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Well done, Paul! Your post was only five minutes ahead of the blessed event! On 2013-04-19 12:58, paul schuster wrote: It needs to be remembered that Mr. Gilmore 'left' this list several years ago under this same sort of pretense, but surfaced again not-too-long later. So we only have to wait him out. Thank you.
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I for one enjoyed much of your style. But as Marshall McLuhan observed, the medium is the message. If one shouts I love you while snarling, the words are mostly overridden by the style. There is an old cartoon, probably from Playboy, showing a portly gentleman dressed in Renaissance style, at the counter of a florist. He requests a bunch of stalks. I think he understood MM. pax Christi tecum IBM Mainframe Assembler List ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU wrote on 04/18/2013 09:45:19 AM: From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you
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On 2013-04-18, at 07:45, John Gilmore wrote: After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale. I believe your technical expertise is valued here. Your harsh criticism of techniques you find defective is too often construed as argumentum ad hominem, whether accurately or not. You'll be missed for the former, probably not for the latter (although I have found it amusing at times). -- gil
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Our loss. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER- l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:45 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: TRTE, etc. After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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What loss? This listserv is for both the experienced and inexperienced. The inexperienced participants ask questions so they may learn and one day may be able to impart their knowledge to new inexperienced participants. I have seen in this listserv where inexperienced participants were belittled and embarrassed by people like Gilmore only because they the knowledge and experience they seek from this listserv. In my opinion, that behavior is rude and has no place here. The fact that I no longer have to listen to his insulting remarks brings a smile to my face as I celebrate the return of this listserv to a more professional exchange of topics regarding the assembler language. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:49 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@listserv.uga.edu Subject: Re: TRTE, etc. Our loss. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER- l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:45 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: TRTE, etc. After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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I agree it is an overall loss. Mr. Ashland sometimes came across as arrogant. But when he stayed on target and not off topic, his posts were very informative. Even the ones containing words that I had to Google to understand. I simply accepted this fault of his. I have too many faults of my own to be critical of faults of others. Except politicians, of course. Oh, and Windows bigots (nothing pisses off this enlightened mainframe bigot like a ignorant Windows bigot grin/). On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote: Our loss. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER- l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:45 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: TRTE, etc. After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! John McKown
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Which reminds me, I must look through my desk drawer for that old 'REXX Bigot' badge... On 4/18/2013 12:17, John McKown wrote: (nothing pisses off this enlightened mainframe bigot like a ignorant Windows bigot grin/).
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I for one enjoyed your posts and the expertise you brought to the table. Sorry to see you go. Thanks...Guy M. Gates Jr. System Programmer II TTI Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER- l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:45 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: TRTE, etc. After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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Amem to John Robert Driving off the inexperienced only hurts our profession. Tony Thigpen -Original Message - From: Bodoh John Robert [Contractor] Sent: 04/18/2013 12:17 PM What loss? This listserv is for both the experienced and inexperienced. The inexperienced participants ask questions so they may learn and one day may be able to impart their knowledge to new inexperienced participants. I have seen in this listserv where inexperienced participants were belittled and embarrassed by people like Gilmore only because they the knowledge and experience they seek from this listserv. In my opinion, that behavior is rude and has no place here. The fact that I no longer have to listen to his insulting remarks brings a smile to my face as I celebrate the return of this listserv to a more professional exchange of topics regarding the assembler language. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:49 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@listserv.uga.edu Subject: Re: TRTE, etc. Our loss. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER- l...@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:45 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: TRTE, etc. After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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I too, will miss Mr. Gilmore. In addition to technology he gave us much history, often on non-IT topics, that were usually at least somewhat related to the original post. Obviously his technical expertise is much beyond my own. His style never bothered me much. I have yet to look up ad hominem. What does sadden me in the twilight of my own career is the emergence of internet bravado whereby things are said via email/social media that would never be said in a face to face environment. I'd have thought that this list would be immune from that virus. John: I know you're lurking, please re-consider. Some don't like you, others do. How is that different from the rest of life? -- From: Andrew Joyce andrew.jo...@asg.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:18 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: TRTE, etc. Sorry to see you go. I always read your posts. Andrew -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:45 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: TRTE, etc. After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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Regardless of the merits (non-trivial) or negative impacts (also non-trivial) of Gilmore's past behavior, taking his ball and going home is a pretty childish response. More productive/professional/grown-up would be to try to be more collegialhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collegial . Comity http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comityis A Good Thing (so is comedy, but that's different)! On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Tony's old desktop via Windows Live Mail asbabo...@aol.com wrote: I too, will miss Mr. Gilmore. In addition to technology he gave us much history, often on non-IT topics, that were usually at least somewhat related to the original post. Obviously his technical expertise is much beyond my own. His style never bothered me much. I have yet to look up ad hominem. What does sadden me in the twilight of my own career is the emergence of internet bravado whereby things are said via email/social media that would never be said in a face to face environment. I'd have thought that this list would be immune from that virus. John: I know you're lurking, please re-consider. Some don't like you, others do. How is that different from the rest of life? --** From: Andrew Joyce andrew.jo...@asg.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:18 PM To: assembler-l...@listserv.uga.**EDU ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: TRTE, etc. Sorry to see you go. I always read your posts. Andrew -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@**LISTSERV.UGA.EDUASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:45 AM To: assembler-l...@listserv.uga.**EDU ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: TRTE, etc. After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Ave atque vale. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it
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John Gilmore announced: After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Me too Sorry to see you go. I always read your posts.(Andrew Joice) I feel bad my screwed-up last post might have been one of those last straws. That post was too long-worded. After deleting the clumsy part I should have adequately expanded what was left or scrapped it altogether. In any case, English is my 4th languge and I belong to those still working at the trailing edge with no 64bit opportunities in sight. I always found your posts worth reading, although at times only with Google Translator assistance. If quitting isn't your style, hopefully a new *Voice from Ashland* will emerge from this. The final decision of course is yours ! Andreas F. Geissbuehler
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I, too, hope, that this is not the final decision, because I always appreciated the posts of Mr Gilmore. I know from private conversations, that he has been working with computers since 1949, so he is like a sort of living legend for me. It is not necessary that we share his opinions, and I, too, have sometimes a hard time to understand all of his posts, because I am not a native english speaker - in fact, I don't understand all - but that doesn't matter - there is much value in them anyway. So, if he stays with this decision, I hope that he will continue following the list and answer some questions offline - if he is interested. Kind regards Bernd Am 18.04.2013 20:53, schrieb Andreas F. Geissbuehler: John Gilmore announced: After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Me too Sorry to see you go. I always read your posts.(Andrew Joice) I feel bad my screwed-up last post might have been one of those last straws. That post was too long-worded. After deleting the clumsy part I should have adequately expanded what was left or scrapped it altogether. In any case, English is my 4th languge and I belong to those still working at the trailing edge with no 64bit opportunities in sight. I always found your posts worth reading, although at times only with Google Translator assistance. If quitting isn't your style, hopefully a new *Voice from Ashland* will emerge from this. The final decision of course is yours ! Andreas F. Geissbuehler -- Bernd Oppolzer --- *Oppolzer-Informatik * Dipl. Inf. Bernd Oppolzer Bärenhofstraße 23 70771 Leinfelden-Echterdingen --- Tel.: +49 711 2272522 priv.: +49 711 7949590 eMail: bernd.oppol...@t-online.de mailto:bernd.oppol...@t-online.de --- Für Umsatzsteuerzwecke: SteuerNr.: 97 076 / 29921 USt-ID-Nr.: DE 147 700 393 --- Jubiläumsjahr 2013: 30 Jahre Oppolzer-Informatik
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I would love to add the citation for the following quote, which I immediately glommed upon sight for my FB Favorite Quotations. Mr. Gilmore? Anyone? In any event, it somehow seems apropos. Watching people who do not recognize the limitations of their experience pontificate about what the rest of us should do can be a source of amusement, if you can get past the annoyance. ~ anon. Am 18.04.2013 20:53, schrieb Andreas F. Geissbuehler: John Gilmore announced: After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Me too Sorry to see you go. I always read your posts.(Andrew Joice) I feel bad my screwed-up last post might have been one of those last straws. That post was too long-worded. After deleting the clumsy part I should have adequately expanded what was left or scrapped it altogether. In any case, English is my 4th languge and I belong to those still working at the trailing edge with no 64bit opportunities in sight. I always found your posts worth reading, although at times only with Google Translator assistance. If quitting isn't your style, hopefully a new *Voice from Ashland* will emerge from this. The final decision of course is yours ! Andreas F. Geissbuehler -- Bernd Oppolzer --- *Oppolzer-Informatik * Dipl. Inf. Bernd Oppolzer Bärenhofstraße 23 70771 Leinfelden-Echterdingen --- Tel.: +49 711 2272522 priv.: +49 711 7949590 eMail: bernd.oppol...@t-online.de mailto:bernd.oppol...@t-online.de --- Für Umsatzsteuerzwecke: SteuerNr.: 97 076 / 29921 USt-ID-Nr.: DE 147 700 393 --- Jubiläumsjahr 2013: 30 Jahre Oppolzer-Informatik
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I wish I could help, but this is the closest I could come: The recognition of the insuperable limits to his knowledge ought indeed to teach the student of society a lesson of humility which should guard him against becoming an accomplice in men's fatal striving to control society - a striving which makes him not only a tyrant over his fellows, but which may well make him the destroyer of a civilization which no brain has designed but which has grown from the free efforts of millions of individuals. F. A. Hayek, The Pretense of Knowledge Mike At 07:44 PM 4/18/2013 -0500, you wrote: I would love to add the citation for the following quote, which I immediately glommed upon sight for my FB Favorite Quotations. Mr. Gilmore? Anyone? In any event, it somehow seems apropos. Watching people who do not recognize the limitations of their experience pontificate about what the rest of us should do can be a source of amusement, if you can get past the annoyance. ~ anon. Am 18.04.2013 20:53, schrieb Andreas F. Geissbuehler: John Gilmore announced: After discussions with Jean Snow, the list owner, I have concluded that my views and, even more, controversial style are incompatible with her and others' notions of what is proper here. I am unwilling to conform to these proprieties, and this is therefore my last post here. Me too Sorry to see you go. I always read your posts.(Andrew Joice) I feel bad my screwed-up last post might have been one of those last straws. That post was too long-worded. After deleting the clumsy part I should have adequately expanded what was left or scrapped it altogether. In any case, English is my 4th languge and I belong to those still working at the trailing edge with no 64bit opportunities in sight. I always found your posts worth reading, although at times only with Google Translator assistance. If quitting isn't your style, hopefully a new *Voice from Ashland* will emerge from this. The final decision of course is yours ! Andreas F. Geissbuehler -- Bernd Oppolzer --- *Oppolzer-Informatik * Dipl. Inf. Bernd Oppolzer Bärenhofstraße 23 70771 Leinfelden-Echterdingen --- Tel.: +49 711 2272522 priv.: +49 711 7949590 eMail: bernd.oppol...@t-online.de mailto:bernd.oppol...@t-online.de --- Für Umsatzsteuerzwecke: SteuerNr.: 97 076 / 29921 USt-ID-Nr.: DE 147 700 393 --- Jubiläumsjahr 2013: 30 Jahre Oppolzer-Informatik
