Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating While this isnt a service I would personally use, I would just like to make a couple of points.First of all, post 6 made me laugh. What alternate universe are you living in that would make you think that the NFB would approve of such a service?The NFB is all about integrating into the sighted world, and its members can be quite aggressive towards those who they feel arent doing a good enough job at it. So a phone line that is exclusively for blind people to meet other blind people really doesnt sound like anything they would touch with a 50 foot pole.Also, has this been advertised in other media besides this website? How are people who dont have computers going to know about it if they cant access the internet in order to find out it exists? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=194008#p194008 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-11-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : philip_bennefall via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hi all,After some downtime caused by my phone number provider, this service is now finally back up and running again. Sorry to all those who tried to call in! Should this ever happen again, I will be switching providers. Please pass on this information to anyone who may have tried to call during the downtime period. Thanks!Kind regards,Philip BennefallP.S: To be clear, it is only the phone number that has been unreachable. For all of you who are calling in directly with a SIP client, things should have been working normally. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=193688#p193688 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating I just created an account and have absolutely 0 matches. Guess theres nobody in my age range URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=188498#p188498 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-09-08
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : philip_bennefall via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating @shuteye: While there are definitely a few people in the system, we are nowhere near the numbers I am aiming to see eventually. Lets hope word of mouth is effective!Kind regards,Philip Bennefall URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=188507#p188507 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating hey phillip i really like that concept i wouldnt mine try it out would you be interested in selling me a copy of it please let me know thanks URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=187925#p187925 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating hey phillip i really like that concept i wouldnt mine trying it out would you be interested in selling me a copy of it please let me know thanks URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=187925#p187925 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Its not for sale. I may well give it a try since I tend to prefer to hear a girls voice rather than just text. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=187960#p187960 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : philip_bennefall via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating @shuteye: Thank you so much for those kind words! This was a very fun project to work on, and if it turns out to be useful to some people then all the better. Currently we have just under 40 users, though not all of them have profiles of their own.Kind regards,Philip Bennefall URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=186379#p186379 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating @Dark, should there be a notice that the number was removed or not? If a stalker noticed that the number was removed, wouldnt that make them think that they, after reading your post, did leave out their phone number? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=186430#p186430 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Philip, on behalf of the many, many older or newly blind clients I train on a weekly basis, thank you! I will be telling them about BlindDateLine within the next week. All of you detracting from what Philip has done, keep in mind the following. If someone has experienced loss of vision within the last couple of years, advanced computer use is way out of their league. I was saddened to hear about GWConnects death because many of my clients dont have the skill to explore an ever changing environment in skype. The same goes for advanced orientation and mobility skills. Adding to that, in Toronto at least, many blind and visually impaired people live in low income housing areas which are an absolute nightmare to find ones way around in, even for me, a seasoned world traveler. Many of my isolated clients will benefit from this service and I think Ill give it a wearl too! Quest and LavaLife were fun while the free trials lasted. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=186149#p186149 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Moderation! @hhurstseth405, giving out your private phone number on the internet is not only a really bad idea! you risk everything from telimarkiting to stalkers being able to phone you, or even being able to track you through your number. Philips service will have a way to preserve your privacy, so if you want to sign up do it then, rather than giving out potentially dangerous information on the forum that anybody can get via Google (remember all your posts are public). I have removed your number from your post in order to preserve your privacy. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185806#p185806 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hello guys I do like the line. I will tell you that it sounds like a linux asterisk server. Anyway Im VI my self so talking to sighted girls is hard so I think this would be good. 1323-4312870(317) 643-0713. That is my number and you can always text me your comments any time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185711#p185711 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Im sure everyones heard of the term blind date, the query here was whether there was a double meaning with it in regard to visual impairment. Essentially they wanted to know whether it was just blind date or blind blind date. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185460#p185460 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-19
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Ah, good. Just wanted to make sure... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185481#p185481 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating If anyone truly shuns company from the non visually impaired I would be very, very alarmed. Another matter entirely are those who only seek VI people on internet discussion media, sometimes for valid reasons and sometimes not. While we can discuss all day whether it is valid or healthy I want to stress that it isnt really our place to judge them. Also remember that many such people may have mental health issues including severe depression, and that likely isnt exclusively because of their visual impairment.Ultimately its unfair to make sweeping statements like that because every individual is different and while it isnt necessarily the best thing for them to do they arent always in a place where theyre capable of doing otherwise. Yes there are those who give people with visual impairments a bad reputation and thats just obnoxious but it equally isnt the responsibility of visually impaired people to get out there and acti vely improve our reputation, not everyone can be militant about the whole business and the day we reach true equality will be the day were all able to live a life where we dont have to convince anyone of anything after all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185251#p185251 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hi,.I like the idea of the new phone service. Not something which Ill spent hours on, but I like the concept. Ill check it out if I can get a client working on my computer for free. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185260#p185260 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hi all,I must say, the point about others not having computers, well, now that you put it that way, I can certainly agree with this. Unfortunately I dont think Ill be able to convince the ones I know to have a look at this line, but I might give it a shot, as the more members the better.@noctunous: I use twitter a lot, trying to integrate with different groups there. Sometimes, it works, sometimes, it doesnt. But Ive certainly made some contacts here and there from both the blind and sighted communities.Getting out is also a nice idea, and I try my best with that. I still wouldnt consider myself independant, unfortunately, but its best to mix and mingle with the sighted where possible. Finding folks nearer my age, now thats a bit tricky. In this situation I often get my parents telling me that theyre too busy talking or some such, which I can understand but also find annoying. At that point, its hard to know w hen to approach them.Me, Id love to find some local gamers or sci-fi fans. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185284#p185284 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating At nocturnus: In short, im sorry i jumped the gun a little in my previous post. Sometimes, as you know, context is really hard to grasp when using a screenreader. What may fully be intended as observations of one persons behalf turns in to a flat sounding attack on the masses. Im sure you thought your post out clearly, i was wrong to assume otherwise. Outside of this forum, my girlfriend is the only blind person i associate with at all. So, i have a ton of sighted peers, and i understand your point about blind folks who need to interact and mingle with sighted individuals. From the blind people i have interacted with, to be honest, i cringe at how isolated they were, and how much they truly needed to learn out there in the big world where things actually take place outside of there bubble. I certainly wouldnt waste my time being an appolagist for that level of isolation, or the lack of will to mingle with the rest of society. Your points certainly ring true , and we could all take pieces of advice from them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185299#p185299 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating I wanted to share with yall, who are still confused of why the name was picked, please see the following official definition:blind datenounnoun: blind date; plural noun: blind datesa social engagement or date with a person one has not previously met.a blind date arranged by well-meaning friendseither person of the couple on a blind date.where do you take a blind date, anyway?Oh, and do please listen to the introduction before creating an account. Its worth the time in to listening to it!PS. Yes, I am now a member. No, I havent created a profile just yet, but Im happy for what this service has gotten for it. Definitely not just for the blind at all!BTW, I assume that not all have heard of the Blind Date TV show either? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185428#p185428 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Ive always wondered how people made their own telephone network, but it seems you need a lot of technological skills to do it. I fond an article on How Stuff Works which explains how to build your own telephone network. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185063#p185063 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Im sure not everyone can just do it or they probably would be but my guess is that Philip is using some kind of virtual landline number to SIP service so everything goes through the SIP server ultimately. At least if there are such services thats how Id try doing it myself. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185066#p185066 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating More dating services... Im sure you can find better things to do Philip URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185081#p185081 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hi,I agree. I myself would just use voice chat and find someone, rather than a date line.Im very sad to say this, but I cant help but feel... disappointed. With all this modern tech, this... is what youd come up with? I dont mean to sound harsh, but seriously. This is 2014, not 1990. This feels like something for the older generation, marketed to someplace like the royal national institute for the blind in the UK, or the National Federation for the Blind in the US. To me, this does not sit well, what with the NFB going after Apple and potentially hurting all the advances that companies have made, both apple and google, and who knows what else. I just hope they know what they are doing, and that they can solve it.Im sorry for taking this off topic, but... I... just dont know about this. It just seems... old. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185093#p185093 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Wat ust a minute. Why are things based on trends? Trends are for losers, in my opinion. You know what they say, here today, gone to-morrow. What makes dating systems exclusively for the 1990s? Is it because people of newer generations find the more advance stuff like Skype and Apple to be more convenient than just a simple party line? I think there needs to be a balance with how much we care about living up to time changes and how much we want to preserve old technology, because some of that can still be good. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185102#p185102 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating I let the folks know on twitter... So will have to see how things go.This may truly take off to be honest... And not everyone wants to use skype folks, or cant. Just saying.Ah, some places that may be good for extra phone numbers are:Denver, 303/720Colorado Springs, 719Cant think of other area codes right now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185110#p185110 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Philip, I for one like this idea. I am looking forward to checking this out. I can see from other posts on the topics that some are really not keen on this idea of a blind dating phone service, but I do think it could be another tool for some of us wanting to meet others around the world who share interests and want to meet.Aaron, just because something is old does not mean it is necessarily bad. Skype, Facebook, Twitter, and other technologies are good and have their place, but I do not think they necessarily mean we throw other forms of communication away just because it seems old. Frankly speaking if you want to make a case for something better, something newer, do so but your argument has to be something more constructive than this or that is newer than x. Thats no argument at all.Besides, there is a huge and glaring fallacy in your argument. You are assuming here that everyone has a computer, and that they have access to the same technologies as you do. Wh ile many blind users we are likely to encounter probably do have computers, the internet, and thus can sign up for voice chat etc, but that is not necessarily the case for everyone. I am sure there are blind men and women here in the USA as well as elsewhere that have no regular computer access at all who could benefit from Philips new phone service. Just saying everybody must use Skype, for example, puts those sorts of people at a disadvantage because you assume they have the same technologies and financial means as you do to communicate via that particular technology.Finally, regarding technology as being old I never get why people think just because something is old that instantly means we must do away with it. Having newer technology does not necessarily mean we should trash something just because the technology is old. Far too many people have adopted this newer is better attitude when in some cases its not any better than the technology it replac ed. Its a phenomenon called perceived obsolescence, and companies have been using it to exploit the market for years. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185111#p185111 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Id also like to point out that no one has gone after Apple. Listeners of the maccessibility podcast will know that the NFB resolution is an internal matter not a condemnation, it is a goal to encourage accessibility within a broader spectrum of apps within the app store. Any talk of legal action came from a single individual speaking without authority for the NFB and most definitely speaking out of turn, unfortunately this is the part most media seems to have been focussing on. You could argue whether this is the right approach or not but frankly it wasnt really intended as anything more than a campaign goal to encourage as I said a broader spectrum of apps to be accessible and what the NFB chooses to do with its time is none of our business so long as they dont start giving blind people a bad name, which they havent.Ill also point out that the trouble with voice chat is with things like Skype you need to first find someone to voice chat with. The major dating sites are also notoriously inaccessible and yes dating sites are a viable thing in this modern age, look at how much business they get. While Id much rather see mainstream dating sites made accessible I dont have the resources to force this and the organisations that do seem to lack any interest in doing so. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185118#p185118 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating I think this is a great idea for those who dont have the privlage of modern technology. Not to mention, nothing like hearing someones voice instead of poking around on dating sites, or hoping someone might contact you from one of those sites. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185124#p185124 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : philip_bennefall via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hi guys,Ive been following this thread with interest, and would like to make a few brief comments. First, thanks a ton to those who are trying it out! Im really enjoying watching the database grow.Now, regarding some of the other comments:@Oriol: Certainly I have better things to do with my time. I have lots of projects going, but every now and then I like to try something Ive never done before and really just explore some new territory. I have always thought that these old style phone lines seemed kind of fun and wanted to try my hands at making one. I spent about two weeks on it, so not something that took months and months to do but afforded me an enjoyable learning experience. As I said in the original post, it was very much a pet project that I dont intend to spend years on. Smile.@aaron: My intention was never to try to make something groundbreaking, or something that would replace something el se in some way. Skype is great, and I use it daily. But as was previously mentioned, you need to have found someone already if youre going to Skype with them. Whether someone chooses to do that through a forum, a dating service, or in a bar is up to them. If youre not interested in the system or feel that it is not useful, meaningful etc, thats obviously your call. I am under no delusion that the system will become huge, or that it will be particularly popular. I made it, its here, and those who like it can use it. Those who are not interested are of course free to use something else. How you get Apple and the NFB into this is beyond me and I wont go there.Now on a more positive note, as I said I am really glad that so many people have already spent the time checking out the system. If you tried it but didnt understand something, didnt like a particular feature or want some additions/changes, by all means do let me know! Im always happy to consider requests for new functionality etc, and of course if you find any bugs let me know as well. Im going to improve the layout of the website over the next few days, too. Currently it looks terrible and its embarrassing. Laughs.Hope to see some more of you on the line!Kind regards,Philip Bennefall URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185132#p185132 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Personally, what simultaneously frightens and saddens me is how much blind people feel the need to proceed as if the rest of the world doesnt really exist. Perhaps this is why every time I come back to this site I usually feel like someone looking in from the outside rather than someone who has been a part of it for the better part of 5 years. I wont say I havent talked to great people, wont say I havent had many a great conversation or seen many a great bit of writing on here. What I will say is that being blind doesnt limit me to seeking sighted friendships and having them.Up until the year 2009 I hadnt the slightest idea this community even existed. While I knew I wasnt the only one, I also figured that everyone else would feel as I did, that being blind wasnt more than a thing, a matter of which one must deal with in life because it is as it is, and then going on with life, talking to ev eryone else and not being limited by a label. I was well aware of our necessities; the concept of accessibility existed in my mind even though I had no word for it, not ever having really spoken to blind people. it wasnt out of disrespect or hatred or anything malevolent; it was much more simple than that; being blind didnt make a person worth talking to in my eyes. Thats not the same as being blind being equated to worthlessness, but if that was your defining characteristic in life, then Id have to say there really wasnt much left to know about you. when I came across this forum and its members I set about figuring it all out.I found myself disappointed more often than not at the complacency that seemed to have settled over blind and visually impaired people, a sort of peace at the prospect of there being no possibility of acceptance in a majorly sighted world. Let me make myself clear before one of you decides to t ake off my head; I have no issue with blind people talking to other blind people. What I find incredibly disturbing is when one exclusively limits ones self to nothing but blind people, making excuses as to why they cannot integrate into a sighted world, all the while claiming they are normal. How could sighted people ever see any of us as anything else other than blind people if that is the only side of us we are showing? What kind of message are we sending as a whole when we arent willing to take the risks necessary to be part of the world rather than trying to create a little world of our own? Where is the chalenge worth fighting for in a community that refuses to open itself up to greater possibilities by simply looking for every day perspectives from every day people, and how can a community of this nature thrive on anything productive, anything which isnt a ces pool of drama, of insults and cliquish, nonsensical banter for long?I was shocked when no more than a month ago I saw what could possibly be the most stupid slogan Ive ever seen in my life on a website that claimed to be dedicated to blind daiting; Love is blind, and so are you. I wanted it to be a joke; I even laughed about it... I wanted it to be a joke so bad I had to run it past sighted friends who laughed along with me. Deep down inside though, joke or not, I knew it was a great possibility, nay, probability that yet another one of these ideas had sprung up once again, and the dread that filled me was incredible. Ive tried to give it little thought... Until now. Far be it from me to claim that anyone who does things like this has good or bad intentions when doing so. I cant help but wonder though, what kind of thought process would compel this sort of action and why? I know Ill never have AOL as it was back in 2003, back in the days when I could wander into any of the various chat rooms and see more than 30 people connected at a time and it wasnt about braille equipment and screen readers, not about accessible software and the cheapest hardware solutions for the blind, not about whos program was better than whos and the whys and why nots. Was there fights? Yes, but there always is, and they had nothing to do with being blind. Was their disagreements? Yes, but again, they had nothing to do with being blind. Social networking progressed and we went from AOL and MSN to MySpace, Facebook and Twitter. ON the surface though, while the technology is different and the rules have changed, the people are still pretty much the same. Its not always easy to convince people that I am but another person just like them, a person with my own oppinions and ideas, a person capable of as much and in some cases more than they are. I refuse however,to throw up my hands and say that such obstacles are the end. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185157#p185157 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating At nocturnus: Personally i have seen this argument come up here and there on this forum for a while. Blind people are never going to fit in with the sighted world if they dont come out of there shell. I think the critical point that you didnt mention in your post is quite simply, that not everyone, like me for example, do not fall in to the category of only associating with other blind people. While i know you certainly didnt mean to insult anyone, i cant help feeling slightly offended, only because im currently seeking a very mainstream career in the tech industry, and dont really appreciate being lumped in to a category just because i have a disability. Dont worry, you didnt say anything to piss me off, but the tone of your post suggests you were directing your comments at the forum as a whole, dissreguarding whether people have lives outside blind internet boards like this one. Personaly, i would advise not trying to mentally cate gorize any group in to a set number of perceived stereotypes, and then making it public, as your bound to bug someone. Again, i know its not your intention to come across in a negativ sense, but man, think before you post please. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185163#p185163 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating At nocturnus: Personally i have seen this argument come up here and there on this forum for a while. Blind people are never going to fit in with the sighted world if they dont come out of there shell. I think the critical point that you didnt mention in your post is quite simply, that not everyone, like me for example, do not fall in to the category of only associating with other blind people. While i know you certainly didnt mean to insult anyone, i cant help feeling slightly offended, only because im currently seeking a very mainstream career in the tech industry, and dont really appreciate being lumped in to a category just because i have a disability. Dont worry, you didnt say anything to piss me off, but the tone of your post suggests you were directing your comments at the forum as a whole, dissreguarding whether people have lives outside blind internet boards like this one. Personally, i would advise not trying to mentally cat egorize any group in to a set number of perceived stereotypes, and then making it public, as your bound to bug someone. Again, i know its not your intention to come across in a negativ sense, but man, think before you post please. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185163#p185163 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : philip_bennefall via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating @Nocturnus: Well said. I definitely agree with the above. And to clarify a little, the title that I chose actually has nothing to do with blindness as such. The title is meant to be read The (blind date) line. If blind people use it that is not something I have the slightest problem with, obviously, but that was never the only target group. The title refers to the fact that youre finding random strangers. I hope this makes sense. If people assumed that it meant a date line only for blind people, that is not correct.Kind regards,Philip Bennefall URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185164#p185164 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hello.I wasnt going to post this, but I decided I will.This is probably going to be somewhat of a rant. regarding posts 5 and 6, I fail to comprehend why it is necessary to bash Philips work simply because a large number of people do not use telephone systems anymore. Its not like youre being forced to use such a system, however it is there if you feel the desire to use it.Philip said in his first post that he had fun creating this side project. I also find it somewhat sad that it was said that he could have found a better use for his time. Obviously, if he had fun doing the project, wants to improve upon it and would like to see how much interest people would have in it, hes using his time quite well, regardless of the technology hes using to do it.One more thing, pulling The National Federation for the Blind and the royal national institute for the blind is going way off topic. About that topic though, I fully agree w ith @Arqmeisters post.I personally dont think Ill be using this system, but to those who are, have fun and enjoy. And thanks Philip for sharing your project. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185190#p185190 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hello.I wasnt going to post this, but I decided I will.This is probably going to be somewhat of a rant. regarding posts 5 and 6, I fail to comprehend why it is necessary to bash Philips work simply because a large number of people do not use telephone systems anymore. Its not like youre being forced to use such a system, however it is there if you feel the desire to do so. Philip said in his first post that he had fun creating this side project. I also find it somewhat sad that it was said that he could have found a better use for his time. Obviously, if he had fun doing the project, wants to improve upon it and would like to see how much interest people would have in it, hes using his time quite well, regardless of the technology hes using to do it.One more thing, pulling The National Federation for the Blind and the royal national institute for the blind is going way off topic. About that topic though, I fully agree with @A rqmeisters post.I personally dont think Ill be using this system, but to those who are, have fun and enjoy. And thanks Philip for sharing your project. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185190#p185190 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hello.I wasnt going to post this, but I decided I will.This is probably going to be somewhat of a rant. regarding posts 5 and 6, I fail to comprehend why it is necessary to bash Philips work simply because a large number of people do not use telephone systems anymore. Its not like youre being forced to use such a system, however it is there if you feel the desire to do so. Philip said in his first post that he had fun creating this side project. I also find it somewhat sad that it was said that he could have found a better use for his time. Obviously, if he had fun creating the project, wants to improve upon it and would like to see how much interest people would have in it, hes using his time quite well, regardless of the technology hes using to do it.One more thing, pulling The National Federation for the Blind and the royal national institute for the blind is going way off topic. About that topic though, I fully agree with @Arqmeisters post.I personally dont think Ill be using this system, but to those who are, have fun and enjoy. And thanks Philip for sharing your project. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185190#p185190 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hello.I wasnt going to post this, but I decided I will.This is probably going to be somewhat of a rant. regarding posts 5 and 6, I fail to comprehend why it is necessary to bash Philips work simply because a large number of people do not use telephone systems anymore. Its not like youre being forced to use such a system, however it is there if you feel the desire to do so. Philip said in his first post that he had fun creating this side project. I also find it somewhat sad that it was said that he could have found a better use for his time. Obviously, if he had fun creating the project, wants to improve upon it and would like to see how much interest people would have in it, hes using his time quite well, regardless of the technology hes using to do it.One more thing, pulling The National Federation for the Blind and the royal national institute for the blind is going way off topic. About that topic though, I fully agree with @Nocturnuss post.I personally dont think Ill be using this system, but to those who are, have fun and enjoy. And thanks Philip for sharing your project. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185190#p185190 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hello.I wasnt going to post this, but I decided I will.This is probably going to be somewhat of a rant. regarding posts 5 and 6, I cant see why it is necessary to bash Philips work simply because a large number of people do not use telephone systems anymore. Its not like youre being forced to use such a system, however it is there if you feel the desire to do so. Philip said in his first post that he had fun creating this side project. I also find it somewhat sad that it was said that he could have found a better use for his time. Obviously, if he had fun creating the project, wants to improve upon it and would like to see how much interest people would have in it, hes using his time quite well, regardless of the technology hes using to do it.One more thing, pulling The National Federation for the Blind and the royal national institute for the blind is going way off topic. About that topic though, I fully agree with @Noct urnuss post.I personally dont think Ill be using this system, but to those who are, have fun and enjoy. And thanks Philip for sharing your project. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185197#p185197 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Thank you for clarifying, Phil. Your post, while short, was certainly full of insight and helped me to understand what you were after.@arq,Because apologizing for what I stated above would compromise precisely what I stated above, Im afraid I cannot in good conscience say Im sorry. This is not a standard I simply hold other people to and am admonishing others for; its what I expect of myself. Let me say that once again; I expect it of myself. Were I to say this and not actively practice it I would be a hypocrite on so many levels. I pondered it for hours and discussed it with my father before posting it, who not only agreed, but also gave me a bit I didnt actually place up here which to me was an eye opener; no pun intended. He stated emphatically that any blind people who refused to deal with this aspect of life were not only doing themselves a disservice by not integrating with the sighted world, but were being selfish in that by doing so one deprives every day people of knowing them for who and what they truly are rather than just seeing them as blind entities. Certainly there will always be ignorance from sighted individuals, but that goes along another discussion that was brought up in the past on this forum not too long ago about how the nature of humankind is judgmental by default.Every thing we do, every decision we make from our choice of words to the way we dress sends a message and gives someone else a perception, and every perception will be at the very least, slightly different from the next or result in extreme difference. Take your post and Phils for instance. While you might have seen my post as something that could be construed as lashing out and categorizing this particular forum, he saw it as an opportunity to further elaborate on what he hopes will arise as the result of his project, and as far as I can tell, was not at all personally offended, which brings me to what I will appologise for.Im sorry you took such a personal stance on the issue, sorry that the few lines in post 14 that I dedicated to the fact that I have indeed met quite a few people on this forum and off of it in the blind community as a whole with whom I have held many a great conversation and have colaberated with in the past wasnt enough to persuade you that I wasnt after you or anyone else on this forum for any reason, not to categorise or antagonize or anything else of a negative nature. Im sorry you believe I wasnt thinking before I posted all of the above, because I gave it as much contemplation as I could, have been giving it a lot of contemplation over the past 4 or 5 years, and have always drawn the same conclusions. Im sorry I hurt or disappointed you in any way, particularly since were supposed to be working together, and because my aim was not to pull anyone down; quite the contrary. If theres anything that being in wrestling taught me though, its that sometimes the truth is brutal; plain and simple. It needs to be spoken as it is, not sugarcoated or beaten and grounded to paste by political correctness.all that aside, for anyone else who might feel offended by it, I will clarify again. for those of you who have already made it out of this so-called category I seemed to have created without wanting to or who are trying their hardest to do so, congratulations. My hat would be off to you but I have none. Keep going; dont ever believe youre less than a person with just as much right as any other person. For those of you who havent, this isnt a rant and rave about how everyone who decides to partake in such actions as simply talking to blind people is worthless or useless or anything negative; indeed it is because Ive seen what this community as a whole is capable of that I write everything I write. There are many other things I could be doing right now, relaxing being one of them. What I want you to know is that because my hope for the community as a whole is as much prosperity as possible in a world that is already tough enough for sighted people to deal with, it may be necessary to reevaluate and consider all of the options on the table.History tells us about a man named Niccolò Paganini , a great violinist, composer and overall musician. During one of his performances, a string broke on his violin. For those of you who do not recognize the instrument, the violin has four strings, and one might argue that every single one of them is critical to the instrument and the style of music it plays. To Paganini, a string breaking was nothing but a thing. he continued playing, undaunted by the fact that he had just lost an essential part of what seemed to make him a violin virtuoso.As he progressed, yet another string decided it had had enough and joined the first. Left with only two strings, Paganini might have been tempted to quit; we may never know. What we do know is that he continued playing as though nothing had yet happened. Nearing the end
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Thank you for clarifying, Phil. Your post, while short, was certainly full of insight and helped me to understand what you were after.@arq,Because apologizing for what I stated above would compromise precisely what I stated above, Im afraid I cannot in good conscience say Im sorry. This is not a standard I simply hold other people to and am admonishing others for; its what I expect of myself. Let me say that once again; I expect it of myself. Were I to say this and not actively practice it I would be a hypocrite on so many levels. I pondered it for hours and discussed it with my father before posting it, who not only agreed, but also gave me a bit I didnt actually place up here which to me was an eye opener; no pun intended. He stated emphatically that any blind people who refused to deal with this aspect of life were not only doing themselves a disservice by not integrating with the sighted world, but were being selfish in that by doing so one deprives every day people of knowing them for who and what they truly are rather than just seeing them as blind entities. Certainly there will always be ignorance from sighted individuals, but that goes along another discussion that was brought up in the past on this forum not too long ago about how the nature of humankind is judgmental by default.Every thing we do, every decision we make from our choice of words to the way we dress sends a message and gives someone else a perception, and every perception will be at the very least, slightly different from the next or result in extreme difference. Take your post and Phils for instance. While you might have seen my post as something that could be construed as lashing out and categorizing this particular forum, he saw it as an opportunity to further elaborate on what he hopes will arise as the result of his project, and as far as I can tell, was not at all personally offended, which brings me to what I will appologise for.Im sorry you took such a personal stance on the issue, sorry that the few lines in post 14 that I dedicated to the fact that I have indeed met quite a few people on this forum and off of it in the blind community as a whole with whom I have held many a great conversation and have colaberated with in the past wasnt enough to persuade you that I wasnt after you or anyone else on this forum for any reason, not to categorise or antagonize or anything else of a negative nature. Im sorry you believe I wasnt thinking before I posted all of the above, because I gave it as much contemplation as I could, have been giving it a lot of contemplation over the past 4 or 5 years, and have always drawn the same conclusions. Im sorry I hurt or disappointed you in any way, particularly since were supposed to be working together, and because my aim was not to pull anyone down; quite the contrary. If theres anything that being in wrestling taught me though, its that sometimes the truth is brutal; plain and simple. It needs to be spoken as it is, not sugarcoated or beaten and grounded to paste by political correctness.all that aside, for anyone else who might feel offended by it, I will clarify again. for those of you who have already made it out of this so-called category I seemed to have created without wanting to or who are trying their hardest to do so, congratulations. My hat would be off to you but I have none. Keep going; dont ever believe youre less than a person with just as much right as any other person. For those of you who havent, this isnt a rant and rave about how everyone who decides to partake in such actions as simply talking to blind people is worthless or useless or anything negative; indeed it is because Ive seen what this community as a whole is capable of that I write everything I write. There are many other things I could be doing right now, relaxing being one of them. What I want you to know is that because my hope for the community as a whole is as much prosperity as possible in a world that is already tough enough for sighted people to deal with, it may be necessary to reevaluate and consider all of the options on the table.History tells us about a man named Niccolò Paganini , a great violinist, composer and overall musician. During one of his performances, a string broke on his violin. For those of you who do not recognize the instrument, the violin has four strings, and one might argue that every single one of them is critical to the instrument and the style of music it plays. To Paganini, a string breaking was nothing but a thing. he continued playing, undaunted by the fact that he had just lost an essential part of what seemed to make him a violin virtuoso.As he progressed, yet another string decided it had had enough and joined the first. Left with only two strings, Paganini might have been tempted to quit; we may never know. What we do know is that he continued playing as though nothing had yet happened. Nearing the end
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Thank you for clarifying, Phil. Your post, while short, was certainly full of insight and helped me to understand what you were after.@arq,Because apologizing for what I stated above would compromise precisely what I stated above, Im afraid I cannot in good conscience say Im sorry. This is not a standard I simply hold other people to and am admonishing others for; its what I expect of myself. Let me say that once again; I expect it of myself. Were I to say this and not actively practice it I would be a hypocrite on so many levels. I pondered it for hours and discussed it with my father before posting it, who not only agreed, but also gave me a bit I didnt actually place up here which to me was an eye opener; no pun intended. He stated emphatically that any blind people who refused to deal with this aspect of life were not only doing themselves a disservice by not integrating with the sighted world, but were being selfish in that by doing so one deprives every day people of knowing them for who and what they truly are rather than just seeing them as blind entities. Certainly there will always be ignorance from sighted individuals, but that goes along another discussion that was brought up in the past on this forum not too long ago about how the nature of humankind is judgmental by default.Every thing we do, every decision we make from our choice of words to the way we dress sends a message and gives someone else a perception, and every perception will be at the very least, slightly different from the next or result in extreme difference. Take your post and Phils for instance. While you might have seen my post as something that could be construed as lashing out and categorizing this particular forum, he saw it as an opportunity to further elaborate on what he hopes will arise as the result of his project, and as far as I can tell, was not at all personally offended, which brings me to what I will appologise for.Im sorry you took such a personal stance on the issue, sorry that the few words in post 14 that I dedicated to the fact that I have indeed met quite a few people on this forum and off of it in the blind community as a whole with whom I have held many a great conversation and have colaberated with in the past wasnt enough to persuade you that I wasnt after you or anyone else on this forum for any reason, not to categorise or antagonize or anything else of a negative nature. Im sorry you believe I wasnt thinking before I posted all of the above, because I gave it as much contemplation as I could, have been giving it a lot of contemplation over the past 4 or 5 years, and have always drawn the same conclusions. Im sorry I hurt or disappointed you in any way, particularly since were supposed to be working together, and because my aim was not to pull anyone down; quite the contrary. If theres anything that being in wrestling taught me though, its that sometimes the truth is brutal; plain and simple. It needs to be spoken as it is, not sugarcoated or beaten and grounded to paste by political correctness.all that aside, for anyone else who might feel offended by it, I will clarify again. for those of you who have already made it out of this so-called category I seemed to have created without wanting to or who are trying their hardest to do so, congratulations. My hat would be off to you but I have none. Keep going; dont ever believe youre less than a person with just as much right as any other person. For those of you who havent, this isnt a rant and rave about how everyone who decides to partake in such actions as simply talking to blind people is worthless or useless or anything negative; indeed it is because Ive seen what this community as a whole is capable of that I write everything I write. There are many other things I could be doing right now, relaxing being one of them. What I want you to know is that because my hope for the community as a whole is as much prosperity as possible in a world that is already tough enough for sighted people to deal with, it may be necessary to reevaluate and consider all of the options on the table.History tells us about a man named Niccolò Paganini , a great violinist, composer and overall musician. During one of his performances, a string broke on his violin. For those of you who do not recognize the instrument, the violin has four strings, and one might argue that every single one of them is critical to the instrument and the style of music it plays. To Paganini, a string breaking was nothing but a thing. he continued playing, undaunted by the fact that he had just lost an essential part of what seemed to make him a violin virtuoso.As he progressed, yet another string decided it had had enough and joined the first. Left with only two strings, Paganini might have been tempted to quit; we may never know. What we do know is that he continued playing as though nothing had yet happened. Nearing the end
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating I do tend to find the lack of inclusivity, which is why I rather find places and groups that look at the situation as a whole rather than with what they only have For one to be successful, in my opinion, one must see things from as broad as possible, and open their minds. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185236#p185236 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
[New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
2014-08-16
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[New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hi all!For the last couple of weeks, Ive been working on a really fun pet project. I have built a little phone system that I call the Blind Date Line. You choose some criteria for the types of people youd like to talk to, and optionally record a little presentation of yourself for others to hear. You can then browse the profiles of all the users who match your specific criteria, and of course respond to the ones that interest you. You also get your own personal inbox where you can listen to messages sent to you by others.This system is primarily intended for dating, but there is a friendship category as well. So even if youre not looking for dating/romance, you are more than welcome to sign up and hopefully meet some new friends. Currently you can call the system either by using a phone number in California (USA), or directly using a SIP client. If you use the first option, the cost is the same as for a regular land line call to Ca lifornia. I have plans to set up numbers in other areas/countries as well (feel free to suggest some!) If you call through the so called SIP protocol, the call is completely free. For more information as well as instructions on how to call in to the system, please visit http://www.blinddateline.com). Please note that the website is still under construction, so not all the features mentioned on the actual phone line are currently implemented. The system is very new, and Im just posting here to see if there is any interest. If I find that people enjoy using it, I have lots of plans for changes and additions.As I mentioned earlier, the service is free other than the charge for the call if you use the regular phone number.Thanks for reading, and please do give the system a try! I look forward to your feedback!Kind regards,Philip Bennefall URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185028#p185028 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating
Re: [New service] Free phone system for friendship/dating Hmm, curious. How does profile identification work? I notice theres no online signup so I assume theres some kind of over the phone registration? Does it just give you a numeric user ID to enter when you call?The biggest issue I think you might have is user uptake. The fewer users you have the less likely someone is to sign up, a very difficult chicken and egg situation. I very much hope you can overcome it though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=185059#p185059 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
