Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 4:11 AM, Russell Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 5, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Grey Man wrote: > > Having a thread per channel _absolutely does NOT_ remove the need for > locking to synchronize access to channel data structures. > It does if only one thread needs to access the channel data structures. Perhaps I should have been clearer about the use of "channel". Rather than being the overall SIP channel or IAX channel driver I was referring to creating a new thread at the point a channel driver creates a new ast_channel structure. After the structure and new thread have been initialised by the channel driver the only thread allowed to access it the structure is its associated thread. At the end of the day we'd all like to see the locking issue eliminated from Asterisk. My worry would be that putting in place stringent guidelines dealing with the way channel data must be locked and unlocked will mean the problem will continue to occur every time a new developer adds an new module and is not aware, doesn't understand or forgets the guidelines. A more idealistic fix would be to provide a safe, simple way to access the channel data in the first place hence the suggestion of one channel struct pre thread suggestion which appears to be how FS have solved the problem. One of the very reasons this thread came up (again) is that one of the experienced Asterisk developers seemingly put some locks in wrong order pointing to the fact that the problem may possibly be with the locking mechanism rather than the developer. I don't pretend to have anywhere near the expertise you or others have in the architecture of the Asterisk core and am merely attempting to contribute. I do have my fair share of experience writing multi-threaded applications and the best locking mechanism crosses both problem domain and language. If such ideas have already been considered and aren't suitable fair enough I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job, i.e. it's not presonal :-). Regards, Greyman. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
Steve Totaro wrote: > There must be a reason What is it? That is the question that *you* are being asked. A competing project is getting better performance and you believe it has to do with locking. What specific changes do you suggest making to the locking infrastructure in Asterisk in order to improve it's scalability? -- Sean Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Sean Bright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russell Bryant wrote: >> >> You have yet to bring any useful discussion to the table. >> > > If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any, either :) > > -- > Sean Bright > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sure I have. I have two test boxen, one (that we dare not speak of) has ~10X capacity than Asterisk. Try it yourself. There must be a reason What is it? Thanks, Steve ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
Russell Bryant wrote: > > You have yet to bring any useful discussion to the table. > If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any, either :) -- Sean Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Jul 5, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Grey Man wrote: > From what I can gather the suggestion from the FS approach is that > each Asterisk channel should be handled after by it's own unique > thread and save the need for any locking on the channel data > structures in the first place. Having a thread per channel _absolutely does NOT_ remove the need for locking to synchronize access to channel data structures. -- Russell Bryant Senior Software Engineer Open Source Team Lead Digium, Inc. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] HR 5889.
On Saturday 05 July 2008 19:59:25 Tom Poe wrote: > Tilghman Lesher wrote: > > On Saturday 05 July 2008 18:33:50 Alex Balashov wrote: > >> I am curious for your thoughts on US HR 5889: > >> > >> http://blamcast.net/articles/orphaned-works-open-source-copyright > >> > >> While I am sure that the implications of this bill, as it appears to be > >> constructed, have no significant implication on Asterisk as such, it > >> could potentially injure the community of open-source addons, modules, > >> and helper applications surrounding it and essential to its use in many > >> scenarios. > > > > After reading the bill in question, I have little doubt that the authors > > of that blog piece are, to put it mildly, full of it. HR 5889 makes > > clear mention of the diligence that is required, and, if notified of the > > infringement, the infringer must cease to make use of the work, unless he > > pays the copyright owner a price that the owner demands. Furthermore, > > the existence of an active email account on the copyrighted work in > > question would completely negate any claim of due diligence, by the plain > > language of the bill. > > > > Additionally, the blog piece completely misses the qualification of the > > commercial database: to qualify, they must contain all authors and all > > contact information, and if any contact information is readily available, > > and they do not put it in their database, they stand to lose > > certification as a copyright database. So much for having to pay to > > register your work. In short, this bill is very well balanced, and I > > certainly hope it becomes law. > > Then again, Lessig felt strong enough about the bill to publish an op-ed > in the NYT. I am not familiar with that. Perhaps you would be kind enough to mention the URL? > By the way, are you familiar with the senator that authored > the bill? The bill in question is HR 5889. That is a House notation, and therefore, this bill was introduced by a Representative. There may be a similar bill before the Senate, but that is not this one. Perhaps you have the legislation confused with another bill? It is not uncommon for the provisions for a similar bill in purpose to be vastly different between the House and Senate versions. I can only speak to the bill I read. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] HR 5889.
On Saturday 05 July 2008 20:01:19 Alex Balashov wrote: > Tilghman Lesher wrote: > > After reading the bill in question, I have little doubt that the authors > > of that blog piece are, to put it mildly, full of it. HR 5889 makes > > clear mention of the diligence that is required > > What would it take to retroactively conjure the due diligence? The bill makes it clear that evidence must be provided that the due diligence was done prior to the infringement or else the defense is not valid. It would be fairly difficult to forge phone records or a record that an email was sent and have it stand up in court. Any person who wants their diligence to stand up in court is going to have to be very careful. I have some history with the other side of this question. I've been active with the Apple II community in the past, and finding legitimate titles in print has been very difficult. Remaining on the correct side of the law for many of these works is very difficult, where even the author doesn't know if they have the rights to the title or if their publishing company, long out of business, has those rights. Without a clear law to distinguish how a reproduction right can be established, many of those software titles might be lost forever. Tracking down the rights holders is very difficult, time- consuming, and has no guarantee of success. In certain cases where both the publisher and the author are able to be contacted, sometimes neither are willing to grant the rights, because they simply aren't sure who owns the copyright. The author points at the publisher, and the publisher points back to the author. Neither wants to be on the wrong side of the law. By the way, just to keep this on topic, Mark long ago printed out the source code to Asterisk and registered the code with the Copyright Office. What is there now can be considered a derivative work of that original piece, so the Asterisk source is fairly safe from these techniques. So as Alex correctly pointed out, even if this were a problem to other projects, Asterisk is safe. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] HR 5889.
Tilghman Lesher wrote: > On Saturday 05 July 2008 18:33:50 Alex Balashov wrote: > >> I am curious for your thoughts on US HR 5889: >> >> http://blamcast.net/articles/orphaned-works-open-source-copyright >> >> While I am sure that the implications of this bill, as it appears to be >> constructed, have no significant implication on Asterisk as such, it could >> potentially injure the community of open-source addons, modules, and >> helper applications surrounding it and essential to its use in many >> scenarios. >> > > After reading the bill in question, I have little doubt that the authors of > that blog piece are, to put it mildly, full of it. HR 5889 makes clear > mention of the diligence that is required, and, if notified of the > infringement, the infringer must cease to make use of the work, unless > he pays the copyright owner a price that the owner demands. Furthermore, > the existence of an active email account on the copyrighted work in question > would completely negate any claim of due diligence, by the plain language > of the bill. > > Additionally, the blog piece completely misses the qualification of the > commercial database: to qualify, they must contain all authors and all > contact information, and if any contact information is readily available, and > they do not put it in their database, they stand to lose certification as a > copyright database. So much for having to pay to register your work. In > short, this bill is very well balanced, and I certainly hope it becomes law. > > Then again, Lessig felt strong enough about the bill to publish an op-ed in the NYT. By the way, are you familiar with the senator that authored the bill? Tom ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] New Polycom SpectraLink 8002 Wifi SIP Handset
Michael, Nice review. Can this phone be provisioned without using TFTP? For example, over the internet? Are there other provisioning methods? Does it always require user input to start up? It looks like you need to input the SIP login and password details every time? That sounds very cumbersome from an end-user perspective. For example, if you manually assign an IP address and TFTP server, then can you power it on and start using it without further input? - Julian On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Michael Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anyone is interested I just completed a review of this handset. I > had it installed and in use the past couple of months. My review is > here: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30498/80/ > > Michael > > -- > Michael Graves > mgravesmstvp.com > http://blog.mgraves.org > o713-861-4005 > c713-201-1262 > sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > skype mjgraves > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > > AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona > Register Now: http://www.astricon.net > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] HR 5889.
Tilghman Lesher wrote: > After reading the bill in question, I have little doubt that the authors of > that blog piece are, to put it mildly, full of it. HR 5889 makes clear > mention of the diligence that is required What would it take to retroactively conjure the due diligence? -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] HR 5889.
On Saturday 05 July 2008 18:33:50 Alex Balashov wrote: > I am curious for your thoughts on US HR 5889: > > http://blamcast.net/articles/orphaned-works-open-source-copyright > > While I am sure that the implications of this bill, as it appears to be > constructed, have no significant implication on Asterisk as such, it could > potentially injure the community of open-source addons, modules, and > helper applications surrounding it and essential to its use in many > scenarios. After reading the bill in question, I have little doubt that the authors of that blog piece are, to put it mildly, full of it. HR 5889 makes clear mention of the diligence that is required, and, if notified of the infringement, the infringer must cease to make use of the work, unless he pays the copyright owner a price that the owner demands. Furthermore, the existence of an active email account on the copyrighted work in question would completely negate any claim of due diligence, by the plain language of the bill. Additionally, the blog piece completely misses the qualification of the commercial database: to qualify, they must contain all authors and all contact information, and if any contact information is readily available, and they do not put it in their database, they stand to lose certification as a copyright database. So much for having to pay to register your work. In short, this bill is very well balanced, and I certainly hope it becomes law. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Russell Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you want to talk about locking improvements, then I'm more than > happy to talk about them. Naming an application is useless. Let's > talk about the technical details that make one approach better than > the other. > > You have yet to bring any useful discussion to the table. >From what I can gather the suggestion from the FS approach is that each Asterisk channel should be handled after by it's own unique thread and save the need for any locking on the channel data structures in the first place. Regards, Greyman. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] HR 5889.
Hi folks, I am curious for your thoughts on US HR 5889: http://blamcast.net/articles/orphaned-works-open-source-copyright While I am sure that the implications of this bill, as it appears to be constructed, have no significant implication on Asterisk as such, it could potentially injure the community of open-source addons, modules, and helper applications surrounding it and essential to its use in many scenarios. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Require Billing solution for Calling Cards retail...
Hello Kashif, Do you have something already working ? Here in Brazil I've worked on some projects using Asterisk to make some passive call-centers receive calls from their remote customers. Is it what your customer is looking for ? About calling cards, Is something like pre-paid cards ? Do they have some system working, even without IVR ? Regards. -- Daniel Varella de Oliveira Consultor de T.I. Cel.: +55(21)8615-6050 Linux Professional Certified LPI000143643 On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Kashif Naeem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All, > > One of our French client is dealing in Wholesale termination business. Now > they are going to start retail of Calling Cards. They need complete IVR and > billing solution for it. Any one who has already provided such solutions > please contact. > > Regards, > > > -- > Kashif Naeem > Business Development Manager > Hadi Telecom > www.haditelecom.com > > Cell: +92 (0)345 4226006 > Office: +92 (0)42 5692766 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: kashif.naeem > > 302 Y Commercial Area, 2nd Floor DHA Lahore, Pakistan. > ___ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > > AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona > Register Now: http://www.astricon.net > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] New Polycom SpectraLink 8002 Wifi SIP Handset
If anyone is interested I just completed a review of this handset. I had it installed and in use the past couple of months. My review is here: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30498/80/ Michael -- Michael Graves mgravesmstvp.com http://blog.mgraves.org o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Cell phone to PSTN adapter or IAX
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Joseph wrote: > On 07/05/08 09:59, Matt Watson wrote: >> On July 5, 2008 01:50:52 pm Joseph wrote: >>> Are they any such things as "Cell phone PSTN adapters"? >>> >>> Openmoko is coming out so I hope it will be possible to register it to >>> Asterisk and/or there will be a small iax registration program to >>> communicate with asterisk. >> >> The beauty of the OpenMoko is that it is entirely open and completely >> hackable... they encourage people to modify it and write software for it... I >> imagine making a SIP/IAX client for it would probably be rather easy. >> >> That being said... since the OpenMoko runs Linux as its OS... its probably >> possible to run Asterisk on the OpenMoko... you could probably even use >> Asterisk as that SIP/IAX client using chan_alsa to access the built in >> speaker/microphone... (I;m assuming they are accessible through ALSA). >> >> I don;t know the OpenMoko inside and out... i;ve done some light reading on >> it >> over the last year or so... so i;m really just making some logical >> assumptions here. > > I would imagine it would be even possible to modify: Dante's DIAX Software IP > Phone > http://www.laser.com/dante/diax/diax.html to work with Opnemoko. > It is a very small program. Debian has a binary package that works OK. I don't think the source for DIAX is available. Further, the web page you cite only MS OSs. Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Steve Totaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Michiel van Baak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 14:26, Sat 05 Jul 08, Steve Totaro wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote: >>> >> FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large >>> >> scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it >>> >> becomes more mature. >>> > >>> > If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off >>> > this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for >>> > fanboyism of >>> > other software projects. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Tilghman >>> > >>> >>> Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I >>> was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method >>> of locking with FreeSwitch. >>> >>> Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users. >> >> Why do you keep repeating this ? >> It's very clear that you totally dont like the way asterisk is run etc. >> Why dont >> >> -- >> >> Michiel van Baak >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://michiel.vanbaak.eu >> GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD >> >> "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?" >> >> > > Wrong again. Asterisk does not, "annoys you so damn much" I am just > pointing out the fact that other systems have very few issues with > dealocks and a 10x performance increase because of that. > > How does that mean, "you move away from asterisk if it annoys you so > damn much ?" Why does using a product name hurt so muh? > > Obviously this thread is going nowhere fast > > EOL > Just remember to get the core dump and GDB to try to figure out why you just lost thousands of dollars, enter it into bugtracker and hope it is not closed, with no explianation Thanks, Steve T ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Michiel van Baak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 14:26, Sat 05 Jul 08, Steve Totaro wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote: >> >> FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large >> >> scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it >> >> becomes more mature. >> > >> > If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off >> > this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for >> > fanboyism of >> > other software projects. >> > >> > -- >> > Tilghman >> > >> >> Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I >> was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method >> of locking with FreeSwitch. >> >> Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users. > > Why do you keep repeating this ? > It's very clear that you totally dont like the way asterisk is run etc. > Why dont > > -- > > Michiel van Baak > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://michiel.vanbaak.eu > GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD > > "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?" > > Wrong again. Asterisk does not, "annoys you so damn much" I am just pointing out the fact that other systems have very few issues with dealocks and a 10x performance increase because of that. How does that mean, "you move away from asterisk if it annoys you so damn much ?" Why does using a product name hurt so muh? Obviously this thread is going nowhere fast EOL ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Require Billing solution for Calling Cards retail...
Kashif Naeem wrote: > One of our French client is dealing in Wholesale termination business. > Now they are going to start retail of Calling Cards. They need complete > IVR and billing solution for it. Any one who has already provided such > solutions please contact. I gather a2billing is usually recommended for this sort of thing. -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On 14:26, Sat 05 Jul 08, Steve Totaro wrote: > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote: > >> FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large > >> scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it > >> becomes more mature. > > > > If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off > > this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for fanboyism > > of > > other software projects. > > > > -- > > Tilghman > > > > Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I > was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method > of locking with FreeSwitch. > > Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users. Why do you keep repeating this ? It's very clear that you totally dont like the way asterisk is run etc. Why dont you move away from asterisk if it annoys you so damn much ? -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?" ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Jul 5, 2008, at 2:26 PM, Steve Totaro wrote: > Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I > was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method > of locking with FreeSwitch. > > Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users. I'm listening quite closely. However, saying "FreeSWITCH" is completely not helpful. If you want to talk about locking improvements, then I'm more than happy to talk about them. Naming an application is useless. Let's talk about the technical details that make one approach better than the other. You have yet to bring any useful discussion to the table. -- Russell Bryant Senior Software Engineer Open Source Team Lead Digium, Inc. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Cell phone to PSTN adapter or IAX
On 07/05/08 09:59, Matt Watson wrote: >On July 5, 2008 01:50:52 pm Joseph wrote: >> Are they any such things as "Cell phone PSTN adapters"? >> >> Openmoko is coming out so I hope it will be possible to register it to >> Asterisk and/or there will be a small iax registration program to >> communicate with asterisk. > >The beauty of the OpenMoko is that it is entirely open and completely >hackable... they encourage people to modify it and write software for it... I >imagine making a SIP/IAX client for it would probably be rather easy. > >That being said... since the OpenMoko runs Linux as its OS... its probably >possible to run Asterisk on the OpenMoko... you could probably even use >Asterisk as that SIP/IAX client using chan_alsa to access the built in >speaker/microphone... (I;m assuming they are accessible through ALSA). > >I don;t know the OpenMoko inside and out... i;ve done some light reading on it >over the last year or so... so i;m really just making some logical >assumptions here. I would imagine it would be even possible to modify: Dante's DIAX Software IP Phone http://www.laser.com/dante/diax/diax.html to work with Opnemoko. It is a very small program. Debian has a binary package that works OK. -- #Joseph GPG KeyID: ED0E1FB7 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote: >> FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large >> scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it >> becomes more mature. > > If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off > this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for fanboyism of > other software projects. > > -- > Tilghman > Again, your ability to miss the point is astounding. I never said I was a Freeswitch fan boy. I am just suggesting using a similar method of locking with FreeSwitch. Ideas, obviously Digium doesn't care enough to listen to it's users. Thanks, Steve T ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Cell phone to PSTN adapter or IAX
On July 5, 2008 01:50:52 pm Joseph wrote: > Are they any such things as "Cell phone PSTN adapters"? > > Openmoko is coming out so I hope it will be possible to register it to > Asterisk and/or there will be a small iax registration program to > communicate with asterisk. The beauty of the OpenMoko is that it is entirely open and completely hackable... they encourage people to modify it and write software for it... I imagine making a SIP/IAX client for it would probably be rather easy. That being said... since the OpenMoko runs Linux as its OS... its probably possible to run Asterisk on the OpenMoko... you could probably even use Asterisk as that SIP/IAX client using chan_alsa to access the built in speaker/microphone... (I;m assuming they are accessible through ALSA). I don;t know the OpenMoko inside and out... i;ve done some light reading on it over the last year or so... so i;m really just making some logical assumptions here. -- Matt Watson http://www.mattgwatson.ca ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Cell phone to PSTN adapter or IAX
Are they any such things as "Cell phone PSTN adapters"? Openmoko is coming out so I hope it will be possible to register it to Asterisk and/or there will be a small iax registration program to communicate with asterisk. -- #Joseph GPG KeyID: ED0E1FB7 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Tilghman Lesher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 05 July 2008 04:24:19 Steve Totaro wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote: >> >> FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large >> >> scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it >> >> becomes more mature. >> > >> > If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it >> > off this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for >> > fanboyism of other software projects. >> >> I did not say I was a FreeSwitch fanboy, or at least that is not what >> I meant to say. > > It is what came across. There are thousands of other software projects, but > Asterisk is the only one which is on-topic. Please refrain from talking up > another software project. The response would be the same if you had engaged > in talking up SQL Ledger or Firefox. None of those projects are on-topic. > >> The thread is about "Locking, coding guidelines addition" and posted >> posted a better way of doing things. If anyone is a fanboy, it is >> the person that is quick to reject better ways of doing things because >> they don't fit with the status quo (the asterisk way).. > > There was no rejection of better ways to do things. The discussion from > which this tangent originated was very specifically about improving the coding > guidelines to be more clear when it comes to locking order. I don't > understand why you had to cross-post. > >> And, if memory serves me correctly, you are the same guy that said, >> "If it is released, it stable", I can dig up that quote if need be. > > I think your memory deceives you, but in any case, it is not relevant to this > discussion. > > -- > Tilghman > .I am by no way saying go with Freeswich, I am suggesting the logic of locks an deadlocks. Common sense must tell you to find the best method an implementing something,.tons of deadlocks is to follow Freeswitch's concepts. Thank, Steve T Freeswitch has that.> ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Return Vars to Dial Plan from VXML()
I'm using i6net's vxml browser in Asterisk. I'm trying to work out how I can return the inputs from a menu or form back into the Asterisk dial plan. Is there a variable? It's not documented if it is. The exit tag apparently can be used to return a value (still trying to work out how to do that), but what about multiple values, such as with a form? Doug. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk loosing IAX users's registration??
On 11:13, Sat 05 Jul 08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can anyone tell me why my * is loosing the IAX user's registration? > > Before, I had asterisk installed with root, and after a hardware failure I > reinstalled it under the user "asterisk" > > I'm using exactly the same configuration as before, exactly the same version > as before but now when I try to call any IAX users it fails right the way > and send me to the voicemail, I have to tray 3 or 4 times until asterisk > succeed to contact the user. > > lnxca*CLI> core show version > Asterisk 1.4.16.2 built by asterisk @ lnxca > Running on Fedora 7 First of all, update to the latest version, 1.4.21.1 Are you having other network issues with the box? Check the iax show peers output. set qualify=yes for all the entries so you can see how much they are lagged. -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?" ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Read & Background
Hello All,
Asterisk 1.4.20.1
SuSE 10.3
I have been building a dial plan and have run into some questions that I
have not been able to answer on Voip-info or google. I am trying to use
either Read or Background to gather user input to an IVR in a Macro. I
need to be able to branch based on the user entering the # key or up to
3 digits. When I use Background I get the # key but am only able to
collect one digit. If I use Read I can the three digits but the # key
is not recognized. The system knows that a key was pressed as it exits
the prompt immediately but it then spits out to the CLI that the "user
entered nothing" and the variable uchoice is in fact empty.
What I have had to do is use a combination of both Read and Background,
rather ugly in my opinion.
Macro snipit:
exten => s,n,Read(uchoice|outmessg/greeting|3||1|3);
exten => s,n,GoToIf($[${LEN(${uchoice})}>0]?${uchoice},1);
exten => s,n,Background(outmessg/directory_rotary|m||macro-jm-in);
;have tried the above with and without the m option
exten => s,n,WaitExten(3);
This works but puts an unfortunate pause between the two prompts in
order to give the caller time to decide what they want to do. I can't
just test for empty/NULL to see if the user hit the # key as I need to
go to operator if the user does nothing which also leaves uchoice set to
nothing. I have set uchoice to 0 previously in the dialplan but when it
goes through read it gets reset to either the user entry of nothing if
the user does not press a key or presses #.
I would just not use the # key but the prompts were previously recorded
and I need to match prior functionality.
If I could get Read to recognize the # key or Background to accept more
than one digit I would be a much happier camper. Am I missing something?
Am in process of upgrading a test box to 1.4.21.1 to see if there is any
change, but hopes are not high.
Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks,
JohnM
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[asterisk-users] Asterisk loosing IAX users's registration??
Can anyone tell me why my * is loosing the IAX user's registration? Before, I had asterisk installed with root, and after a hardware failure I reinstalled it under the user "asterisk" I'm using exactly the same configuration as before, exactly the same version as before but now when I try to call any IAX users it fails right the way and send me to the voicemail, I have to tray 3 or 4 times until asterisk succeed to contact the user. lnxca*CLI> core show version Asterisk 1.4.16.2 built by asterisk @ lnxca Running on Fedora 7 Any ideas? Any help will be really appreciated, Thanks in advance! ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Saturday 05 July 2008 04:24:19 Steve Totaro wrote: > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote: > >> FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large > >> scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it > >> becomes more mature. > > > > If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it > > off this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for > > fanboyism of other software projects. > > I did not say I was a FreeSwitch fanboy, or at least that is not what > I meant to say. It is what came across. There are thousands of other software projects, but Asterisk is the only one which is on-topic. Please refrain from talking up another software project. The response would be the same if you had engaged in talking up SQL Ledger or Firefox. None of those projects are on-topic. > The thread is about "Locking, coding guidelines addition" and posted > posted a better way of doing things. If anyone is a fanboy, it is > the person that is quick to reject better ways of doing things because > they don't fit with the status quo (the asterisk way).. There was no rejection of better ways to do things. The discussion from which this tangent originated was very specifically about improving the coding guidelines to be more clear when it comes to locking order. I don't understand why you had to cross-post. > And, if memory serves me correctly, you are the same guy that said, > "If it is released, it stable", I can dig up that quote if need be. I think your memory deceives you, but in any case, it is not relevant to this discussion. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Require Billing solution for Calling Cards retail...
Hello All, One of our French client is dealing in Wholesale termination business. Now they are going to start retail of Calling Cards. They need complete IVR and billing solution for it. Any one who has already provided such solutions please contact. Regards, -- Kashif Naeem Business Development Manager Hadi Telecom www.haditelecom.com Cell: +92 (0)345 4226006 Office: +92 (0)42 5692766 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: kashif.naeem 302 Y Commercial Area, 2nd Floor DHA Lahore, Pakistan. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [asterisk-dev] Locking, coding guidelines addition
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Tilghman Lesher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 04 July 2008 19:59:55 Steve Totaro wrote: >> FreeSwitch will be the clear winner, or at least the heart of large >> scale systems with a few Asterisk boxen here and there until it >> becomes more mature. > > If you want to be a Freeswitch fanboy, that's fine, but please keep it off > this list. This list is for usage questions of Asterisk, not for fanboyism of > other software projects. > > -- > Tilghman > I did not say I was a FreeSwitch fanboy, or at least that is not what I meant to say. The thread is about "Locking, coding guidelines addition" and posted posted a better way of doing things. If anyone is a fanboy, it is the person that is quick to reject better ways of doing things because they don't fit with the status quo (the asterisk way).. And, if memory serves me correctly, you are the same guy that said, "If it is released, it stable", I can dig up that quote if need be. Thanks, Steve T ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] DIDs required of Paris and Gottenburg Sweden
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Alex Balashov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the referent of "the DIDs" as opposed to merely "DIDs"? I think it's a question of the use of the article by a non-native English speaker. For example in French, the word "des" means both "some" and "of the". ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The S word: Asterisk security
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Michael Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All the VUC calls are recorded and available via > http://voipusersconference.org/ning/. > The post-call session is often not recorded, but the main body of the > call is available for download. I recorded yesterday's post chat because I knew the guys would continue with interesting stuff, and they did. Part 2 is on the feed. Thanks again to everyone who participates in these sessions. I did not start this in March 2007 as a podcast, but as a live conference for like-minded people to discuss asterisk-related and voip-related issues. You can see that no attempt is made to have a big, shiny, professional "show". Rather I wanted a worldwide virtual users' group and that's what it is. We'd have many calls with participants from 4 continents at once. It just happens that the recordings are made available both on the Talkshoe site and on a number of others: RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AstUser http://recordings.talkshoe.com/rss22622.xml Lists of recorded sessions: http://food4wine.ning.com/conference http://voipusersconference.org/topics.php Flash player, Java SIP phone and Google Calendar agenda: http://food4wine.ning.com And the Talkshoe page has it all, too: http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=22622 We've had a lot of great, knowledgeable guests present on a lot of topics and I hope to continue this 15 month series for at least a few more years. Yesterday was a holiday so participation was down a little, but typically there are 30 to 50 live callers. Next week I'm thinking of trying to get someone to go through and explain the process of a SIP call from A to Z. If Olle was available he'd be a good choice, but Olle is very scarce. Perhaps John Todd or someone else from Digium will heed the cry for help and do this. Worst case, I will attempt it and someone who actually knows what they're talking about will come to the rescue! Be there next week for "Everything you wanted to know about SIP but were afraid to ask". /r ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
