RE: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon
Thanks for the history of Assamnet and Luitporianet, Jugal. Iwas just a little confused before thinkingthat Debu and you started both parellelly and then merged. Now I know, it did merge but were started in two different times. Good to know that Assamnet will be even better. Thats what we want, Assamnet to continue flourishing. It is just so unique and popular that peopleend upcoming back here again and again. Ithank you, Saurav and Babuland send our 'hiya-bhora xubhesya' to you all for giving us the opportunity to stay connected. Sincerely, - Alpana Baideu. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soonDate: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:23:59 -0400Hello everyone,Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will be [EMAIL PROTECTED]Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It has been hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net was started at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar Medhi. Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has been hosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University of Pennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of Colorado for having given us this opportunity to bring together the Assamese diaspora from around the world.The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest in all aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious, educational, political or anything at all, so that written discussions and debates can take place without fear and censorship of any kind. In Assam itself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of vital concern to Assam.However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this is normal when a few hundred people constantly participate in spirited discussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and debates can take place in a manner wherein widest participation is possible. For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the list for using unacceptable sexual language during discussions and debates. In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people for violent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectful discussion of any topic is welcome.We will send out an email when we make this transition to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are finishing up the details of the move and it will take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email to assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It will be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years at the University of Colorado.Thank you!Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul Gogoi (Delhi)Assamnet administratorsCheck Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna ! othersacquiescing!!
Yes, this is ridiculous - prohibiting the bodostudents from preserving their own culture and tradition. It is strange that the student union bodies also went against these students. It is strange that Churidar is compulsory and dokhna is prohibited. We would have been in trouble in our own home-town, if this was the rule in our school.In many families,we, theyoung girlswere not allowed to wear 'suridar' or 'salowar-kamij' when we were young - we went intowearing 'mekhela-saador' or 'sari' straight from wearing frocks. This one is for you, C'da: When will they start honoring the basic rights of peoplein India? From: "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna ! othersacquiescing!!Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:44:19 + Tension prevails over ban on Bodo dress http://www.northeasttribune.com/4736.htm NET News Network Kokrajhar, Aug 21: Tension run high in the Surupeta BHB College in Barpeta district following the college authority banning the entry of Bodo students wearing the traditional Bodo Dokhna dress in the college premises. The Bodo students wearing the permitted colour Dokhna on Saturday were not allowed to enter in the college premises. Tension started when the college authority introduced churidar or salwar kamij as the uniform for the girls students beginning this academic year which the Bodo students refused. The college union bodies started boycotting the classes when the Bodo students refused to obey the dress code and continue attending the class wearing dokhna. The Bodo students alleged that they were warned by the principal of expel from the college and of giving forceful transfer certificate if they do not come wearing churidar. The college authority when contacted refutes the allegation saying the students were just requested to obey the order for peaceful atmosphere. There was no warning as such. It was just a request, the authority said. Different Bodo organization including the influential All Bodo Students Union (ABSU), Bodo Sahitya Sabha (BSS) and All Bodo Women Welfare Federation (ABWWF) has expressed serious concern and anguish over the issue saying its humiliating that the Bodo girls students are not allowed to wear the traditional dress Dokhna even though they put the same colour the college authority has adopted. In a press release the ABSU said in a state like Assam with diverse ethnic group colour should be the basis of uniform but not the dress. The ABSU has nothing to say about the colour uniform but lawfully it would strongly oppose the senseless decision of the college authority for adopting the churidar as the only option for uniform dress, the release stated. Churidar is not the dress of the Bodos and it cannot be the dress of Assamese people either, added ABSU secretary Goutam Mushahary. We have got full right to preserve our own culture, custom, language and tradition as being the indigenous community. If we cannot have the right to protect and preserve our own culture in our own state then where lies the meaning of freedom and respect of indigenous tribal culture, the release stated. The Bodo organizations has appealed the college authority to think consciously, carefully and farsightedly if they are really concern about Assam in particular and tribal culture in general. The organization has also urged the Assamese intellectuals including the All Assam Students Union (AASU) and Assam Sahitya Sabha to come up with helping hands and give a meaningful thought for peaceful solution of the problem and for peaceful future of Assam. Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___Assam mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1
What is a BPO? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] "Boga Baduli" and BPO Boom--Part 1Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:38:54 +0530 Hi Everybody, My association with this group isnt very old. It started 2 and half years back when my previous company sent a group of 30 people to Texas for training. And the plethora of information given by this group helped the entire group tremendously. After that I have been a sporadic visitor of this group. The other day I was reading the Prime Ministers speech in Oxford where he mentioned about the most important British legacy, the English language and about their modern school systems. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/nic/0046/pmspeech.htm. A Times of India columnist once wrote that its only for the Tamil crusaders that English stayed in India despite the onslaught of Hindi Imperialism that started right after Independence. Hence all the kudos for the Indian BPO success should go to the Tamilians ! Another article that re-shaped my thinking process was the one I read (rather my mother read it aloud to me and my sister) in Prantik (an Assmese magazine) almost 16/17 years back, where a well settled NRA called the Assamese families who sent their kids to English medium schools as boga baduli (white bat) which is a bizarre epiphany. (Though I am not very certain about the writers name, the Prantik edition with that article still could be found in my book shelf back home provided my mother hasnt sold those old copies) This was said having found by the NRA writer that certain English medium educated Guwahati kids spoke worse Assamese than his own USA born and brought up kids. The article highly influenced my mother who is a teacher in a school named after the great martyr of baxa andulon Anil Bora. Once mother also told us how the Assamese had to fight to have Assamese as the official language of the state. The memory of that cataclysmic event was still fresh among the elders then. It was our father who put all our three kids in that English medium school in our town which was another legacy left by the colonial Brits and he expected us to imbibe some of their qualities like discipline, time management etc and definitely to learn English better. The following year my mother re-enrolled all her three kids in local vernacular school. While my siblings continued, I was not able to cope up with the difference, not for a single day and went back to my alma mater the very next day. However through out my student life I made sure I am equally proficient in Oxomiya like my siblings and many a times outdid them Years later when I was in Delhi pursuing my post- graduation, the BPO boom started first in Delhi. Though I was over qualified for those jobs, I thought of joining the bandwagon rather going back home and being jobless like my batch mates. Another reason for choosing the BPO was to avoid jostling with the rowdy and vulgar north Indian crowd. All BPOs have their private cabs for employees.Last month I completed my 4th year in BPO. This Group would be surprised to know that BPO is the one of the best thing that has happened to India. No Industry can offer anything better to thousands of mediocre like us and I am sure the industry will stay here for ever. And parents who opt for English medium schools are not necessarily boga baduli. All that matters is the attitude the parents groom in their kids towards ones culture and language Never for a moment can I convince myself that with my family background I could have managed with vernacular education whatever I have achieved so far. My personal experience says the number of English speaking people/youth is quite less in Assam when compared to some other Indian states. A few BPOs in our state would have tackled the abysmal employment problem to certain extent. In other indian cities the BPO success has ushered in the birth of dozens of english training center along with special voice and accent courses, american accent being the first in demand. I would also like to share my advantages/disadvangtages as a native Assamese speaker in BPO industry in another mail. Swapnali Saikia Bangalore India ___Assam mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1
Thanks Rajib. It was really aquestion - though I know about outsourcing (even listened to "The world is flat.." by Friedman) I didn't know this acronym, honestly, as you guessed. Yes, I do get the Indian youngsters named Bob or Becky sometimes when I call the 800 numbers. Some of them are very smart, polite and professional. But some has no idea how to take a 'no' for an answer and also what a 'courtesy call' means. One even startedarguing with me when I asked him if it was a 'courtesy call' when he asked for my son (rather than a bill that he forgot to pay :)). Anyway, my nieces in Bangalore are in this business while going to college and are doing great. I am glad Indian kids are getting a chance to use their talent and ability to speak english and supporting themselves or even their families. Thanks again - di From: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Assam] "Boga Baduli" and BPO Boom--Part 1Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:30:07 -0700 (PDT)Alpanadi,I almost assumed there was a hidden meaning in thatharmless question, given the propensity of BPObusiness in India these days. Perhaps not.BPO means Business Process Outsourcing. It includesall those calls that get replied to in the case of aDell computer support call, American Express callregading the card etc. While you dial your 1-800number, the call reaches some part of India and isresponded to by an enthusiastic young Indian voicegoing by the name of Becky or Bob. It also includes awhole load of back office processing functions infinancial services, mortgage applications etc.American companies ship these jobs overseas (Indiabeing a most favored destination) and save costs.Consequently, young Indians pick up these jobs at farlower costs.Used to be that the guys studying in Commerce or Arts,getting out of DU or someplace else, would be sweatingat the thought of looking for a career. No longer - ifyou are English speaking. Young 21 year olds earn Rs,10,000 or 20,000 right out of college. They changejobs 1 or 2 times a year because there is so muchdemand. Companies scout around for young englishspeaking talent around the country - when they haveexhausted New Delhi and Mumbai and Pune and Bangaloreand so on, they go to smaller towns. Imagine having arecruitment goal of 20,000 new people in a year.To get an idea of how big it is - it is already amillion workforce strong in India in just a few years.And taking over the role of the world's back officehas not yet scratched the surface.As Swapnali points out, it probably could shape up asone of the most important cultural phenomena to hit avery young India.Thanks to Swapnali for bringing this account out. Arethere many young Indians from the northeast in the BPObusiness?Rajib--- "Alpana B. Sarangapani"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:-What is a BPO?-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] "Boga Baduli" and BPO Boom--Part 1Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:38:54 +0530Hi Everybody,My association with this group isnt very old. Itstarted 2 and half years back when my previous companysent a group of 30 people to Texas for training. Andthe plethora of information given by this group helpedthe entire group tremendously. After that I have beena sporadic visitor of this group.The other day I was reading the Prime Ministersspeech in Oxford where he mentioned about the mostimportant British legacy, the English language andabout their modern school systems.http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/nic/0046/pmspeech.htm.A Times of India columnist once wrote that its onlyfor the Tamil crusaders that English stayed in Indiadespite the onslaught of Hindi Imperialism thatstarted right after Independence. Hence all the kudosfor the Indian BPO success should go to the Tamilians!Another article that re-shaped my thinking process wasthe one I read (rather my mother read it aloud to meand my sister) in Prantik (an Assmese magazine)almost 16/17 years back, where a well settled NRAcalled the Assamese families who sent their kids toEnglish medium schools as boga baduli (white bat)which is a bizarre epiphany. (Though I am not verycertain about the writers name, the Prantikedition with that article still could be found in mybook shelf back home provided my mother hasnt soldthose old copies) This was said having found by theNRA writer that certain English medium educatedGuwahati kids spoke worse Assamese than his own USAborn and brought up kids. The article highlyinfluenced my mother who is a teacher in a schoolnamed after the great martyr of baxa andulon AnilBora. Once mother also told us how the Assamese had tofight to have Assamese as the official language of thestate. The memory of that cataclysmic event was stillfresh among the elders then. It was our father who putall our three kids in that English medium school inour town
RE: [Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh da
Jokai has nothing to do with Jakoi, has it? Ne, Jokai-r kotha patute patute, sukot pori thoka Jakoi khonor kotha hothate monot pori jakoi-khonoke loi campus-ot maas-kaaso dhoriboloi loisa neki, Priyankoo? From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh daDate: 20 Aug 2005 14:09:57 - Ganesh da,Thanks for reminding about jokai India and all. In fact Jokai T.E. Hospital was very famous at one time! I have been reading about the jokaisuk discussion but somehow it never reminded me of jokai and jokaisuk in Doomdooma. koy nohoy bole "agote maasto bogolito kona!"O ganesh da, amaar campusot kaso sai kenekuwa pale raizok kobo akou!ThanksPriyankoo Dex mathoeta dharona,thikonar xexxari... The mostimportant thingin lifeis neverto forgetwho youare... http://plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] RE: JOKAI / JAKOI
Thanks! Julungar mekuri etia-he ulal jen paisoo. Jakoi khon sukot thoute thoute ghorot xeitu sukor naam Jakoisuk/Jokaisuk hoi pisot jega dukhoror naamei Jokaisuk holgoi jen pao. As far as my memory goes (I can vaguely remember now)-thename also used to mean an interior place, similar to what C'da also said.Like, people would say: tumar ghor town-ote houk baa jokai-sukot-e houk - eitu bostu aami tumar ghorotpousai diboloi eku digdari naai. From: "Barua25" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: JOKAI / JAKOIDate: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:31:04 -0500 Alpana: Both theAssamese words JOKAI and JAKOImean the same,'a kind of bamboo scoop with a handle used to catch fish'. Looks like this is a pure Assamese word not to found in Bengali or Hindi. Barua - Original Message ----- From: Alpana B. Sarangapani To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: RE: [Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh da Jokai has nothing to do with Jakoi, has it? Ne, Jokai-r kotha patute patute, sukot pori thoka Jakoi khonor kotha hothate monot pori jakoi-khonoke loi campus-ot maas-kaaso dhoriboloi loisa neki, Priyankoo? From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Jokaisuk: Ganesh daDate: 20 Aug 2005 14:09:57 - Ganesh da,Thanks for reminding about jokai India and all. In fact Jokai T.E. Hospital was very famous at one time! I have been reading about the jokaisuk discussion but somehow it never reminded me of jokai and jokaisuk in Doomdooma. koy nohoy bole "agote maasto bogolito kona!"O ganesh da, amaar campusot kaso sai kenekuwa pale raizok kobo akou!ThanksPriyankoo Dex mathoeta dharona,thikonar xexxari... The mostimportant thingin lifeis neverto forgetwho youare... http://plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] NE TV's Ekap Half Chah programme
Just look the overuse and misuse of the 'honorable' or 'hon'ble' appellation, that abounds in the media, requiring the people to call address their servants, MLA's, MPs,Ministers--minor or major, tin-pot dictators of magistrates/hakims ad nauseum. It is yet another of those left-over colonial / imperial traits that help perpetuate that these folks are the 'bosses' of the people, instead of their real role in a democratic society--that of the 'servant of the people'. I agree whole heartedly. Even if the politicians were doing what they are supposed to do -work forthe people, that is - it is ridiculous to hear people say "honorable" this "honorable" that. IMO, a "Mr." is enough as you would use for any human being, if you personally don't know him. And if Mr. Bhuyan knew Mr. Sharma from before and calls him 'tumi' otherwise (which apparently we are not clear about), it will be a 'bhekoo-bhaona' if he addresses him as 'aapuni' suddenly, just because they are in tv. If I become a famous person anytime, I would die in shame if one of my high schoolteachers (orone of my elderly neighbors)suddenly starts addressing me as 'apuni' - in public or in private. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Prasenjit Chetia [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] NE TV's "Ekap Half Chah" programmeDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:45:07 -0500 I have no problem with that Prasenjit. However, I DO have a problem with the nauseating degree of these 'fake' and sometimes completely un-deserved courtesies that our people are either mired in, or are compelled to perpetuate. Just look the overuse and misuse of the 'honorable' or 'hon'ble' appellation, that abounds in the media, requiring the people to call address their servants, MLA's, MPs,Ministers--minor or major, tin-pot dictators of magistrates/hakims ad nauseum. It is yet another of those left-over colonial / imperial traits that help perpetuate that these folks are the 'bosses' of the people, instead of their real role in a democratic society--that of the 'servant of the people'. It is time to change that. If the British prefer to remain a monarchica society replete witheir sirs and lords and ladies, that is their choice. Why should the people of Assam follow those outdated and alien ways? At 8:16 AM +0100 8/19/05, Prasenjit Chetia wrote: Cda;These small formalities make up your bigger identity.Cheers!!prasenjitOn 8/18/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. The emphasis should be on asking pertinent questions and getting forthright answers. I realize, we 'probaxis' have shed a lot of our traditional formalities, which many of our peers back in Assam might find uncouth and impolite. But be that as it may, the focus should be on the substance and not on the appearances and formalities. At 7:52 AM -0700 8/18/05, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: I really do not see any problem in the use of "tumi" as long as neither Mr. Bhuyan and Mr. Sarma had any objection. After all there are three accepted forms of "you" in Assamese - "Apuni, Tumi and Toi", and they are used as appropriate between two people. If Bhuyan used "Apuni" just for the show, it would have been artificial and probably would have put a barrier in the flow of words. Dilip Deka muktikam phukan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody I've a small observation to make. Recently I've been to Sivasagar for some official job. It was nice to see the TV channel called NE TV catering to all the major languages of NE including Sikkim. One of the programme I saw was a Talk Show titled "Ekap Half Chah". The anchor Sri Atanu Bhuyan was interviewing a young Assam Minister, Sri Himanta Biswa Sarma. But, I was really astonished to hear Sri Bhuyan calling Sri Sarma "TUMI" all through the programme. Is it not really very unprofessional? Even if Sri Sarma is very junior to Sri Bhuyan or even if they r very good friends, some decorum should have been maintained in such public programmes by calling him "APUNI". After all he is a H'ble Minister of the Govt of Assam, duly elected by the people of Jalukbari. These r small things but if taken care of will go a long way in improving the programmes of this budding channel. My observation has nothing personal against anybody and I may kindly be corrected if I m wrong. Muktikam Phukan Check out Yahoo! India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos.yahoo.com/rakhi/index.html ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ:
RE: [Assam] Introduction
You are sounding like a newbie Dipangkar :). It was good to hear from you. Trust everything is going well with you all. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dipankar Malla Baruah (Well Logging))Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] IntroductionDate: Fri, Aug 19 2005 13:04:50 GMT+0530Sambhashan everyone,I am Dipangkar Malla Baruah, working in Oil India Ltd presently posted in Duliajan, Assam as Dy Supdng Engineer. I did BE in electronics from VRCE (REC), Nagpur in 1993. I will like to interact with the people who love Assam in different part of the world.DipangkarWith regardsD M BaruahDy Supdng EngineerWell Logging DepttOil India LtdDuliajan - 786 602AssamPhone : 0374 2803017 (R)094350 39820 (M)___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] NE TV's Ekap Half Chah programme
Right, unless you use just the last name. Otherwise, after the introduction with the full name, it usually goes 'down' to the first name basis. we call everyone byfirst name at work.
What do you mean by "late" Dipung kaiti. He died? when and how? :)
Have a good one, C'da.
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] NE TV's "Ekap Half Chah" programmeDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:59:32 -0500
In order not to step on toes, or offend anyone, the worldwide trend in the English language today is to address an interviewee with their full name, without any appellation ( like Sri, Sir, Mr., Miss, Mrs. Ms etc.): Like Alpana Sarangapani, what do you really think Sondon Mohonto is up to in Assam Net? Or Charles Dickens, what'n the Dickens did you try to do to English society by writing Oliver Twist?
The same ethos is quite prevalent in Internet communications as well, as folks must have noticed.
NE TV too could adopt the tactic and start an interview of the late Dipung Kaiti as : Digompbor Pungta, is it true that you too are a native of Dokhin Jokaisuk, just across the hwla from Tilok Daktor's baari?
At 9:25 AM -0500 8/19/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
Just look the overuse and misuse of the 'honorable' or 'hon'ble'appellation, that abounds in the media, requiring thepeople to call address their servants, MLA's,MPs,Ministers--minor or major, tin-pot dictators of magistrates/hakimsad nauseum. It is yet another of those left-over colonial / imperialtraits that help perpetuate that these folks are the 'bosses'of the people, instead of their real role in a democraticsociety--that of the 'servant of the people'.
I agree whole heartedly. Even if the politicians were doing what they are supposed to do -work forthe people, that is - it is ridiculous to hear people say "honorable" this "honorable" that. IMO, a "Mr." is enough as you would use for any human being, if you personally don't know him.
And if Mr. Bhuyan knew Mr. Sharma from before and calls him 'tumi' otherwise (which apparently we are not clear about), it will be a 'bhekoo-bhaona' if he addresses him as 'aapuni' suddenly, just because they are in tv.
If I become a famous person anytime, I would die in shame if one of my high schoolteachers (orone of my elderly neighbors)suddenly starts addressing me as 'apuni' - in public or in private.
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Prasenjit Chetia [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] NE TV's "Ekap Half Chah" programmeDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:45:07 -0500blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li{padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}
I have no problem with that Prasenjit.
However, I DO have a problem with the nauseating degree of these'fake' and sometimes completely un-deserved courtesies that our peopleare either mired in, or are compelled to perpetuate.
Just look the overuse and misuse of the 'honorable' or 'hon'ble'appellation, that abounds in the media, requiring thepeople to call address their servants, MLA's,MPs,Ministers--minor or major, tin-pot dictators of magistrates/hakimsad nauseum. It is yet another of those left-over colonial / imperialtraits that help perpetuate that these folks are the 'bosses'of the people, instead of their real role in a democraticsociety--that of the 'servant of the people'.
It is time to change that.
If the British prefer to remain a monarchica societyreplete witheir sirs and lords and ladies, that is their choice. Whyshould the people of Assam follow those outdated and alien ways?
At 8:16 AM +0100 8/19/05, Prasenjit Chetia wrote:
Cda;These small formalities make up your bigger identity.Cheers!!prasenjitOn 8/18/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. The emphasis should be on asking pertinent questions and gettingforthright answers. I realize, we 'probaxis' have shed a lot of our traditionalformalities, which many of our peers back in Assam might find uncouth andimpolite. But be that as it may, the focus should be on the substance and noton the appearances and formalities.
At 7:52 AM -0700 8/18/05, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: I really do not see any problem in the use of "tumi" aslong as neither Mr. Bhuyan and Mr. Sarma had any objection. After all there are threeaccepted forms of "you" in Assamese - "Apuni, Tumi andToi", and they are used as appropriate between two people. If Bhuyan used "Apuni" just for the show, it would havebeen artificial and probably would have put a barrier in the flow of words. Dilip
Deka muktikam phukan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody I've a small observation to make. Recently I've been to Sivasagarfor some official job. It was nice to see the TV channel called NE TVcatering to al
RE: [Assam] Jokai India Limited
Thanks for the explanation, Ganesh. It makes complete sense to name the company if it is originated and that too witha product from Assam - the famou Assam tea. Too bad, it changed the name though. Hope you are doing well. You must be eagerly waiting for this month to be over. Stop by at our place when you all go to Dallas - just give me enough time (like, two months :))so that I can tidy up the house. With best wishes, - Alpana B'deu. From: Ganesh C Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assamnet assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: RE: [Assam] Jokai India LimitedDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:45:13 -0700 (PDT)Alpana Baideo:Jokai is definitely an Assamese word. Jokai IndiaLimited is in Tea business and owns many TEs. Thoughit is a Indian Company (In fact multi-national), ittook Assamese name because of Tea and working inAssam. BTW, the company changed name to RusselIndustries (India) Ltd about 12 years ago.Ganesh--- "Alpana B. Sarangapani"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:-That is good to know. Actually I haven't heard aboutJokai India Limited. I thought it was an Assameseword, it is a bit surprising to see it as an Indiancompany. .BTW, we missed your name too. You always send uscorrect information about the Assamese words. Thankyou and keep up the good work.-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: RE: [Assam] Re: ref: my introductionDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:15:51 +0530 Iwant to add something in this regard ...'Jokai' is a familiar name in Assam. If you go throughthe assamese newspapers regularlyyou will comeacross many places called 'Jokai' situated indifferent partsof Assam.I personally know a place called 'Jokai' ( including avillage and abig reserve forest called 'Jokai reserve forest' ),which is around10 Km away from Dibrugarh towards Burhidihing river. Everyone must be knowing the company called 'Jokai IndiaLimited' .C.R.BaruahStart your day with Yahoo! - make it your home pagehttp://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Bhaina + Sankardeb Tithi at Delhi on 24th August 2005
Since childhood, this has been my dream to watch Bhaona, an all-nighter, that is. One more reason to retire in Assam - even if it takes you 15/20 years todo that. :) During Durga Puja they used to always havefuctions with Oxomiya Naat-Bhaona, 'Oja-Paali', etc. for the whole night. But we were not allowed to be there for the whole night. They used to also have 'Jaatra-parti's there. I knew they had episodes from Ramayan, Mahabharat etc. in those Jaatra parties. What else do they include? Any detailed info on Oja-Paali and how is it related to Xotriya dance? And is there an easy definition of 'Bhaona', anybody? Or a book where all these are explained? Thanks! And once again, welcome everyone to this net where you canspeak your mind without any inhibitions and no show-offs. :) From: bg [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Bhaina + Sankardeb Tithi at Delhi on 24th August 2005Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:24:11 +0530 Sankardeva Tihi celebration with a Bhaona (whole night!) is planned for 24th August next in Delhi.. by Assam Asociation .. On 8/18/05, Mridul Bhuyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bhriti, Welcome. I am Mridul from Delhi. The reason I am writting to you that, while I was doing engineering from Jorhat, my father was posted in Kokrajhar. It was a very nice place to live in at that time (1983-84). But after the Bodo agitation, the scenario changed. I don't know how is it now. I have very fond memories of that place. Being in Delhi, pls. keep in touch. We usually meet during the functions organised by Assam association. Be happy. Mridul Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome Bhriti. Tell us something more about yourself,your studies and your future plans. That will be a good way to get a conversation going. I am a fifty-nine year old geezer :-), from St. Louis, an architect by profession, originally from Namti. Best, cm At 12:43 PM -0700 8/17/05, bhriti choudhury wrote: Hi Everybody, I am new to this group. Let me first introduce myself, I am Bhriti Bhushan Choudhury ... I am doing MCA in Delhi. I from Kokrajhar. I guess some of you have heard of that place... Its a very remote place near about 240 KMs West from Guwahati. Now it has become the capital of BTC (Bodo Teritorial Council). Neways hope to get some response from you people. Bye Bhriti Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam -- Babul Gogoihttp://www.bihu.in ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] my introduction WORD
Although all my relatives (and my ancestors did too) live in upper Assam, these words are greek or Chinese to me. I only learnt the other day that 'bhojoluk' means 'jolokia'. That is why I love the "language" that they use in Guwahati, you don't need a dictionary for it to understand, it is the written Assamese. :) Is there a dictionary of Assamese colloquials, from both upper and lower Assam? From: Ajoy Hazarika [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] my introduction WORDDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Jugal: This is interesting. I thought "arubeli" is a future tense, such as "Aibeli Ahudhan Panie Marile, Arubeli Ahudhan Pam -- A part of a Bihu Naam. I think I was wrong all along. Or may be it can be "past" as well as "future" depending on the usage. Best adh[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hemkosh says,1. arubeli: a. last year as in "arubeli ahilO~" (I came last year)b. next year when used in "xomprodan karok" (dative case, when someone is "given" something, usually indicated in Assamese by "loi" e.g. "bhogobanoloi dan dilO~" [I am giving this to God]). Usage: Arubeliloi akOu ahim (I will come again next year).2. TeOjbeli: the year before last.Jugal Kalita-Original Message-From: Rajen Barua To: Ajoy Hazarika ; Alpana B. Sarangapani ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu; Chan Mahanta Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:45:48 -0500Subject: Re: [Assam] my introduction WORDSORRY FOR THE WRONG SPELLINGTEUJBELI MEANS THE YEAR BEFORE LAST YEAR.I THINK ARUBELI MEANS LASY YEAR, ISN'T IT? OR IS IT THE COMING YEAR?WHAT ABOUT THE WORD HORDOM ?I thinik our journaluist new comer friend is 'bhoyote touba touba khaise'.RAJEN- Original Message -From: Chan MahantaTo: Rajen Barua ; Ajoy Hazarika ; Alpana B. Sarangapani ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu ; Chan MahantaSent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:15 PMSubject: Re: [Assam] my introductionR:I have never come across this word : TEUHBELIWhat is its meaning? Is an antonym of aarubeli?cAt 12:55 PM -0500 8/17/05, Rajen Barua wrote:And what about TEUHBELI? R/- Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Ajoy Hazarika ; Alpana B. Sarangapani ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] my introductionPise' aarubeli ki kal hobo he Ajoy?sAt 9:21 AM -0700 8/17/05, Ajoy Hazarika wrote:You are right. "kahanibai" is a past tense. adh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" wrote:Though my roots are from Dibrugarh/Sibsagar and I grew up in Guwahati with the upper-Assamese words like, Randhoni-ghor,(instead of Paak-ghor),Pitek (instead of Putek/son), etc.,I have been fondly called a 'dhekeri' by my cousins from Nowgong.I find more lower-Assamese words in literature (oh come on, I read some literary books in Assamese too!) than the upper-Assamese words.Also, as Barua mentioned'Kahanikoi', it reminds me this -Iwas always under the impression that 'Kahanibai' is a word used in past tense - like, 'Xi kahanibai golgoi'. Well, we learn something everyday, don't we?From: "Rajen Barua" To: "Dilip/Dil Deka" , "utpal borpujari" , Subject: Re: [Assam] my introductionDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:35:05 -0500If you want to know the Geographicalboundaryof Upper Assam and Lower Assam, generally a vertical line drawnfromBiswanath Chariali in North Bank may be said to the demarkation. Thisline will probably go through somewhere in Xilghat on south bank. The Britishused to have Soki (post) at this location when they divided Assam into UpperAssam and Lower Assam and gave (temporarily) Upper Assam to Purandar Singha atan annual revenue of Rs 5 whci eventually the king dafaulted and the Britishtook back Upper Assam into their own hands. However, one can usethe linguistic test also to diffrentiate an Upper Assamese. I have found thatnormally an Upper Assamese use certain words and phrases which a Lower Assamesedoesnot and vice versa.You can try the folloiwngwords whichprobably a lower Assamese doesnot use:TAKETW = Normally an Upper Assamese usewhen responding to one in a positive manner.KAHANIKOI = meaning which day. TUMIKAHANIKOI JABA?In fact I remember, Mr Abani Hazarika (thecricket player) used to tease and laugh at me wheneverI use the word'kahanikoi'. That is how I remember that probably in lower Assam, they donot usethe word.Similarly there are many such terms which aLower Assamese use which an Upper Assamese does not use. May be someone willcome up with some such words.Rajen Barua.- Original Message -From:Dilip/DilDekaTo: utpal borpujari ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:22AMSubject: Re: [Assam] myintr
Re: [Assam] New Member
I wanted to thank Jugal Kalita for bringing all the people of Assam, living all over the world together like this. If some of you didn't know, Jugal (and Deepakar Medhi of Kansas) is the pioneer of this project. You are doing all ofus a huge favor by connecting us together, Jugal. And by doing so, you've done a big chunk of what we are supposed to do for the society. Thank you and may Assam net continue to flourish for years to come. Sincerely, - A. Sarangapani Houston, Texas. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED], jadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:47:58 -0500 You are the true ambassadors of Assam to tell the rest of India that the Assamese are just as capable as any other Indian, if not better. This image of the Assamese is a CREATION of a certain genre' of people, scions of the establishment, raised in privileges, whose are witless and unable to see what sits on their faces, and then attempt to explain away Assam's conditions on a genetic disposition of its people that makes them slow, 'lahe-lahe', inept and corrupt. It does not require any PROVING otherwise, because the perception, the charge itself is at best, a mindless one. At 6:17 AM -0700 8/18/05, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: A warm welcome to all of you who started membership recently. It is so heartwarming to see so many up and coming Assamese youngsters spreading all over India and holding responsible positions. You are the true ambassadors of Assam to tell the rest of India that the Assamese are just as capable as any other Indian, if not better. We in the 50/60 age group would like to hear from you guys regularly on topics that interest today's Assamese young people. We start new discussions in this net and mostly they degenerate into the same debate that has become too familiar. I am hoping you guys can change that with a fresh viewpoint. Dilip Deka Houston TXjadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi allI am Jadav Kakoti, working in North East Sun magazine, a political fortnightly published from Delhi. I have just joined the e-group. I'm from North Lakhimpur and have been here in Delhi for the last one decade. Hope I'll have a nice interaction with you all on diverse issues concerning the "Land of Red Rivers and Blue Mountains".ByeJadav ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] New Member
Definitely, Jugal. How couldmy one-track mindforget Babul and Saurav? I have no clue! :) Seriously, my sincere apologies to both Babul and Saurav. And yes, aaru keijon maan Assam-net-ot xoghonai (well, sometimes)likhalikhokor naam aahil monoloi: Anjan Nath, Shantikam Hazarika, Mridul Bhuyan and a few more that I forget now, or are there? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:31:01 -0400Alpona Baidew,ApOnar xolag pai nijei dhonyo manisO~. Moi bhabO~ Saurav Pathak (Philadelphia) aru Babul Gogoi (New Delhi/Guwahati) amar xokolOre dhonyobador aru xolagor patro. Teo~lOk duyO bohut xohai kori ase AssamNet solai thokar dOinondin kambOrot. Deepankar Medhi (Kansas City) jodio ajikali AssamNetot nai, teO~ arombho kora luitporia-netkhonO aji amar logote ekelog hOwar pisor pora. Gotike Deepankar amar hridoyot xoday ase.Logote jixokole xoday likhi AssamNet interesting aru gorom kori rakhe: Chandan da, Alpona Baidew, Rajen da, Ram da, Dilip da, Umesh, Rajib Das, Barttabistar, Kamal da, Bhubon Kokaideu adilOiyO dhonyobad aru ulog thakil. KarObar nam jodi pahorisO~ xeitu truti mOr aru tar babe agotei khyoma khujisO~.Nomoskarere,Jugal Kalita (Colorado)-Original Message-From: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:27:14 -0500Subject: Re: [Assam] New Member I wanted to thank Jugal Kalita for bringing all the people of Assam, living all over the world together like this. If some of you didn't know, Jugal (and Deepakar Medhi of Kansas) is the pioneer of this project. You are doing all ofus a huge favor by connecting us together, Jugal. And by doing so, you've done a big chunk of what we are supposed to do for the society.Thank you and may Assam net continue to flourish for years to come.Sincerely,- A. SarangapaniHouston, Texas.From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED], jadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:47:58 -0500 You are the true ambassadors of Assam to tell the rest ofIndia that the Assamese are just as capable as any other Indian,if not better. This image of the Assamese is a CREATION of a certain genre'of people, scions of the establishment, raised in privileges, whoseare witless and unable to see what sits on their faces, and thenattempt to explain away Assam's conditions on a genetic disposition ofits people that makes them slow, 'lahe-lahe', inept and corrupt.It does not require any PROVING otherwise, because theperception, the charge itself is at best, a mindless one.At 6:17 AM -0700 8/18/05, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:A warm welcome to all of you who startedmembership recently.It is so heartwarming to see so many upand coming Assamese youngsters spreading all over India and holdingresponsible positions. You are the true ambassadors of Assam to tellthe rest of India that the Assamese are just as capable as any otherIndian, if not better.We in the 50/60 age group would like tohear from you guys regularly on topics that interest today's Assameseyoung people. We start new discussions in this net and mostly theydegenerate into the same debate that has become too familiar. I amhoping you guys can change that with a fresh viewpoint.Dilip DekaHouston TXjadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi allI am Jadav Kakoti, working in North East Sun magazine, a politicalfortnightly published from Delhi. I have just joined the e-group. I'mfrom North Lakhimpur and have been here in Delhi for the last onedecade. Hope I'll have a nice interaction with you all on diverseissues concerning the "Land of Red Rivers and BlueMountains".ByeJadav___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailm
Re: [Assam] New Member
And yes, aaru keijon maan Assam-net-ot xoghonai (well, sometimes)likhalikhokor naam aahil monoloi: Anjan Nath, Shantikam Hazarika, Mridul Bhuyan and a few more that I forget now, or are there? And also, Ms. Rini Kakati. I'm sorry I failed to mention Ms. Kakati in my previous mail. From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:02:00 -0500 Definitely, Jugal. How couldmy one-track mindforget Babul and Saurav? I have no clue! :) Seriously, my sincere apologies to both Babul and Saurav. And yes, aaru keijon maan Assam-net-ot xoghonai (well, sometimes)likhalikhokor naam aahil monoloi: Anjan Nath, Shantikam Hazarika, Mridul Bhuyan and a few more that I forget now, or are there? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:31:01 -0400Alpona Baidew,ApOnar xolag pai nijei dhonyo manisO~. Moi bhabO~ Saurav Pathak (Philadelphia) aru Babul Gogoi (New Delhi/Guwahati) amar xokolOre dhonyobador aru xolagor patro. Teo~lOk duyO bohut xohai kori ase AssamNet solai thokar dOinondin kambOrot. Deepankar Medhi (Kansas City) jodio ajikali AssamNetot nai, teO~ arombho kora luitporia-netkhonO aji amar logote ekelog hOwar pisor pora. Gotike Deepankar amar hridoyot xoday ase.Logote jixokole xoday likhi AssamNet interesting aru gorom kori rakhe: Chandan da, Alpona Baidew, Rajen da, Ram da, Dilip da, Umesh, Rajib Das, Barttabistar, Kamal da, Bhubon Kokaideu adilOiyO dhonyobad aru ulog thakil. KarObar nam jodi pahorisO~ xeitu truti mOr aru tar babe agotei khyoma khujisO~.Nomoskarere,Jugal Kalita (Colorado)-Original Message-From: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:27:14 -0500Subject: Re: [Assam] New Member I wanted to thank Jugal Kalita for bringing all the people of Assam, living all over the world together like this. If some of you didn't know, Jugal (and Deepakar Medhi of Kansas) is the pioneer of this project. You are doing all ofus a huge favor by connecting us together, Jugal. And by doing so, you've done a big chunk of what we are supposed to do for the society.Thank you and may Assam net continue to flourish for years to come.Sincerely,- A. SarangapaniHouston, Texas.From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED], jadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:47:58 -0500 You are the true ambassadors of Assam to tell the rest ofIndia that the Assamese are just as capable as any other Indian,if not better. This image of the Assamese is a CREATION of a certain genre'of people, scions of the establishment, raised in privileges, whoseare witless and unable to see what sits on their faces, and thenattempt to explain away Assam's conditions on a genetic disposition ofits people that makes them slow, 'lahe-lahe', inept and corrupt.It does not require any PROVING otherwise, because theperception, the charge itself is at best, a mindless one.At 6:17 AM -0700 8/18/05, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:A warm welcome to all of you who startedmembership recently.It is so heartwarming to see so many upand coming Assamese youngsters spreading all over India and holdingresponsible positions. You are the true ambassadors of Assam to tellthe rest of India that the Assamese are just as capable as any otherIndian, if not better.We in the 50/60 age group would like tohear from you guys regularly on topics that interest today's Assameseyoung people. We start new discussions in this net and mostly theydegenerate into the same debate that has become too familiar. I amhoping you guys can change that with a fresh viewpoint.Dilip DekaHouston TXjadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi allI am Jadav Kakoti, working in North East Sun magazine, a politicalfortnightly published from Delhi. I have just joined the e-group. I'mfrom North Lakhimpur and have been here in Delhi for the last onedecade. Hope I'll have a nice interaction with you all on diverseissues concerning the "Land of Red Rivers and BlueMountains".ByeJadav___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Ass
Re: Re: [Assam] New Member
Jugal: How could we both forget our very own Ganesh (Bora) and Priyankoo (Sharma)? Wetend totake our closest friends/relatives for granted. It is a human nature I guess. We also need to mention Amlan Saha, who seldom writes nowadays but I like his writing style and the topics too. Anyway, its not a big deal, but since we started we need to finish it too. :) Good night, everyone. I guess it is a holiday in India today, today is 'Raxi bondhon', isn't it? The Roksha Bondhon web sites are sending mails everywhere. May be its not celebrated by the Assamese but all the states in North India do celebrate it with 'dhumdhum-koi'. From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:06:09 -0500 And yes, aaru keijon maan Assam-net-ot xoghonai (well, sometimes)likhalikhokor naam aahil monoloi: Anjan Nath, Shantikam Hazarika, Mridul Bhuyan and a few more that I forget now, or are there? And also, Ms. Rini Kakati. I'm sorry I failed to mention Ms. Kakati in my previous mail. From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:02:00 -0500 Definitely, Jugal. How couldmy one-track mindforget Babul and Saurav? I have no clue! :) Seriously, my sincere apologies to both Babul and Saurav. And yes, aaru keijon maan Assam-net-ot xoghonai (well, sometimes)likhalikhokor naam aahil monoloi: Anjan Nath, Shantikam Hazarika, Mridul Bhuyan and a few more that I forget now, or are there? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:31:01 -0400Alpona Baidew,ApOnar xolag pai nijei dhonyo manisO~. Moi bhabO~ Saurav Pathak (Philadelphia) aru Babul Gogoi (New Delhi/Guwahati) amar xokolOre dhonyobador aru xolagor patro. Teo~lOk duyO bohut xohai kori ase AssamNet solai thokar dOinondin kambOrot. Deepankar Medhi (Kansas City) jodio ajikali AssamNetot nai, teO~ arombho kora luitporia-netkhonO aji amar logote ekelog hOwar pisor pora. Gotike Deepankar amar hridoyot xoday ase.Logote jixokole xoday likhi AssamNet interesting aru gorom kori rakhe: Chandan da, Alpona Baidew, Rajen da, Ram da, Dilip da, Umesh, Rajib Das, Barttabistar, Kamal da, Bhubon Kokaideu adilOiyO dhonyobad aru ulog thakil. KarObar nam jodi pahorisO~ xeitu truti mOr aru tar babe agotei khyoma khujisO~.Nomoskarere,Jugal Kalita (Colorado)-Original Message-From: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:27:14 -0500Subject: Re: [Assam] New Member I wanted to thank Jugal Kalita for bringing all the people of Assam, living all over the world together like this. If some of you didn't know, Jugal (and Deepakar Medhi of Kansas) is the pioneer of this project. You are doing all ofus a huge favor by connecting us together, Jugal. And by doing so, you've done a big chunk of what we are supposed to do for the society.Thank you and may Assam net continue to flourish for years to come.Sincerely,- A. SarangapaniHouston, Texas.From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED], jadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] New MemberDate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:47:58 -0500 You are the true ambassadors of Assam to tell the rest ofIndia that the Assamese are just as capable as any other Indian,if not better. This image of the Assamese is a CREATION of a certain genre'of people, scions of the establishment, raised in privileges, whoseare witless and unable to see what sits on their faces, and thenattempt to explain away Assam's conditions on a genetic disposition ofits people that makes them slow, 'lahe-lahe', inept and corrupt.It does not require any PROVING otherwise, because theperception, the charge itself is at best, a mindless one.At 6:17 AM -0700 8/18/05, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:A warm welcome to all of you who startedmembership recently.It is so heartwarming to see so many upand coming Assamese youngsters spreading all over India and holdingresponsible positions. You are the true ambassadors of Assam to tellthe rest of India that the Assamese are just as capable as any otherIndian, if not better.We in the 50/60 age group would like tohear from you guys regularly on topics that interest today's Assameseyoung people. We start new discussions in this net and mostly theydegenerate into the same debate that has become too familiar. I amhoping you guys can change that with a fresh viewpoint.Dilip DekaHouston TXjadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi allI am Jadav Kakoti, working in North East Sun magazine, a politicalfortni
RE: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction
That is good to know. Actually Ihaven't heard about Jokai India Limited. I thought it was an Assamese word, it is a bit surprising to see it as an Indian company. . BTW, we missed your name too. You always send us correct information about the Assamese words. Thank you and keep up the good work. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: RE: [Assam] Re: ref: my introductionDate: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:15:51 +0530 I want to add something in this regard ... 'Jokai' is afamiliar namein Assam.If you go through theassamese newspapers regularly youwill come acrossmany places called 'Jokai' situated indifferent parts of Assam. Ipersonally know a placecalled 'Jokai' ( including a village and a big reserve forest called 'Jokai reserve forest' ), which is around 10Km away from Dibrugarh towards Burhidihing river. Every one must be knowing the company called 'Jokai India Limited'. C.R.Baruah -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chan MahantaSent: 19 August 2005 08:05To: utpal borpujari; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] Re: ref: my introduction Welcome Utpal. Our paths crossed before. I am sure you remember. Congrats. again on your fine efforts. Thanks for correcting me. I had a vague idea that there indeed is a place called Jokaisuk, but was never clear on where it stood. Turns out it is less than ten miles from my birth-'muluk' :-). But like Ram suggests, it can become a generic but quintessentially kharkhowa, obscure and humble locale, that many of us can claim our roots to. In that it is a band of honor that we proudly wear. Best, c-da At 5:36 PM +0100 8/18/05, utpal borpujari wrote: Hi all. Just a few things: 1. "Actually Jokaisuk is a mythical 'muluk', from which both Tilok Daktor and myself, as well as a host of other kharkhowas can and do hail." - Chandan-da, Jokaisuk, as far as I know (correct me if I am wrong) is not a 'mythical muluk'. In fact, quite contrary to the image the name gives, it is located right on the national highway between Amguri and Sivasagar, before one reaches Gaurisagar. 2. "I thinik our journaluist new comer friend is 'bhoyote touba touba khaise'.- RAJEN" Bhoi khowa nai. I am actually quite excited that what I thought was just a mere introductory mail from me, and thereby obviously my first mail to the group, has led to such an interesting discussion. 3. Manoj-da (of Assam Association, Delhi) and ShantikamHazarika : Thanks for mentioning about my winning the national Best film critic Swarna Kamal award in 2003 and being a jury member at the national film awards this year. This kind of constant encouragement helps in thinking of doing something better. 4. A request to everyone in the group: unless there is some kind of rule about this, please delete all the previous mails (except may be the mail to which one is replying to) while hitting the reply button. Otherwise, this makes the mailers very voluminous, with the same mails being appended at the bottom of each mail repetatively. - Utpal Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! Get Yahoo! Mail ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Welcome
Yes, Iwould liketo welcome the new folks to this net as well. Idiscovered this net in 1996 and have been a loyal memberof it since. :) It is wonderfulto see the mails from the new people as well as the mails from many others suddenly that wenever knew thatwere here with us. It is a good feeling to know that we are part of such a big group. I agree with C'da that it is a free (and decent and tolerant :)) forum where we practice freedom of speech in full swing yet maintain a certain decorum - the usualKharkhowa standard. Want to be more familiar with the group? Check the old mails on your spare time from here: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/pipermail/assam/. Just remember another good thing about this forum - this is one of the very few forums where you can get in fast and get out fast. Again welcome to the group and hope to see you all keep this net alive. With best wishes, - A. Sarangapani Houston, Texas. USA. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] WelcomeDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:32:37 -0500Welcome all the many newcomers to assamnet. This is a big jump in new membership all of a sudden. Very good to see. Has there been some kind of a new awareness of assamnet for some reason?Anyway, please do participate. This is the ONLY forum where you can express yourselves frankly, freely and without the traditional burdens that we carry as kharkhowas.cm___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] RE: ULFA Children
Children are children. I feel concerned about those children - it is not their fault that their parents belong to any group! They did not commit a crime. And Yes, don't get me wrong, the children in Dhemaji did not do anything wrong -their parents were not committing any crime either, they were 'pete-bhaate khai thoka' innocent people minding their own business and doing their own thing!. These children of ULFA parents who are in prison now (why?),have always been confined somehow or the other - either in the jungles or in the prison.How unfair!! From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: sangeet chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] RE: ULFA ChildrenDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:50:16 -0500 but I feel an appeal by ULFA donot posses that strength. * That is understandable. But where were the righteous raising their voices about these children? At 3:22 PM +0100 8/17/05, sangeet chakraborty wrote: Ya, I can call the mass support for theULFA children in jail. Butthe banned outfit has, in my view, lost their right for the same, when they blasteda bomb infront of the school premise before last Independence Day. The children definately need support from NGOs and othe masses, but I feel an appeal by ULFA donot posses that strength. Check out Yahoo! India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more.http://in.promos.yahoo.com/rakhi/index.html ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] my introduction
Though my roots are from Dibrugarh/Sibsagar and I grew up in Guwahati with the upper-Assamese words like, Randhoni-ghor,(instead of Paak-ghor),Pitek (instead of Putek/son), etc.,I have been fondly called a 'dhekeri' by my cousins from Nowgong. I find more lower-Assamese words in literature (oh come on, I read some literary books in Assamese too!) than the upper-Assamese words. Also, as Barua mentioned'Kahanikoi', it reminds me this -Iwas always under the impression that 'Kahanibai' is a word used in past tense - like, 'Xi kahanibai golgoi'. Well, we learn something everyday, don't we? From: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Dilip/Dil Deka" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "utpal borpujari" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] my introductionDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:35:05 -0500 If you want to know the Geographical boundaryof Upper Assam and Lower Assam, generally a vertical line drawn fromBiswanath Chariali in North Bank may be said to the demarkation. This line will probably go through somewhere in Xilghat on south bank. The British used to have Soki (post) at this location when they divided Assam into Upper Assam and Lower Assam and gave (temporarily) Upper Assam to Purandar Singha at an annual revenue of Rs 5 whci eventually the king dafaulted and the British took back Upper Assam into their own hands. However, one can use the linguistic test also to diffrentiate an Upper Assamese. I have found that normally an Upper Assamese use certain words and phrases which a Lower Assamese doesnot and vice versa. You can try the folloiwngwords which probably a lower Assamese doesnot use: TAKETW = Normally an Upper Assamese use when responding to one in a positive manner. KAHANIKOI = meaning which day. TUMI KAHANIKOI JABA? In fact I remember, Mr Abani Hazarika (the cricket player) used to tease and laugh at me wheneverI use the word 'kahanikoi'. That is how I remember that probably in lower Assam, they donot use the word. Similarly there are many such terms which a Lower Assamese use which an Upper Assamese does not use. May be someone will come up with some such words. Rajen Barua . - Original Message - From: Dilip/Dil Deka To: utpal borpujari ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] my introduction Welcome to the group, Utpal. I have a few questions for you - well actually for many others in this net. Where exactly is Upper Assam? Being from Upper Assam - does it connote an ethnical difference from the people in Guwahati? Or is it a cultural difference? Was it a cultural shock for you when your family moved to Guwahati (in Lower Assam?) from Upper Assam? What was the compelling reason that forced your family to settle in crowded Guwahati? I have always wondered why everyone in Assam wants to buy a plot of land in Guwahati after retirement and become a Guwahatian. Dilip Deka Houston, TX utpal borpujari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody. Am a new entrant to the group. Thought would introduce myself, and hope to interact with all on issues concerning Assam (Asam/Axam/Axom?) I am a journalist based in Delhi. Have been in the profession for about 12 years. Started out with The Sentinel in Guwahati in 1993, moved to PTI in Delhi in 1995 and since last four years been working with the Delhi News Bureau of Bangalore-based English daily Deccan Herald. If you ask about my origins: I am from Guwahati (settled there since 1978 though we are from Upper Assam originally). - Utpal Borpujari To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] my introduction
Thank you. :) I meant to say the root word"kahani"itself, I thought, was a wordthat is used to refer to thepastonly. Did I hear someone sayingin the back - guwahatir dhekeri-e aakou ujonia xobdor dux uliabo aahe? :) Is it a war or what? :) I know we all are taking these in good spirit - and clear any doubts and enlighten each other. Have a great one, Everyone! From: Ajoy Hazarika [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] my introductionDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:21:22 -0700 (PDT) You are right. "kahanibai" is a past tense. adh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though my roots are from Dibrugarh/Sibsagar and I grew up in Guwahati with the upper-Assamese words like, Randhoni-ghor,(instead of Paak-ghor),Pitek (instead of Putek/son), etc.,I have been fondly called a 'dhekeri' by my cousins from Nowgong. I find more lower-Assamese words in literature (oh come on, I read some literary books in Assamese too!) than the upper-Assamese words. Also, as Barua mentioned'Kahanikoi', it reminds me this -Iwas always under the impression that 'Kahanibai' is a word used in past tense - like, 'Xi kahanibai golgoi'. Well, we learn something everyday, don't we? From: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Dilip/Dil Deka" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "utpal borpujari" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] my introductionDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:35:05 -0500 If you want to know the Geographical boundaryof Upper Assam and Lower Assam, generally a vertical line drawn fromBiswanath Chariali in North Bank may be said to the demarkation. This line will probably go through somewhere in Xilghat on south bank. The British used to have Soki (post) at this location when they divided Assam into Upper Assam and Lower Assam and gave (temporarily) Upper Assam to Purandar Singha at an annual revenue of Rs 5 whci eventually the king dafaulted and the British took back Upper Assam into their own hands. However, one can use the linguistic test also to diffrentiate an Upper Assamese. I have found that normally an Upper Assamese use certain words and phrases which a Lower Assamese doesnot and vice versa. You can try the folloiwngwords which probably a lower Assamese doesnot use: TAKETW = Normally an Upper Assamese use when responding to one in a positive manner. KAHANIKOI = meaning which day. TUMI KAHANIKOI JABA? In fact I remember, Mr Abani Hazarika (the cricket player) used to tease and laugh at me wheneverI use the word 'kahanikoi'. That is how I remember that probably in lower Assam, they donot use the word. Similarly there are many such terms which a Lower Assamese use which an Upper Assamese does not use. May be someone will come up with some such words. Rajen Barua . - Original Message - From: Dilip/Dil Deka To: utpal borpujari ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] my introduction Welcome to the group, Utpal. I have a few questions for you - well actually for many others in this net. Where exactly is Upper Assam? Being from Upper Assam - does it connote an ethnical difference from the people in Guwahati? Or is it a cultural difference? Was it a cultural shock for you when your family moved to Guwahati (in Lower Assam?) from Upper Assam? What was the compelling reason that forced your family to settle in crowded Guwahati? I have always wondered why everyone in Assam wants to buy a plot of land in Guwahati after retirement and become a Guwahatian. Dilip Deka Houston, TX utpal borpujari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody. Am a new entrant to the group. Thought would introduce myself, and hope to interact with all on issues concerning Assam (Asam/Axam/Axom?) I am a journalist based in Delhi. Have been in the profession for about 12 years. Started out with The Sentinel in Guwahati in 1993, moved to PTI in Delhi in 1995 and since last four years been working with the Delhi News Bureau of Bangalore-based English daily Deccan Herald. If you ask about my origins: I am from Guwahati (settled there since 1978 though we are from Upper Assam originally). - Utpal Borpujari To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___
Re: [Assam] Some laws which we did not learn in school
Yes, they are. Are these all together also called "Murphy's law"? From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: sushil mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Some laws which we did not learn in schoolDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:09:12 +0100 (BST) Thats really good !! Umeshsushil mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the laws you never learnt in school orcollege:1) Lorenz's Law of Mechanical Repair: After yourhands becomecoated with grease, your nose will begin to itch.2) Anthony's Law of the Workshop: Any tool, whendropped, will roll to the least accessible corner.3) Kovac's Conundrum: When you dial a wrong number,you never get an engaged one.4) Cannon's Karmic Law: If you tell the boss you werelate for work because you had a flat tire, the next morning youwill have a flat tire.5) O'brien's Variation Law: If you change queues, theone you have left will start to move faster than the one you arein now.6) BELL'S THEOREM: When the body is immersed inwater, the telephone rings.7) RUBY'S PRINCIPLE OF CLOSE ENCOUNTERS: Theprobability of meet! ing someone you know increases when you are with someoneyou don't want to be seen with.8) WILLOUGHBY'S LAW: When you try to prove to someonethat a machine won't work, it will.9) ZADRA'S LAW OF BIOMECHANICS: The severity of theitch is inversely proportional to the reach.10)BREDA'S RULE: At any event, the people whose seatsare furthest from the aisle arrive last.11)OWEN'S LAW: As soon as you sit down to a cup ofhot coffee, your boss will ask you to do something which will lastuntil the coffee is cold.12)HOWDEN'S LAW: You remember you have to mail aletter only when you're near the mailbox."In prosperity our friends know us...in adversitywe know our friends."IT IS MY FIRST MAIL TO THIS GROUP. ENJOY LIFE BEHAPPY.REGARDS TO ALLSUSHIL__Do You Yahoo!?Tired! of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Dialects of Assam: Classification in two ways
*** This is very common in Jokaisuk as well. We grew up speaking like that . That is why I think there are more words fromlower Assam, Guwahati - to be precise, in 'likhito Oxomiya'than from upper Assam. BTW, I thought Tilok was from Jokaisuk and you were from Namti. Is Namti called Jokaisuk in kothito bhaxa? :) From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Dialects of Assam: Classification in two waysDate: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:33:03 -0500J: So, you would hear someone say "loa-sOwali" instead of "lora-sOwali" (boys and girls), "Ghooloi jao~" instead of "Ghoroloi jao~" (I am going home), etc.*** This is very common in Jokaisuk as well. We grew up speaking like that .c-daAt 1:21 PM -0400 8/17/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Below, I first present the distinguished linguist Banikanta Kakati's classification and then modify a little bit to fit my perception of dialectical variation in Assam.Banikanta Kakati's classification-According to Banikanta Kakati (BK), in his "Assamese, Its Formation and Development" (LBS Publications, GNB Road, Guwahati, Fifth edition, 1995), there are two main dialects of Assamese, Eastern and Western.According to BK, "33. Assamese may be divided dialectically into Eastern Assamese and Western Assamese. The language from Sadiya, the easternmost frontier down to Gauhati exhibits a certain homogeneity and hardly presents any notable point of difference from the spoken dialect of Sibsagar, the capital of the late Ahom kings. And for purposes of literature this dialect is generally regarded as the standard language."I would say, there are some minor differences between the language spoken in Sonitpur and Nagaon (old district) and Golaghat district and the eastern regions. Some of the most pronounced are uses of "kahanikoi", etc., in the eastern regions and not in the Nagaon/Sonitpur region, possibly even in Lakhimpur region further to the east (I know several people from Uttar Lakhimpur, but hardly hear them say words like "kahanikoi" or "pase"), but on the North Bank of the Brahmaputra. So, I think BK is right in the geographical demarcation and not Rajen Barua. I have repeatedly heard, primarily, in All-Assam sports meets in Colleges and High Schools when youngsters make fun of Guwahati and western regions as "Dhekeri". This has happened in Nagaon town. So, it seems Nagaon doesn't include itself in the "Western" or "Dhekeri" region.BK continues: "34. The two Western dialects of Kamrup and Goalpara possess several local dialects which betray sharp points of difference from one another and the standard colloquial of eastern Assam. The spoken dialects of Goalpara district seems to have been greatly contaminated with admixtures of the Rajabamsi dialect--the dialect that was evolved under the domination of the Koch kings of Koch-Bihar, whose descendants ruled over Goalpara and contiguous portions of Kamrup. In between the standard colloquial of Sibsagar in the east and the mixed dialects of Goalpara in the West stand the dialect of Kamrup district".Thus, BK sets the Kamrup dialect, which I suppose is called "Dhekeri" by some, as the one between the eastern boundary of Guwahati city and Goalpara district (old). I doubt if people in the Eastern areas call the Goalpara dialect "Dhekeri". I think it's simply called "Goalporia" or by some even "Bengali".BK continues to the description of the Kamrupi dialect "35. The Kamrup district is not a homogeneous dialectical area. There are different dialects in different localities." BK adds a little later, "It will be noticed, however, that the points of difference amongst the dialects of Kamrup are mostly confined to the details of phonetics and hardly spread over to morphology and vocabulary. The differences, however, between the Eastern and Western Assamese are wide and range over the whole fields of phonology, morphology and not infrequently vocabulary."My classification:---I will venture to add the following based on my observations and knowledge. I am sure linguists have done this already, but I don't have any references sitting in my office. So, I am not going to claim any credit.This may be a way to classify the dialects:1. Eastern (non-Dhekeri) dialect: Ranges from Sadiya to almost Guwahati: There are at least two sub-dvisions within this dialect. 1.1. The Jorhotiya or Sibsagoriya dialect spoken in Jorhat, Sibsagar Dibrugarh, and Golaghat. These were the initial and primary domains of the Ahom kings. 1.2 The Central dialect spoken in Nagon, Marigaon, Sonitpur, and even in Lakhimpur and Dhemaji. The Central dialect is spoken in Central Assam and theNorth Bank Districts to the east of Tezpur. The Ahom influence spread to these regions slowly, but it was not the initial and primary Ahom domain. Also, these regions were not influenced by the Western dialectical region politically when the Assamese language emerged as a distinct
Re: [Assam] Much Ado about What?
Don't extortion calls reach your home earlier than youcan drive back from the dealership with your car,these days?? If the car makes itto yourhome in one piece after driving on those roads built by Assam PWD engineers, or are these engineersimported from Dilli as well? From: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Much Ado about What?Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Btw, guwahati is the second fastest growing city in the whole of south and south-east asian countries after blore. This shows that the penchant for development is there .but only if u give it a chance ..and of course the consumer market is booming going by the numbers of Mercedes and other high end cars that are hitting the roads of ghy ( earlier Mercedes means its either from jorhat or from dibrugarh/tinsukia the tea- belt). And this rise in consumerism (in ghy and elsewhere) is indirectly proportional to the decline of ULFA. Touché.Don't extortion calls reach your home earlier than youcan drive back from the dealership with your car,these days??Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home pagehttp://www.yahoo.com/r/hs___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Oxom swadhin hobo!!
IMO,being able to celebrate any festival, especially the Independence Day without the fear of getting killed or maimedshould beone of themost importantcriteria of being able to consider oneself an independent person in an independent country. Are the people of Assam deprived from that? If so, who is depriving them from this minimum level of independence? Oxom swadhin hobo!! Xantire swadhinota uddhar koribo. Tetia baaru Oxomot praan-haani, maan-haani,othoba ongo-khuthuwar lekhia kunubhot-bheet nuhuwakoi, xokolu Oxom-baaxi-ye (Oxomiya-i houk baa desu-wali-ei houk) Swadhinota Dibox paalon koribo paaribo-ne? From: "J. Kalita" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Oxom swadhin hobo!!Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:10:29 -0600 (MDT)Oxom swadhin hobo!! Xantire swadhinota uddhar koribo. Prithibir xokolOjatir logot ekexarit bohibo. Oxomor dOpot dOpe unnoti hobo.Jugal Kalita___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] I - Day, AT editorial
day. That is the sad reality. Independence? From Whom? From What? From being told what to do -year after year -from being threatenedthat if they feel and thus celebrate their being independent, they would die. So who is keeping the peoplefrom being independent? And what kind of independence are they being promised? - that youwill beindependentas long as you will do whatI tell youto do, or else! From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Namita Das" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Assam" assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] I - Day, AT editorialDate: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:09:45 -0500 Good to hear from you after a very long time Namita. But I think you are looking at the issue thru a rather constricted aperture. There is a whole lot more to it. Some of it you can see at: http://www.dainikagradoot.com/mainnews1.htm and also for Democracy perhaps, but freedom waits. at: http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050822fname=JJohn+Pilgersid=1pn=3 You do not need ULFA to reject the festivities of Independence day. That is the sad reality. Independence? From Whom? From What? c-da At 9:02 PM -0400 8/15/05, Namita Das wrote: Feel terrible how the people of Assam are deprived of celebrating their own I-day by a terrible group.- Original Message - From: "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Assam" assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:13 PMSubject: [Assam] I - Day, AT editorial Some of the sentiments a number of us have been expressing.__I -Day violenceCalls by the insurgent outfits to boycott the Independence Day andRepublic Day has become the order of the day and this year is noexception as four militant outfits of the north eastern regionincluding the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) have given a callto boycott the Independence Day celebrations. The ULFA, in an apparentmove to deter the people of Assam from celebrating the day, even wentto the extent of claiming that it would attack the venues of theIndependence Day celebrations. But on the positive side, the number ofmilitant outfits giving calls for Independence Day celebrations iscoming down with every passing year with more and more militantoutfits coming forward for talks with the Government of India forpolitical solution of their problems and the possibility of the ULFAbeing totally isolated in the days to come cannot be ruled out. Majormilitant outfits of the North East region including both the factionsof the NSCN have been holding talks with the Government of India,while, the ULFA lost another of its partner- National Democratic Frontof Boroland (NDFB) as the Bodo outfit has also signed a cease-firepact with the Government of India, which prevented the outfit fromgiving any call to boycott the Independence Day celebrations.The threat by the ULFA to attack the venues of the Independence Daycelebrations also exposed the fact that the frustration level of theoutfit is growing with every passing year. The ULFA can give boycottcalls, but the people of Assam have the right to decide whether toattend the celebrations or not and no one has the right to use forceto compel anyone from attending any function. The gruesome killing of13 women and children in Dhemaji during the Independence Daycelebrations last year is still fresh in the memory of the people ofAssam and the ULFA should remember the State-wide public outcryagainst such kind of mindless killing before issuing any threat to thepeople who decide to attend the Independence Day celebrations. TheULFA should also realise the fact that any killing of innocent peoplewill further alienate the outfit from the masses and so they shoulddesist from targeting innocent people to achieve their goals. Theoutfit should also realise that it would never be able to justify thekilling of any innocent person to achieve its goal.The Police and other security agencies have made tight securityarrangements to foil any attempt by the militant outfit from causingany disturbance, but no amount of security is adequate as the forcescannot be expected to guard every inch of the land. The militants havelet loose a reign of terror in different parts of Assam with a seriesof bomb explosions during the run up to the Independence Day andinstead of engaging the forces in encounters, the militants havestarted to resort to explosions to make their presence felt. With theavailability of highly sophisticated explosive devices including the programmable time devices with the militants, it is impossible todetect bombs planted in vulnerable places with the equipment availablewith the State Police and efforts should be made to procauresophisticated equipment to detect bombs planted by the militants underthe scheme to modernise the State police force. At the same time,efforts should be made by the Government of India to bring themilitants to the negotiation table for a political solution to theproblem of insurgency, which haunted
Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage
I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this forum. But you never The problem is not exactly there, Umesh-ji. You are portraying as ifsome kids you metare behaving like this because they are NRI kids. Did you take a survey of all NRI kids to see if all of them behave the same way that you are thinking? Though a big part depends on what society one lives in, behavior of aperson alsodependson family background and the values that he/she grows up with. I know of 'fresh off the board kids' that landed fromIndia or elsewhere,going haywire, who, sadly but apparently thought "that is Aamrika", "that is the civilized west", and that is the only way toshow ofhavinga broad mind. Forget that, there are deshi kids inside the "desh" itself that behave like the "NRI kids" that you mentioned, what about some kids that are still living on the pure soil of India even now? I hear, read on newspapers/magazines, andsee themonsatellite deshi channelsall the time. What you have seen of NRI kids, we have seen or heard of deshi kids too. Inspite of all these, I am not inspired to generalize and label all the deshi kids (or the NRI kids or anybody in general) as some unruly kids with uncontrollable indecent behavior. I just wondered what made you generalize the NRI kids that way which is surprising and the description is just unbearable. I thought you knew better than to draw a conclusion on a whole group of people just by meeting a few here and there. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's "broken" marriageDate: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:30:44 +0100 (BST)C-da,I have been late in responding to your mail becos today I was wondering why all of a sudden so many NRAs have started feeling offended by my mails. I realized that perhaps my observations on the behavior of some US based NRI kids has been responsible for this sudden spurt. I must say noone told me about such things possible in USA so I was at a loss - and sought advice from those already based here for long. I do not see any link to religion here.I guess I should limit my discussion to education and economic development in Assam or India as a whole and not express opinions on the hallowed lifestyles of US based NRIs.This reminds me of the furore created by the films Water, Fire etc when focus was on treatment of widows and life of housewives on some Indian homes. It hurt sensibilities of most Indians. I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this forum.I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this forum. But you never commented on my article on IMDT either. Any views??UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Umesh:The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you, considering you are a gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got on your case about your anti-Muslim posts to Assam Net and those who echo your sentiments, although very un-Assamese like, came to your defense, on grounds of free speech? Free speech, incidentally is a privilege, not a right, in a private e-mail list such as Assam Net.It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your preoccupation with sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children, Bollywood personalities, wealth and social mores of NRI children and your half-baked assessments and broad-brush judgements of people on skimpy evidence, speaks more of your maturity than subjects of your judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not withstanding.I have no problems understanding your affected interests in Assam and the Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and adjust your modus operandi in Assam Net. Your attitudes and mind-set are fairly alien to the Assamese one, if you have not yet noticed.Take care.cmPS: Hi Saswati: Good to hear from you. Hope things are going well for you.. Assam net is a self subscribing/un-subscribing list these days. I hope you won't leave, but participate. Say Hi to Babul. Best.--c'daAt 11:49 PM +0100 8/10/05, umesh sharma wrote:Dear Tridip, You have already started the good work!!! -- by contributing to its discussions. It would be interesting to hear from your experience in Lucknow. Umeshtridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hi saswati, well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a member of ratne..though i am not sure if that happened or if that's possible at all..just a guess )..as for unsubscribing from the group..i think u should give it a second thought...now that u are already a member of the group...i believe u can put that to good effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some healthy discussion... issues pertaining to assam and see what the assamese diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having said that lemme clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner of the group...and to be honest i am not sure whether i actually did
Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage
Once more, Umesh-ji, just once more I will say this before I rest my case. I said "I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this forum." and I said they are doing whatever you saw NOT because they are NRI kids but because they areWHAT THEY ARE. I would again stress that I have indeed met scores of NRI kids at Harvard - in my classes and otherwise --who are leading students at Harvard and MIT. But that said -- there are some things I Of course you have, you attended Harvard for a year, didn't you? We haveNRI kids from not only Harvard and MIT but from all the schools here and overseas andeach onediffers in behavior. so? Didnt' someone say that taking a few degrees or not,from wherever doesn't make one "educated"? Decency has to come from inside, and it is not necessarily about doing anything physically,but also about discussing it in the wrong place at the wrong time. Can you leave the detailed and vulgar description of these incidents? We don't want to see you bringing down your family members here either, just to make a rather silly point. Other than this, I wish you good luck in whatever you are trying to do. I know how tough it is, though you have an advantage that you have a degree now (I know you had one/two from before also), especially from Harvard. I know you will use it to its best. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's "broken" marriageDate: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:40:32 +0100 (BST)Alpana-ji,I would again stress that I have indeed met scores of NRI kids at Harvard - in my classes and otherwise --who are leading students at Harvard and MIT. But that said -- there are some things I did not like about SOME NRI kid(s) or Indian immigrant to US. I presented - a case study - for discussion. For some reason everyone thought that I was labellling ALL NRI kids as wanting.I said "I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this forum."My comment on the films Water and Fire were also in this context - becos these films portrayed the problems faced by SOME real widows and monotony of housewives in INDIA. These were real problems - so the movie was justified - to highlight them. Similarly I reasoned that I was justified in highlighting the problems faced by SOME NRI kids or NRI immigrants --such as lack of sex education or parental or community support.UmeshPS: C-da and Amlan-da,I have never said that India is heaven and rest of the world is hell -- I have even talked on this forum about my mother getting beaten by my father and my cousin being poisoned by his wife. Maybe all of us are not comfortable discussing such issues."Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this forum. But you neverThe problem is not exactly there, Umesh-ji. You are portraying as if some kids you met are behaving like this because they are NRI kids. Did you take a survey of all NRI kids to see if all of them behave the same way that you are thinking?Though a big part depends on what society one lives in, behavior of a person also depends on family background and the values that he/she grows up with.I know of 'fresh off the board kids' that landed from India or elsewhere, going haywire, who, sadly but apparently thought "that is Aamrika", "that is the civilized west", and that is the only way to show of having a broad mind. Forget that, there are deshi kids inside the "desh" itself that behave like the "NRI kids" that you mentioned, what about some kids that are still living on the pure soil of India even now? I hear, read on newspapers/magazines, and see them on satellite deshi channels all the time.What you have seen of NRI kids, we have seen or heard of deshi kids too. Inspite of all these, I am not inspired to generalize and label all the deshi kids (or the NRI kids or anybody in general) as some unruly kids with uncontrollable indecent behavior.I just wondered what made you generalize the NRI kids that way which is surprising and the description is just unbearable. I thought you knew better than to draw a conclusion on a whole group of people just by meeting a few here and there. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Subject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's "broken" marriage Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:30:44 +0100 (BST) C-da, I have been late in responding to your mail becos today I was wondering why all of a sudden so many NRAs have started feeling offended by my mails. I realized that perhaps my observations on the behavior of some US based NRI kids has been responsible for this s
[Assam]
Hi Everybody: I just learnt something that I never had to think about before- that you can'tadd "Shri-juta" to a deceased person's name! Is it true? Or can youput "Proyato Shri-juta" at least? Thanks in advance for your help. - A. Sarangapani Houston, Texas. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam]
Thanks for the good explanation to both of you. distortion "Xorgiyo" before the name. For example, Xorgiyo Gopinath Bordoloi. But when a "wob-bo" is added to "dontya-xo", I think even the oxomiya utsaaron becomes "swo" instead of "xo". I mean we can say "xorog" for "sworgo", but I don't think can'tpronounce it as"xorgiya" instead of "sworgiya", do/can we? So IMHO, "sworgiya" is not an 'opobhrongxo' of anything like 'xorgiya', it is just a separate word by itself. Thanks again. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam]Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:29:23 -0500O'Deka:Is a variation same as "distortion"? Why I ask is, if the original form is sacrosanct?O'mAt 7:58 PM -0700 8/6/05, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:Srijuta (distortion of Shriyukta in Sanskrit) means "Let prosperity accompany him", :-) something similar to "PBUH" that some Muslims use when referring to Hazrat Muhammed. When a person has passed away, the common practice used to be to put "Swargiya" or its distortion "Xorgiyo" before the name. For example, Xorgiyo Gopinath Bordoloi.Is that usage still in practice in Assam?"Proyato" means gone or passed away. Proyato Srijuta is too farfetched, in my opinion.Dilip=Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:O' Alpana:Moi 'expart' nohoy, tothapi mukh melilw:Sri, by definition, is an appellation for a live person.Therefore Srijuta would be too I think.BTW, what is the meaning of 'Proyato'? Is it same as Sworgiya/Sworgiyo? If it is, then the combo may be an unusual one :-).c-daAt 5:31 PM -0500 8/6/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:Hi Everybody:I just learnt something that I never had to think about before -that you can't add "Shri-juta" to a deceased person's name! Is ittrue? Or can you put "Proyato Shri-juta" at least?Thanks in advance for your help.- A. SarangapaniHouston, Texas.___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] This in Mumbai--from the ToI
It is a heartbreaking story. And I can relate to the story,we know usually themostcorrupted peoplewould do the 'bhekoo-bhaona' of"followingthe rules", Only if it concerns someone else of course, especially the poor. May Mahek rest in peace and may her parents andher brother get the strength to go on with life. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] This in Mumbai--from the ToIDate: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:36:56 -0500'Dig up dead baby for Rs 50,000 compensation'SOMIT SENTIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, AUGUST 05, 2005 12:05:53 PM ]Surf 'N' Earn -Sign innowMUMBAI: The rains may have broken lives, limbs and and homes but they've made not the slightest dent in the great bureaucratic machine. The Thane tehsildar's office is demanding that the Sheikhs, a poor couple from Mumbra who lost their two-moth-old baby to the deluge, should exhume the body and conduct a post-mortem in order to claim the Rs 50,000 compensation. This despite a receipt from the kabrastaan affirming the burial and any number of witnesses who watched the shivering, drenched baby die. After losing their child and home (a pucca hut that was washed away), and being stranded for a day with their dead baby on Parsik hill with 24 other families, the last thing that the Sheikhs want to be put through is an exhumation. Rs 50,000 would go a long way towards rebuilding their home, but Mohammed Sheikh says he doesn't want the state's money. "We will find a way,'' he says. "We cannot exhume our child whose last rites have been performed.'' When Mahek blinked her eyes shut for the last time, her mother Negar's sobs were lost in the drumming rain, and the neighbours huddled around were too deep in their own wretchedness to comfort her. A whole day passed, and finally, local social worker Yogesh Davne advised the couple to bury the child as the body... ... had begun to decompose. Mohammed braved the flooded roads carrying the baby aloft to reach the kabrastaan in Amrut Nagar where she was buried with the last rites. Moved by the parents' plight, social workers took the case to the tehsildar's office in Thane. What they didn't expect was the rule book. Resident Naib Tehsildar A B Bhoir told TOI, "Rules are rules. We want the Sheikhs to follow procedure. We cannot give them a single paisa if the rules are not followed. We don't care if it is a two-month-old baby or an elderly person. Give us the post-mortem report.'' The Sheikhs are living in the open with their five-year-old son who survived. "What is the government doing for the poor?'' says Negar's mother who has asked her daughter and family to move to her home. "CM saab came to Mumbra, but he quickly toured the main road. Twenty-four families on Parsik hill are homeless and pennile___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] A new diktat from ULFA
You are not in Assam. I am not in Assam. The Sarangapanis are not inAssam. Chandan Mahanta is not in Assam. Very true. So, whoeverlives in Assam is an ULFA or has the right to be one and kill the innocent? If they only fought the government and left the common people in peace I wouldn't care. I only care because it is costing Assam a great deal- holding it back from being economically advanced. With all the violence and bandhs and what not, it is making people thatlive onhourly wages, beggers from being 'simply poor'. Only a certain group of people are making money - beimaani everywhere. The money that the state government spend on feeding the Army and the CRPs is diverted from it being spent on a semi-permanent solution to the flood problem in Assam. The already incompetent government can't concentrate (just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt before totally giving up on them too, that they would have worked hard to take Assam forward like they are supposed to, otherwise) on economic development of the state but is constantly fighting insurgency. And taking the name of ULFA and oftenputting the blame on them, there are so many groups of people that are creating havocs in the cities in Assam that nobody can trust anybody. Oxomotenekuwa bishringkhol oboshar shristi korar baabe` dayii kun? Kune` sol dile` baare-bongoluwa maanh aahiOxomot xumaai suri-dokaiti kori din-duporote`maanuh mora obosthar shristi kora? I think all these insurgent groups!! It is not costing the so called "leaders" anything, they are loaded with the money they extort in the name of "saving Assam", educating their children in foreign countries, but it is costing lives to the Nodai-Bhodai's that are taking up guns and fighting theauthority - thats what is making themdisliked by the common people of Assam, who are not getting fooled by their big talks. And a few of thosebig talkersduring the'bidexi kheda aandolon' are also on 'Raj-Paat' now, stillsucking the blood of the common people. I see their names on the onlinenewspapers of Assam every so oftenand that'swhen I want to puke in disgust toward them and cry inside for the misery endured bymy honest and hard-workingfriends and relatives in Assam, in addition to what they have to face everyday to get water, fire and food to survive. Sounds like a melodrama? So be it. It was nothing but an echo of the feelings ofa common man - an honest and truthful,hard-working commonAssamese who still LIVES IN ASSAM but wants to live andnot just survive. From: "J. Kalita" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Roy, Santanu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: RE: [Assam] A new diktat from ULFADate: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:23:40 -0600 (MDT)You are not in Assam. I am not in Assam. The Sarangapanis are not inAssam. Chandan Mahanta is not in Assam. I am almost scared to interject here - but I think I should say that the claim that "We all, rightly or wrongly, claim to represent the popular opinion of the Assam." is not correct. I certainly don't. I just claim to represent my own opinion and that too with great difficulty :-). Therefore, I am not like the ULFA. Actually, it would be interesting to know how many of the netters (other than RB) claim to represent the popular opinion of Assam? Santanu. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rajen Barua Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:22 PM To: Chan Mahanta Cc: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Subject: Re: [Assam] A new diktat from ULFA *** Unlike me or you, ULFA is made up of people, who, rightly or wrongly, claim to represent the wishes of the people of Assam. The above sentence is grammatically and logically incorrect, and does not mean anything if you analyze. We all, rightly or wrongly, claim to represent the popular opinion of the Assam. So the word unlike does not go there. And when you remove the word unlike, ULFA becomes like anybody else, me or you, us. Rajen*** Unlike me or you, ULFA is made up of people, who, rightly or wrongly, claim to represent the wishes of the people of Assam. Their constituency, their supporters, also believe that Indian political machinations have hurt Assam's interests. You may not accept that. But that is different. Who is the ULFA to tell the Assamese whom they should or shouldn't invite from Delhi? Same explanation here. Why do you assume that just because some minister comes down from Delhi to lecture, it is necessarily bad or polarizing for Assam. Come on Ram, you keep missing the obvious: ULFA does not recognize Indian controls over Assam. That is why they are telling Indians to keep out. It is not about whether it might be good or bad for Assam. But let me ask you this: Is it good for Assam, for its elections to be INFLUENCED by remote interests from elsewhere in India? Assuming ONLY regional parties participate in the elections, how
RE: [Assam] Herpes - Ignorant NRI kids: I don't need to worry says HarvardHealth
Oh, Umesh-ji. Just can't stand it anymore. As long as you don't become one IBCD at this age- Indian Born Confused Deshi,everytihng will be fine. Also, about ADD/ADHD (Attention Deficit/Hyperativity Disorder) syndrome kids that only the NRI parents have to go through to put their ADD kidsin special class-rooms is a bunch of baloney. Kids with ADD is a common problem in the elementary/secondary schools and even many professional Americanadults with Master's degrees(including African Americans,people of Hispanic origin,Caucasian Americans),are being diagnosed as having the ADD problem. It is a social problem in America. A closed minded but brilliant and hard-workingIndian American told me some are taking it as an excuse to avoid resposibilities. so what's new?? From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Herpes - Ignorant NRI kids: I don't need to worry says HarvardHealthDate: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:50:27 +0100 (BST)Hi,I received a Voice Mail message on Tuesday at noon" This is a message for Mr Sharma from Harvard University Health Services . The testing you had done and required your signature is all negative. Ahh U There is no cause for concern. All the blood work is negative and fine. Take care."Maybe over phone they do not mention what tests I had taken -- but the tests were for AIDS, Genital Herpes, Hepitis B etc - all incurable diseases.http://www.teensource.org/RunScript.asp?page=133Poll_ID=4p=ASP\Pg133.aspIt gives me a piece of mind that for one third of my life - the most dangerous part - for acquiring AIDS or STDs is through without any scars. Though not from sexual contacts but from doctors errors while performing tests or operations - such for tonsilitis etc or other ways of getting the diseases - harmless contact ( The Genital Herpes virus is spread only rarely, if at all, by touching objects such as a toilet seat or hot tub http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdherp.htm)My room mate - is the only child whose both parents are software engineers and always pointing out what to eat and what not to eat - he can't drink milk, Coca Cola or eat rice - since he would grow fat - he is moderately so now. But they never told him about a terrible disease with so many having it in US(genital herpes infection is common in the United States. Nationwide, at least 45 million people ages 12 and older, or one out of five adolescents and adults, have had genital HSV infection. Between the late 1970s and the early 1990s, the number of Americans with genital herpes infection increased 30 percent. http://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/STDFact-Herpes.htm ) and he went about having sex with many partners (including with an Indian girl in his college classroom - if he is to be believed) without knowing that he could get these STD through oral sex also.My landlord - also a software engineer - says that while working for TELCO in Mumbai - ALL 30 of his room mates at the Kerala hostel used to visit prostitutes at Kamathipura Red Light area in Mumbai on the weekends. Each had a favorite one. One of them infact married one of them-after these guys went in 6 cars and rescued her. He always used condoms - even though she didn't want it. So this is how education is helping avoid prostitution and female trafficking in India. his doctor father had warned him that free sexual experimentation can lead to incurable diseases - they had watched James Bond movies together when he was a child. Perhaps his (my room mate's) Guru Osho Rajneesh also died of such a disease.However he wants a homely virigin wife. Is it surprising?Umesh-Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] A new diktat from ULFA
power to interfere in the elections of its state. Would India allow Pakistanis or BDeshis or Americans to come canvass for elections in it's territory? Did ULFA win an election in Assam already to "allow" things? - a free election where no threats of any kinds was used, that is. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] A new diktat from ULFADate: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:08:55 -0500Considering that ULFA does not recognize India's rule over Assam, it makes all the sense in the world to them to not allow an occupying power to interfere in the elections of its state. Would India allow Pakistanis or BDeshis or Americans to come canvass for elections in it's territory?The question,at best, demonstrates an absence of ordinary inferential skills, no doubt resulting in absurd questions like: Or else, guess what will happen? I wonder what kind ofa democracy will be there in independent Assam.--- one having little or no connection with the other.At 10:14 PM -0700 8/1/05, Rajib Das wrote:http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpagefile_name=story3%2Etxtcounter_img=3?headline=ULFA~diktat:~No~entry~for~'outside'~vote-seekersAnother tactic this time. Not allowing central leadersof national parties to campaign in Assam.Or else, guess what will happen? I wonder what kind ofa democracy will be there in independent Assam.__Yahoo! Mail for MobileTake Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] A new diktat from ULFA
In the same logic, how did Mohandas Gandhi or Subhash Bose or Jinnah inpre-1947 British India represent the people of India? Was Mohandas Gandhi Don't know about Jinnah or Bose, but Gandhi and ULFA? Wasn'tGandhi all about non-violence? Didn't he sacrifice and live on bare necessities? Spain? Were the framers of the US constitution in Philadelphia elected bythe people of America? No, but it was'framed' by the "founding fathers" and outstanding leaders of which many were members of the continental congress. They did not terrorize their own peoplejust because they wanted to get back to the colonists, or built their own empire with the extorted moneythey got fromthe people. They had the general public (who had totalfaith on them) to support them all they way. What is the Assamese word/phrase for 'absurd comparison'? From: "J. Kalita" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] A new diktat from ULFADate: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:59:31 -0600 (MDT)In the same logic, how did Mohandas Gandhi or Subhash Bose or Jinnah inpre-1947 British India represent the people of India? Was Mohandas Gandhielected to be President/Prime Minister/king/emperor or whatever ofpre-1947 India? Was he a demagogue? Did Nelson Mandela represent thepeople of South Africa when he was languishing in jail? Was he elected torepresent the people of South Africa? Was Simon Bolivar elected by thecountries of South America before he led the war for independence fromSpain? Were the framers of the US constitution in Philadelphia elected bythe people of America?Jugal Kalita Of course, we are all well-wishers of Assam. But what has that go to do with ULFA's 'interest' in an election conducted by Indian authorities. *** Unlike me or you, ULFA is made up of people, who, rightly or wrongly, claim to represent the wishes of the people of Assam. Their constituency, their supporters, also believe that Indian political machinations have hurt Assam's interests. You may not accept that. But that is different.Who is the ULFA to tell the Assamese whom they should or shouldn't invite from Delhi? Same explanation here.Why do you assume that just because some minister comes down from Delhi to lecture, it is necessarily bad or polarizing for Assam.Come on Ram, you keep missing the obvious: ULFA does not recognize Indian controls over Assam. That is why they are telling Indians to keep out. It is not about whether it might be good or bad for Assam.But let me ask you this: Is it good for Assam, for its elections to be INFLUENCED by remote interests from elsewhere in India?Assuming ONLY regional parties participate in the elections, how will that benefit ULFA?I cannot speak for ULFA. But I am of the belief that Assam's interests are best served by political parties who are rooted in Assam, and whose elections are not interfered with by outside interests. That is what local self-government is all about.All of this just pure humbug. What the ULFA is probably trying to do is to draw some attention to themselves. They have been left out to dry for a while, so passing a Dikat here and a Dikat there might actually bring the spotlight on them.You may be right, or you may be wrong. Neither has anything to do with the premise of the original argument and conclusions, that started this debate.As for polarization problems, sitting cozily in Bangladesh, passing dikats, and encouraging illegal immigration does more to polarize than anything else.You can spin it anyway you wish. But can you show how ULFA is either encouraging illegal migration, or causing polarizations in Assam? At 11:03 AM -0500 8/3/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da If you were to be an independent observer and well-wisher of Assam, would that seem unreasonable or bad for Assam ? Of course, we are all well-wishers of Assam. But what has that go to do with ULFA's 'interest' in an election conducted by Indian authorities. They are the ones passing out dikats left and right, and basically infringing upon the free will of the Assamese people (not you and I). Who is the ULFA to tell the Assamese whom they should or shouldn't invite from Delhi? Don't the Assamese in Assam know what is or what is not polarizing, instead of having the ULFA intelligensia forcing them to think otherwise and dictating behavior? Why do you assume that just because some minister comes down from Delhi to lecture, it is necessarily bad or polarizing for Assam. When Assam had no regional parties, was Assam more (or less) polarized than it is now? Assuming ONLY regional parties participate in the elections, how will that benefit ULFA? All of this just pure humbug. What the ULFA is probably trying to do is to draw some attention to themselves. They have been left out to dry for a while, so passing a Dikat here and a Dikat there might actually bring the spotlight on them. As for
Re: [Assam] A new diktat from ULFA
*** Unlike me or you, ULFA is made up of people, who, rightly or wrongly, claim to represent the wishes of the people of Assam. Even the wishes of the people of Assamare dictated, as you rightly mentioned: "claim claim to represent the wishes of the people of Assam" What kind of independence they would bring to the people of Assam? Does not this reiterate once more that: ULFA power-ot aahile, bhoyote` petot haat-bhori lukuwai rakhibo loga obostha hobomaanuhor, proittyek dinei! Ammak laage neki xeitu? Nischoy nelage`! From: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] A new diktat from ULFADate: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:22:19 -0500 *** Unlike me or you, ULFA is made up of people, who, rightly or wrongly, claim to represent the wishes of the people of Assam.The above sentence is grammatically and logically incorrect, and does not mean anything if you analyze.We all, rightly or wrongly, claim to represent the popular opinion of the Assam. So the word unlike does not go there. And when you remove the word unlike, ULFA becomes like anybody else, me or you, us.Rajen *** Unlike me or you, ULFA is made up of people, who, rightly or wrongly, claim to represent the wishes of the people of Assam. Their constituency, their supporters, also believe that Indian political machinations have hurt Assam's interests. You may not accept that. But that is different. Who is the ULFA to tell the Assamese whom they should or shouldn't invite from Delhi? Same explanation here. Why do you assume that just because some minister comes down from Delhi to lecture, it is necessarily bad or polarizing for Assam. Come on Ram, you keep missing the obvious: ULFA does not recognize Indian controls over Assam. That is why they are telling Indians to keep out. It is not about whether it might be good or bad for Assam. But let me ask you this: Is it good for Assam, for its elections to be INFLUENCED by remote interests from elsewhere in India? Assuming ONLY regional parties participate in the elections, how will that benefit ULFA? I cannot speak for ULFA. But I am of the belief that Assam's interests are best served by political parties who are rooted in Assam, and whose elections are not interfered with by outside interests. That is what local self-government is all about. All of this just pure humbug. What the ULFA is probably trying to do is to draw some attention to themselves. They have been left out to dry for a while, so passing a Dikat here and a Dikat there might actually bring the spotlight on them. You may be right, or you may be wrong. Neither has anything to do with the premise of the original argument and conclusions, that started this debate.As for polarization problems, sitting cozily in Bangladesh, passing dikats, and encouraging illegal immigration does more to polarize than anything else. You can spin it anyway you wish. But can you show how ULFA is either encouraging illegal migration, or causing polarizations in Assam? At 11:03 AM -0500 8/3/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da If you were to be an independent observer and well-wisher of Assam, would that seem unreasonable or bad for Assam ?Of course, we are all well-wishers of Assam. But what has that go to do with ULFA's 'interest' in an election conducted by Indian authorities. They are the ones passing out dikats left and right, and basically infringing upon the free will of the Assamese people (not you and I).Who is the ULFA to tell the Assamese whom they should or shouldn't invite from Delhi? Don't the Assamese in Assam know what is or what is not polarizing, instead of having the ULFA intelligensia forcing them to think otherwise and dictating behavior?Why do you assume that just because some minister comes down from Delhi to lecture, it is necessarily bad or polarizing for Assam. When Assam had no regional parties, was Assam more (or less) polarized than it is now?Assuming ONLY regional parties participate in the elections, how will that benefit ULFA?All of this just pure humbug. What the ULFA is probably trying to do is to draw some attention to themselves. They have been left out to dry for a while, so passing a Dikat here and a Dikat there might actually bring the spotlight on them.As for polarization problems, sitting cozily in Bangladesh, passing dikats, and encouraging illegal immigration does more to polarize than anything else.--RamOn 8/3/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Huh! So, it now seems that inspite of ULFA NOT recognizing Indian rule, they are still interested in an election conducted and participated by the Indians. I can't answer that. I was merely examining the logic of the original post, and the conclusions drawn. But one thing can be surmised: That the
Re: [Assam] re: why conscetious Hindus should not go to GuruVayoor
promoted by those who deem themselves to be 'thinking' people.and there must be a billion of those 'thinking' people, and thankfully, that is why there exist, all these churches, mosques and other worshipping places for everybody in every other corner in India, and not JUST temples for them hindus.No wonder they consider Indiaa secular country! From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] re: why conscetious Hindus should not go to GuruVayoorDate: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:52:02 -0500What would be outrageous would be to present this or any such religion as THE religion for all Indians. And any political entity that exists with the support and approval of such religions, ought not to be accepted/endorsed or otherwisepromoted by those who deem themselves to be 'thinking' people.At 3:52 PM -0500 8/1/05, Rajen Barua wrote:?I fully agree with the views. This goes to say, religion is what it is and not what it should be. Any Sect of Hinduism is what it is. Nobody has a say from outside to tell what it ought to be. If some temple does not allow others to enter, that is what it is. And I don't see any problem. As the saying goes, every dog has its tail. The problem arises when someone wants to equate Hinduism with something else and try to dictate what the different sects should be in order to conform to certain common assumed norms of Hindusim.Some sects of Hindusim believe in animal sacrifice. some in human sacrifice, some in vegetable sacrifice, some in snake worshiping, some in tree worshiping, some in Ma-Kali worshiping, most religions even believe in the existence of a God who is in charge of everything.I donot believe in any of these, and I donot have any problem when anybody believes and practice any of these.Rajen Barua- Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: mailto:Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:05 AMSubject: Re: [Assam] re: why conscetious Hindus should not go to GuruVayoorThe prohibition of foreigners, non-Hindus and even low caste Hindus to certain temples of India is not a new thing. First Hindu religion is not a universal religion. It is only in modern times that the concept of universality has arisen. Vaisnavism as preached by Shankaradeva and Chaitanya is a universal religion. It was Swami Vivekananda who preached that exclusiveness in Hinduism must be eschewed and thus the Ram Krishna mission was founded. The ascetics in ancient India held that religion is an intensely personal matter and the devotee has to find out his God or salvation by his own efforts, if need be, with the help of a Guru of his choice. That is why many went to the deep forests of the Himalayas to pray alone and ultimately achieve salvation. The great Shankaracharrya did that at a very young age. Modernists like Shankaradeva didn't choose that way. Orthodox or Sanatan Hindu dharma was not aimed either at conversion or publicity.Restricted temples are run by groups of Brahmins and anyone visiting those temples must follow their guidelines. If the temple authority wants to close the doors to foreigners, they can. However, if these temples propagate an universal religion, they should not prohibit entries. I know there is a Hindu temple in London where women are not allowed. Men just do not go there.If foreigners or scholars want to visit certain Hindu temples for either research or devotional purposes it is up to the temple authority to make the facilities available. In a temple at Guwahati I saw one foreign Hindu monk being welcomed in to the sanctuary.Hindus usually enter their places of worship with veneration. An atheist or a non-Hindu lacks this sense of humility and may be critical of the management in a lot of things even though he may be justified..Should a temple run by a group of orthodox Brahmins for their exclusive clientele be opened to the harijans because untouchability in public places is prohibited under the Constitution of India. Well, non-believers have no need to be offended but believers should certainly not be discriminatedThe matter has been dealt with within the existing law of India. I've not refreshed my memory on the point. So I want others to tell me what it is at the moment.In this particular instance, I do not see any problem in allowing the donor to enter the temple.The temple authority should not beunduly censorious.Bhuban___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list
Re: [Assam] re: why conscetious Hindus should not go to GuruVayoor
Hello Chandan-da: *** That depends on the definition of 'secular'.The English word means not-having anything to do with religion. But I meant quite the same waythe state does not have much to do with what those thinking people are doing - building mosques, temples, synagogues, gurudwar or Hindu/Buddha/Jain temples, etc., etc. What would be outrageous would be to present this or any suchreligion as THE religion for all Indians. And any political entity Anda government who sorta likes to boast about being secular (andfollowing it for decades) wouldn't present anyreligion as THE religionfor all Indians, would it? I was literallyreadingthe linesrather thanfollowing the whole thread, so forgive me if it was out of context and my biased mindset showed in the process.My glasses get tinted even when there is no UV rays someitmesneed a newset tothink beyond it. :) Have a great one! Regards. - A. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] re: why conscetious Hindus should not go to GuruVayoorDate: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:34:34 -0500No wonder they consider India a secular country!*** That depends on the definition of 'secular'.The English word means not-having anything to do with religion. But those who deride 'secularism' of Indian governance, must mean they want the Indian state to be a religious one. If so, should the thinking people support such political or religious entities who promote the idea of abandoning 'secularism' of Indian governance in favor of a RELIGIOUS one?That is the big question.At 8:48 AM -0500 8/2/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: promoted by those who deem themselves to be 'thinking' people.and there must be a billion of those 'thinking' people, and thankfully, that is why there exist, all these churches, mosques and other worshipping places for everybody in every other corner in India, and not JUST temples for them hindus. No wonder they consider India a secular country!From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] re: why conscetious Hindus should not go to GuruVayoorDate: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:52:02 -0500What would be outrageous would be to present this or any suchreligion as THE religion for all Indians. And any political entitythat exists with the support and approval of such religions, oughtnot to be accepted/endorsed or otherwisepromoted by those who deem themselves to be 'thinking' people.At 3:52 PM -0500 8/1/05, Rajen Barua wrote:?I fully agree with the views. This goes to say, religion is what itis and not what it should be. Any Sect of Hinduism is what it is.Nobody has a say from outside to tell what it ought to be. If sometemple does not allow others to enter, that is what it is. And Idon't see any problem. As the saying goes, every dog has its tail.The problem arises when someone wants to equate Hinduism withsomething else and try to dictate what the different sects shouldbe in order to conform to certain common assumed norms of Hindusim.Some sects of Hindusim believe in animal sacrifice. some in humansacrifice, some in vegetable sacrifice, some in snake worshiping,some in tree worshiping, some in Ma-Kali worshiping, most religionseven believe in the existence of a God who is in charge ofeverything.I donot believe in any of these, and I donot have any problem whenanybody believes and practice any of these.Rajen Barua- Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: mailto:Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:05 AMSubject: Re: [Assam] re: why conscetious Hindus should not go toGuruVayoorThe prohibition of foreigners, non-Hindus and even low caste Hindusto certain temples of India is not a new thing. First Hindureligion is not a universal religion. It is only in modern timesthat the concept of universality has arisen. Vaisnavism as preachedby Shankaradeva and Chaitanya is a universal religion. It wasSwami Vivekananda who preached that exclusiveness in Hinduism mustbe eschewed and thus the Ram Krishna mission was founded. Theascetics in ancient India held that religion is an intenselypersonal matter and the devotee has to find out his God orsalvation by his own efforts, if need be, with the help of a Guruof his choice. That is why many went to the deep forests of theHimalayas to pray alone and ultimately achieve salvation. The greatShankaracharrya did that at a very young age. Modernists likeShankaradeva didn't choose that way. Orthodox or Sanatan Hindu dharma was not aimed either at conversion or publicity.Restricted temples are run by groups of Brahmins and anyonevisiting those temples must follow theirguidelines. If the temple authority wants to close the doors to
RE: [Assam] From Sentinel - Aug 2
Hi Ganesh: Good to hear from you. Here isan explanation on that story: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1448117,0008.htm Quoting a few lines from it: "Akhtar maintained that while participating in the televised debate on Common Civil Code, he drew attention, among other things, to divergent social practices across India. To the best of my recollection, all I said was that while a niece can marry her uncle in certain communities in the South, in Punjab such a practice would amount to incest. Similarly, women in certain societies in the Northeast can marry more than once, which isn't the case elsewhere." I was thinking at least Shavana Azmi wouldn't allow him to think like that about the Assamese women. :) I still wonder though in which society in the NE can women marry more than once - just like that - other than when getting a divorce orwidowed, which is quite common nowadays almost everywhere in India, I suppose! Regards, - Baideu. From: Ganesh C Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assamnet assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] From Sentinel - Aug 2Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 05:59:35 -0700 (PDT)Javed remark irks Assamese womenAssamese women can be purchased in any mega cityGUWAHATI, Aug 1 (UNI): Javed Akhtar, the legendaryBolloywood lyricist, is facing collective ire ofAssamese women for delivering a one liner againstthem.Akhtar, during an interview with a television channel,passed a derogatory remark on Assamese women, and thishas snowballed into a major controversy as bothpolitical and apolitical organizations are up in armsagainst him.Akhtar might have underestimated the strength of theAssamese women when he said during the course of theinterview that the women of Assam cannot be equatedwith those of the other parts of the country. "TheAssamese women are frequently changing their husbandsand they can be purchased in any mega city of thecountry."This has sent shock-waves across the State and whatbegan with discussion in close circles and thenletters to the editors had now become a controversywith the BJPs women wing taking up the crusade forothers.The State wing of the BJPs Mohila Morcha, in a letterto the chairman of the partys women national body,demanded an apology from Javed Akhtar and from thetelevision channel.Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home pagehttp://www.yahoo.com/r/hs___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] ASA newsletter
what is the Assamese word for "revivalism"? punor-jagoron or punor-jiwon. now I used "w" here, because there is a 'wab-bo' in 'jiwon' (or jivon), so it can't be plain 'jibon', like I would spell normally. :) From: "Roy, Santanu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Barua25" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: RE: [Assam] ASA newsletterDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:13:05 -0500Out of pure curiosity and considering the interest it has generated: how often have any of you actually used the word "porhuoixokol" and "porhuoi" to refer to readers in your writings?Another question (just struck me): what is the Assamese word for "revivalism"?-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Barua25Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 11:47 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] ASA newsletterPise ene atut pros.no Oxomiat kesa manuhe koribo nware dei. Prosno.twr pora gom pwa jai je, prosno korwta jon Oxomiat swka hobo lagibo. Xi ji ki nohowk lage, pros.no.twr uttorot kobo pari je porhuoi manei hol pathok-pathika ba somukoi pathok. Por.hwta an eta eke ort.hor xob.do. Hoi, Oxomiat ei bilak xob.do hol synonym ba proti-xobdo.Rajen Barua - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: [Assam] ASA newsletter What does " porhuoixokol " mean? Are ' porhuoixokol' and ' pathok/pathika' synonymous? Moi oxomiyat okonman kesa.Gotike xyoma kore jen. KJD-- ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] beautiful assam
Hi All: Anybody remembers"beautiful assam"- theresourceful siteon Assam maintained by Jyotirupam from Assam? I can't find it anymore- even after googlingI couldn'tfind it, the links keeptakingme to some stupid site. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Fw: Indian Police
and they complainif the bossasks one of his employees to get her a cup of coffee in the morning from the break room? only if they knew how the bosses are treated in some other part of the world! :) From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Fw: Indian PoliceDate: 13 Jul 2005 00:42:07 - Scene: A flood affected area of Vadodara, GujratCast: Joint Commissioner of Police, K. Kumaraswamy, riding on theshoulders of a Constable to save his feet and trousers from FloodWater!!!Source: The Indian Express, July 2 We will all do our Nation a small favor by passing this New face ofIndian Administration to others.Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari...The most important thing in life is never to forget who you are...http://www.plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku Indian.jpg ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] On the Lighter Side
I agree and glad to see him comingback from his "vacation from this net"and keeping the net alive. We have two types of vacation from Assam net - one, when we get real busy with our real life/work, and two, when we really go on vacation. And Jugal made us feel guilty by saying 'assam net-ot khoti hol apulukor ei-keidin' when we went to Florida for Assam 2005. Have a great one, Everyone. :)From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] On the Lighter SideDate: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 04:14:48 EDTMridulEnjoyed your jokes very much. What I liked is that each of them appears tobe touched with realism. Do you think so?Bhuban___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] Vacation from Assam Net
Aren't the paid-vacation days over yet? In fact, vacation without pay should alsohave a limitation that depend on numbers of years served. What's wrong with these people, extending their vacation time over and over again? do they want this net to filefor chapter-11 due to no production/no profit, after all? come on you all, stop justreading and write something, once in a while, at least! Have a good one, Everybody! :) :) ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Nagalim's Demands ..
No. Assam's area is 78,438 sq.km.(used to be 126,920 sq. km. in 1941 with a population of 10,204,733) with a population of 26,638,407, and Nagaland's is 1/3 of it 16,579 sq. km. with a population of only 1,988,636. [Source:http://www.statoids.com/uin.html]. So, what if Assam does not agree (rightfully) to it? what's next, more violence, as usual? as it has been for decades? From: Babul Gogoi [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Babul Gogoi [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Nagalim's Demands ..Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:11:04 +0530Should Assam accept incorporation of some of its territory into theproposed greater Nagalim?Please cast your vote at: www.assam.org___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] Assamese get-together
Hi Everybody: We just got home from the great Assamese get-together at Orlando, Florida held at the beautiful and elegant setting at Disney Coronado Springs resort, which we enjoyed thoroughly. Here are some of the highlights of the event (from my point of view as a member of the audience): There was no small-time politics and upstaging one another at all. Thus there was no tension and each and everyone was having plain and simple fun. It was truly a "community event" where the community was the focus, as opposed to a convention which is consumed by itself. Even though there is only one Assamese family in the Orlando area, there are many out-of-town Assamese Floridians (and also from other states) who organized or helped in this great event for the guests to havesome down to earth fun.It made us feel like it was taken care of by 'local people' - we were totally "at home". Some from thecrowd like, Ganesh Bora, Utpal Brahma, Partha Gogoi, Prakash Deka, Abani Sharma, Jukti Kalita, Priyankoo Sharma, Jugal Kalita, Kamal Sharma etc., made the event much more livelier by their frequentjokes and the use of their sense of humor at the right times. Both professional artists (Elora Bora Singh and Jitul Sonowal) fromAssam gave greatperformances as expected. We had the experience of personally talking and dining with them - neverget this opportunity even back home. The guest artists were not just great performers, but were also able to mix and mingle with us freely. Beforegoing to Orlando, we had often heard of many of the names involved and thought they were larger than life, but were pleasantly surprised thatnone of themhad any airs about them. To add to this, we enjoyed andwere extremely proud to be able to enjoy the performances of great artists from the US itself. To mention some are: Rabin ArundhoteeGoswami, Abani Sarma and his granddaughter littleRanikiran, Priya Saikia, Anjana Bordoloi, Umesh Tahbildar, Biraj Bhuyan, Chumki Gogoi, Ruprekha Bhuyan, Lona Sarma, Leoni Borkakati, Preetha Kamath, Priya Saikia, Bihu- wonderfully danced by little Jahnabi Das, Rick Bhuyan, Nick Bhuyan, Nikumani Bhuyan, Surabhi Kalita, Jukti Kalita, Nilakshi Thakuria, Jayanta Thakuria,Malabika Brahma, Moushumi Chatterjee, Anuradha Deka, Please forgive me if I missed any performer's name. MCs: Rick and Nick Bhuyan, Pari Saikia, Santanu and Moushumi Chatterjee kept the show moving at a good pace. Rabin Goswami's presentation was justmesmerizing. His personality filled with humility and politeness won't give you a clue that he possesses a great voice and the quality of a professional singer, unless and until you hear him singing. The food was just great. The host families went out of the way to provide the whole gathering with sumptuous, nutritiousmeals of a medley ofAmerican, Italian, Indian and Mexican (as opposed to the regular oily Indian restaurantfood) dishes. They even paid attention to the details where vegetarians like me had a wide choice - gestures like this reinforces the feeling that each and everyone is welcome. Then there was this unique arrangement where guests were taken by bus (a nice scenic drive) to a local Indian restaurant for agrand dinner. It was like fun mixed with food. Before I forget, we also had the pleasure of viewing ashort filmby Ms. Sanchayita Sharma, "The Passage", about a poor family and theirlife "amidst the crisis of insurgency".The film is bases on the award winning short story by Dr. Indira Goswami. We also got to see Sanjoy Hazarika's A River's Story, the Quest for the Brahmaputra, directed by Jahnu Barua. It depicted the everyday life of all the people of the countries through which the great river flows. The gatheringwas also able to enjoy some of theoutstanding paintings of Mahesh da (Baishya) andMs. Jupi Tara Das' art (paper cutting) creation. Mahesh da also took the extra time to educate us to the essence of water-color painting. The discourse was not just educational but also enabled many of us to appreciate painting and art in a more knowledgeable way. There was also a beautiful exhibiton of Someof you missed the event because of some reason or another, but we really wish you all had been there. Like us, I am sure you too would have throughly enjoyed the fun-filled events. We made many new friends, and touched base with a whole lot more. One thing other meets in future might want to learn from Assam 2005is the spirit of comradrie and kinship and theutter lack of groupism,that was felt throughout the 3-day event. Its not just enough to put up alot pomp and glitz, but the main reason we need to gettogether once in awhile whether it's for Bihus or for other events is to develop and enhance the coheshiveness of Porbaxi Oxomiya. Young children too had their share of fun in the sports and picnic- many of them werealso enjoying it in a grand wayatDisney. Dr. Birendra Gohain, Commissioner to the CM of Assam, was the keynote speaker on Sunday. He touched upon a number of important issues
[Assam] Violence again: in the name of God
From the TOI: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1161060.cmsNEW DELHI: A terrorist attack on the disputed Ram temple in Ayodhya was foiled when six armed militants were gunned down in a two-hour crossfire with the CRPF. In a major breach of security, armed militants stormed the Ram Janmabhoomi premises in Ayodhya on Tuesday morning, sparking a gunbattle with police. In what appears to be a fidayeen attack, unidentified persons, armed with five AK 47s and one pistol gained entry into the disputed Ram Janambhoomi campus at 8:30 am and fired indiscriminately. The attackers used two vehicles -- a jeep loaded with bombs that blew up part of a wall at the outer periphery of the high-security complex, and a car which they drove through the breach in the wall. Security forces have arrested the driver of the vehicle used by the terrorists to reach the temple. The sanctum sanctorum suffered no damages. All the five militants were gunned down in the operation that lasted three hours. Intelligence agencies suspect Pakistan-based Lashker-e-Taiba (LeT) hand behind the attack. It is learnt that the LeT had been planning to attack the temple for a long time. One such plot was unearthed by the BSF in 2003... THIRD ATTACK ...Today's attack is the third major attack on a religious place in the country in the last three years. In September 2002, terrorists stormed the Akshardham temple complex in Gandhinagar killing 46 people and injuring 81. Two months later, in November 2002, militants attacked the Raghunath temple in Jammu, killing nine people and injuring 42. SECURITY LAPSE Today's attack is being seen a major intellligence failure. The Centre has been quick to admit a security lapse that failed to prevent the attack. Ayodhya is guarded by thousands of policemen and paramilitary forces. The site has multiple barricades where each devotee is searched before being allowed in. Unconfirmed reports, however, say that the state police had recently reduced the forces around the complex... THIRD ATTACK ...Today's attack is the third major attack on a religious place in the country in the last three years. In September 2002, terrorists stormed the Akshardham temple complex in Gandhinagar killing 46 people and injuring 81. Two months later, in November 2002, militants attacked the Raghunath temple in Jammu, killing nine people and injuring 42. WIDE PROTEST ...The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) abruptly interrupted the meeting of its leaders at Surat to flay what they said was the lack of adequate security at Hindu religious places. The leaders expressed serious concern over the attack and appealed to the people to register their strong protests in a "peaceful manner". "The lack of security allowed the terrorists to easily enter the premises and commit a heinous crime," said RSS spokesman Ram Madhav. "The nation should rise like one man to condemn the incident." VHP firebrand leader Praveen Togadia attributed the militant attack to "Pakistan, jehadi terrorism and Muslim votebank politics". He demanded that India discontinue the ongoing dialogue with Pakistan and asked the Indian Army to "crush Pak-sponsored terror". "They attacked the temple of democracy - the Indian parliament - now they have attacked the temple of national devotion, Ayodhya," thundered VHP leader Pravin Togadia. "This is an attack on India, on a future economic superpower, and a challenge to the nation. This is war against the Indian polity." BJP President, L K Advani said the party would hold nationwide protests on Wednesday. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Assamese get-together
Hello again, Everybody: While describing the fun that we had at the Orlando get-together, I left the names of the organizers of the event. See what I mean!These organizers did not make us feel that theyare the ones who were instrumental in making this happen. They are:Mrs Mr. Sunil B. Nath,Sanjib Bhuyan, Abani Sharmah, Kanika Sharma, Ganesh Bora, Samarjyoti Kalita, and Nilakshi Thakuria. I am pretty sure Ihave missed somebody,then again, that is'coz theywere really working hardfor the event to go smoothly without being noticed by theregular people like us.Like I said earlier, it was truly a "community event" for the people and just not for the organizers. Mrs. Sharma took the extra effort to teach the Chef of the resort center to make quite a few Assamese dishes like, Dail, Maasor tenga, Porotha, Paleng-xaakor bhaji, PodunaSatni, etc.- Assamese style, then providing desserts like Jilepi, Rosogullah, Lal-muhon, etc., (even the cucumbers were cut in Assamese style - you know! not in round circles, but in small chunks, I was touched :), really!) Also, I now realize that a big percentage of the people in the get-together were the members of the Assam Society of America, but not a single soul asked us to be members of the Society, neither did they make us feel like "outsiders", even for a second. I truly commend their gracious hospitality and thank them for a job well done. Anyway, just thought would try to cover all the good things that I noticed there. Thanks for reading and am glad to know that you liked the earlier description. With best wishes, - A. Sarangapani From: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Assamese get-togetherDate: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:36:13 -0500Congratulations to the host committee and the organizers and the silent workers behind the scene for what seem to be a very successful Assamese Get Together.It proves that even one kharkhwa Assamese host family is enough to organize a successful Get Together when there is a will.This is an encouraging news for the small town Assamese American families for future Get Togethers.It is also encouraging to see that we have in the community enough highly talented local artists to patronize two Assamese Get Togethers at the same time: In Orlando and Calgary. Keep up the good work, andI wonder if the audience asked any questions to Dr. Birendra Gohain, Commissioner to the CM of Assam, who was the keynote speaker on Sunday?Best of Wishes to the organizers of future Get TogethersRajen Barua - Original Message ----- From: Alpana B. Sarangapani To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:08 AM Subject: [Assam] Assamese get-together Hi Everybody: We just got home from the great Assamese get-together at Orlando, Florida held at the beautiful and elegant setting at Disney Coronado Springs resort, which we enjoyed thoroughly. Here are some of the highlights of the event (from my point of view as a member of the audience): There was no small-time politics and upstaging one another at all. Thus there was no tension and each and everyone was having plain and simple fun. It was truly a "community event" where the community was the focus, as opposed to a convention which is consumed by itself. Even though there is only one Assamese family in the Orlando area, there are many out-of-town Assamese Floridians (and also from other states) who organized or helped in this great event for the guests to have some down to earth fun. It made us feel like it was taken care of by 'local people' - we were totally "at home". Some from the crowd like, Ganesh Bora, Utpal Brahma, Partha Gogoi, Prakash Deka, Abani Sharma, Jukti Kalita, Priyankoo Sharma, Jugal Kalita, Kamal Sharma etc., made the event much more livelier by their frequent jokes and the use of their sense of humor at the right times. Both professional artists (Elora Bora Singh and Jitul Sonowal) from Assam gave great performances as expected. We had the experience of personally talking and dining with them - never get this opportunity even back home. The guest artists were not just great performers, but were also able to mix and mingle with us freely. Before going to Orlando, we had often heard of many of the names involved and thought they were larger than life, but were pleasantly surprised that none of them had any airs about them. To add to this, we enjoyed and were extremely proud to be able to enjoy the performances of great artists from the US itself. To mention some are: Rabin Arundhotee Goswami, Abani Sarma and his granddaughter little Ranikiran, Priya Saikia, Anjana Bordoloi, Umesh Tahbildar, Biraj Bhuyan, Chumki Gogoi, Ruprekha Bhuyan, Lona Sarma, Leoni Borkakati, Preetha Kamath, Priya Saikia, Bihu - wonderfully danced by little Jahnabi Das, Rick Bhuyan, Nick Bhuyan, Nikumani Bhuyan, Surabhi Kalita, Jukti Kalita, Nilakshi Thakuria, Jayanta Thakuria, Malabika Brahma, Moushumi Chatterjee
[Assam] India to have US-style FDA soon
From The TOI: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1161680.cms India to have US-style FDA soonNEW DELHI: Beauty creams promising to remove stretch marks and improve fairness in a week, herbal teas promising instant weight loss, drugs guaranteeing to treat impotency or prolong sexual drive and hospitals luring people by promising to have an answer for diseases like AIDS, diabetes and psoriasis. All these will soon come under the scanner. The health ministry has decided to set up an autonomous Drug Control Authority of India (DCAI), which will be a close replica of the Food and Drugs Authority of the United States. Claims made by any product will now have to be scientifically proven before DCAI prior to their being launched in the market. By amending the Drugs and Cosmetics Act and the Drugs and Magic Drugs Act, the ministry has also decided to make it mandatory for all cosmetic companies to mention the ingredients used on the product before it is sold in the market, failing which the licence of the company will be revoked. Health minister Anbumani Ramadoss met FDA commissioner Lester M Crawford in Washington DC last month to understand the FDA mechanism before creating a body similar to it in India. DCAI will be responsible for..protecting public health by assuring the safety, efficacy and security of human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, the nations food supply, cosmetics and products that emit radiation. It will also be responsible for advancing public health by helping to speed up innovations that make medicines and foods more effective, safer and more affordable; and helping the public get accurate information about medicines and foods. Separate departments under DCAI will look into separate issues like licensing of drugs, safety of drugs, vaccines and medical equipment. In the 1970s, the Haathi committee had mooted the plan for a separate DCAI. RA Mashelkar, presently director-general of CSIR, had also recommended a similar authority three years ago. Keeping this in mind, the ministry is planning to ask Mashelkar himself to head a committee which will fine-tune the American FDA procedures in the Indian context. Confirming this to TOI, Ramadoss said: "No cosmetic or health product, promising immediate results, will be allowed to be advertised or sold before the company manufacturing it has scientifically proved the claim in front of DCAI. From November, all cosmetic products will have to have their ingredients mentioned on them. The regulatory mechanism will stop cosmetics and drugs from misleading people. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Assamese get-together
Thank you. It would have been nice if you all were really here and do hope to see you in one of these get-togethers in one of these days. Regards. -Alpana.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Assamese get-togetherDate: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:45:37 EDTAlpanaAfter going through your excellent report, my wife and I felt as if we werepresent in Orlondo ourselves with all of you participating in all thehighlighted events.ThanksBhuban ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Assamese get-together
You are right. I forgot to mention all that participated in the 'mukoli Bihu'. It was very nice to watch everyone having so much fun. I enjoy that very much watching that and stay put on wherever I am, just to see that..not that I am shy or anything. :) BTW,tumi kokaal bhonga-tu tumar Ram-daar pora xikibo paara (aaru maanuh nepala-ne?), kintu haat-or paak-ghuroni-tu pise tumarekebaare khaati paak dei, trade-mark kori lobo loga hoise, oine` nokol maariloi nijor buli kuwaraagote. It was reallygreat to see you all. We could not get away from the venue, just before we left the center we roamed around that hallway - in case somebody was still there, and sure enough, met quite a few people there again - passing by, who must have thought what we were doing there. :) From: Ganesh C Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Assamese get-togetherDate: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:41:53 -0700 (PDT)Dear Alpana Baideo,BTW, you forgot about Ram-da in the "performing crowd"or "performers from the crowd"!!!Alpana Baideo has nicely narrated the events inASSAM2005. It was really great to meet so manyAssamese for the first time! Besides the officialprogrammes, informal gatherings till late night addedmore flavor to ASSAM2005.Ganesh-Hi Everybody:We just got home from the great Assamese get-togetherat Orlando, Florida held at the beautiful and elegantsetting at Disney Coronado Springs resort, which weenjoyed thoroughly.Here are some of the highlights of the event (from mypoint of view as a member of the audience):There was no small-time politics and upstaging oneanother at all. Thus there was no tension and eachand everyone was having plain and simple fun. It wastruly a "community event" where the community was thefocus, as opposed to a convention which is consumed byitself.Even though there is only one Assamese family in theOrlando area, there are many out-of-town AssameseFloridians (and also from other states) who organizedor helped in this great event for the guests to havesome down to earth fun. It made us feel like it wastaken care of by 'local people' - we were totally "athome".Some from the crowd like, Ganesh Bora, Utpal Brahma,Partha Gogoi, Prakash Deka, Abani Sharma, JuktiKalita, Priyankoo Sharma, Jugal Kalita, Kamal Sharmaetc., made the event much more livelier by theirfrequent jokes and the use of their sense of humor atthe right times.Both professional artists (Elora Bora Singh and JitulSonowal) from Assam gave great performances asexpected. We had the experience of personally talkingand dining with them - never get this opportunity evenback home. The guest artists were not just greatperformers, but were also able to mix and mingle withus freely.Before going to Orlando, we had often heard of many ofthe names involved and thought they were larger thanlife, but were pleasantly surprised that none of themhad any airs about them.To add to this, we enjoyed and were extremely proud tobe able to enjoy the performances of great artistsfrom the US itself. To mention some are: Rabin Arundhotee Goswami, Abani Sarma and his granddaughterlittle Ranikiran, Priya Saikia, Anjana Bordoloi, UmeshTahbildar, Biraj Bhuyan, Chumki Gogoi, RuprekhaBhuyan, Lona Sarma, Leoni Borkakati, Preetha Kamath,Priya Saikia, Bihu - wonderfully danced by littleJahnabi Das, Rick Bhuyan, Nick Bhuyan, NikumaniBhuyan, Surabhi Kalita, Jukti Kalita, NilakshiThakuria, Jayanta Thakuria, Malabika Brahma, MoushumiChatterjee, Anuradha Deka, Please forgive me if Imissed any performer's name. MCs: Rick and NickBhuyan, Pari Saikia, Santanu and Moushumi Chatterjeekept the show moving at a good pace.Rabin Goswami's presentation was just mesmerizing. Hispersonality filled with humility and politeness won'tgive you a clue that he possesses a great voice andthe quality of a professional singer, unless and untilyou hear him singing.The food was just great. The host families went out ofthe way to provide the whole gathering with sumptuous,nutritious meals of a medley of American, Italian,Indian and Mexican (as opposed to the regular oilyIndian restaurant food) dishes. They even paidattention to the details where vegetarians like me hada wide choice - gestures like this reinforces thefeeling that each and everyone is welcome.Then there was this unique arrangement where guestswere taken by bus (a nice scenic drive) to a localIndian restaurant for a grand dinner. It was like funmixed with food.Before I forget, we also had the pleasure of viewing ashort film by Ms. Sanchayita Sharma, "The Passage",about a poor family and their life "amidst the crisisof insurgency". The film is bases on the award winningshort story by Dr. Indira Goswami.We also got to see Sanjoy Hazarika's A River's Story,the Quest for the Brahmaputra, directed by JahnuBarua. It depicted the everyday life of all the peopleof the countries th
[Assam] USA-Assamese get-together - 2005
Hello Everybody: I hope abig percentage of this forum is writing from thevenue at Orlando,Floridatoday. :) We are on our wayhope to see you all there tomorrow. For those of you who have not been able to decide what to do with this long weekend, how about hopping on a flight to Orlando. Money is no object (that does not mean that I will pay for it :), but it is just nice to say it). Seriously though this will be great opportunity not only to take the kids to Disney but also all of you can have the equal (if not more) seeing each other and enjoying all the 'naas-gaan'there. I think I am going to see many of you for the first time with whom I talk thru the net almost everyday. We are all excited about all the famous artists like Jitul Sonowal,Ms. Bora,etc., coming from Assam, and also about the local talents performing there. I alsohope to meet one of my celebrity relatives there for the first time. BTW, I am no spokesperson for the event. I am just expressing my thrill and excitement of having a great time there. So, be there! - A. Sarangapani Houston, Texas. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Congrats.
And we are too, Ganesh. Congratulations from us too. This calls for a celebration. Will see you all tomorrow. With best wishes, - Alpana Baideu. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Ganesh C Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Congrats.Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:23:18 -0500Hi Ganesh:Hearty congratulations on your being a finalist in the best graduate research project of the Am. Soc. of Agricultural Engineers of USA and Canada.It is a remarkable achievement, and we are very proud of you.Best,c-da___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Gauhati Medical College Hospital
Umesh-Ji: I would never blame the innocent and the helpless ones, at least I try not to. I was talking about the bigones only - the government for not providing a generator/invertor etc.,even to 'sorkari' hospitals and the doctors for keeping the patients on a limbo.well, what's new? And it isa 'dostur' in many offices - all over India - if you ask questions, that means "you talk too much". So just keep your mouth shut and let the "saviors" do what they need to do for you, (be it your life/body or your pension money, whatever!), butdothey? From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Gauhati Medical College HospitalDate: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:29:33 +0100 (BST)Alpana-ji,I think this particular situation of not telling pateinsts whether they could eat or not -- or mismanagement and lack of communication between the doctor and the nurse - rather than a deliberate attempt on the part of the nurse to avoid helping the patient. Maybe the nurse if afraid to ask the doctor and doctor does not know of the problem at all or is busy with something else - as was mentioned that electric supply was down --so the doctor might be busy dealing with that crisis.Umesh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:what about have a brain, if not a heart, and "do what you are supposed to do", instead of treating the patients like vegetables? From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Subject: Re: [Assam] Gauhati Medical College Hospital Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:04:33 +0100 (BST) these guys also need an education in Hospital Management - a new field which has recently emerged. Umesh "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sentinelassam.com/ read the whole story below, here are the highlights: "To make matters worse for the three patients, who were not allowed food since last midnight due to the impending surgeries, the hospital authorities would neither tell them as to why there was the inordinate delay in performing the surgeries nor let them return to their respective wards. As such the three poor souls, dogged as they were by their respective health problems (for which they were to be operated upon in the first place), had to go without either food or water from 9 a.m. when they were wheeled in to the operation threatre to 2 p.m. when they were finally informed by one of the doctors that the surgeries would have to be deferred as the OT lights as well as some other equipment failed to function. While two of the patients had no other option but to return to their hospital wards to be operated upon at a later date, the other patient, 55 year-old Kailash Sarma of Nalbari, decided to take leave of the GMCH and admit himself at a private nursing home in the city for the surgery." -- GMCH: Where patients fear to tread By a Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, June 27: That everything is not right at the Gauhati Medical College Hospital (GMCH) came to the light here today yet again when three patients who were scheduled to undergo surgeries had to be turned back as the lights and other equipment at one of the operations threatres (OTs) failed to function. To make matters worse for the three patients, who were not allowed food since last midnight due to the impending surgeries, the hospital authorities would neither tell them as to why there was the inordinate delay in performing the surgeries nor let them return to their respective wards. As such the three poor souls, dogged as they were by their respective health problems (for which they were to be operated upon in the first place), had to go without either food or water from 9 a.m. when they were wheeled in to the operation threatre to 2 p.m. when they were finally informed by one of the doctors that the surgeries would have to be deferred as the OT lights as well as some other equipment failed to function. While two of the patients had no other option but to return to their hospital wards to be operated upon at a later date, the other patient, 55 year-old Kailash Sarma of Nalbari, decided to take leave of the GMCH and admit himself at a private nursing home in the city for the surgery. Sarma, a school teacher, however, made sure that that the GMCH authorities gave it to him in writing as to why the surgery could not be performed today. As per his demand Dr HK Bhattacharjee, Assistant Professor in the Department of Surgery, GMCH, handed him a written undertaken wherein he said "due to insufficient light we cannot perform operation today." Be that as it may, the incident once again brings into focus the problems dogging the GMCH still regarded as one of the premier medical college and hospital of the North-east. W
Re: [Assam] Rural health service
Is ULFA's terror in someway responsible for doctors not willing to work in rural areas or take up positions of professorship? No way! people in rural areas lived without any treatment -due tolack of doctors or medicine in the government-run-dispensaries there, for ageslong before ULFA's birth. Money and glamor. ULFA can't be blamed for this one, for sure.From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Rural health serviceDate: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:18:47 +0100 (BST)Is ULFA's terror in someway responsible for doctors not willing to work in rural areas or take up positions of professorship?Umesh"There are 40 professors' and some 240 nurses' jobs vacant. And the Assam Medical College is about to be derecognised. Why not try to complete these gaps? There are rural health care units in the villages. Why not nake them work with adequate staff and medicinal stocks?"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes, today's Editorial does nothing more than echoes our own feelings.Many doctors in Assam, in spite of having a full-time job in rural areas, do private practice. I think they are afraid of competition from these half-baked doctors. As I said earlier I have experience in these matters. I mentioned that besides the so-called quacks, experienced pharmacists practise as doctors even in the urban areas of Assam not to speak of rural areas where conditions are worst.There are reasons for it and there is not room for detailed explanations just here.My suggestion was in the context of the deplorable condition of medical education in Assam.There are 40 professors' and some 240 nurses' jobs vacant. And the Assam Medical College is about to be derecognised. Why not try to complete these gaps? There are rural health care units in the villages. Why not nake them work with adequate staff and medicinal stocks?In UK there is a proposal to expand the ambulance services in order to treat patients at home thereby easing pressures at the outpatient departments and cutting down patients' waiting time. Ambulance staff besides having first-aiders have already a higher cadre capable of looking after serius cases like those of cardiac patients. It is also in the pipeline to entrust nurses and pharmacist with more funtions of health care.So basically the idea of licentiate medical practitioners is not a bad one. What is bad is the lack of proper attitude which a humanitarian service demands. Why should peoiple refuse to work in the villages? Why should our villages be no go areas? If it is not good for an MBBS, why should it be better for a LMP? Why should village dispensaries be reduced to cow-sheds? Doctors should be provided with proper accommodation both for residence and his work and of course an adequate remuneration.As I understand avenues for advancement in the medical services do exist.My point was get the best out of the existing resources before undertaking further schemes.Bhuban___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam-Save time, find those important emails with search capabilities for scanning your inbox and folders. Get Yahoo! Mail___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re:[Assam]BPO data theft in IndiaMaster Card USA
I will have to call a priest or go tothe temple and do'porasit' if you apologize to me like that. I just did not want you to have a wrong impression on me. Regards. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re:[Assam]BPO data theft in IndiaMaster Card USADate: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:15:57 EDTAlpanaI am sorry I didn't relate your reference to funny accent in the callcentres in the right context.Bhuban ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] Gauhati Medical College Hospital
http://www.sentinelassam.com/read the whole story below, here are the highlights: "To make matters worse for the three patients, who were not allowed food since last midnight due to the impending surgeries, the hospital authorities would neither tell them as to why there was the inordinate delay in performing the surgeries nor let them return to their respective wards. As such the three poor souls, dogged as they were by their respective health problems (for which they were to be operated upon in the first place), had to go without either food or water from 9 a.m. when they were wheeled in to the operation threatre to 2 p.m. when they were finally informed by one of the doctors that the surgeries would have to be deferred as the OT lights as well as some other equipment failed to function. While two of the patients had no other option but to return to their hospital wards to be operated upon at a later date, the other patient, 55 year-old Kailash Sarma of Nalbari, decided to take leave of the GMCH and admit himself at a private nursing home in the city for the surgery." -- GMCH: Where patients fear to tread By a Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, June 27: That everything is not right at the Gauhati Medical College Hospital (GMCH) came to the light here today yet again when three patients who were scheduled to undergo surgeries had to be turned back as the lights and other equipment at one of the operations threatres (OTs) failed to function. To make matters worse for the three patients, who were not allowed food since last midnight due to the impending surgeries, the hospital authorities would neither tell them as to why there was the inordinate delay in performing the surgeries nor let them return to their respective wards. As such the three poor souls, dogged as they were by their respective health problems (for which they were to be operated upon in the first place), had to go without either food or water from 9 a.m. when they were wheeled in to the operation threatre to 2 p.m. when they were finally informed by one of the doctors that the surgeries would have to be deferred as the OT lights as well as some other equipment failed to function. While two of the patients had no other option but to return to their hospital wards to be operated upon at a later date, the other patient, 55 year-old Kailash Sarma of Nalbari, decided to take leave of the GMCH and admit himself at a private nursing home in the city for the surgery. Sarma, a school teacher, however, made sure that that the GMCH authorities gave it to him in writing as to why the surgery could not be performed today. As per his demand Dr HK Bhattacharjee, Assistant Professor in the Department of Surgery, GMCH, handed him a written undertaken wherein he said "due to insufficient light we cannot perform operation today." Be that as it may, the incident once again brings into focus the problems dogging the GMCH still regarded as one of the premier medical college and hospital of the North-east. When contacted by this reporter, GMCH superintendent Dr PK Ozah admitted that one of the 13 OTs at the hospital was in the need of urgent repairs and maintenance and things would be set right soon. What he obviously failed to mention is that this particular OT has been playing traunt for a long time now and nothing has been done by the hospital authorities to set it right. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Gauhati Medical College Hospital
what about have a brain, if not a heart, and "do what you are supposed to do", instead of treating the patients like vegetables? From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Gauhati Medical College HospitalDate: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:04:33 +0100 (BST)these guys also need an education in Hospital Management - a new field which has recently emerged.Umesh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:http://www.sentinelassam.com/ read the whole story below, here are the highlights:"To make matters worse for the three patients, who were not allowed food since last midnight due to the impending surgeries, the hospital authorities would neither tell them as to why there was the inordinate delay in performing the surgeries nor let them return to their respective wards.As such the three poor souls, dogged as they were by their respective health problems (for which they were to be operated upon in the first place), had to go without either food or water from 9 a.m. when they were wheeled in to the operation threatre to 2 p.m. when they were finally informed by one of the doctors that the surgeries would have to be deferred as the OT lights as well as some other equipment failed to function.While two of the patients had no other option but to return to their hospital wards to be operated upon at a later date, the other patient, 55 year-old Kailash Sarma of Nalbari, decided to take leave of the GMCH and admit himself at a private nursing home in the city for the surgery."--GMCH: Where patients fear to treadBy a Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, June 27: That everything is not right at the Gauhati Medical College Hospital (GMCH) came to the light here today yet again when three patients who were scheduled to undergo surgeries had to be turned back as the lights and other equipment at one of the operations threatres (OTs) failed to function.To make matters worse for the three patients, who were not allowed food since last midnight due to the impending surgeries, the hospital authorities would neither tell them as to why there was the inordinate delay in performing the surgeries nor let them return to their respective wards.As such the three poor souls, dogged as they were by their respective health problems (for which they were to be operated upon in the first place), had to go without either food or water from 9 a.m. when they were wheeled in to the operation threatre to 2 p.m. when they were finally informed by one of the doctors that the surgeries would have to be deferred as the OT lights as well as some other equipment failed to function.While two of the patients had no other option but to return to their hospital wards to be operated upon at a later date, the other patient, 55 year-old Kailash Sarma of Nalbari, decided to take leave of the GMCH and admit himself at a private nursing home in the city for the surgery.Sarma, a school teacher, however, made sure that that the GMCH authorities gave it to him in writing as to why the surgery could not be performed today. As per his demand Dr HK Bhattacharjee, Assistant Professor in the Department of Surgery, GMCH, handed him a written undertaken wherein he said "due to insufficient light we cannot perform operation today."Be that as it may, the incident once again brings into focus the problems dogging the GMCH still regarded as one of the premier medical college and hospital of the North-east.When contacted by this reporter, GMCH superintendent Dr PK Ozah admitted that one of the 13 OTs at the hospital was in the need of urgent repairs and maintenance and things would be set right soon.What he obviously failed to mention is that this particular OT has been playing traunt for a long time now and nothing has been done by the hospital authorities to set it right.___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam-How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: RE: [Assam] A question
It is very true and good observation - how anAssamese usuallywould reply. Humility is one of the greatest virtues that we have - not all of us though - I must say. I guess we have changed :)- am not sure for the better or worse, but it sure does depend on the situation. Actually, as I mentioned once earlier (to Umesh-ji, in reference to behavior at work, if i remember correctly),at some work place,a remark like this (about how the guy looked with a particular tie and a shirt) that came from a female to a male employee was considered 'sexual harrassment'. I thought other nettersmight like to comment some more so added the address of Assam net here. From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B.Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: RE: [Assam] A questionDate: 26 Jun 2005 17:11:23 -HiThanks for your replies. I am actually a bit surprised by the replies. What I do if somebody compliments me is I just try to negate it. E.g. if somebody tells me " Priyankoo, you really sing well" . My answer to that will be "E..nohoy, eneye olop gao aru"In case of dresses what I have observed is that people like my mom would return the compliment on dress by saying "e..purona kaporjor..."What I am trying to say is that in Assamese society (at least the part I know) it is not a custom to accept compliments...people try to me modest/humble by saying that "it is not so". What do you think about that?And I am really not sure about saying "dhonyobad", because I think we do not use the phrase "dhonyobad" as much as Americans do. I think here in the US if somebody compliments me I will say "Thanks," but in Assamese society I will never say "dhonyobad". I will rather say "jano!!"I am trying to see how politeness strategies work in Assamese.Thanks a lotPriyankooDex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari...The most important thing in life is never to forget who you are...http://www.plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] 'Swayamvar' is back
http://www.assamtribune.com/jun2705/at05.html Guwahati, Monday, June 27, 2005 Swayamvar for Assamese brides, grooms in DelhiFrom Our Staff CorrespondentNEW DELHI, June 26 In a unique exercise of its kind, a swayamvar organised as a match-making exercise today came as a boon for prospective Assamese brides and grooms here. At least 35 young brides and grooms registered themselves here at a swayamvar organised jointly by timesmatri.com, Assam Association and Uruli, an Assamese womens organisation, at Delhi Karnataka Sangha.The event came as boon for young professionals, anxious parents waiting for a match for their ward. Away from the hustle and bustle of city life and stressed out life, the swayamvar presented a perfect opportunity to prospective brides and grooms to size up their life partners without any hang-ups.On this occasion too, the prospective brides overtook the grooms as they scanned for grooms from among the assembled gathering. The girls were very clear-headed and bold and were sure about what they were looking for in their future husbands, surprising many of us, commented general secretary of Assam Association, Manoj Das.The event was organised with an aim to offer a unique opportunity to meet prospective brides and grooms and their families under one roof. The participants were required to register themselves with their complete profile at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The profiles of the brides and grooms would be regularly updated, said Das.The office-bearers of the Assam Association interviewed those who registered themselves. Waiting in the wings were keen-eyed parents looking for a perfect catch. Earlier, inaugurating the event, Jnanpith laureate, Dr Mamoni Raisom Goswami lauded the initiative suggesting that such events should be organised more often. There is a need to organise such event even in Assam, she said. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: RE: [Assam] A question
It is not that bad, Umesh-ji. :) We exchange compliments at work almosteveryday. Again it depends on a situaiton.It is jsut that after learning aboutafewincidents while attending some of those "civil rights" kind of seminars, some of us have become a bit conscious. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: RE: [Assam] A questionDate: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:16:06 +0100 (BST)Alpanaji,I could not decipher the Assamese comment - but I am grateful for your observations on behavior at work in USA. I think that is why people go on dates or organize dinner parties etc - so that they can start complimenting each other - in a non work environment.Umesh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It is very true and good observation - how an Assamese usually would reply. Humility is one of the greatest virtues that we have - not all of us though - I must say.I guess we have changed :) - am not sure for the better or worse, but it sure does depend on the situation.Actually, as I mentioned once earlier (to Umesh-ji, in reference to behavior at work, if i remember correctly), at some work place, a remark like this (about how the guy looked with a particular tie and a shirt) that came from a female to a male employee was considered 'sexual harrassment'.I thought other netters might like to comment some more so added the address of Assam net here. From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Alpana B.Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: [Assam] A question Date: 26 Jun 2005 17:11:23 - Hi Thanks for your replies. I am actually a bit surprised by the replies. What I do if somebody compliments me is I just try to negate it. E.g. if somebody tells me " Priyankoo, you really sing well" . My answer to that will be "E..nohoy, eneye olop gao aru" In case of dresses what I have observed is that people like my mom would return the compliment on dress by saying "e..purona kaporjor..." What I am trying to say is that in Assamese society (at least the part I know) it is not a custom to accept compliments...people try to me modest/humble by saying that "it is not so". What do you think about that? And I am really not sure about saying "dhonyobad", because I think we do not use the phrase "dhonyobad" as much as Americans do. I think here in the US if somebody compliments me I will say "Thanks," but in Assamese society I will never say "dhonyobad". I will rather say "jano!!" I am trying to see how politeness strategies work in Assamese. Thanks a lot Priyankoo Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari... The most important thing in life is never to forget who you are... http://www.plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam-Does your mail provider give you access to messages sent to other POP email accounts, like your work account? Get Yahoo! Mail ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] PARAMEDICS TO TREAT RURAL POOR IN THE STATE
Is the other alternative to make it mandatory that all doctors serve for at least a yearin rural areas? The doctors (and the "big ones" there)also need to learn that although it is a common practice to give antibiotics to people with a persistent cold/cough etc., they need to look at the general health of the patients too - not just 'mukhostho maati' prescribe some stupid strong medicine that may kill the person. I have many questions and a fewstories to tell and one of these day I will do just that...am thoroughly fed up with the greed, indifference, ignorance, attitude and the behavior of some professionals there. The stupid ego must go.From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] PARAMEDICS TO TREAT RURAL POOR IN THE STATEDate: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:09 +0100 (BST)The govt seems to be full of fools!!Umesh[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The first headline in todayâs Assam Tribune is: Paramedics to treat rural poor in the State. Other newspapers also have carried this news focusing on its significance in some detail. The headline is enough to give us an idea how we are dealing with the matter of health involving the majority of our citizens who cannot afford to live in urban areas where a little better medical care is available.This is a wide subject, I touch the salient points only. I feel confident to speak about it as I myself have a diploma in preventive medicine and had been a paramedic for about four years working in remote places of Assam. Whenever I go to Assam, if an opportunity arises I try to gather a little information about the present condition of rural health in Assam. There have been vast changes during the last forty years or so, but I'm not sure whether if it is any better.Chief Minister or for that matter Ministers bearing the portfolio of Health Medicine as well as other knowledgeable people on the subject certainly know what they are doing. I wonder, though!Another news reads that the closure of the Assam Medical College is a certainty. The college has 48 professorsâ and 254 nursesâ posts vacant. And I have reason to believe that the Medical Council of India intends derecognising the AMC not on this score alone. The MCI has already derecognised the paramedic colleges of Chattisgorh, Jharkhand and West Bengal.. Why should the Assam Government repeat the same mistake by proposing to open an institution ostensibly for producing quacks? And quacks they would be I can assure you. I myself was one at one time, isnât it?A few years ago I had discussions with a Joint Director of Health working in upper Assam. He told me besides lack of staff, the dispensaries were run without basic drugs and other requirements. The senior officers no longer went on inspection as there were no funds for travelling.A Consultant from UK visiting Guwahati told me in private that the NRAs should not participate in building private hospitals in Assam as the money invested in this way was more likely to be squandered. And he was a man, not only capable of helping in that direction but he actually wanted to do something.About a year back I read a glowing account of the sports complex that was going to be built in time for the National Games of India scheduled to be held at Guwahati in not too distant a future. The author wrote well: impressively and optimistically. Now, the Chief Minister was telling us the other day that the National Games were not to take place in Assam.What prevents you managing the existing medical colleges and hospitals properly instead of taking up grandiose projects of questionable merit?I think I know the answer but I want it to hear from you.Bhuban___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam-How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 1GB!Get Yahoo! Mail___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Everest : Women on top - this one
I read somewhere the other day that a couple (from India or Nepal) got married on top of Mt. Everest. Or was it a dream?From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Everest : Women on top - this oneDate: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:12:59 +0100 (BST)http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1150902.cms-Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] BPO data theft in India
there goes the call centers in india down people are already so irritated hereabout it - that "foreigners with a funny accent" are handling their accounts, and now this? I was depressed seeing this on tv last night. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] BPO data theft in IndiaDate: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:19:35 +0100 (BST)http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=94780-Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] A question
O' bhaal dekhisa? Moyu dekhisu jaanane`? Dhonyobaad dei! pise muk kene dekhisa dhuniya mekhela-saador juror logot? :-) From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] A questionDate: 25 Jun 2005 05:02:47 -I have a question for you all and I will really appreciate it if you can respond to it.My question is if somebody compliments on your dress in your language what will be your instinctive response (in your language)?For example:In Assamese: "Mekhela-zor/shirt-to bor dhuniya lagise dei."Then how would you reply to that?I will be also interested to hear about that from people speaking other languages than Assamese too.Thanks a lotPriyankooDex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari...The most important thing in life is never to forget who you are...http://www.plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] A question
Thank you, I just had to have it - it's my favorite color. now the question is: is it my color or not! :) From: "priyankoo sarma" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: priyankoo sarma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] A questionDate: 25 Jun 2005 05:02:47 -I have a question for you all and I will really appreciate it if you can respond to it.My question is if somebody compliments on your dress in your language what will be your instinctive response (in your language)?For example:In Assamese: "Mekhela-zor/shirt-to bor dhuniya lagise dei."Then how would you reply to that?I will be also interested to hear about that from people speaking other languages than Assamese too.Thanks a lotPriyankooDex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari...The most important thing in life is never to forget who you are...http://www.plaza.ufl.edu/priyanku___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Video from A1 Bollywood Music - SmasHits from India !
could not see the video clip - it just won't load into my computer. what was it? I think a longer part of the movie was about the naxals ofwest bengal. One of the actors did mention about themilitants' cutting one's ear and presenting it tothe girlfriends. I don't remember seeing much of Manipur either - but the impression given about the ethnic people(through talking amongst themselves) was wrong, I agree. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Video from A1 Bollywood Music - SmasHits from India !Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:39:12 -0400___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Title: A1 Bollywood Music - SmasHits from India Content-type: text/html Dear ASSAMNET, Your friend UMESH thinks that you would be interested in the video Scene 2. UMESH's message: "a clip from Tango Charlie -about militant attacks in NE and national media apathy" Click below to visit A1 Bollywood Music - SmasHits from India and find out more about Scene 2. http://ww.smashits.com/redirect.cfm?ID=12=6260 From Music to Airline Tickets, find whatever you need only on A1 Bollywood Music - SmasHits from India http://ww.smashits.com/ "Look at what Winfreestuff.com is giving away now - your choice of a new Mercedes SLK 230, a Lexus RX300, BMW Z3, or $30,000 in CASH! Whatever your driving pleasure is, whether it's driving a fancy convertible sports car or a luxurious SUV, Winfreestuff is giving it away. Nee some extra CASH to pay off bills or to take a vacation? How does $30,000 sound to you? Enter today! Get Blue, the first Card designed for the 21st Century, with a 0% Introductory APR, no annual fee, a built-in Smart Chip for Internet security, plus CoolBlueOffers, BlueLoot (sm) and more. Get approved instantly ! Copyright 1999-2002 SmasHits.com. All Rights Reserved. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] With a Speakers' Corner, Indian military gun positioned to bulletspeakers dead?
The government intends to spend Rs 25 crore in creating an artificial lake for water sports, a park and a Hall of Fame, all of which will be spread across a 24-bigha plot just opposite the state zoo on R.G. Baruah Road. The office of the soil conservation department stands at the site chosen for the project. Do they need money (Rs. 25 crores)to create an artifical lake in Guwahati?I thought a little rain could create many artifical lakes (why just one?)there in a few hours, FOR FREE! All they need is to continue not taking care of the drainage problem all over the city and get these artificial lakes for free! Won't it be like "Bahire` rong-song bhitore` Kuwa-Bhaturi'" as usual in the winter? In summer, of course you would smell the 'kuwa-bhaturi' from any place in the city. From: "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] With a Speakers' Corner, Indian military gun positioned to bulletspeakers dead?Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:15:56 +___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed Slice of London in Guwahati - Hyde Park model for biggest childrens recreation centre http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050621/asp/northeast/story_4892981.asp Guwahati, June 20: Disneyland is still a distant dream, but Londons Hyde Park is not. Assam chief minister Tarun Gogoi yesterday unveiled plans to create the states biggest recreation-cum-educational centre for children a project modelled on Hyde Park in the heart of Guwahati. The government intends to spend Rs 25 crore in creating an artificial lake for water sports, a park and a Hall of Fame, all of which will be spread across a 24-bigha plot just opposite the state zoo on R.G. Baruah Road. The office of the soil conservation department stands at the site chosen for the project. Gogoi announced the mega project during a function at the freedom fighters resthouse. He said the proposed hall of fame was a unique concept that would make the project more than a mere recreation centre. Our younger generation has forgotten the heroes of yore. The Hall of Fame is being built to enable children to draw inspiration from these towering personalities. The public works and soil conservation departments have compiled a detailed project report, complete with computer-generated images of how the park will look like once it is completed. The report will be submitted to the chief ministers office next week. The chief minister has instructed us to start work on the project immediately and assured that money will not be a problem, said J. Malakar, divisional officer of the South Bank division of the soil conservation department. Kamrup (metropolitan) deputy commissioner Samir Kumar Sinha said the idea was to create a circuit of tourist attractions that are close to one another. People who come to the state zoo can also visit the proposed recreation centre. The Sankardev Kalakshetra is not far either. Minister of state for planning and development Himanta Biswa Sarma and B.K. Gohain, commissioner and secretary to the chief minister, have already inspected the site. FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] India to have mother of all malls
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1148973.cms India to have mother of all mallsPRABHAKAR SINHATIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 2005 12:29:22 AM ] NEW DELHI: Gurgaon is set to get the mother of all malls a humungous 40-lakh sq ft sprawling property that is being touted by its developer DLF Universal as the biggest mall of the world. The average size of malls here is 2.5 lakh sq ft; this will be 16 times bigger. The mall - christened Mall of India - will be spread over 32 acres and will have parking space for 10,000 cars. These ambitious plans have been drawn up at a time when footfalls are down at Gurgaon malls and rental rates have virtually halved. But DLF is unfazed. It says Gurgaon with so many malls will soon develop as a mega shopping district in the NCR region. What's the basis of the claim that this will be the biggest in the world? DLF spokerperson Kajal Aijaz said the biggest now is Mall of America in Minneapolis which has a covered area of 38 lakh sq ft, followed by a mall in Shanghai which is 30 lakh sq ft. Mall of India would be bigger than these, she said. The DLF mall located on the Delhi-Jaipur highway has been designed by Jerde Partnership which also designed the mega malls in Minneapolis and Shanghai. Its construction work is expected to be over by 2007. The costs are not known but property consultants said it could be in the region of Rs 1,500 crore. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] a $4 piece of advice - US Jails and AIDS -haircut
I agreed with you on that already, Umesh-ji. It is "A" cause, thoughnot a primary one. here is another site with stats. about AIDS for interested readers: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/PUBS/Facts/At-A-Glance.htm From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: RE: [Assam] a $4 piece of advice - US Jails and AIDS -haircutDate: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 05:50:38 +0100 (BST)Alpanaji,I just did a Google search and found that Kiran Bedi was actually accused of stopping the supply of condoms in Jails . She was accused by the international Gay lobby it seems.Whatever the case may be - but it proves that Gays are active in prisons in India or/and USA--and the Nigerian seems to have hit the nail on our heads --that this is a potent way of spread of AIDS.Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Alpanaji,What he was saying that in USA (and in India too) long term prisoners contract AIDS while inside prison. in India the first female Inspector General of Prisons - Kiran Bedi had condoms distributed in prisons -with great controversy -and teh same thing this guy was asaying about doing in USA jails.Umesh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Umesh-ji: That is a good cause - to do something for the homeless.My attention skipped that and went to the part where people get affected by AIDS - after coming out from the prison, which is probably very much a real life scenario. But acquiring AIDS from prisons, I think is not the primary cause of the spread of the disease.And yes, there is a great need of help for AIDS patients in the underdeveloped/developed countries and many suggest the funding for AIDA research needs to be increased. Thank you for the weblinks - though I have studied a lot about in my courses at Harvard and attened seminars and talks by NGOs working in Africa with AIDS affected kids. Might be useful for other netters also though.You are welcome. I support the idea that they "Might be useful for other netters also though.", may be somebody here is waiting to donate his/her money or time to volunteer and help AIDS affected children, or else I would have sent you a private mail. :-)I am glad to know that you have been able to study a lot about these at Harvard. My intention for posting the sites was triggered by your rather naivety in donating to a cause which may or may not reach the people actually affected.Though your heart was in the right place, I was under the impression that you were taken for a ride by your observation "He had mentioned some phrrases about AIDS and jails that prompted me to pay (which he gladly accepted)."BTW, I think I have a touch of Alzheimer's already (have been having it for the last 20 years) and keep forgetting that you have attended Harvard, and that you have had the opportunity to attend various seminars and symposia there. :-) From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Subject: RE: [Assam] a $4 piece of advice - US Jails and AIDS -haircut Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:43:19 +0100 (BST) Alpana-ji, He mentioned that some organization had organization had organized a walk in Boston arae on behalf of the homeless --and it seems they would organize something --more like some advocay for making changs in govt policy. Thank you for the weblinks - though I have studied a lot about in my courses at Harvard and attened seminars and talks by NGOs working in Africa with AIDS affected kids. Might be useful for other netters also though. Umesh "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh-ji: That is very generous of you. I was just wondering how collecting money for that would be used - to cut down on crimes or on reforming the prison system? A few months ago people were asked here if some of those orphaned children that came to study etc. here could be adopted. Here are some information sites that shows how children, who not only are HIV/AIDS affected but also have lost their parents to AIDS in many countries in Africa. "There is an AIDS epidemic engulfing much of Africa. In some countries of Africa it is estimated 40% of the working-age population has contracted HIV, with younger and more successful workers being most likely to be affected. The worst affected countries include Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Lesotho. There is an AIDS epidemic engulfing much of Africa. In some countries of Africa it is estimated 40% of the working-age population has contracted HIV, with younger and more successful workers being most likely to be affected. The worst affected countries include Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Lesotho. " http://aids-children.org/ http://aids-children.org/links.htm http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/sos-children-charity/children-aids-africa.htm Just thought you would be interested. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Subjec
RE: [Assam] Harvard MBA Newsletter: Creating a Positive Professional Image
Umesh-ji: thanks for sending the good info., especially the book reports. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Harvard MBA Newsletter: Creating a Positive Professional ImageDate: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:50:21 +0100 (BST)some useful info for all working guys and gals.UmeshHBS Working Knowledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:29:44 -0400 (EDT)From: HBS Working Knowledge [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Newsletter: Creating a Positive Professional ImageHIGHLIGHTS THIS WEEKCreating a Positive Professional ImageHR's New Mandate: Be a Strategic PlayerHurricane Season in the ColoniesReaders respond: Is a "Level Playing Field" a Good Thing?Plus: Book and Web reportsNEW ON THE SITECreating a Positive Professional Imagehttp://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4860t=career_effectivenessIn today's diverse workplace, your actions and motives are constantly under scrutiny. Time to manage your own professional image before others do it for you. An interview with professor Laura Morgan Roberts.HR's New Mandate: Be a Strategic Playerhttp://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4861t=strategyWe know what HR does, but what does it deliver? In this excerpt from the new book The HR Value Proposition, two experts contend that the HR function is poised for powerful strategic advantage.Hurricane Season in the Colonieshttp://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4862t=bizhistoryHurricanes were all but unknown to the just-arriving British Greater Caribbean colonists in the seventeenth century. They would quickly find out how much damage a Big Blower could do to their farms. From Business History Review.Readers respond: Is a "Level Playing Field" a Good Thing?http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4855t=heskettoid=4836rid=4855hid=-1aid=-1There is a lot of talk these days about a level playing field, sparked in part by Thomas L. Friedman's bestseller, The World is Flat. But what is a level playing field in the world today, and does everyone play by the same rules? Readers respond.BAKER LIBRARY SUMMARIESBOOK REPORTSThe World Is Flat: A Brief History of the Twenty-First Centuryby Thomas L. FriedmanFarrar, Straus and Giroux, 2005http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/book-review.jhtml?t=globalizationid=4863The thrills and dangers of a faster, flatter world.Ponzi's Scheme: The True Story of a Financial Legendby Mitchell ZuckoffRandom House, 2005http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/book-review.jhtml?t=bizhistoryid=4864Charles Ponzi: The man behind the scam.The New Masters of Capital: American Bond Rating Agencies and the Politics of Creditworthinessby Timothy J. SinclairCornell University Press, 2005http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/book-review.jhtml?t=financeid=4865Behind the ratings.ON THE WEBBlogPulsehttp://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/web-review.jhtml?id=4859t=marketingWhat the blogosphere is saying about your product.MOST POPULAR STORIESWhat an Executive Coach Can Do for Youhttp://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4853t=career_effectiveness From Turf Wars to Learning Curves: How Hospitals Adopt New Technologyhttp://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4851t=technologyMicrosoft vs. Open Source: Who Will Win?http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4834t=technologyRescuing Products with Stealth Positioninghttp://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4852t=marketingDon't Listen to "Yes"http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4833t=leadershipNEW RESEARCH AT HBShttp://hbswk.hbs.edu/new-research.jhtmlA listing of the latest research papers, publications, and cases written by Harvard Business School faculty.BEST OF FACULTY QAsIt's India Above China in New World Orderhttp://hbswk.hbs.edu/facultyQAs.jhtml?t=facultyQAsCan India overtake China? That was the title of an influential article in Foreign Policy magazine in 2003. A QA with authors Yasheng Huang of MIT and Tarun Khanna of HBS.ELSEWHERE AT HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOLConsumer Marketing StrategyHBS Executive Education programhttp://www.exed.hbs.edu/redirects/cmswk/index.htmlJune 26-30, 2005Finance for Senior ExecutivesHBS Executive Education programhttp://www.exed.hbs.edu/redirects/fsewk/index.htmlJuly 10-16, 2005Leading Product DevelopmentHBS Executive Education programhttp://www.exed.hbs.edu/redirects/lpdwk/index.htmlJuly 11-15, 2005Making Corporate Boards More EffectiveHBS Executive Education programhttp://www.exed.hbs.edu/redirects/mcbwk/index.htmlJuly 17-20, 2005Delivering Information ServicesHBS Executive Education programhttp://www.exed.hbs.edu/redirects/diswk/index.htmlJuly 24-30, 2005Building Competitive Advantage Through OperationsHBS Executive Education programhttp://www.exed.hbs.edu/redirects/bcaowk/index.htmlJuly 31-August 5, 2005Burning Questions: The Return to GrowthHarvard Business School Publishing Conferenceshttp://www.burningquestions.comOctober 5-7, 2005==ABOUT
RE: [Assam] a $4 piece of advice - US Jails and AIDS -haircut
Umesh-ji: That is a good cause - to do something for the homeless. My attention skipped that andwent to the part where people get affected by AIDS - after coming out from the prison, which is probablyvery much a real life scenario. But acquiring AIDS from prisons, I think is not the primary cause of the spread of the disease. And yes, there is a great need of help for AIDS patients in the underdeveloped/developed countries and many suggest the funding for AIDA research needs to be increased. Thank you for the weblinks - though I have studied a lot about in my courses at Harvard and attened seminars and talks by NGOs working in Africa with AIDS affected kids. Might be useful for other netters also though. You are welcome. I support the idea thatthey "Might be useful for other netters also though.", may be somebody here is waiting to donate his/her money or time to volunteer and help AIDS affected children, or else I would have sent you a private mail. :-) I am glad to know that you have been able to study a lot about these at Harvard. My intention for posting the sites was triggered by your rather naivety in donating to a cause which may or may not reach the people actually affected. Though your heart was in the right place, I was under the impression that you were taken for a ride by your observation "He had mentioned some phrrases about AIDS and jails that prompted me to pay (which he gladly accepted)." BTW, I think I have a touch of Alzheimer's already (have been having it for the last 20 years) and keep forgetting that youhave attendedHarvard, and that you have had the opportunity to attend various seminars and symposia there. :-) From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: RE: [Assam] a $4 piece of advice - US Jails and AIDS -haircutDate: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:43:19 +0100 (BST)Alpana-ji,He mentioned that some organization had organization had organized a walk in Boston arae on behalf of the homeless --and it seems they would organize something --more like some advocay for making changs in govt policy.Thank you for the weblinks - though I have studied a lot about in my courses at Harvard and attened seminars and talks by NGOs working in Africa with AIDS affected kids. Might be useful for other netters also though.Umesh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Umesh-ji: That is very generous of you.I was just wondering how collecting money for that would be used - to cut down on crimes or on reforming the prison system?A few months ago people were asked here if some of those orphaned children that came to study etc. here could be adopted.Here are some information sites that shows how children, who not only are HIV/AIDS affected but also have lost their parents to AIDS in many countries in Africa."There is an AIDS epidemic engulfing much of Africa. In some countries of Africa it is estimated 40% of the working-age population has contracted HIV, with younger and more successful workers being most likely to be affected. The worst affected countries include Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Lesotho. There is an AIDS epidemic engulfing much of Africa. In some countries of Africa it is estimated 40% of the working-age population has contracted HIV, with younger and more successful workers being most likely to be affected. The worst affected countries include Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Lesotho. "http://aids-children.org/http://aids-children.org/links.htmhttp://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/sos-children-charity/children-aids-africa.htmJust thought you would be interested. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Subject: [Assam] a $4 piece of advice - US Jails and AIDS -haircut Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:07:10 +0100 (BST) Hi, Today I paid $4 (the only amount in my pcoket then) to a Nigerian who was collecting on behalf of Homeless people in USA. He had mentioned some phrrases about AIDS and jails that prompted me to pay (which he gladly accepted). I aksed him to repeat what he said about AIDS and jails --and he mentioned that though nobody talks about it here - but ALL those who remain in jail fro more than 5 years --come out carrying AIDS - and 90% of them are Blacks. He said that he did not know how they neded up like this --but he himself was trying to keep out of jail!!! (if only for this reason) He did identify me as an Indian but said that I did not look like one -maybe becos I had then just emerged from a haircut in a Black saloon -where only hairstyles for curly hair were on display. He cut my hair in a very different style. He turned my face away from the mirror and brought up the electric machine (instead of the scissors normally used here also) and ploughed right in. Other guys were geeting their hair cut upto only a few millimeter long and same length everywhere. He never used any scissors. Even tapered my mustache into a t
RE: [Assam] a $4 piece of advice - US Jails and AIDS -haircut
Umesh-ji: That is very generous of you. I was just wondering how collecting money for that would be used - to cut down on crimes or on reforming the prison system? A few months ago people were asked hereifsome of those orphaned children that came to study etc. here could be adopted. Here are some information sites thatshows howchildren, who not only are HIV/AIDS affected but also have lost their parents to AIDS in many countries in Africa. "There is an AIDS epidemic engulfing much of Africa. In some countries of Africa it is estimated 40% of the working-age population has contracted HIV, with younger and more successful workers being most likely to be affected. The worst affected countries include Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Lesotho. There is an AIDS epidemic engulfing much of Africa. In some countries of Africa it is estimated 40% of the working-age population has contracted HIV, with younger and more successful workers being most likely to be affected. The worst affected countries include Swaziland, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Lesotho. " http://aids-children.org/ http://aids-children.org/links.htm http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/sos-children-charity/children-aids-africa.htm Just thought you would be interested.From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] a $4 piece of advice - US Jails and AIDS -haircutDate: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:07:10 +0100 (BST)Hi,Today I paid $4 (the only amount in my pcoket then) to a Nigerian who was collecting on behalf of Homeless people in USA. He had mentioned some phrrases about AIDS and jails that prompted me to pay (which he gladly accepted).I aksed him to repeat what he said about AIDS and jails --and he mentioned that though nobody talks about it here - but ALL those who remain in jail fro more than 5 years --come out carrying AIDS - and 90% of them are Blacks. He said that he did not know how they neded up like this --but he himself was trying to keep out of jail!!! (if only for this reason)He did identify me as an Indian but said that I did not look like one -maybe becos I had then just emerged from a haircut in a Black saloon -where only hairstyles for curly hair were on display. He cut my hair in a very different style. He turned my face away from the mirror and brought up the electric machine (instead of the scissors normally used here also) and ploughed right in. Other guys were geeting their hair cut upto only a few millimeter long and same length everywhere. He never used any scissors. Even tapered my mustache into a thin drooping one.The Nigerian had been to Delhi where his father worked in the Nigerian emabassy.Umesh-Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Ms. Goswami, where is the RUSTY SWORD? You better have it ready!
How didthe swordget rusted? It wasn't sitting idle! From: "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Ms. Goswami, where is the RUSTY SWORD? You better have it ready! Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:07:00 +___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed Goswami barb at Governor http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=2theme=usrsess=1id=80388 NEW DELHI, June 18.? Terming as ?irresponsible? Assam Governor Mr Ajay Singh?s opposition to the release of Ulfa leaders, noted Assamese litterateur Indira Goswami today said such a stand might derail the entire peace initiative. ?I am extremely unhappy with his comments. We had worked very hard for the last one year to create an environment for talks. The comments made by the Governor may seriously derail the entire peace initiative,? Goswami, who has been mediating between the Centre and the banned outfit, said here. Ulfa militants and police exchanged gunfire tonight in Assam?s Sibsagar district while four powerful IEDs and two bags full of explosives were recovered from the site, the police said. The police said a 15-member Ulfa team were on an extortion drive at Naojan village in Dishangmukh when police spotted them. PTI Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Correspondent, why avoid asking , No peace without Sovereignty restored?
Hi C'da: Aapunarsiro-porisito aao-paak loguwa kotha-khini porhi robo nuwarilu aaru. :) So you don't support MRG really, because she has insisted with the GoI that they OUGHT to discuss the ULFA's central demand--that of sovereignty for Assam. I don't remember reading anywhere that MRG "insistedwith the GOI that they OUGHT to discuss the ULFA's central demand - the sovereignty for Assam", but read that the 'talk' between the two must take place, even if it includes the topic of Assam's sovereinty. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Correspondent, why avoid asking , No peace without Sovereignty restored?Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:58:59 -0500So you don't support MRG really, because she has insisted with the GoI that they OUGHT to discuss the ULFA's central demand--that of sovereignty for Assam.But you cannot say that, and instead indulge in semantics, attempting to have it both ways.You sure have made a very impressive stand here Rajen--one of principled courage :-)At 10:57 AM -0500 6/15/05, Rajen Barua wrote:No I don't think I am changing the context. :When MRG says:"I am sympathetic to the causes the ULFA have been fightingfor the past 25 years. Whether they would get a sovereign state ornot is a different matter, but it should be discussed at thenegotiating table."she does not seem to mean ULFA should have the RIGHT to bring the topic to the negotiating table.If MRG clarifies otherwise that she meant her statement to say ULFA should have the RIGHT, I will withdraw my support (not that my support cares).In the last news report I found added evidence for my continued support for her action.That is the issue.Rajen- Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Chan MahantaTo: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Rajen Barua ; mailto:assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduassam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:00 AMSubject: Re: [Assam] Correspondent, why avoid asking , No peace without Sovereignty restored?Rajen:You have changed the contexts around : The one in which I asked you the question, and the one in which I made my comment.But That is fine. I can see the your need for doing that :-).However, you wrote: But my support to MRG was based on my understanding that she was just trying to bring peace without actually believeing in ULFA's misson or goal.and You are trying to show that MRG is taking a position that ULFA should have a RIGHT, which I don't find anywhere, and definitely not in her words in this report.*** But look at the highlighted part of the previous Sentinel interview with MRG below.Whast do you make of that?I asked you that before. The last time you commented that we have to be careful an bout these newspaper reports. You implied that it was not reliable enough to draw conclusions from.However you have found it convenient to use this recent interview, from the same paper more reliable .That is your choice. You are entitled to cherry pick what suits your particular need on a particular day.But that does not add any credibility to your commentary, does it :-)?c___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Beasts in Uniform/ from Tehelka
Hi C'da: BTW, does anyone know what state these places named are? They arein Chhattisgarh. I wasn't aware of this state until I did a google search looking for them. http://chhattisgarh.nic.in/. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Beasts in Uniform/ from TehelkaDate: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:21:23 -0500What uniform? Beasts in plain clothes would be more apt.BTW, does anyone know what state these places named are?cmNewsBeasts in UniformReetika Khera recounts the police attack on Jean DrèzeThe Rozgar Adhikar Yatra reached Balrampur village of Surguja district at around 8.30pm on June 4. Soon a public meeting began, much like the other peaceful gatherings that took place on the yatra's route. Within minutes, two CRPF personnel in civilian clothes reached the spot on motorcycles and asked the activists to meet the tehsildar. When the yatris refused, the CRPF men left, but returned within 15 minutes with four other people, also in civilian clothes, armed with guns and lathis. Without any warning, an attack was launched on the activists. The CRPF personnel, who started by kicking chairs and breaking the lIGhts, started thrashing the yatris and villagers. The driver was forced into the bus at gunpoint.Jean Drèze, member of the National Advisory Council, was surrounded by four men and thrashedSeveral women on the bus were injured. As I was making my way to the bus, I was hit by a lathi. One of the policemen shouted: "Spare the ladies." But that did not stop his friend from beating up women. Jean Drèze, an economist and a member of the National Advisory Council, was surrounded by four men and thrashed. The yatris were lucky to escape without any major injury but the fate of the local residents is still unclear.On June 5, some of us returned to Ambikapur to file an fir with the police authorities there. We were able to meet the IG, AN Upadhyay, after three trips to his office. While the IG accepted it was an "unfortunate incident", he did not give us any assurance that action would be taken against those behind the attack. The superintendent of police, BP Kalluri, was also present for a short while at the meeting and shockingly, he denied any lathi-charge had taken place. He also stated that for the police, "every outsider is a suspected Naxalite, until proved otherwise". The police press release on June 5 was even more shocking. It contained many inaccurate statements. In any case, how serious is a statement that says the visitors were suspected Naxalites and proceeds to claim that they were "sent off respectfully".June 18 , 2005___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] State kidnapping?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/14/opinion/14kristof.html Raped, Kidnapped and Silenced NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF Published: June 14, 2005 No wonder the Pakistan government can't catch Osama bin Laden. It is too busy harassing, detaining - and now kidnapping - a gang-rape victim for daring to protest and for planning a visit to the United States. Skip to next paragraph Nicholas D. Kristof/The New York Times Mukhtaran Bibi in September 2004. Forum: Nicholas D. Kristof's Columns Last fall I wrote about Mukhtaran Bibi, a woman who was sentenced by a tribal council in Pakistan to be gang-raped because of an infraction supposedly committed by her brother. Four men raped Ms. Mukhtaran, then village leaders forced her to walk home nearly naked in front of a jeering crowd of 300. Ms. Mukhtaran was supposed to have committed suicide. Instead, with the backing of a local Islamic leader, she fought back and testified against her persecutors. Six were convicted. Then Ms. Mukhtaran, who believed that the best way to overcome such abuses was through better education, used her compensation money to start two schools in her village, one for boys and the other for girls. She went out of her way to enroll the children of her attackers in the schools, showing that she bore no grudges. Readers of my column sent in more than $133,000 for her. Mercy Corps, a U.S. aid organization, has helped her administer the money, and she has expanded the schools, started a shelter for abused women and bought a van that is used as an ambulance for the area. She has also emerged as a ferocious spokeswoman against honor killings, rapes and acid attacks on women. (If you want to help her, please don't send checks to me but to Mercy Corps, with "Mukhtaran Bibi" in the memo line: 3015 S.W. First, Portland, Ore. 97201.) A group of Pakistani-Americans invited Ms. Mukhtaran to visit the U.S. starting this Saturday (see www.4anaa.org). Then a few days ago, the Pakistani government went berserk. On Thursday, the authorities put Ms. Mukhtaran under house arrest - to stop her from speaking out. In phone conversations in the last few days, she said that when she tried to step outside, police pointed their guns at her. To silence her, the police cut off her land line. After she had been detained, a court ordered her attackers released, putting her life in jeopardy. That happened on a Friday afternoon, when the courts do not normally operate, and apparently was a warning to Ms. Mukhtaran to shut up. Instead, Ms. Mukhtaran continued her protests by cellphone. But at dawn yesterday the police bustled her off, and there's been no word from her since. Her cellphone doesn't answer. Asma Jahangir, a Pakistani lawyer who is head of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said she had learned that Ms. Mukhtaran was taken to Islamabad, furiously berated and told that President Pervez Musharraf was very angry with her. She was led sobbing to detention at a secret location. She is barred from contacting anyone, including her lawyer. "She's in their custody, in illegal custody," Ms. Jahangir said. "They have gone completely crazy." Even if Ms. Mukhtaran were released, airports have been alerted to bar her from leaving the country. According to Dawn, a Karachi newspaper, the government took this step, "fearing that she might malign Pakistan's image." Excuse me, but Ms. Mukhtaran, a symbol of courage and altruism, is the best hope for Pakistan's image. The threat to Pakistan's image comes from President Musharraf for all this thuggish behavior. I've been sympathetic to Mr. Musharraf till now, despite his nuclear negligence, partly because he's cooperated in the war on terrorism and partly because he has done a good job nurturing Pakistan's economic growth, which in the long run is probably the best way to fight fundamentalism. So even when Mr. Musharraf denied me visas all this year, to block me from visiting Ms. Mukhtaran again and writing a follow-up column, I bit my tongue. But now President Musharraf has gone nuts. "This is all because they think they have the support of the U.S. and can get away with murder," Ms. Jahangir said. Indeed, on Friday, just as all this was happening, President Bush received Pakistan's foreign minister in the White House and praised President Musharraf's "bold leadership." So, Mr. Bush, how about asking Mr. Musharraf to focus on finding Osama, instead of kidnapping rape victims who speak out? And invite Ms. Mukhtaran to the Oval Office - to show that Americans stand not only with generals who seize power, but also with ordinary people of extraordinary courage. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] State kidnapping?
HopeMukhtaran Bibi becomes successful in her mission. What a brave woman! As it is womenfrom 'not sorich and famous' familiesface all kinds of difficulties in countries like Pakistan, on top of thatbeingtortured like this in her own village is just unbelievable. And I am glad at least thisdoes not happen in India. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] State kidnapping?Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:07:08 -0500It will be interesting to see how GWB's admin. is going to live this one down.At 10:05 PM -0500 6/14/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/14/opinion/14kristof.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/14/opinion/14kristof.htmlRaped, Kidnapped and Silencedhttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/nicholasdkristof/index.html?inline=nyt-perNICHOLAS D. KRISTOFPublished: June 14, 2005No wonder the Pakistan government can't catch Osama bin Laden. It is too busy harassing, detaining - and now kidnapping - a gang-rape victim for daring to protest and for planning a visit to the United States.http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/14/opinion/14kristof.html#secondParagraphSkip to next paragraphNicholas D. Kristof/The New York TimesMukhtaran Bibi in September 2004.http://forums.nytimes.com/top/opinion/readersopinions/forums/editorialsoped/opedcolumnists/nicholasdkristof/index.html?page=recentForum: Nicholas D. Kristof's ColumnsLast fall I wrote about Mukhtaran Bibi, a woman who was sentenced by a tribal council in Pakistan to be gang-raped because of an infraction supposedly committed by her brother. Four men raped Ms. Mukhtaran, then village leaders forced her to walk home nearly naked in front of a jeering crowd of 300.Ms. Mukhtaran was supposed to have committed suicide. Instead, with the backing of a local Islamic leader, she fought back and testified against her persecutors. Six were convicted.Then Ms. Mukhtaran, who believed that the best way to overcome such abuses was through better education, used her compensation money to start two schools in her village, one for boys and the other for girls. She went out of her way to enroll the children of her attackers in the schools, showing that she bore no grudges.Readers of my column sent in more than $133,000 for her. Mercy Corps, a U.S. aid organization, has helped her administer the money, and she has expanded the schools, started a shelter for abused women and bought a van that is used as an ambulance for the area. She has also emerged as a ferocious spokeswoman against honor killings, rapes and acid attacks on women. (If you want to help her, please don't send checks to me but to Mercy Corps, with "Mukhtaran Bibi" in the memo line: 3015 S.W. First, Portland, Ore. 97201.)A group of Pakistani-Americans invited Ms. Mukhtaran to visit the U.S. starting this Saturday (see http://www.4anaa.org/www.4anaa.org). Then a few days ago, the Pakistani government went berserk.On Thursday, the authorities put Ms. Mukhtaran under house arrest - to stop her from speaking out. In phone conversations in the last few days, she said that when she tried to step outside, police pointed their guns at her. To silence her, the police cut off her land line.After she had been detained, a court ordered her attackers released, putting her life in jeopardy. That happened on a Friday afternoon, when the courts do not normally operate, and apparently was a warning to Ms. Mukhtaran to shut up. Instead, Ms. Mukhtaran continued her protests by cellphone. But at dawn yesterday the police bustled her off, and there's been no word from her since. Her cellphone doesn't answer.Asma Jahangir, a Pakistani lawyer who is head of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said she had learned that Ms. Mukhtaran was taken to Islamabad, furiously berated and told that President Pervez Musharraf was very angry with her. She was led sobbing to detention at a secret location. She is barred from contacting anyone, including her lawyer."She's in their custody, in illegal custody," Ms. Jahangir said. "They have gone completely crazy."Even if Ms. Mukhtaran were released, airports have been alerted to bar her from leaving the country. According to Dawn, a Karachi newspaper, the government took this step, "fearing that she might malign Pakistan's image."Excuse me, but Ms. Mukhtaran, a symbol of courage and altruism, is the best hope for Pakistan's image. The threat to Pakistan's image comes from President Musharraf for all this thuggish behavior.I've been sympathetic to Mr. Musharraf till now, despite his nuclear negligence, partly because he's cooperated in the war on terrorism and partly because he has done a good job nurturing Pakistan's economic growth, which in the long run is probably the best way to fight fundamentalism. So even when Mr. Musharraf denied me visas all this year, to block me from visiting Ms. Mukhtaran again and w
[Assam] Dress code only for NE students? No!
From The Sentinel: http://www.sentinelassam.com/sentinel_en/briefs.htm#a1 http://www.sentinelassam.com/ Dress codeNorth-east students go berserk From our CorrespondentNEW DELHI, June 11: Over 70 students from the North-east ransacked the premises of Kirori Mal College (KMC) on Friday. The students were protesting the alleged statement by the colleges officiating Principal Virender Kumar in favour of enforcing a dress code for girl students from the North-east. The agitated students were joined by various groups like the Manipur Students Union, the Assamese Students Union of Delhi, and student unions from other States of North-east. The National Students Union of India (NSUI) too joined the agitation. The students ransacked the KMC offices and demanded of the Principal to retract his statement. Police had to be called in. The students agreed to go back only when the Principal had tendered an apology. When asked about the matter, Kumar said that the report appeared in a section of the press regarding the dress code is totally baseless. "I never made such a comment. The students from the North-east are like my own sons and daughters," Kumar said, adding that he would file a defamation case against The Times of India. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] From The Sentinel
Why was the miscreant released (if he was theguy). It is very unlikely to find him if he has moved toanother place/state. So much ofhatred? He should be put in jail for ever. http://www.sentinelassam.com/ AHRC pulls up SSP on Sipra acid case By a Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, June 11: The Assam Human Rights Commission (AHRC) has called for a detailed report from the city Senior Superintendent of Police on the Sipra Bhatta acid throwing case. The AHRC order has asked the SSP to submit the report on or before June 21. Sipra Bhatta had suffered severe injuries when someone sprayed acid on her while she was walking to her neighbours house in the evening on October 16, 2004. A resident of Amingaon station colony under Jalukbari police station, Sipra, besides losing an eye and an ear, also lost her conjugal happiness. The miscreant, identified as Ram Kumar Jadav, was arrested and later released on bail. Appealing for redressal for the physical as well as psychological injury inflicted on the victim, Sipras husband Shyamal Bhatta had lodged a complaint with the Assam Human Rights Commission. It may be mentioned that the Assam State Legal Services Authority had summoned the accused to appear before the authority by April 8, 2005. However, the accused is still absconding till date. The victims case was registered at the Jalukbari police station vide case No 413/2004 under section 326 IPC. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] What makes Indians top spellers
Umesh-ji: Hearty Congratulations! You did it in less than one yearthat is just great! You ought to send us a picture. You're right,it is a shock. Iam not sure if it iscultural or financial, but it is amazing that graduation ceremonies are held in each college (and schools including Middle schools, if not elementary)almost every semester, whereas in India, we don't see that for years, and the faculty MUST attend these to encourage the students. Our college evenprovided us withnew sets of cap and gownto attend these ceremonies year after year. I wonder why they don't do that in India, does it cost that much money? But don't they spend a lot of money in cultural functions every year? As you know, they are short of school teachers and many schools do sponsor you to get an H1-B (now you must be getting that 'practical training' visa for a year or so, and eventually the green card, and gives you a chance to get the teacher's certificate within a few years. And in the mean time, if you find a compatible life-partner, things fall into place and things get even easier. Again, Congrtulations and Best Wishes on your job hunt. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] What makes Indians top spellersDate: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:01:44 +0100 (BST)Dilpi-da and Alpanaji,Very interesting observations!! I graduated yesterday-quite a culture shock fromNO-ceremonies back home.Umesh"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:And Umesh-ji, in most of these spelling bee contests, you have to spell the words the American way.. what i mean by that is that you can't spell "labour" but "labor", not "visualised" but "visualized" "checks" not "cheques", etc, etc.One of my sisters-in-law was in one of the contests for charity organized by the banker's association (if I remember correctly) in Houston a few years ago, and she missed to be the finalist as she spelt "check-books" as "cheque-books".So sometimes it is to your disadvantage, if you know both - British and the American way of spelling a word :). The kids that are born and brought-up here would only (unless he/she is going to be a scholar and is interested in acquiring knowledge of anything and goes an extra mile to learn everything :)) know the American way of spelling these words. From: Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED], Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Subject: Re: [Assam] What makes Indians top spellers Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Umesh, Not really. These children were born and raised in the USA. They do not know many languages. The real truth is parental influence. Sometime in the last thirty years, it became a fashion and passion in the Indian community to take Spelling Bee seriously, mainly by word of mouth. Many children and their parents practice together, using published material for the event. With serious practice, the children start seeing the pattern of spelling, even in words they do not know the meaning of. It is fun to watch when the parent calls out a word with his/her Indian way of pronouncing, the child spells it wrong and then the child blames the mistake on the pronunciation. Dilipda umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: surprising that all 4 toppers were Indians. Could be because we have so many languages so that we learn to make relation between words across languages --and get a feel about etymology etc. Umesh Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/weekinreview/05berger.html - Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam - How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/l
Re: [Assam] An interesting picture
Thanks for the information, AKN. And best wishes for your speech at the graduation ceremony. Do they have it regularly as well in Taiwan? Regards. From: "Anjan K. Nath" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED],assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] An interesting pictureDate: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:12:17 +0800And I should have mentioned, Umiam is the river that was popularly known as "Barapani" it joins the Umtru which is the section at Burnihat lower down the G.S. Road. They are jointly referred to as the Umiam-Umtru sometimes.AKNhttp://web.thu.edu.tw/aknath/ - Original Message ----- From: Alpana B. Sarangapani To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: [Assam] An interesting picture http://www.sentinelassam.com/images/Photo1.jpg "These country boats, used for carrying sand from the river bed, are lined up along the bank of Umtro in Meghalaya on Thursday. A Sentinel photo." Are they using a dredger then? I should have known but I don't, sorry, but aren't Umtru-Umium two joint lakes in Meghalaya?-- ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] What makes Indians top spellers
And Umesh-ji, inmost of these spelling bee contests, you have to spell the words the American way.. what i mean by that is that you can't spell "labour" but "labor", not "visualised" but "visualized" "checks" not "cheques", etc, etc. Oneof mysisters-in-law was in one of thecontests for charity organized by the banker's association (if I remember correctly) in Houston a few years ago, and she missed to be thefinalist as she spelt "check-books" as "cheque-books". So sometimesit is to your disadvantage, if you know both -British and the American way of spelling a word:). The kids that are born and brought-up here would only (unless he/she is going to be a scholar and is interested in acquiring knowledge of anything and goes an extra mile to learn everything:)) know the American way of spelling these words. From: Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED], Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] What makes Indians top spellersDate: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:54:09 -0700 (PDT)Umesh,Not really. These children were born and raised in the USA. They do not know many languages.The real truth is parental influence. Sometime in the last thirty years, it became a fashion and passion in the Indian community to take Spelling Bee seriously, mainly by word of mouth. Many children and their parents practice together, using published material for the event. With serious practice, the children start seeing the pattern of spelling, even in words they do not know the meaning of. It is fun to watch when the parent calls out a word with his/her Indian way of pronouncing, the child spells it wrong and then the child blames the mistake on the pronunciation.Dilipdaumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:surprising that all 4 toppers were Indians. Could be because we have so many languages so that we learn to make relation between words across languages --and get a feel about etymology etc.UmeshMalabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/weekinreview/05berger.html-Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam-How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] a letter to the AT
Today I wasshocked to see a letter written by me in the Assam Tribune. The surprise was that I did NOT send the letter to the AT. I wrote a similar letter to thisnet - theAssam net, but someone apparently sentthat letter (or part of it)to the AT. There were some words that were missing there, I would have corrected and sent it to a "formal" place like a newspaper, but someone did it without my adding those words to make it a "better" letter. Gives one a creepy feeling! ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] a letter to the AT
Hi C'da: A word of encouragement for Vavani. My spelling, my English - everything was wrong thoguh the facts were there and was a note of encouragement and is a matter to let it be known back home - that kharkhuwas are thriving in every aspect. I even spelt his name wrong. And there were some words missing - like it shoudl have been "the desire to open one in Texas and not in the north east area is there"instead of "the desire to open one in Texas and not in the north east area,". I can get by with it in Assam net :), but in Assam Tribune, it should be perfect. I would have asked Ramgopal or Nitin go thru it, if I knew I was sending it to a newspaper. Anyway, thanks for your note. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] a letter to the ATDate: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:03:23 -0500Hi A:Gives one a creepy feeling!Come now :-). That was a nice note. A word of encouragement for Vavani.Maybe someone took liberties to send it to the AT, but it was with good in mind, even though unethical. Anyway, YOU would not write something in Assam Net that you may not want others to read, would you ?c-daAt 11:19 AM -0500 6/9/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:Today I was shocked to see a letter written by me in the Assam Tribune. The surprise was that I did NOT send the letter to the AT. I wrote a similar letter to this net - the Assam net, but someone apparently sent that letter (or part of it) to the AT. There were some words that were missing there, I would have corrected and sent it to a "formal" place like a newspaper, but someone did it without my adding those words to make it a "better" letter.Gives one a creepy feeling!___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] An interesting picture
http://www.sentinelassam.com/images/Photo1.jpg "These country boats, used for carrying sand from the river bed, are linedup along the bank of Umtro in Meghalaya on Thursday. A Sentinel photo." Are theyusinga dredger then? I should have known but I don't, sorry, butaren't Umtru-Umium two joint lakes in Meghalaya? ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] Opinion: Bangalore/India
http://www.nytimes.com---Op-Ed ColumnistBangalore: Hot and Hotter By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN Published: June 8, 2005Bangalore, India Every time I visit India, Indians always ask me to compare India with China. Lately, I have responded like this: If India and China were both highways, the Chinese highway would be a six-lane, perfectly paved road, but with a huge speed bump off in the distance labeled "Political reform: how in the world do we get from Communism to a more open society?" When 1.3 billion people going 80 miles an hour hit a speed bump, one of two things happens: Either the car flies into the air and slams down, and all the parts hold together and it keeps on moving - or the car flies into the air, slams down and all the wheels fall off. Which it will be with China, I don't know. India, by contrast, is like a highway full of potholes, with no sidewalks and half the streetlamps broken. But off in the distance, the road seems to smooth out, and if it does, this country will be a dynamo. The question is: Is that smoother road in the distance a mirage or the real thing? At first blush, coming back to Bangalore, India's Silicon Valley, that smoother road seems like a mirage. The infrastructure here is still a total mess. But looks can be deceiving. Beneath the mess, Bangalore is entering a mature new phase as a technology center by starting to produce its own high-tech products, research, venture capital firms and start-ups. "The ecosystem for innovation is now starting to be created here," said Nandan Nilekani, the C.E.O. of Infosys. For several years now, when venture capitalists funded companies in the U.S., they insisted that the R.D. for the products be done in India. But now, increasingly, Western companies will come up with a new idea and then tell Infosys, Wipro or Tata, India's premier technology companies, to research, develop and produce the whole thing. As one Wipro executive put it, "You go from solving my problem to serving my business to knowing my business to being my business." What will be left for the Western companies is the "ideation," the original concept and design of a flagship product (which is a big deal), and then the sales and marketing. "We're going from a model of doing piecework to where the entire product and entire innovation stream is done by companies here," Mr. Nilekani added. All of this means that innovation will happen faster and cheaper, with much more global collaboration. The best indication that Bangalore is becoming hot is how many foreign techies - non-Indians - are now coming here to work. P. Anandan, an Indian-American who worked for Microsoft for 28 years in Redmond, Wash., just opened Microsoft's research center in Bangalore, which follows the ones in Redmond, Cambridge and Beijing. "I have two non-Indians working for me here, one Japanese and one American, and they could work anywhere in the world," Mr. Anandan said. He added that when he got his engineering degree in India 28 years ago, all the competition was to get a job abroad. Now the fiercest competition is to get an I.T. job in India: "It is no longer, 'Well I have to stay here,' but, 'Do I get a chance to stay here?' " In the past year, Infosys received 9,600 applications from abroad, including from China, France and Germany, for internships, and it accepted 100. I asked one of these interns, Vicki Chen, a Chinese-American business student from the Claremont Colleges, why she came. "All the business is coming to India, and I don't see why I shouldn't follow the business," she said. "If this is where the center of gravity is, you should go check it out, and then you become more valuable." Even more interesting is how Indian firms are taking the skills they learned from outsourcing and using them to develop low-cost products for the low-wage Indian market: a medical insurance plan for the poor for as little as $10 a year, a $2,000 car, a $200 laptop, supercheap cellphones, a low-fare airline ($75 one-way for the three-hour Bangalore-Delhi flight) that sells tickets from Internet kiosks in gas stations. Indian companies know that if they can make money producing low-cost technology for poor Indians, it gives them an incredible platform to then take these products global. (Imagine the profit potential if they work in the West?) China is doing the exact same thing. Indeed, I now understand why, when China's prime minister, Wen Jiabao, visited India for the first time last April, he didn't fly into the capital, New Delhi - as foreign leaders usually do. He flew directly from Beijing to Bangalore - for a tech-tour - and then went on to New Delhi. No U.S. president or vice president has ever visited Bangalore. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options:
Re: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.
patches like ASEB, Irrigation deptt. etc. :-) In regard to asking for royalty, it is always better to enjoy the fruits instead of uprooting the tree and try to shift it to one's own land.:-) Right, right. And then killing the tree without watering it and also not putting any 'xaar/gubor' (fertilizer - cow manure) even though there is no scarcity of 'gubor' in Assam. In any case, doesn't mineral rights depend on government policy? Like, if an oil well is found in someone's backyard, he/she would get compensated but it would become government property, and the state owning that property would get the royalty - depending on the current government policy. Increasing the rate of thatroyalty makes full sense, but is Assam government responsible enough to utilize that for the benefit of the ordinary citizens or it would still go to the "elites" only? From: "mridul bhuyan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:51:26 +0530___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed *** That is serious. Maybe OIL is there for charity to Assam, employing all those lazy people at exorbitant salaries. The Assamese ought to be warned not to rock the boat, asking for more royalty et. OIL may leave and Assam will be left holding the empty wells, and paying them outsiders to close the wells down.Chan Da, The truth is Assamese working in public/private sectors have to hide their lazy tag behind on seeing the batton. Otherwise, its the same old story. Some of my friends left oil failing to do that in search of lazier patches like ASEB, Irrigation deptt. etc. :-) In regard to asking for royalty, it is always better to enjoy the fruits instead of uprooting the tree and try to shift it to one's own land.:-) Regards MridulFrom: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ram Sarangapani"[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Assam" assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:25:38 -0500This also shows that owning OIL by Assam may not be that fun after all, and should be a lesson to the freedom fighters of Assam. There may not be much gold in the golden pot.*** That is serious. Maybe OIL is there for charity to Assam, employing all those lazy people at exorbitant salaries. The Assamese ought to be warned not to rock the boat, asking for more royalty et. OIL may leave and Assam will be left holding the empty wells, and paying them outsiders to close the wells down.Yep, those freedom fighters need to screw their heads on right.:-) :-) :-)But seriously something seems to be missing in the reasoning here, isn't it?At 8:37 AM -0500 6/7/05, Rajen Barua wrote:their profit has zoomed up to Rs 1061 crores in the lastfinancial year.This is where we need to know the reality of the economics of situation. Frankly speaking this Rs. 1061 crores profit will be only around 5% of total annual oil production revenue of OIL (according to my one estimate and based on present world oil price).This also means that OIL will be incurring a loss if it were to pay the royalty to Assam. This also shows that owning OIL by Assam may not be that fun after all, and should be a lesson to the freedom fighters of Assam. There may not be much gold in the golden pot. But there again one need to know how OIL is calculating their profit which may be tricky.Anyhow, I thinkAssam will be better off just playing dumb and claiming 12.5% royalty which will be around Rs 4000 crores according to one estimate I made earlier. At least that will start the debate and discussion for decentralization. The point is to do something. At present Assam is just sitting Hobo Diok..RajenBarua- Original Message -From: "Ram Sarangapani" mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Assam" mailto:assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduassam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:17 PMSubject: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist. This is good news indeed, and the fact that OIL is going for its first IPO.-OIL strikes it rich in three structures in AssamGuwahati, Jun 06 (UNI) Oil India Limited (OIL) has struck crudepetroleum in the three new structures in Dibrugarh district of UpperAssam even as their profit has zoomed up to Rs 1061 crores in the lastfinancial year.According to the director's report, the OIL has struck oil in thethree new structures on North Tini Ali, West Zaloni and Samdang-3.The company is upbeat with the new discoveries as they are preparingfor the first Initial Public Offering (IPO).The OIL India sources, however, confirmed that they were keeping
RE: FW: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.
I wonder why none in the US (the native or the 'nonnatives')hope for this kind of separation. At least we haven't seen it, except for some stray militia gangs here and there. I think in general Americans are more patriotic when it comes to the country - their unity. From: "Roy, Santanu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: FW: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:41:05 -0500No. I am simply characterizing the nature of power structure in India in reality.The reason is I do it is because I often find this particular strand of thought on this net:"you guys are too pessimistic, glass half full; everything is looking up with India, look what a great democracy, and changing so fast, with high economic growth - well, surely, all of this will trickle down to north east India and the vestiges of centralization of power will gradually dissolve in a Hindi film like song and dance sequence, democracy will percolate to the grassroots; just wait and participate rationally in what the existing structure offers you - and everything will be fine in the long run".Well, it won't. Just as the Chinese totalitarian state won't change its essential nature without a radical earth shattering jolt ( a point well recognized in the western media now), the Indian state will not budge an inch on its essential centralized nature unless there is a big jolt.Am I calling for the latter? Am I praying for a revolution? You bet.This time its not day dreaming. Its the only hope. Just because hope is unlikely, one does not embrace falsehood.Santanu.-Original Message-From: Rajen Barua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:24 PMTo: Roy, Santanu; mridul bhuyan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan MahantaCc: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist. .I have been trying to impress for a long time - that forget about independence or autonomy, even getting the GOI to genuinely transfer a minimal set of economic assets and powers to the state through a constitutional amendment will be resisted with as great ferocity by the corridors of power in Delhi as they would resist a demand for secession.I could not quite understand what you are trying to imply here. Are you trying to say that there is no point in trying for constitutional amendment because that is also going to resisted by Delhi with same ferocity as the demand for secession; and therefore it is better to try for secession which is being resisted by Delhi anyway.Well that definitely closes the door for constitutional amendment, or the demand for a change of the desi-demokretik system as suggested by Chandan, till the demand for secession lasts.Rajen Barua- Original Message -From: Chan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MahantaTo: Roy, Santanu mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; mridul mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] bhuyan ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:32 AMSubject: RE: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.Something however tells me that Santanu and Mridul had polar opposite outlook to things. Santanu's holds on to hope for change, while Mridul's surrenders to Indian 'constitutional sanctity', thus acquiesces to the unfairness to Assam.Am I right :-)?At 10:49 AM -0500 6/8/05, Roy, Santanu wrote:Mridul:I actually fully agree with you. I am glad you said that: "Besides, if we can get that we can get independance too."You see, this is a point I have been trying to impress for a long time - that forget about independence or autonomy, even getting the GOI to genuinely transfer a minimal set of economic assets and powers to the state through a constitutional amendment will be resisted with as great ferocity by the corridors of power in Delhi as they would resist a demand for secession.As for day dreaming, there are benefits that emanate from dreams - for example, all of the ideas behind human progress.Santanu.-Original Message-From: mridul bhuyan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:41 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roy, Santanu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: RE: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.IMHO, all rights of ownership over all natural resources including oil should be returned to the people of Assam - OIL and all other companies can then buy it back from us at market price- competitively with foreign bidders - and then float as much share as they wish everywhere. It is easier said than done within the framework of the existing constitution. Besides, if we can get that we can get independance too. Instead of day dreaming, we should explore ways to derive the best.Mridul Bhuyan From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Roy, Santanu" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dilip/Dil Deka"[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Assam assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Subject: RE: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it
RE: [Assam] Daam Borhwa Resignation?
BTW, what exactly did LKA say about Jinnah that sent the VHP and RSS on the warpath ? Did calling him a secular patriot amount to a http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEH20050608042103Page=HTitle=Top+StoriesTopic=369 Mainly this.. Jinnah: From a secularist to a communalistWednesday June 8 2005 14:42 IST IANS NEW DELHI: The raging controversy over BJP leader L K Advani's dramatic eulogy of Pakistan's founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah has put the spotlight on the conflicting persona of the man whose espousal of the two-nation theory, many believe, led to the partition of India.It has also revived interest in this multi-faceted man who was a gifted lawyer, a consummate constitutionalist, a passionate freedom fighter, a crafty politician and a master strategist.Praising Jinnah as "a great man who left an inerasable stamp on history," Advani cited Jinnah's address to Pakistan's Constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947, as a cause for his change of heart about the man in the visitors' book at the Qaid-e-Azam's mausoleum in Karachi.This is what Jinnah said in his forceful speech that marks him out as a secularist as opposed to his stereotype image as a communal bigot who engineered the partition of the country based on the concept of Muslims and Hindus as two separate nations."You are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in the state. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed... that has nothing to do with the business of the state. We are all citizens and equal citizens of the state," said Jinnah on August 11, 1947.Jinnah added, "You will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state."Advani's unexpected praise for Jinnah predictably created a furore within the Sangh Parivar that treats Jinnah as an anathema and as being responsible for the partition of the country. But, more importantly, it has forced a rethink and closer look at various phases of Jinnah's politics with differing emphases on secularism.For at least one decade since his entry into politics in 1906, Jinnah forcefully spread the message of Hindu-Muslim unity. Gopal Krishna Gokhale, the mentor of Mahatma Gandhi, had once said of Jinnah: "He has the true stuff in him and that freedom from all sectarian prejudice which will make him the best ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity."By 1917, Jinnah came to be recognized as one of India's most outstanding political leaders. However, as the chasm between the Hindus and the Muslims deepened, a failed attempt was made to bridge the gulf with the formulation of the Delhi Muslim Proposals in March 1927. Jinnah argued at the national convention in 1928: "What we want is that Hindus and Mussalmans should march together until our object is achieved...These two communities have got to be reconciled and united and made to feel that their interests are common." But the convention ended as a failure, which Jinnah interpreted as "the last straw" for the Muslims. From this point on, Jinnah became more vociferous about the Muslim demands and his politics acquired a distinct communal colouring.Anand K. Verma in "Reassessing Pakistan: Role of Two-nation Theory" refers obliquely to the Congress' refusal to share power with the Muslim League in 1937 in Uttar Pradesh which accentuated ill-feeling between the Congress and the League. This compelled Jinnah to choose what Mahatma Gandhi called the "war path" and in the presence of 50,000 people pass what came to be called the Pakistan Resolution of Lahore in March 1940. Significantly, the Muslim League resolution did not contain the word Pakistan. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] Bandh
Is 'Assam Net Bandh' today? ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] From Oxomiya Khobor
Is this the same Ms. Babita Sarma that showed the 'apun manuh' from 'bidex' in tv shows in Assam? http://www.assamiyakhabor.com/news1.htm ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Examples of Constitutions
Here is a site that lists the constitutions, charters, amendments and other related documentsof the nations of the world, maintained by the law school of University of Richmond. http://confinder.richmond.edu/From: "J. Kalita" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Examples of ConstitutionsDate: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:54:40 -0600 (MDT)It's amazing how many constitutions of countries, autonomous regions,states, and provinces, etc., are on the Web.Here are some examples of constitutions to study before we start to workon a new constitution.1. Spain: http://www.oefre.unibe.ch/law/icl/sp0_.htmlSpain has 17 autonomous areas within the Federation. This is theConstitution from 1978.1a. Basque Country:http://www.nuevoestatutodeeuskadi.net/docs/state_of_autonomy.pdfThe Basques have been demanding independence for many years. This is the1979 Autonomy Statute.2. The US Constitution (1776): http://www.usconstitution.net/const.htmlMassachusetts (1780): http://www.mass.gov/legis/const.htm2a. Virginia Constitution (1776) :http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/states/va05.htm2b. Pennsylvania Constitution: The Constitution was first accepted in1776, but was substantially changed in 1790, 1838, 1874 and 1968http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Constitution.htmlhttp://www.paconstitution.duq.edu/3. Constitution of Australia (1900/1901):http://www.statusquo.org/constitution/constitution_index.htm4. Constitution of East Timor (2002):http://www.constitution.org/cons/east_timor/constitution-eng.htm5. Constitution of Switzerland (1874):http://www.thisnation.com/library/switzerland.html6. Constitution of Norway (1814):http://www.helplinelaw.com/law/norway/constitution/norway.php7. Constitution of Sweden (adopted 1975):http://www.oefre.unibe.ch/law/icl/sw0_.html8. Constitutional Acts of Canada (1867, 1982):http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/Maybe, we can briefly look at these and others, to get a feel for what aconstitution should look like. It makes sense to create a bibliography forthe project as well.Jugal Kalita___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Good News!
- There are free shuttle bus services between the hotel and the airport. Itis not necessary to rent a car unless you are planning on traveling toother places. There is also free shuttle service from the hotel to various That is a very good point. Inevery place that I've been inside or outside the US, I never got a free shuttle (unless there was a flight that was cancelled without it being my fault :))to or from the hotel. Even in Houston it is not always free, and Houston isarelatively cheap place to live. This is my kind of place, things being taken care of even befor you get into the hotel room. One ofmy colleagues just moved to the Villages after she and her husbandtook an early retirement to live in "The Villages" near Orlando, where you don't just "live", you also have fun throughout the year!After we look around the world, may be we will do the same and make it our home outside India. From: Assam 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Assam 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Good News!Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 10:04:01 -0400Dear Friend,If you are still pondering about whether or not to come to Orlandothis 4th of July weekend to attend Assam2005, I've some good news foryou! We are pleased to announce that Disney has confirmed to extendthe same discounted room rates ($99 for single or double occupancy)even after the May 31 deadline, provided rooms are available and theprospective guests quote "Assam2005" codeword while reserving. Isn'tthat magical!!Here's some extra good news! Thanks to the strong response by most ofyou, and to accommodate those of you who are of the procrastinatingsort (aren't we all!), we have decided to extend its registrationdeadline and also waive any late fees.Did you also know?- You can have your luggage transported directly to the hotel room rightfrom the Orlando International Airport. You may have to call the hotelin advance to have it arranged for you.- There are free shuttle bus services between the hotel and the airport. Itis not necessary to rent a car unless you are planning on traveling toother places. There is also free shuttle service from the hotel to variousDisney attractions. Please call the hotel in advance.Given all of this good news, we hope you'll put your procrastinating selfinto high gear and book your room at the Disney's Coronado Resort, andregister for Assam2005 (regn form attached)! We all would like to seeYOU there! Thank you!!Sincerely,Sunil NathChairperson, Assam2005___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Has the ULFA adopted renown Basque of Europe tactics?
Bravo!! People in Assam were just feeling comfortableand feeling "wired" like the rest of India/world.I guess they couldn'ttolerate that. From: "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Has the ULFA adopted renown Basque of Europe tactics?Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 07:29:45 +___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed Bomb explodes at microwave tower in Assam http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/002200506041220.htm Guwahati, June. 4 (PTI): Suspected ULFA extremists exploded a bomb beneath a microwave tower at Gutanagar here today. Police said the explosion occurred inside a drain beneath the BSNL microwave tower around 08:30 a.m, adding there was no report of any loss of life or injury. Police said the explosion resulted in a crater at the site of the blast. The tower was reported to be unaffected and the microwave link between Assam and the rest of the world remained intact. Senior police and BSNL officials have rushed to the blast site, police added. Don't just search. Find. MSN Search Check out the new MSN Search! ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] 1st Assamese Grocery Store in the US
http://www.RangoliBazar.com I just learned that Mr. Vavani Sharma (I hope i speltthe last name right) has opened an Assamese grocery store in Philadelphia. The Mayor of that city is coming to the grand opening cutting the ribbon. Click on the link above to know (thrifty/smart shoppers: online coupons are there too)all about it - it looks great with customized services and seems like a clean and big grocery store - an Oxomiya store. So, if you live in that area buy all your groceries and 'tel-powder-snow', dorob-pati, etc., etc. from this ASSAMESE STORE, and if you don't live close-by, still buy your non-perishable items (Oxomor Saah-Paat, Tinor rosogulla, Horlicks, Jolpai-tel, Narikol tel, Dettol, Goru-ghiu, Xali/Joha/Lahi/Basmoti saaul,etc., etc.,)from there and stockyour pantry with these vfor the year. And who said Assamese are non-entrepreneurs? As for me, of course I will have to hit a lottery jack-pottotake such a brave move, but the desire to open one in Texas andnot in the north east area, so that there won't be any direct competition there :). Congratulations Mr. Sharma and all our best wishes are there for your business to thrive. - A. Sarangapani Houston, Texas. ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] FW: Alienation and abuse of people from Northeast India - online petition to Prime Minister of India
Please sign the petition on-line - takes only a minute. Also kindly post in http://www.petitiononline.com/neindia/petition.html From: Sanjib Bhuyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam Society] FW: Alienation and abuse of people from Northeast India - online petition to Prime Minister of IndiaDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:52:18 -0400Hello all,Please sign the petition on-line - takes only a minute. Also kindly post inother forums, such as AssamNet and Jonaki. Thanks.Sanjibhttp://www.petitiononline.com/neindia/petition.html-Original Message-From: Partha Gogoi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:18 AMTo: Assam Foundation; Assam DC; Maheshda; Roy; [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fwd: Alienation and abuse of people from Northeast India - onlinepetition to Prime Minister of IndiaPlease review and lend your support to this cause. you might have read aboutsome of thehappenings in New Delhi a few weeks back.Partha--- Monalisa Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 23:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Monalisa Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Alienation and abuse of people from Northeast India - onlinepetition to Prime Minister of India To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Friends, The petition to the Prime Minister with 61 signatures from US residentshas been submitted to newspapers and magazines for publication. I'll be mailing one out as wellto the PM's office with copy to the CM of Delhi, Mrs. Sheila Dikshit. Meanwhile, an onlineversion of the petition has been created to keep the momentum going. Please sign it and spread theword. http://www.petitiononline.com/neindia/petition.html Regards, Monalisa __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.comPartha GogoiFairfax, VA--Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn'tdo than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from thesafe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover-Mark Twain--Visit www.1stIndian7Summits.com..be part of this adventure!__Discover Yahoo!Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out!http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html PMO_petition_send.doc Description: MS-Word document ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
RE: [Assam] Population control
Hi C'da: *** What decision? When was a law enacted by the democratically elected reps. of the people establishing a two children or else law in India? It would have made huge news if it were. The decision to upholdthe Panchayat's rule,NOT a law by the Indian government. The panchayat's rule was upheld by the Supreme Court. If I remember correct, a Panchyat's laws are passed by a consensus by the people in the gaon, and the SC just upheld it. Moreover, there is no law in India curtailing reproduction (like China). All that is curtailed is the privilege to hold a panchayat office. Privileges (like scholarships to excellent students) should not be confused withsome fundamental right like reporduction.From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: RE: [Assam] Population controlDate: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:16:30 -0500Hi A:In this regard, the Supreme court was right in upholding the decision in the interest of the common good.*** What decision? When was a law enacted by the democratically elected reps. of the people establishing a two children or else law in India? It would have made huge news if it were.Under the circumstances, I echo Dilip's questions: Where did the SC get that authority to make up such a law?c-daAt 11:11 PM -0500 5/30/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:While the government should not control how many children one can have, it can definitely cut down the number of freebies that the government may be providing.What about the opposite?Should people with few or no children be forced to pay for subsidies to people with 5 or 10 children? Where is the justification that those with fewer children pay the same amount of school/property tax as somebody having more than a handful?Even the IRS here allows more credits and deductions for people with more children, while those with fewer children are penalized with less standard deduction and what not.I can understand the plight of the poor farmers in the villages in India having more children (especially boys) taht might contribute to the family welfare by helping out in the fields. That unfortunately is where the government can step in by education, community farming, helping marketing, seed money, etc.BTW, when India had the slogan: Two or three children were enough, the population reached 1 billion, may be changing taht to one or none would help her to eradicate various problems like poverty, disease etc. due to population pressures.Population/Poverty economists like Jeffrey Sachs prescribe that if the world wants to eradicate poverty by 2025, then it is the responsibility of both the rich countries as well as the developing and the poorer countries to work together toward that end. In this regard, India has a huge responsibility in not just moving forward in science and technology and also in controlling the growth of its population. In this regard, the Supreme court was right in upholding the decision in the interest of the common good.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Population controlDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 20:15:58 -0700___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assamAttachment converted: Macintosh HD:text2 34.html (TEXT/text) (005C37B5)___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] A Sovereign Assam has greater potential than India to develop rapidly.
Getsovereignty just to get subjugated by someone? I wouldrather die thanto see my fellow Assamese living in Assam to loose the very basic personal freedom -surviving with the minimal necessities would come to a halt then, leave alone religious freedom, dignity, etc., etc. Is itthat hard to foresee that? From: "J. Kalita" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] A Sovereign Assam has greater potential than India to develop rapidly.Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:53:20 -0600 (MDT)The region needs both: 1) sovereignty to satisfy the peoples' hunger forself-determination and self-preservation, 2) development. The speecheswere made by minister of India government; what he said was verypredictable and to-be-expected. Maybe, he should have made the argument,in 1947, India/Pakistan/Bangladesh needed development, not independence.Maybe, Mohandas Gandhi/Jinna/etc., were wrong for making an argument forindependence!! I doubt he will ever make that argument.Jugal htmldiv style='background-color:'P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"FONT size=3FONT face="Times New Roman"NE needs dev, not sovereignty: Arjun?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /o:p/o:p/FONT/FONT/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"o:pFONT face="Times New Roman" size=3nbsp;/FONT/o:p/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"FONT size=3FONT face="Times New Roman"By a Staff Reportero:p/o:p/FONT/FONT/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"FONT size=3FONT face="Times New Roman"GUWAHATI, May 30: Union Human Resource Development Minister Arjun Singh is worried over the fact that a section of people of the North-east is demanding sovereignty. He has appealed to the elite section in the region to take the leading role in making the masses know that development of the region is more important than sovereignty. He was delivering the seventh convocation lecture of the Indian Institute of Technology, Guwahati (IITG) today.o:p/o:p/FONT/FONT/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"o:pFONT face="Times New Roman" size=3nbsp;/FONT/o:p/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"FONT size=3FONT face="Times New Roman"Admitting that the region has a lot of challenges before it, he said that the Union Government was fully behind the almost 11-year-old technological institute in its development plans and to harness its full potential.o:p/o:p/FONT/FONT/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"o:pFONT face="Times New Roman" size=3nbsp;/FONT/o:p/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"FONT size=3FONT face="Times New Roman"Saying that India will have to compete with the universities of China, Korea, Japan, Singapore and Israel besides those in European and American countries, the HRD Minister laid stress on quality in both education and research. "To maintain our momentum, it is necessary to produce technology indigenously that will provide inputs to industry," he said.o:p/o:p/FONT/FONT/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"o:pFONT face="Times New Roman" size=3nbsp;/FONT/o:p/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"FONT size=3FONT face="Times New Roman"He urged the IITG scientists and students to design new models for tea manufacturing factories to tide over the crisis in the sector and to put forward suggestions and solutions to tackle floods in the region.o:p/o:p/FONT/FONT/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"o:pFONT face="Times New Roman" size=3nbsp;/FONT/o:p/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"FONT size=3FONT face="Times New Roman"In his address as the guest of honour, ?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /st1:country-regionst1:placeAssam/st1:place/st1:country-region Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi said that the State Government had taken initiatives for the economic development of st1:country-regionst1:placeAssam/st1:place/st1:country-region. "The Government has taken steps to attract the leading IT and ITES companies of the country to establish development centres in st1:country-regionst1:placeAssam/st1:place/st1:country-region. The Government has the plan to develop downstream industries once the gas cracker project materializes," he said and added that these efforts needed technical inputs and the IITG could play a major role in this regard.o:p/o:p/FONT/FONT/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"o:pFONT face="Times New Roman" size=3nbsp;/FONT/o:p/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"FONT size=3FONT face="Times New Roman"Gogoi recalled that the IITG had provided consultancy and technical support to the Assam Government in implementing the projects like e-governance, tax project, treasury project and police computerization, flood control, city drainage, transportation and earthquake engineering.o:p/o:p/FONT/FONT/P P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"o:pFONT
RE: [Assam] Population control
While the government should not control how many children one can have, it can definitely cut down the number of freebies that the government may be providing. What about the opposite? Should people with few or no children be forced to pay for subsidies to people with 5 or 10 children? Where is the justification thatthose withfewer childrenpay the same amount of school/property tax as somebody having more than a handful? Even the IRS here allows more credits and deductions for people with more children, while those with fewer children are penalized with less standard deduction and what not. I can understand the plight of thepoor farmers in the villages in Indiahaving more children (especially boys) taht might contribute to the family welfare by helping out in the fields. That unfortunately is where the government can step in by education, community farming, helping marketing, seed money, etc. BTW, when India had the slogan: Two or threechildren were enough, the population reached 1 billion, may be changing taht to one or none would help her to eradicate various problems like poverty, disease etc.due to population pressures. Population/Poverty economists like Jeffrey Sachs prescribe that if the world wants to eradicate poverty by 2025, then it is the responsibility of both the rich countries as well as the developing and the poorer countries to work together toward that end. In this regard, India has a huge responsibility in not just moving forward in science and technology and also in controlling the growth of its population. In this regard, the Supreme court was right in upholding the decision in the interest of the common good. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] Population controlDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 20:15:58 -0700___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline The Supreme Court of India recently upheld the decision to disqualify a member of a village council in Haryana for violating the two-child norm,which sets a limit of two to the number of children a couple can have.The Supreme Court said " It was in the national interest to check the growth of population by casting disincentives even through legislation". Is the SC justified in upholding two-child norm as policy? KJD ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
