 mine (Reaa pleaseee the ML!! once someone told me to do that :P)...
 and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me with
 this? :)
 4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
 spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this... it
 is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be better
 when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
 tiled.

 Thanks.

 Cheers.

 2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi,
  I haven't much time...
  First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to
  the
  status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no
  need
  to read)...
  Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from
  M$N
  (correct me if I am wrong..)
  Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
  Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group
  where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
  Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
  Phil
 
  Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez écrit:
   I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
   say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is
  
   Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be
   improved to fit the New Default one.
  
   tonighx escribió:
Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
it's too bold, winXP like
I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
and leave fancy things to the extra skins
   
2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself
   
3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
too big and weird
   
5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
much more visible than just the icon
   
6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but
I couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency
   
7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button but
like a popup list button, this could be confusing
   
sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this
   
tongihx
   
2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hola.
   
1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel
 
  that
 
Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
implement
same as NewCL there.
3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with
a pic?
4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
Project
(that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.
   
2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
 1 - thebackground should change :p
 2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice,
 
  it
 
looks like a tk frame :s
   
 3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big
 
  and
 
weird, why is it like that ?
   
 4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with
   
stylistic
then got used to them...I wonder if we
   
 should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ? btw
 
  'red
 
rose' looks like a yellow weird flower :p
   
 not really red and not really rose :p

 that's it for now!
 gtg

 KKRT

 On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
  You know what Gus?
  you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default
 
  skin
 
with it (before that copy the default skin
   
  as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old
 
  default..
 
before becoming the default skin it was 

Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-15 Thread Gustavo A. Díaz

Okas, thanks for the Info.

2007/2/15, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hi,
about the smiley thing, I did read the list but it was more to show that I
agreed with others : the So was here to show that... Too bad you
misunderstood it / I can't express well ;)
About tiling, it's not done yet because because Karel thought about a
setting to let users change their background... (Maybe he wanted to have
his
girl friend in background :d). Anyway, I think that the background should
be
skin related too... So I think I will implement it soon (tonight, tomorrow
evening or this week end). And don't worry this will be a skin setting ;)
About spacing, I don't really know where is the trouble... I will look at
it
when doing the tiling thing...
Phil

Le Thursday 15 February 2007 02:05:05 Gustavo A. Díaz, vous avez écrit:
 Hi Phil...


 1- Is planned.
 2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
 3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
 mine (Reaa pleaseee the ML!! once someone told me to do that
:P)...
 and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me
with
 this? :)
 4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
 spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this...
it
 is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be
better
 when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
 tiled.

 Thanks.

 Cheers.

 2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi,
  I haven't much time...
  First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according
to
  the
  status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact
(no
  need
  to read)...
  Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come
from
  M$N
  (correct me if I am wrong..)
  Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
  Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each
group
  where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
  Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
  Phil
 
  Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez
écrit:
   I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as
i
   say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is
  
   Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be
   improved to fit the New Default one.
  
   tonighx escribió:
Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
it's too bold, winXP like
I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
and leave fancy things to the extra skins
   
2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP
itself
   
3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window
is
too big and weird
   
5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they
were
much more visible than just the icon
   
6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I
tried
to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM),
but
I couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency
   
7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button
but
like a popup list button, this could be confusing
   
sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this
   
tongihx
   
2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hola.
   
1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i
feel
 
  that
 
Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
implement
same as NewCL there.
3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me
with
a pic?
4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from
OpenWengo
Project
(that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.
   
2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
 1 - thebackground should change :p
 2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not
nice,
 
  it
 
looks like a tk frame :s
   
 3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too
big
 
  and
 
weird, why is it like that ?
   
 4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with
   
stylistic
then got used to them...I wonder if we
   
 should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ?
btw
 
  'red
 
rose' looks like a yellow weird flower :p
   
 not really red and not really rose :p

 that's it for now!
 gtg

 KKRT

 On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
  You know what Gus?
  you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the
default
 
  skin
 
with it (before that copy the default skin
   
  as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we 

Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-15 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Done in r7979 :

Log Message:
---
Added tiling for CL background through contactlistbgtile
Added support for changecursor_contact changecursor_group underline_group 
(underline_contact was already implemented)
Now group text is centered vertically in the up pixmap
Now xpad for buddies is placed before the contact so the contact isn't stuck 
on the up pixmap
Added a 2 pixel space between buddies because it looks better IMO (don't 
hesitate to revert this change if you don't agree)

Phil


Le Thursday 15 February 2007 21:54:07 Gustavo A. Díaz, vous avez écrit :
 Okas, thanks for the Info.


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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread majinsoftware

I like most of it except the tabs, the big boarder around contact list DP
and the color of the top of the contact list.
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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread Lord Zak

You're going to kill [GuS] ^^

But, with this :


5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
much more visible than just the icon


... I totally agree.

I like Emerald2 skin, but maybe for a default skin, tonighx is right, it
needs to be more simple. 3D effects (in tab for example) need to be more
flat.

That's just a suggestion, and I know [GuS] it's in developpement and so not
done !! I know ! :D

But, I just would like to say that I really prefer Emerald2 than the old
default skin even if I'm not agree with the way Emerald2 way takes.

Bye !
And thanks [GuS] for you works :)

2007/2/14, majinsoftware [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



I like most of it except the tabs, the big boarder around contact list DP
and the color of the top of the contact list.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread Gustavo A. Diaz




 LOL people... i know this was coming... and KKRT say it in the first
email about this...
Words like "i dont like emerald2 at all"... did you know that we put as
default skin to work on it and modify to satisfy the new look for a New
default?Will be not as the Emerald2.0 is... but since we have all
the sources in SVG format... will work based on it

Don't make things harder please... and be patience... as soon i have
time to work on this, i will.

Cheers


Lord Zak escribi:
You're going to kill [GuS] ^^
img src="" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://img.livejasmin.com/images/en/logo.gif">"http://img.livejasmin.com/images/en/logo.gif" border="0"
height="26" width="274"
But, with this :
  5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal
status, they were

much more visible than just the icon
  
... I totally agree.
  
I like Emerald2 skin, but maybe for a default skin, tonighx is right,
it needs to be more simple. "3D effects" (in tab for example) need to
be more flat.
  
  
That's just a suggestion, and I know [GuS] it's in developpement and so
not done !! I know ! :D
  
But, I just would like to say that I really prefer Emerald2 than the
old default skin even if I'm not agree with the way Emerald2 way takes.
  
  
Bye !
And thanks [GuS] for you works :)
  
  2007/2/14, majinsoftware [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
I like most of it except the tabs, the big boarder around contact list
DP and the color of the top of the contact list.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread NoWhereMan
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I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i say 
the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved to 
fit the New Default one.

Well, personally I like Emerald2 a lot, but I understand someone may not 
like the glossy look as it does not fit very well in flat looking system 
themes...
Maybe removing some reflections, using flat frames and more gradients; and 
people like rounded corners; see for instance the graphics for
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
http://developer.mozilla.org/
http://www.drweb.de/weblog/weblog/?p=767

I think the should be inspired from this web 2.0 trend (the less bold and 
glossy part of it ;))

HTH

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread Gustavo A. Díaz

Ok NWM, let me check that ;)

2007/2/14, NoWhereMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


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From: Gustavo A. Diaz



I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
say
the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
to
fit the New Default one.

Well, personally I like Emerald2 a lot, but I understand someone may not
like the glossy look as it does not fit very well in flat looking system
themes...
Maybe removing some reflections, using flat frames and more gradients; and
people like rounded corners; see for instance the graphics for
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
http://developer.mozilla.org/
http://www.drweb.de/weblog/weblog/?p=767

I think the should be inspired from this web 2.0 trend (the less bold and
glossy part of it ;))

HTH

bye


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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread Gustavo A. Díaz

Ok.. yes i what i have in Mind, and what once talked with Lee before, to use
a more smooth and realistic style.
Nice examples NWM, thanks. :)

2007/2/14, NoWhereMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


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I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
say
the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
to
fit the New Default one.

Well, personally I like Emerald2 a lot, but I understand someone may not
like the glossy look as it does not fit very well in flat looking system
themes...
Maybe removing some reflections, using flat frames and more gradients; and
people like rounded corners; see for instance the graphics for
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
http://developer.mozilla.org/
http://www.drweb.de/weblog/weblog/?p=767

I think the should be inspired from this web 2.0 trend (the less bold and
glossy part of it ;))

HTH

bye


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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Hi,
I haven't much time...
First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to the 
status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no need 
to read)...
Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from M$N 
(correct me if I am wrong..)
Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group 
where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
Phil

Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez écrit :
 I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
 say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

 Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
 to fit the New Default one.

 tonighx escribió:
  Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
  it's too bold, winXP like
  I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
  IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
  and leave fancy things to the extra skins
 
  2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself
 
  3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
  too big and weird
 
  5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
  much more visible than just the icon
 
  6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
  to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but I
  couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency
 
  7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button but
  like a popup list button, this could be confusing
 
  sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this
 
  tongihx
 
  2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hola.
 
  1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel that
  Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
  2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
  implement
  same as NewCL there.
  3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with a
  pic?
  4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
  Project
  (that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.
 
  2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
   1 - thebackground should change :p
   2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice, it
 
  looks like a tk frame :s
 
   3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big and
 
  weird, why is it like that ?
 
   4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with
 
  stylistic
  then got used to them...I wonder if we
 
   should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ? btw 'red
 
  rose' looks like a yellow weird flower :p
 
   not really red and not really rose :p
  
   that's it for now!
   gtg
  
   KKRT
  
   On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
You know what Gus?
you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default skin
 
  with it (before that copy the default skin
 
as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old default..
 
  before becoming the default skin it was named
 
Stylistic iirc) So.. you make emerald 2 as the new default,
 
  this way
  we can all test it and see what needs to
 
be changed.. kind of like the new CL, before people notice it and
 
  report
  bugs/comments on it, it needs to be
 
directly accessible when updating...  otherwise, I sense noone
 
  will try
  your skin :s
 
KKRT
   
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 03:37:44PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
 Hi everyone,

   Since we gonna use Emerald2.0 SVG sources for this New Look
 
  i must
 
  ask:
 which are the images or part of the skin that should be
 
  changed/improved to
 
 fit with a New Default skin?. I will need this to start
 
  designing and
  see if
 
 i could have it done for 0.97 release.

 Thanks.

 Cheer.



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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread Tom Hennigan
Heya GuS,

I really like the skin!! At first I didn't use emerald because it  
wasn't for me, but it looks really nice! I only have one issue. That  
with the contact card, you can't see the user's display picture...

But apart from that, you've done an awesome job! (Y)

- Tom


On 14 Feb 2007, at 18:38, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote:

 Hi,
 I haven't much time...
 First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames  
 according to the
 status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a  
 contact (no need
 to read)...
 Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come  
 from M$N
 (correct me if I am wrong..)
 Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
 Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each  
 group
 where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
 Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
 Phil

 Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez  
 écrit :
 I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default...  
 as i
 say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

 Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be  
 improved
 to fit the New Default one.

 tonighx escribió:
 Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
 it's too bold, winXP like
 I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
 IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
 and leave fancy things to the extra skins

 2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself

 3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat  
 window is
 too big and weird

 5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
 much more visible than just the icon

 6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
 to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM),  
 but I
 couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency

 7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button  
 but
 like a popup list button, this could be confusing

 sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this

 tongihx

 2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hola.

 1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i  
 feel that
 Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
 2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
 implement
 same as NewCL there.
 3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me  
 with a
 pic?
 4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
 Project
 (that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.

 2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
 1 - thebackground should change :p
 2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not  
 nice, it

 looks like a tk frame :s

 3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too  
 big and

 weird, why is it like that ?

 4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with

 stylistic
 then got used to them...I wonder if we

 should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ?  
 btw 'red

 rose' looks like a yellow weird flower :p

 not really red and not really rose :p

 that's it for now!
 gtg

 KKRT

 On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
 You know what Gus?
 you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the  
 default skin

 with it (before that copy the default skin

 as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old  
 default..

 before becoming the default skin it was named

 Stylistic iirc) So.. you make emerald 2 as the new default,

 this way
 we can all test it and see what needs to

 be changed.. kind of like the new CL, before people notice it and

 report
 bugs/comments on it, it needs to be

 directly accessible when updating...  otherwise, I sense noone

 will try
 your skin :s

 KKRT

 On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 03:37:44PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
 Hi everyone,

   Since we gonna use Emerald2.0 SVG sources for this New Look

 i must

 ask:
 which are the images or part of the skin that should be

 changed/improved to

 fit with a New Default skin?. I will need this to start

 designing and
 see if

 i could have it done for 0.97 release.

 Thanks.

 Cheer.



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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread Gustavo A. Díaz

Hi Phil...


1- Is planned.
2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
mine (Reaa pleaseee the ML!! once someone told me to do that :P)...
and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me with
this? :)
4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this... it
is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be better
when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
tiled.

Thanks.

Cheers.

2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hi,
I haven't much time...
First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to
the
status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no
need
to read)...
Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from
M$N
(correct me if I am wrong..)
Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group
where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
Phil

Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez écrit:
 I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
 say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

 Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
 to fit the New Default one.

 tonighx escribió:
  Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
  it's too bold, winXP like
  I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
  IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
  and leave fancy things to the extra skins
 
  2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself
 
  3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
  too big and weird
 
  5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
  much more visible than just the icon
 
  6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
  to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but I
  couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency
 
  7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button but
  like a popup list button, this could be confusing
 
  sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this
 
  tongihx
 
  2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hola.
 
  1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel
that
  Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
  2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
  implement
  same as NewCL there.
  3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with a
  pic?
  4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
  Project
  (that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.
 
  2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
   1 - thebackground should change :p
   2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice,
it
 
  looks like a tk frame :s
 
   3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big
and
 
  weird, why is it like that ?
 
   4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with
 
  stylistic
  then got used to them...I wonder if we
 
   should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ? btw
'red
 
  rose' looks like a yellow weird flower :p
 
   not really red and not really rose :p
  
   that's it for now!
   gtg
  
   KKRT
  
   On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
You know what Gus?
you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default
skin
 
  with it (before that copy the default skin
 
as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old
default..
 
  before becoming the default skin it was named
 
Stylistic iirc) So.. you make emerald 2 as the new default,
 
  this way
  we can all test it and see what needs to
 
be changed.. kind of like the new CL, before people notice it and
 
  report
  bugs/comments on it, it needs to be
 
directly accessible when updating...  otherwise, I sense noone
 
  will try
  your skin :s
 
KKRT
   
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 03:37:44PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
 Hi everyone,

   Since we gonna use Emerald2.0 SVG sources for this New Look
 
  i must
 
  ask:
 which are the images or part of the skin that should be
 
  changed/improved to
 
 fit with a New Default skin?. I will need this to start
 
  designing and
  see if
 
 i could have it done for 0.97 release.

 Thanks.

 Cheer.



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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-14 Thread Youness Alaoui
3 - don't worry, you'll often get multiple times the same critic, you must 
accept it, it doesn't mean damn it, 
we told you to do this and you didn't! it only means yes, I agree that this 
should be done, so you know it's 
not only me who don't like the smileys or whatever... 
nothing forces you to reply to the same critic twice, just let them be sent so 
you know how many people think 
the same thing, but answer just once.
4 - not sure about tiles, maybe as an option (if it's easy to do it with tk, 
otherwise no reason to do it...) 
but it would depend on the skin because the msn logo or the emerald logo would 
not be good tiles, but a 
wave/mosaic pattern would look good and in smaller size than a big image to 
compensate...

KKRT


On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:05:05PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
 Hi Phil...
 
 
 1- Is planned.
 2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
 3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
 mine (Reaa pleaseee the ML!! once someone told me to do that :P)...
 and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me with
 this? :)
 4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
 spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this... it
 is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be better
 when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
 tiled.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Cheers.
 
 2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 Hi,
 I haven't much time...
 First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to
 the
 status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no
 need
 to read)...
 Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from
 M$N
 (correct me if I am wrong..)
 Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
 Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group
 where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
 Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
 Phil
 
 Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez écrit:
  I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
  say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is
 
  Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
  to fit the New Default one.
 
  tonighx escribió:
   Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
   it's too bold, winXP like
   I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
   IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
   and leave fancy things to the extra skins
  
   2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself
  
   3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
   too big and weird
  
   5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
   much more visible than just the icon
  
   6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
   to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but I
   couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency
  
   7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button but
   like a popup list button, this could be confusing
  
   sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this
  
   tongihx
  
   2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   Hola.
  
   1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel
 that
   Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
   2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
   implement
   same as NewCL there.
   3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with a
   pic?
   4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
   Project
   (that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.
  
   2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
1 - thebackground should change :p
2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice,
 it
  
   looks like a tk frame :s
  
3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big
 and
  
   weird, why is it like that ?
  
4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with
  
   stylistic
   then got used to them...I wonder if we
  
should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ? btw
 'red
  
   rose' looks like a yellow weird flower :p
  
not really red and not really rose :p
   
that's it for now!
gtg
   
KKRT
   
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
 You know what Gus?
 you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default
 skin
  
   with it (before that copy the default skin
  
 as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old
 default..
  
   before becoming the default skin it was named
  
 Stylistic iirc) So.. you make emerald 

Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-13 Thread Youness Alaoui
You know what Gus?
you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default skin with it 
(before that copy the default skin 
as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old default.. before 
becoming the default skin it was named 
Stylistic iirc) So.. you make emerald 2 as the new default, this way we can 
all test it and see what needs to 
be changed.. kind of like the new CL, before people notice it and report 
bugs/comments on it, it needs to be 
directly accessible when updating...  otherwise, I sense noone will try your 
skin :s


KKRT


On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 03:37:44PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
   Since we gonna use Emerald2.0 SVG sources for this New Look i must ask:
 which are the images or part of the skin that should be changed/improved to
 fit with a New Default skin?. I will need this to start designing and see if
 i could have it done for 0.97 release.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Cheer.
 
 -- 
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 GDNet Projects
 www.gdnet.com.ar
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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-13 Thread Youness Alaoui
back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
1 - thebackground should change :p
2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice, it looks 
like a tk frame :s
3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big and weird, 
why is it like that ?
4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with stylistic then 
got used to them...I wonder if we 
should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ? btw 'red rose' 
looks like a yellow weird flower :p 
not really red and not really rose :p 

that's it for now!
gtg

KKRT

On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
 You know what Gus?
 you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default skin with it 
 (before that copy the default skin 
 as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old default.. before 
 becoming the default skin it was named 
 Stylistic iirc) So.. you make emerald 2 as the new default, this way we can 
 all test it and see what needs to 
 be changed.. kind of like the new CL, before people notice it and report 
 bugs/comments on it, it needs to be 
 directly accessible when updating...  otherwise, I sense noone will try your 
 skin :s
 
 
 KKRT
 
 
 On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 03:37:44PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
  Hi everyone,
  
Since we gonna use Emerald2.0 SVG sources for this New Look i must ask:
  which are the images or part of the skin that should be changed/improved to
  fit with a New Default skin?. I will need this to start designing and see if
  i could have it done for 0.97 release.
  
  Thanks.
  
  Cheer.
  
  -- 
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  GDNet Projects
  www.gdnet.com.ar
  Prof. y Soporte Técnico UTN
  www.frba.utn.edu.ar
  (Universidad Tecnológica Nacional)
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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-13 Thread Gustavo A. Díaz

ok, i will in a coup of minutes.

2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


You know what Gus?
you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default skin with
it (before that copy the default skin
as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old default.. before
becoming the default skin it was named
Stylistic iirc) So.. you make emerald 2 as the new default, this way we
can all test it and see what needs to
be changed.. kind of like the new CL, before people notice it and report
bugs/comments on it, it needs to be
directly accessible when updating...  otherwise, I sense noone will try
your skin :s


KKRT


On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 03:37:44PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
 Hi everyone,

   Since we gonna use Emerald2.0 SVG sources for this New Look i must
ask:
 which are the images or part of the skin that should be changed/improved
to
 fit with a New Default skin?. I will need this to start designing and
see if
 i could have it done for 0.97 release.

 Thanks.

 Cheer.

 --
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 GDNet Projects
 www.gdnet.com.ar
 Prof. y Soporte Técnico UTN
 www.frba.utn.edu.ar
 (Universidad Tecnológica Nacional)
 Cel: (011)15-5526-1264


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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

2007-02-13 Thread Gustavo A. Díaz

Hola.

1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel that
Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to implement
same as NewCL there.
3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with a pic?
4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo Project
(that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.


2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
1 - thebackground should change :p
2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice, it
looks like a tk frame :s
3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big and
weird, why is it like that ?
4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with stylistic
then got used to them...I wonder if we
should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ? btw 'red
rose' looks like a yellow weird flower :p
not really red and not really rose :p

that's it for now!
gtg

KKRT

On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
 You know what Gus?
 you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default skin
with it (before that copy the default skin
 as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old default..
before becoming the default skin it was named
 Stylistic iirc) So.. you make emerald 2 as the new default, this way
we can all test it and see what needs to
 be changed.. kind of like the new CL, before people notice it and report
bugs/comments on it, it needs to be
 directly accessible when updating...  otherwise, I sense noone will try
your skin :s


 KKRT


 On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 03:37:44PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
  Hi everyone,
 
Since we gonna use Emerald2.0 SVG sources for this New Look i must
ask:
  which are the images or part of the skin that should be
changed/improved to
  fit with a New Default skin?. I will need this to start designing and
see if
  i could have it done for 0.97 release.
 
  Thanks.
 
  Cheer.
 
  --
  Gustavo A. Díaz
  GDNet Projects
  www.gdnet.com.ar
  Prof. y Soporte Técnico UTN
  www.frba.utn.edu.ar
  (Universidad Tecnológica Nacional)
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