Re: Book recommendations urgently needed
Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @BGT Lover, yeah, read Huxley quite a few years ago, it was interesting to compare with Orwell's 1984, indeed I've seen those two along with handmaid's tale called the three great dystopias. Huxley was an interesting idea philosophically, though slightly dated in some scientific and social ideas, EG the importance of sleep teaching. Orwell's is more shocking and though he was probably wrong about the consequences of surveillance, look around society today and you'll find some really frightening examples of double think (there are some very scary ones around Donald Trump). Obviously Atwood is different again, being more character focused, and focused on a dystopea which specifically exacerbates the more horrible social and religious extreme opression and control of women and reproduction, as well as a more general social totalitarianism. All three are worth reading imho, though Huxley's is probably the most entertaining as a novel, while the other two are just plane grim.@Camlorn, Ericson, as I said, I probably need to try. I have heard if people get through the first book, the rest of the series is okay, but the first book can be a bit slow and incomprehensible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580933/#p580933 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @35O right, trans, I think. Yeah. It's been a while since I've read them. Unfortunately, among many other things, The City We Became definitely makes a thing of it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580800/#p580800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Tonkee, or whatever her name is, presents as female, but has biologically male sexual equipment. It's just sort of dropped in when Tonkee is washing herself or something. No fanfare, never an issue made of it. It's just something that happens. God, if only. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580788/#p580788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @33Huh, I actually entirely forgot they even had a gay character. It's very much not central to the plot; by the end of the second one they have much bigger problems.It's a shame the city we became was meh. Not sure how they can do something as good as those, then follow it up with something that I just gave up on near the beginning, but eh. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580787/#p580787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed I'll tell you why the Fifth Season didn't come up. One reason, and one only. I forgot.That was an amazing book though, and I'm going to read the second one soon. Add it to my list from my first post in this thread. It's an excellent blend of fantasy and soft sci-fi, with strong characters, a good plot, tight writing and some really excellent philosophical points. An adult book though; if you want to read something that will be all squeamish about sex and gender and the like, you won't find it here. Jemisin just plunks this sort of thing into her fiction with no fuss or fanfare, which is enormously refreshing even though I'm a cis-het white dude. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580777/#p580777 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Thing about Malazn is either you love it or you hate it but I have yet to find someone with an opinion in between. Being as I haven't recommended it, you can probably guess what camp I'm in there.Not sure how Jemisin's recent work hasn't come up: The Fifth Season and sequels are very good speculative fiction. Whether it counts as sci-fi or fantasy is up to you: on the one hand it has magic, but on the other they're after the end of highly technical magic-using civilizations. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580771/#p580771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed another one you guys might be interested in is also one of my favourites, somewhere in the fifth place, I'm talking about a brave new world by Aldous Huxley. yeah, it's not sf or dark fantesy, instead, it's...dk how to call this kind of books...an eutopia novel? anyway, what I like the most is both the way he layed out the action and built the characters, as well as the more deep and philosophical aspects of the work, like what does that eutopic world really mean at a deeper level? maybe what it appears to, just fiction? maybe, more likely, it can be interpreted as a symbol for the ignorance of most humans, the inability or unwillingness to step and see beyond the safety of their confort zone, waring ignorance like a cloke to hide them from the real world? you see, this book is interesting in more ways than one, that's why it comes just after laundry files in my list.p.s. Once I finish this message, I'll probably break my screen from frustration, I hate this horid keyboard, I really aught to install gboard, this swiftkey is crap. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580766/#p580766 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @bgt lover, I did consider recommending the wheel of time, but there's already a long topic about that and about fantasy books so thought I'd hold off on the WoT discussion here too much. I still need to try thee Stephen Ericson stuff, the webmaster of fantasybookreview.co.uk lists it as one of his favourite series, and since he's also a huge fan of other authors I like like William Horwood that is a good reason. Actually, anyone looking for something extremely different, which does deel with religious and philosophical questions, as well as being a great, long and complex saga William Horwood's duncton series, especially the first trilogy aka the duncton chronicles, and even more especially books 2 and 3. The story involves a society of moles living around Britain. They're limited mostly to the ways moles naturally behave, they mate in spring, live in burrows, eat worms etc, however equally have their own society, religious beliefs, and indeed religious wars, characters with love and hate, loss, triumph and spirituality. The series deals with both religious faith and religious mania, the natural world, insist, the nature of evil, redenption and damnation, romance, and of course a lot about nature. it's sort of hard to some up easily, but lets just say along with lord of the Rings it's one of those books I go back to every few years. Oh, and as a bonus, the moles even write in braille, or at least "scribe", texts in a written language which is felt by touch :d.Horwood also wrote a sequel series set generations later called the book of silence, which were good and worth reading, but not perhaps as transcendently amazing as books 2 and 3 of the first trilogy. Indeed, Iv'e considered doing a blog reread of Duncton, chapter by chapter with commentary. Oh and Wing of Iturnity, I wouldn't say they're close to Schopenhauer, but worth reading nonetheless. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580759/#p580759 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed I wander why didn't anyone recommend the malazan book of the fallen series? or, even better, the wheel of time? I am writing from the phone, so can't write so much with this fucked up keyboard, but I guess people who are into those things know what I'm talking about. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580757/#p580757 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2020-10-16
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed thanks dark, I never heard of it before, but I have heard of octavia Buttler's writings. I have gotten intrested in the philosophy of Schopenhower, and I wanted to find some fantasy/sci-fi books that may be bare his influence. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580715/#p580715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed If you want litrpg that's not focused on the system, you want Dungeon Crawler Carl. it's not very big on character development, but is as well-written as pick a mainstream novel. Unfortunately the first book is now Kindle, not Royal Road.If you want Litrpg that doesn't have a system at all, the daily grind is about a guy who discovers an infinite office inside his real one, with things like living staplers and decision trees that are actually trees. Much better than it sounds, but the nerdiest thing I have ever read and decidedly an acquired taste. you wouldn't expect it to involve domesticated computer monsters, living memetic entities, dragon mecas, and the ability to grow gods in a lab from the description, and yet it does.Neither are finished, neither are exactly heavy on character development. But both are well enough written that if litrpg were more mainstream they could probably get traditional publishers. Problem with most litrpg is that it's terribly written, full of typos, etc. It's very hard to find polished ones.To list a few more of these: Delve, which has pacing issues but now he's planning to get an airship. Wake of the Ravager, which has characterization issues but now he's running a kingdom and can use powers gained from sort-of-extradimensional monsters.And for something incredibly angsty and long, there's always Worth the Candle, which unfortunately seems to have gone on hiatus or something recently but is, like, I guess the Song of Ice and Fire of litrpg or something, in the sense that it takes and subverts every trope of the genre up to and including the main character being heroic in the first place (he tries, but has still managed to kill probably something on the order of 5 to 10 people, reading between the lines, and is just generally a fucked up person. Very much the most adult litrpg out there that I've seen, but not in a cheap way). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580691/#p580691 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Hello,Lucas 1853, that it is. Unfortunately a lot of the books have very in depth system option definition in them to the point that it's more like a guidebook for an online game rather than a story, and you have to remind yourself what was the actual story. What I posted though, although sometimes focuses on how the game system works, is for the most part story and character baste.what is interesting for me in this genre is the progress of an everyday man into a powerhouse, and the intricate way of the character using and sometimes exploiting the limitations the game/world puts on the players.and while I'm at it, read awaken online by travis bagwell. It was the first book I red in LITRPG genre, and it was a very good start for me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580674/#p580674 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed The disclaimer about Litrpg is that it's cool, but the probable reason that it hasn't broken through into the mainstream is that the focus of the genre is on the system, not on the characters. The most important thing in litrpg is building the story around the system, not the system around the story. There are exceptions though that manage to fit both system and character development in. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580646/#p580646 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Hello,Thank you for helping me create my future read list. Literally I just created the TXT file .Let me tri to return the favor with a few recommendations of my oan. These are the books I enjoyed immensely.2 things, first, I'm not good at summarizing so I'll put the related pages of websites for you to read about them. second, I'm really into.LITRPG,so you are going to sea a few of these hear.the series orion colony, open's the related goodreads page.the series renegade star, opens the related fictionDB page. boath by J.N. ChaneyThese 2 are very distantly related. By which I mean a few technologies of the orion colony will surface on renegade star books. So if you want to read boath, read orion first.the murder bot diaries, by martha wells. Wikipedia pageread the audiobook if possible. kevin R free did a very good narration of these books.now for LITRPGsThe series chaos seeds, by aleron kong. opens the audible pagethe emerilia series by michael chatfield, opens the goodreads pagethe divine dungeon books, opens the goodreads page. (I hope) the completionist books, boath by Dakota Krout. again goodreads page.the series reality benders by michael atamanov, goodreads page.Among the LITRPG's I've red, these are most different to each other. In chaos seeds, the game is not really a game but a world. in emerilia, the real world is not real. matrix like. the game is actually the reality.in divine dungeon, nothing is a game, in completionist, well, it is undecided for me, and in reality benders, the game directly affects the real world.hope you enjoy these if you read them like I did. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580611/#p580611 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @Camlorn, I was pleasantly surprised with peace talks, since though it had the patant Dresden winjing and acquiring more power, it had far more setup and danger and actually progressed both relationships and the world, indeed it feels like we're actually heading into an endgame scenario here with potentially world changing events, assuming Butcher doesn't just retcon things in the next book. Lol, wing of Eternity, you pretty much describe game of thrones there ;D. Though also, if you want to see series with no actual villains, but a lot of moral viewpoints causing problems, including people going to extreme lengths to support their own ideas, check out the gallactic Milieu by Julian May. It's a slow series, with a lot of world building, psychic powers, weird aliens and family drama, and so not for people who want intensive action, for all it does have a intensive action scenes here and there and even psychic battles, but the concepts and ideas it gets into are fantastic, particularly because May definitely has a sense of humour. to say one character literally goes from hiding his pregnant mother from bureaucratic aliens who have forbidden her from reproducing in the first book, to literally experimenting on self aware foetuses and destroying entire planets in the third book, and yet none of what he does ever feels inconsistent or jarring with his previous character or philosophy. She's written a hole bunch of books set in the same universe, indeed Galactic Milieu is both the end and the beginning of the series (time travel paradoxes are fun), and my lady and I really want to read more of them.Also, check out Library at Mount char by Scott Hawkins if you really want alien and morally ambiguous protagonists who have a completely different view of reality and what good and evil actually are. I'm also sort of tempted to suggest Octavia Butler's Lilith's brude, as a trilogy where literally nobody is entirely right, accept that the third book really went off the rales in terms of going from coping with a different morality, to applauding actions which are pretty reprehensible, also, her generally universally awful view of humanity as a hole even made me wince, and cross over line from coping with alien circumstances, as in her novella Bloodchild, into glorying in humanity itself being exploited, changed beyond recognition and literally destroyed as a species. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580623/#p580623 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Hello,Thank you for helping me create my future read list. Literally I just created the TXT file .Let me tri to return the favor with a few recommendations of my oan. These are the books I enjoyed immensely.2 things, first, I'm not good at summarizing so I'll put the related pages of websites for you to read about them. second, I'm really into.LITRPG,so you are going to sea a few of these hear.the series orion colony, open's the related goodreads page.the series renegade star, opens the related fictionDB page. boath by J.N. ChaneyThese 2 are very distantly related. By which I mean a few technologies of the orion colony will surface on renegade star books. So if you want to read boath, read orion first.the murder bot diaries, by martha wells. Wikipedia pageread the audiobook if possible. kevin R free did a very good narration of these books.now for LITRPGsThe series chaos seeds, by aleron kong. opens the audible pagethe emerilia series by michael chatfield, opens the goodreads pagethe divine dungeon books, opens the goodreads page. (I hope) the completionist books, boath by Dakota Krout. again goodreads page.the series reality benders by michael atamanov, goodreads page.Among the LITRPG's I've red, these are most different to each other. In chaos seeds, the game is not really a game but a world. in emerilia, the real world is not real. matrix like.in divine dungeon, nothing is a game, in completionist, well, it is undecided for me, and in reality benders, the game directly affects the real world.hope you enjoy these if you read them like I did. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580611/#p580611 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Book recommendations urgently needed
2020-10-16
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed well can someone recommand abook in which one of the characters is nihilistic but at the same time he or she wants to find inter order, but he or she bings chaos. I would want to find a book with bypolar character someone who is nither hero nore villan. Where some characters believe in a perfect reallity while others want to turn the world in to it's crwelest form. is there such a book? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580610/#p580610 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed are we doing regular books or graphicaudio too? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580566/#p580566 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Unfortunately, recent Dresden Files really sucks now. IMO it stops being fun after Changes. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580560/#p580560 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed I feel like the Dresden Files hit that sweet spot for me. Main character does succeed more often than not, even against some pretty insane odds, and he's kind of a jerk and smug as hell at times. But he's also fallible, gets hurt, suffers losses, makes mistakes. For me, that's the "rule of cool" in a nutshell. It works for me. It's not the deepest or most profound fiction I've ever read, but it works, and it's snappy and relatively complicated in places. I would probably fall on Dark's side of the fence with the Red Rising stuff; there comes a point where it's just too damn big and loud and "awesome" for me. That's okay though. Personal preference and all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580552/#p580552 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @camlorn, I have no problem with "rule of cool", if there is something to back it up or if I like the character enough to want to see them succeed. Likewise, I've read plenty of YA books I liked with big battles and lots of awesomeness, James Dashner's maze runner, heck, I recently gave Rachel Aaron's second heartstriker's book a pretty high rating for exactly the same thing. With Daro in the red rising books though, he was just such an invincible and insufferable arse that I was rarely if ever on his side, and there just wasn't enough else to hang the series on, since basically it all revolved around him and his habit of solving issues by Daro ex machina. Again, if people liked the series, fair enough, but even for a Ya novel which is an action romp, I just need a character I can actually want to see succeed, especially if we're in that character's head all the time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580545/#p580545 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @16You're kind of saying you didn't read it for all the reasons that those of us who thought they were good loved it. I'm 99% sure that it was written for a particular target audience from the start, and that that particular target audience all liked it. Book 3 was kind of meh though: very much ark fatigue.Anyone who wants reasonably well-written anime as a book will probably love them. They're entirely about rule of cool.I never went beyond book 3 because when your series runs on rule of cool sometimes it's just time to start over, but if they did another series set in some other universe I'd pick them up again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580542/#p580542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @Lucas1853, definitely more badass than the people in the red rising series, who just tell everyone they're badass because the main character is an egotistical arsehole . As to the red rising series, I wrote detailed reviews of the first three boks which can be found here on fantasybookreview.co.ukroughly speaking the reasons I hated them were the fact that the main character was an extreme succeedinator aka Mary sue, succeeded at everything, had a monumental ego, constantly telling the reader how awesome he personally is, as welll as a purile sense of humour, and the tendency to be a down right scuzbag and cause the kinds of torture and mass murder usually associated with villains, accept that the main character constantly praises himself for it even while he decries others. Combine this with blatant inconsistencies in the writing, dialogue which constantly reads like big power speeches from eighties cartoons, and general shallow characterisation and plotting (even going as far as blatantly damselling female characters just so the big hero can literally carry them off), and you have something which was all around pretty terrible! not, the worst I've ever read, but some of the lowest review scores I've ever given. It's a shame, I really liked some aspects of the world like the colour based society, and at least the vague attempt at a future history and bizantine politics (when not rather blatantly doing a hunger games ripoff). And The main character's going from slave to liberator might have been cathartic, if he actually felt like someone who'd ever been a slave rather than just constantly telling us how great he himself is (as I said, even making working in a mine sound badass). Had there actually been a vague possibility the good guys might loose or that the main character felt anything but his own awesomeness, some of the action sequences and battles might have been fun to read, indeed I liked a couple of the battles featuring other people.I kept hoping the series would improve, but after the third book, which seemed to be the end of the trilogy, and featured random mutilation and a disguise plot as hackneyed it might as well have come out of the old scooby doo cartoon, and I said enough was enough!Again, if others like the series for the action and world building, and don't mind a main character who is a boarderline psychotic narcissist with an ego the size of Olympus mons, fair enough, but personally I always find heroes more heroic when firstly they don't know they're heroic, and secondly where they feel underpowered. Indeed, to quote one of my own reviews, it doesn't matter if the author has a main character who must fight a thirty foot tall, fire breathing, zombie mecher Godzilla from Hell, with his bare hands, if the main character is literally so invinsible there is absolutely no possibility he will lose, because he is the best fighter in the author's entire universe! . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580533/#p580533 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @Lucas1853, definitely more badass than the people in the red rising series, who just tell everyone they're badass because the main character is an egotistical arsehole . As to the red rising series, I wrote detailed reviews of the first three boks which can be found here on fantasybookreview.co.ukroughly speaking the reasons I hated them were the fact that the main character was an extreme succeedinator aka Mary sue, succeeded at everything, had a monumental ego, constantly telling the reader how awesome he personally is, as welll as a purile sense of humour, and the tendency to be a down right scuzbag and cause the kinds of torture and mass murder usually associated with villains, accept that the main character constantly praises himself for it even while he decries others. Combine this with blatant inconsistencies in the writing, dialogue which constantly reads like big power speeches from eighties cartoons, and general shallow characterisation and plotting (even going as far as blatantly damselling female characters just so the big hero can literally carry them off), and you have something which was all around pretty terrible! not, the worst I've ever read, but some of the lowest review scores I've ever given. It's a shame, I really liked some aspects of the world like the colour based society, and at least the vague attempt at a future history and bizantine politics (when not rather blatantly doing a hunger games ripoff), and had there actually been a vague possibility the good guys might loose or that the main character felt anything but his own awesomeness, some of the action sequences and battles might have been fun to read.I kept hoping the series would improve, but after the third book, which seemed to be the end of the trilogy, and featured random mutilation and a disguise plot as hackneyed it might as well have come out of the old scooby doo cartoon, and I said enough was enough!Again, if others like the series for the action and world building, and don't mind a main character who is a boarderline psychotic narcissist with an ego the size of Olympus mons, fair enough . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580533/#p580533 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @Lucas1853, definitely more badass than the people in the red rising series, who just tell everyone they're badass because the main character is an egotistical arsehole . As to the red rising series, I wrote detailed reviews of the first three boks which can be found here on fantasybookreview.co.ukroughly speaking the reasons I hated them were the fact that the main character was an extreme succeedinator aka Mary sue, succeeded at everything, had a monumental ego, constantly telling the reader how awesome he personally is, as welll as a purile sense of humour, and the tendency to be a down right scuzbag and cause the kinds of torture and mass murder usually associated with villains, accept that the main character constantly praises himself for it even while he decries others. Combine this with blatant inconsistencies in the writing, dialogue which constantly reads like big power speeches from eighties cartoons, and general shallow characterisation and plotting (even going as far as blatantly damselling female characters just so the big hero can literally carry them off), and you have something which was all around pretty terrible! not, the worst I've ever read, but some of the lowest review scores I've ever given. It's a shame, I really liked some aspects of the world like the colour based society, and at least the vague attempt at a future history and bizantine politics (when not rather blatantly doing a hunger games ripoff), and had there actually been a vague possibility the good guys might loose or that the main character felt anything but his own awesomeness, some of the action sequences and battles might have been fun to read.I kept hoping the series would improve, but after the third book, which seemed to be the end of the trilogy, and featured random mutilation and a disguise plot as hackneyed it might as well have come out of the old scooby doo cartoon, and I said enough was enough!Again, if others like the series for the action and world building, and don't mind a main character who is a boarderline psychotic arse hole with an ego the size of Olympus mons, fair enough . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580533/#p580533 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @Lucas1853, definitely more badass than the people in the red rising series, who just tell everyone they're badass because the main character is an egotistical arsehole . As to the red rising series, I wrote detailed reviews of the first three boks which can be found here on fantasybookreview.co.ukroughly speaking the reasons I hated them were the fact that the main character was an extreme succeedinator aka Mary sue, succeeded at everything, had a monumental ego, constantly telling the reader how awesome he personally is, as welll as a purile sense of humour, and the tendency to be a down right scuzbag and cause the kinds of torture and mass murder usually associated with villains, accept that the main character constantly praises himself for it even while he decries others. Combine this with blatant inconsistencies in the writing, dialogue which constantly reads like big power speeches from eighties cartoons, and general shallow characterisation and plotting (even going as far as blatantly damselling female characters just so the big hero can literally carry them off), and you have something which was all around pretty terrible! not, the worst I've ever read, but some of the lowest review scores I've ever given. It's a shame, I really liked some aspects of the world like the colour based society, and at least the vague attempt at a future history and bizantine politics (when not rather blatantly doing a hunger games ripoff), and I kept hoping the series would improve, but after the third book, which seemed to be the end of the trilogy, and featured random mutilation and a disguise plot as hackneyed it might as well have come out of the old scooby doo cartoon, and I said enough was enough! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580533/#p580533 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @9I'm really interested to hear what you didn't like about the Red Rising series? They actually topped the list of "good stuff I read this year", which is honestly a pretty long list. I'd write some of them here, but none of the books really fall into the categories the OP was asking about, and honestly my reading recommendations tend to lead most people to ask how I've avoided drugs or a psych ward. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580520/#p580520 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed thank you everyone. I’m gonna get started on this right away. I have to agree with the previous post, the tag dark fantasy intrigued me and I think I will be starting with it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580514/#p580514 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed hey there@Jaide, thanks for the list of books you provided there. The titles actually got me trilled and i think i'll start with American Gods by Neil Gailman, and continue from there. I'm more interested by those horror books. redshirts doesn't get me so interested... not all sf does though.@Dark, i'm very, very curious to know why do you think the red rising series is awful? Or maibe i tought awful means bad Personally I've enjoyed the series a lot, especially the first 3 books, while the fourth one takes an unexpected turn and I did admit it left me with a bitter taste. It's one of my favourite series and i still give it a reread from time to time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580509/#p580509 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Dark, in the Hell Divers series, hell divers are people who parachute down from airships into the wasteland to gather supplies to keep the ships in working order. Without those people, the airships, which are the presumed only remaining humans in the world, would crash and everyone would die. Arguably a more badass job befitting a badass name, I think. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580506/#p580506 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Lol Dark. Maybe I am easy to impress but I really, really enjoyed his books. I think they are worth a try. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580504/#p580504 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed the half orks siris, buy daivid dalglish URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580497/#p580497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed I've actually got the nicholas Sansbury smith books. They looked like the sort of thing which either could be really good, or shallow pieces with brainless action and stereotyped characters . I also confess I'm unfairly put off by the "helldivers!" name of the series because, in the terrible terrible terrible! appallingly awful Red rising series by Peers Brown, the main character keeps going on about him being a "hell diver", IE a guy who uses a mining drill on mars (because even his menial job as a slave has to sound super awesome!). though I admit, this is likely just a bad association on my part and is unfair considering I've not read any of sansbury smith's books yet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580490/#p580490 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Yeah Lucas. I have red hell divers, trackers, extinction cycle and sons of war by Nicholas. I loved them all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580485/#p580485 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @Lucas1853, I don't doubt that there is some good quality fan fiction out there, and indeed communities who recognise the inequities, it's just that generally in my experience as you said, there is a lot of dross as well, particularly because of the lack of editors or direction, hence why I personally tend to prefer to explore new authors and worlds most of the time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580480/#p580480 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed @2, Fanfiction has various sub-communities. Some of them hate the things you mentioned, especially the author creating their own overpowered characters. Some of them embrace it and that's why they write fanfiction in the first place. IT's all about what you read, and considering that Harry Potter is one of the largest fandoms in the world, there's quite a lot of different categories of things you can read. In general though, I agree with the first post that fanfic gets stale after a while, once you've pretty much read most things that people recommend. There are maybe 1 good completed fanfics in Harry Potter, and the other half a million suck, aren't in English, or are abandoned forever.@4 I've been meaning to read Trackers as well, and all of Smith's other books. I've been reading the Hell Divers series first, but all of his other stuff seems cool as well. Hell Divers is a gritty post-apocalyptic action/adventure story primarily, so if you're into that, you could give it a go. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580475/#p580475 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed For something nonfiction--the only nonfiction I have actually ever read and enjoyed--A Queer and Pleasant Danger by Kate Bornstein. The full title is "A Queer and Pleasant Danger: The True Story of a Nice Jewish Boy Who Joins the Church of Scientology and Leaves Twelve Years Later to Become the Lovely Lady She is Today ", which tells you exactly what it's about.It reads quite a lot like fiction, unless you already know about scientology enough to know that the book isn't exaggerating in the least. They still have a "navy" and basically controls the city government of a town in Florida, and also they managed to infiltrate the IRS back in the 70s or 80s when you could get a couple people and a shredder in somewhere and use them to permanently destroy records, because there's nothing like cults with money to be real-life creepy, though the book doesn't go into those parts because she wasn't involved in them.I'd normally recommend fiction, but you're asking for adult and something that might change your outlook on life, and that definitely fulfills both criteria. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580467/#p580467 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed trackers, by Nicholas Sansbury Smith. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580466/#p580466 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Fantasy series1. Daniel Abraham - The Dagger and the Coin2. Joe Abercrombie - First Law trilogy3. Patrick Rothfuss - Kingkiller Chronicles4. Brian Staveley - Unhewn Throne trilogyFantasy Standalones (thus far)1. Leigh Bardugo - The Ninth House2. Brandon Sanderson - Warbreaker3. Guy Gavriel Kay - Tegana4. China Mieville - Perdido Street StationNon-fantasy books of fiction1. Tananarive Due - The Good House (family, horror)2. Paul Tremblay - Survivor Song (post-apocalyptic, horror)3. Audrey Niffenegger - Her Fearful Symmetry (family, paranormal)4. M.T. Anderson - Feed (science fiction, soft)5. John Scalzi - Redshirts (science fiction, humour)6. R.S. Belcher - The Brotherhood of the Wheel (horror, dark fantasy)7. Scott Smith - The Ruins (horror, adventure)8. Neil Gaiman - American Gods (dark fantasy)Every single one of the books and series I've listed above have something profound to offer. Whether that be insights into the human condition, profound musings on war and politics, examination of love and friendship and family, survivor's guilt, villainy, tyrrany, invention, philosophy, death, sex, technology, predestination, divinity...it's all here in some form or another. Some of these books are uncomfortable. Some are bloody. Some are brutal. Many are sweet. Most are extremely well-written, some less so than others. Some are propelled by plot over character, while others are built more on characters than plot. Some are quick reads, while others take their time. You will probably not like everything on this list, but if you're into fantasy and even a little bit into the darker aspects of fantasy, you will probably find something to like and appreciate on this list. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580464/#p580464 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed Fantasy series1. Daniel Abraham - The Dagger and the Coin2. Joe Abercrombie - First Law trilogy3. Patrick Rothfuss - Kingkiller Chronicles4. Brian Staveley - Unhewn Throne trilogyFantasy Standalones (thus far)1. Leigh Bardugo - The Ninth House2. Brandon Sanderson - Warbreaker3. Guy Gavriel Kay - TeganaNon-fantasy books of fiction1. Tananarive Due - The Good House (family, horror)2. Paul Tremblay - Survivor Song (post-apocalyptic, horror)3. Audrey Niffenegger - Her Fearful Symmetry (family, paranormal)4. M.T. Anderson - Feed (science fiction, soft)5. John Scalzi - Redshirts (science fiction, humour)6. R.S. Belcher - The Brotherhood of the Wheel (horror, dark fantasy)7. Scott Smith - The Ruins (horror, adventure)8. Neil Gaiman - American Gods (dark fantasy)Every single one of the books and series I've listed above have something profound to offer. Whether that be insights into the human condition, profound musings on war and politics, examination of love and friendship and family, survivor's guilt, villainy, tyrrany, invention, philosophy, death, sex, technology, predestination, divinity...it's all here in some form or another. Some of these books are uncomfortable. Some are bloody. Some are brutal. Many are sweet. Most are extremely well-written, some less so than others. Some are propelled by plot over character, while others are built more on characters than plot. Some are quick reads, while others take their time. You will probably not like everything on this list, but if you're into fantasy and even a little bit into the darker aspects of fantasy, you will probably find something to like and appreciate on this list. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580464/#p580464 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Book recommendations urgently needed At risk of repeating myself, I write book reviews over on fantasybookreview.co.uk, which you can find here. I personally haven't been a fan of fan fiction, or even licensed works set in preexisting universes, even for things I'm a major fan of in Rl like Doctor who.. This is sort of ironic, given that I once tried to fan novelise the playstation Rpg xenogears myself, however, I've tended to find that fanfics, and to a lesser extent canonical licensed books in starwars, startrek etc, spend most of their time either trying to repeat the main works of the series, send series characters off into directions the author wants, or have the author's own characters there just to out do established ones, being more powerful, more evil, more handsome or beautiful etc. Personally, I just like a good story like Harry potter which starts and stops, and even for something like Doctor who I'd much rather just something that puts the doctor and companions in an interesting situation, EG in a culture or time they haven't visited or encountering new aliens, than in suddenly fighting the greatest threat to the universe ever, or a species that are eviller than the daleks, or suddenly finding that historical figure of the day wants to make the doctor's companion his queen or whatever .So all of this is to say, for myself I've read far more new and established book series, than fanfics, or even licensed books, and am happier to have done so. As to what to recommend, well it's difficult to say since you have given a very broad criteria. Off the top of my head, George R R Martin, Tad williams, Robin Hobb, Patric rothfus or Brandon Sanderson for High fantasy although Williams and Sanderson have written stuff in very different genres too. Tad williams again for cyberpunk near future sf, Niel Gaimon for modern fantasy and twisted fairy tales, Julian May, Lowis MCMaster Boujald for space opera, Stephen King for Horror and more cross over fantasy, China Nieville for steampunk and stuff that is very grim and Justin Cronin or Anna Smail for post appocalyptic. There are probably a bunch more that I could suggest, but that is what occurs to me at the moment. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580456/#p580456 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Book recommendations urgently needed I’m honestly starting to go out of my mind with boredom. And I need something new to read. I’ve been reading Harry Potter fanfiction‘s for the last two or so years, and have recently started getting bored with them as they all seem fairly similar. I recently read a Harry Potter fanfiction called unatoned, which was honestly one of the greatest things I’ve ever read. I am looking for some thing very adult, some thing That will make me feel a little uncomfortable. Somethings that I will read and may change my philosophy on life. Definitely fiction, end of a longer length if possible. Any suggestions would be great URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580454/#p580454 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
