[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
Amazon's pretty much screwing the pooch on this whole store thing anyway, taking next to forever for it to actually appear in real form...so far just been a huge waste of my time.. -nik On Jan 15, 3:08 am, blindfold seeingwithso...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed that can work for some, at the expense of a bloated APK (ZXing is about twice as large as my app, so it would likely triple my APK size), and at the expense of updates to ZXing not automatically becoming available to your users until you release your own update that bundles an updated ZXing, or unless you add additional checks to see if ZXing is already installed and use that external one instead of your baked-in copy of ZXing. For me this approach would not work anyway, because apart from ZXing my app also launches Google Goggles and if not installed searches for it on Android Market, while I am working on third-party product referrals via Android Market. Again I have no idea if those third- party products will ever land in theAmazonAppstore. In relation to some discussion notes by others: I welcome alternatives for Android Market, and I distribute my app also via for instance Phoload, AndAppStore and Getjar, as well as via my own website, but in all those cases I need not change a bit to my APK and can rely on Android Market for extending basic functionality of my app.Amazon Appstore sets a precedent, and leaves the whole burden of sorting out how to best deal with it to the developer. Thanks On Jan 15, 4:14 am, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote: @blindfold I have an experimental app that does the same thing. Luck for us, the Xzing code can be pulled down an added to your local app. However this is apparently a drawback to multiple app stores! - Brill Pappin On Jan 14, 4:26 pm, blindfold seeingwithso...@gmail.com wrote: My app got rejected byAmazonAppstore today because it searches for a third-party app (the well-known free ZXing barcode reader) on Android -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM, niko20 nikolatesl...@yahoo.com wrote: Amazon's pretty much screwing the pooch on this whole store thing anyway, taking next to forever for it to actually appear in real form... Better they take their time and get it right from the get-go then pull an Android Market (pull an Android Market meaning provide a terrible user and developer experience all around, of course). so far just been a huge waste of my time.. Considering there's no store yet, that's given. The question will be was it a huge waste of your time? once it launches. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
I agree. It will be better. The current app market is embarrasing. Not functionally, but the amount of total crap apps is amazing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
Indeed that can work for some, at the expense of a bloated APK (ZXing is about twice as large as my app, so it would likely triple my APK size), and at the expense of updates to ZXing not automatically becoming available to your users until you release your own update that bundles an updated ZXing, or unless you add additional checks to see if ZXing is already installed and use that external one instead of your baked-in copy of ZXing. For me this approach would not work anyway, because apart from ZXing my app also launches Google Goggles and if not installed searches for it on Android Market, while I am working on third-party product referrals via Android Market. Again I have no idea if those third- party products will ever land in the Amazon Appstore. In relation to some discussion notes by others: I welcome alternatives for Android Market, and I distribute my app also via for instance Phoload, AndAppStore and Getjar, as well as via my own website, but in all those cases I need not change a bit to my APK and can rely on Android Market for extending basic functionality of my app. Amazon Appstore sets a precedent, and leaves the whole burden of sorting out how to best deal with it to the developer. Thanks On Jan 15, 4:14 am, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote: @blindfold I have an experimental app that does the same thing. Luck for us, the Xzing code can be pulled down an added to your local app. However this is apparently a drawback to multiple app stores! - Brill Pappin On Jan 14, 4:26 pm, blindfold seeingwithso...@gmail.com wrote: My app got rejected by Amazon Appstore today because it searches for a third-party app (the well-known free ZXing barcode reader) on Android -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
I agree with Phil, pricing is a key issue. Furthermore, unless Amazon can get their app pre-installed onto devices, then it's going to be limited. After all, not many people will know to go to the Market app to download another market app. Also, I hope they don't make the mistake Apple just made with the crApp store for Macs. You have to enter your credit card details to download free apps, no thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
On Jan 7, 8:38 am, ko5tik kpriblo...@yahoo.com wrote: lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: I don't, because for some bizarre reason they are making it US-only! What on earth are they thinking? Selling all over the world is mayor PITA - all the different tax regulations, payment providers... Let me guess - you're American, right? Out here in the rest of the world, if we took that attitude, we'd be out of business. So we sell to anyone who will pay, and cope with the complexity - and it turns out to be not as complex as you fear. But in the specific case of Amazon, they have no such excuse: they are a huge company that is already selling worldwide. If they can do it for books, CDs and everything else, why can't they do it for apps? Not to speak of US export restrictions - you sell some funny app to iran providing picture entertainment to males and go straight in jail for aiding international terrorism. If they can get that right for all their other products, they can do it for apps too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
What exaclty is the problem? I welcome them for 2 primary reasons. a) The Google Market is a mess of crap. Really brings thigns down for people who actually care about what they provide. b) It'll give Google a kick in the pants, because they certainly haven't made improving the Market a priority. Frankly I welcome the competition to Google's Market. - Brill Pappin On Jan 5, 5:05 pm, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: The almighty Amazon.com feels that is should police the Android Market for proper applications. On one hand I think this could be a good idea but on the other hand this feels took much like an Apple iOS development clone. With Amazon developing its own market place and limiting which apps can appear there you are guaranteed a visible market for your application. People who pursue amazon will know that your app may meet some sort of standard and may consider buying it. But just as good as that is, if Amazon is backed up with testing your application and like apple takes two weeks to reject your application based on some sort of merit what is to stop me from just uploading my application directly to the market place. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. As someone who develops on both sides of the spectrum I don't see the implement of this Amazon App Market place as a good idea. I am curious as to other developers take on this and how many plan to actually develop to meet the amazon market guidelines. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:52 AM, SoftWyer karl.w...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, unless Amazon can get their app pre-installed onto devices, then it's going to be limited. After all, not many people will know to go to the Market app to download another market app. Amazon is one of the most well-known websites out there with who-knows how many users. I'm sure they can get the word out to their user that that they can buy apps from their store, and you'll probably be able to do it right from a browser. . - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
Im sure worst case they could probably package there market with the kindle app somehow. On Jan 14, 10:32 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:52 AM, SoftWyer karl.w...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, unless Amazon can get their app pre-installed onto devices, then it's going to be limited. After all, not many people will know to go to the Market app to download another market app. Amazon is one of the most well-known websites out there with who-knows how many users. I'm sure they can get the word out to their user that that they can buy apps from their store, and you'll probably be able to do it right from a browser. . ----- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
My app got rejected by Amazon Appstore today because it searches for a third-party app (the well-known free ZXing barcode reader) on Android Market if the user tries to launch it from my app and it is not installed. The barcode reader acts as a functional extension to my app, launched via an intent, and I would not even know if it will come to Amazon Appstore. So I'm not pleased with the Amazon Appstore restrictions, and do not know of an elegant way to deal with this use case. There is a related and ongoing discussion in the android-discuss thread Amazon Market - First red flag http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/1879410c513b7df3/ On Jan 5, 11:05 pm, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: The almighty Amazon.com feels that is should police the Android Market for proper applications. On one hand I think this could be a good idea but on the other hand this feels took much like an Apple iOS development clone. With Amazon developing its own market place and limiting which apps can appear there you are guaranteed a visible market for your application. People who pursue amazon will know that your app may meet some sort of standard and may consider buying it. But just as good as that is, if Amazon is backed up with testing your application and like apple takes two weeks to reject your application based on some sort of merit what is to stop me from just uploading my application directly to the market place. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. As someone who develops on both sides of the spectrum I don't see the implement of this Amazon App Market place as a good idea. I am curious as to other developers take on this and how many plan to actually develop to meet the amazon market guidelines. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
So do I, which is why my free app is available on SlideMe.org, Getjar.com, but not on Google's Android Market. On Jan 14, 7:28 am, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote: What exaclty is the problem? I welcome them for 2 primary reasons. a) The Google Market is a mess of crap. Really brings thigns down for people who actually care about what they provide. b) It'll give Google a kick in the pants, because they certainly haven't made improving the Market a priority. Frankly I welcome the competition to Google's Market. - Brill Pappin On Jan 5, 5:05 pm, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: The almighty Amazon.com feels that is should police the Android Market for proper applications. On one hand I think this could be a good idea but on the other hand this feels took much like an Apple iOS development clone. With Amazon developing its own market place and limiting which apps can appear there you are guaranteed a visible market for your application. People who pursue amazon will know that your app may meet some sort of standard and may consider buying it. But just as good as that is, if Amazon is backed up with testing your application and like apple takes two weeks to reject your application based on some sort of merit what is to stop me from just uploading my application directly to the market place. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. As someone who develops on both sides of the spectrum I don't see the implement of this Amazon App Market place as a good idea. I am curious as to other developers take on this and how many plan to actually develop to meet the amazon market guidelines. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
If your app can be installed from another market than the Android Market, you cannot assume that the market: intent/scheme is handled on every device. If users without Android Market on their device download your app from Amazon Market, how would your app react if fails to find ZXing (i.e. if it fails the market: intent)? If your app fails gracefully and your app is still (fully) functional, Amazon shouldn't complain. But if your app just raises an error and, for example, quits your app, Amazon has a point of rejecting your app. If your app handles a lack of the market: scheme/intent gracefully but Amazon just tried it on a phone *with* Android Market installed and didn't like the fact that the Android Market activity was started, then I think Amazon is wrong. They can require apps to handle missing functionality gracefully, but they should not forbid any searches using the Android Market if Android Market is installed. On Jan 14, 4:26 pm, blindfold seeingwithso...@gmail.com wrote: My app got rejected by Amazon Appstore today because it searches for a third-party app (the well-known free ZXing barcode reader) on Android Market if the user tries to launch it from my app and it is not installed. The barcode reader acts as a functional extension to my app, launched via an intent, and I would not even know if it will come to Amazon Appstore. So I'm not pleased with the Amazon Appstore restrictions, and do not know of an elegant way to deal with this use case. There is a related and ongoing discussion in the android-discuss thread Amazon Market - First red flaghttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/1... On Jan 5, 11:05 pm, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: The almighty Amazon.com feels that is should police the Android Market for proper applications. On one hand I think this could be a good idea but on the other hand this feels took much like an Apple iOS development clone. With Amazon developing its own market place and limiting which apps can appear there you are guaranteed a visible market for your application. People who pursue amazon will know that your app may meet some sort of standard and may consider buying it. But just as good as that is, if Amazon is backed up with testing your application and like apple takes two weeks to reject your application based on some sort of merit what is to stop me from just uploading my application directly to the market place. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. As someone who develops on both sides of the spectrum I don't see the implement of this Amazon App Market place as a good idea. I am curious as to other developers take on this and how many plan to actually develop to meet the amazon market guidelines.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
Same answer as in http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/msg/b71caf66580b9cd0: Good point. Not currently, but this I can (and will) easily fix by checking if the Android Market app is installed, in the same way that I check if ZXing is installed. However, doing so will AFAIK still not suffice to comply with the Amazon Appstore requirements, because my app would still perform a search on Android Market if the Android Market app is installed and ZXing isn't. If Amazon only wants graceful degradation in cases where users do not have the Android Market installed, that is fine with me, and I'll gladly comply with that. On Jan 14, 11:56 pm, Streets Of Boston flyingdutc...@gmail.com wrote: If your app can be installed from another market than the Android Market, you cannot assume that the market: intent/scheme is handled on every device. If users without Android Market on their device download your app from Amazon Market, how would your app react if fails to find ZXing (i.e. if it fails the market: intent)? If your app fails gracefully and your app is still (fully) functional, Amazon shouldn't complain. But if your app just raises an error and, for example, quits your app, Amazon has a point of rejecting your app. If your app handles a lack of the market: scheme/intent gracefully but Amazon just tried it on a phone *with* Android Market installed and didn't like the fact that the Android Market activity was started, then I think Amazon is wrong. They can require apps to handle missing functionality gracefully, but they should not forbid any searches using the Android Market if Android Market is installed. On Jan 14, 4:26 pm, blindfold seeingwithso...@gmail.com wrote: My app got rejected by Amazon Appstore today because it searches for a third-party app (the well-known free ZXing barcode reader) on Android Market if the user tries to launch it from my app and it is not installed. The barcode reader acts as a functional extension to my app, launched via an intent, and I would not even know if it will come to Amazon Appstore. So I'm not pleased with the Amazon Appstore restrictions, and do not know of an elegant way to deal with this use case. There is a related and ongoing discussion in the android-discuss thread Amazon Market - First red flaghttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/1... On Jan 5, 11:05 pm, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: The almighty Amazon.com feels that is should police the Android Market for proper applications. On one hand I think this could be a good idea but on the other hand this feels took much like an Apple iOS development clone. With Amazon developing its own market place and limiting which apps can appear there you are guaranteed a visible market for your application. People who pursue amazon will know that your app may meet some sort of standard and may consider buying it. But just as good as that is, if Amazon is backed up with testing your application and like apple takes two weeks to reject your application based on some sort of merit what is to stop me from just uploading my application directly to the market place. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. As someone who develops on both sides of the spectrum I don't see the implement of this Amazon App Market place as a good idea. I am curious as to other developers take on this and how many plan to actually develop to meet the amazon market guidelines.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
@blindfold I have an experimental app that does the same thing. Luck for us, the Xzing code can be pulled down an added to your local app. However this is apparently a drawback to multiple app stores! - Brill Pappin On Jan 14, 4:26 pm, blindfold seeingwithso...@gmail.com wrote: My app got rejected by Amazon Appstore today because it searches for a third-party app (the well-known free ZXing barcode reader) on Android -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: I don't, because for some bizarre reason they are making it US-only! What on earth are they thinking? Selling all over the world is mayor PITA - all the different tax regulations, payment providers... Not to speak of US export restrictions - you sell some funny app to iran providing picture entertainment to males and go straight in jail for aiding international terrorism. So they just start to play on safe side -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Amazon to Policy Android Market Place
On Jan 5, 10:05 pm, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: I am curious as to other developers take on this and how many plan to actually develop to meet the amazon market guidelines. I don't, because for some bizarre reason they are making it US-only! What on earth are they thinking? If it weren't for that, the next concern would be their pricing model that allows them to sell your app for next-to-nothing if they want to (e.g. buy one, get one free offers etc). Until it's clear how aligned their algorithm for that is with our interests, I would be cautious. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
