Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? No. They won't abandone their own voice, but the Vocalizer voices in some regions that have in-house voices have a good chance of being abandoned. Apple hasn't even updated their Vocalizer library in years, because we're missing Nathan and Malcum. The only new premium vocalizer voices I actually quite like. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551113/#p551113 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? Because of Apple making a lot of new voices, does that mean Alex has been abandoned? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551112/#p551112 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? An interim undertaking could be making an arm distribution for android out of the dectalk source code that was released a while back, but apart from a few people working on homegrown speech synthesis in their spare time, there really isn't a large community interest surrounding that. And when you're talking c-code, you kind of need that if it means a code conversion. It would be far from the dectalk we all know and love since the code for that was never found, but it would be pretty much Mobile Speak resemblence on a droid. Counts for something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551102/#p551102 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @ignatriay: The only thing they really ever truly innovated on was Talks, but that was when they actually had an a t department. That era has come and gone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551101/#p551101 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? Apple appears to be taking a different avenue altogether. Even if they aren't going in-house they're probably going through a different spinoff research firm, given the Apple's machine learning made it into an offline chipset. Google's probably could considering they are gradually scaling down to make the resources a little less overkill, but they're a long way off from, say, packaging it all as a thunderbolt-driven hardware speech synthesizer. As such, Apple's machine learning for the Nora voice is menial at best. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551099/#p551099 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @23The default for an open source project without a license is that no one can use it for anything. It's not default open, it's default closed. Knowing this is the hello world of I googled the basics of software copyright for 2 minutes. You have to pick a license, you have to understand the implication of the license you picked, and once you have other contributors to the project you can't ever change that license unless you had contributor license agreements signed by all parties.These laws and ideas you want us to disregard because it's free are why NVDA will never be bundled with Windows itself, and why Microsoft has to maintain narrator. NVDA is also a good example of getting it right, though, because understanding software IP laws is what prevented Freedom Scientific or someone from taking everything they've done, putting it in Jaws, and getting tons of work for free.But screw this up and you can never sell your game (because if you, for example, bring in GPL code you can't keep it closed source). Screw this up and you can't get your software into commercial products even if you're popular enough that someone wants to. Screw this up if you're doing a library and no one can use your library. You can decide to not care, but that's unethical even disregarding the laws as it disregards the wishes of the person who put their time into it, probably for free. But more to the point disregarding it only works as long as you're so tiny that no one will ever care, and it will ensure that no one can ever care, either.@24Nuance is long-term dead, unless Google licenses their patents. I understand some of Google's work, and some of their papers would factor into my very long-term plan of implementing a new Eloquence. At this point, Google is likely only able to do what they do because of the TPU, a custom chip for machine learning that makes GPUs look like vacuum tubes and punch cards, which no other company has access to without buying machine learning from Google.My guess isn't Apple goes in house. My guess is, as ironic as it is, Apple licenses from Google. Barring some small startups and universities, Google is the only company doing interesting things with machine learning at the moment. But we'll see what happens. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551090/#p551090 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
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Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @ jack, I dunno if I would say innovating and nuance in the same sentance lol. Nuanced doesn't really innovate, they just steel other's hard work, patch it here and there; and bingo. New product. I'm curious about something though. Given monopolies are illigal and nuance was one for a long time, given it barely had any competition, shouldn't they be sued or something for monopolizing? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551011/#p551011 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @NevEd: Should have, indeed. It's a general lack of technical competence at a legislative level that has saved Nuance's ass so far, since all the antiturst investigations I'm aware of were flubbed. Plus, up until a few years ago, they've had the advntage of almost no competition in the text to speech/automatic speech recognition market. Google/Amazon haven't exactly destroyed Nuance, but they have certainly stifled Nuance's ability to innovate much further. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551001/#p551001 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? I found a way to get the APK file for Eloquence URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550966/#p550966 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? Sounds as if Nuance should've been given the boot a long time ago in that case. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550964/#p550964 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @NevEd: you really need to research Nuance's history to understand the whole of it. This isn't a matter of things were open source and got sold - in fact, gpl is legally binding, so a gpl violation is no joke. That isn't to say a software patent can't come for your head, but you do at least have some leverage in that department. The fact of the matter is that these were actually well-established companies (Royal Philips Electronics, BeVocal, Loquendo, SVox, L, Eloquent Technologies, you name it). All the companies they have acquired through shady manipulation. The literal only reason why Nuance has not taken over the tts market entirely is because they have Google and Amazon/Ivona as actual legitimate competition. They might even risk losing a foothold or two in some first world markets if Apple manages to in-house major languages, which they are slowly but surely working on doing. IT doesn't make Nuance any less of a thieving conglomerate, they're just no longer center stage because Google has tens times the amount of compute power that even Nuance could think of having to generate frighteningly realistic speech. That is literally it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550962/#p550962 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? I don't understand why an open source project might become an issue if you're popular, or become more popular. Just don't allow it to be sold. Period. If someone sells something without your permission, sue the person selling it, not the guy who made the program. If parties are going to actively not support a piece of software that people do use, and not for nothing, and hoard the code because "muh money muh money," they're just being brats. And if its made open source, that's it.Its stupid, stingy corporate shit and it annoys me. Because people out there abuse broken systems all the time and because we're common folk that get screwed by the rich and powerful with money to buy themselves out of anything, we have no say in anything. I'm expanding beyond this simple issue though and all that is just another topic in itself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550943/#p550943 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? I don't understand why an open source project might become an issue if you're popular, or become more popular. Just don't allow it to be sold. Period. If someone sells something without your permission, sue the person selling it, not the guy who made the program. If parties are going to actively not support a piece of software that people do use, and not for nothing, and hoard the code because "muh money muh money," they're just being brats. And if its made open source, that's it.Its stupid, stingy corporate shit and it annoys me. Because people out there abuse broken systems all the time and because we're common folk that get screwed by the rich and powerful with money to buy themselves out of anything, we have no say in anything. I'm expanding beyond this simple isshe though and all that is just another topic in itself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550943/#p550943 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? I don't understand why an open source project might become an issue if you're popular, or become more popular. Just don't allow it to be sold. Period. If someone sells something without your permission, sue the person selling it, not the guy who made the program. If parties are going to actively not support a piece of software that people do use, and not for nothing, and hoard the code because "muh money muh money," they're just being brats. And if its made open source, that's it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550943/#p550943 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @20It's not as bad as all that, if you plan for the ability to open source. It's not as much red tape as you'd think either in the common case. And, what most people don't realize is that all of this "red tape" applies to your open source and/or personal project too, and is just sitting out there waiting to bite you as soon as you get a little bit popular for not knowing how it works.I wish this forum would have less disdain overall for bothering to understand software licensing issues, especially the programmer subset. It's not that hard, it's important, and "I don't care" is only a useful answer to that question for a very short period of time when you're first learning.@21Well yes and no. Android definitely pushes things in favor of having source somewhere, though, now that you've pointed it out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550932/#p550932 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @camlorn; They had to have had the source code to do the Android port, unless of course they had a compiled arm linux-embedded sdk already. The only still maintained Eloquence for Linux is Voxin, and even that was never made for Arm because it was based off of the Wizard Software Viavoice distribution. Either way, they're freaking Nuance. After acquiring numerous speech companies through pretty shady hostile takeover tactics that nearly put them under antitrust investigation, the last thing they are going to do is let go of something they own. It takes a lot of resources to actively support it, but they can hold on to the trademark for all its worth. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550915/#p550915 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? I remember installing Eloquence on my touch back when I still had it. I did have to get it cracked. Really would be smart if they would just release the source code, either for free or for a low price, preferably for free. If they really wanna milk it some more.I never got the hang of using my screen reader at fast speeds honestly. Everytime I watch a another blind person use the computer the speech rate always is so goddamn fast lol.On the topic of braillenotes, I did take my old mpower with the broken enter key, wiggly usb ports, and fucked up power jack out of the closet though and manage to get the files that were on it onto the CF card that came with my MPC the other day. I was a stupid kid.Edit: Just noticed @19's post. This is why I don't want to be involved in the corporate world on a high level. To much red tape, and in general stupid bullshit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550911/#p550911 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? I remember installing Eloquence on my touch back when I still had it. I did have to get it cracked. Really would be smart if they would just release the source code, either for free or for a low price, preferably for free. If they really wanna milk it some more.I never got the hang of using my screen reader at fast speeds honestly. Everytime I watch a another blind person use the computer the speech rate always is so goddamn fast lol.On the topic of braillenotes, I did take my old mpower with the broken enter key, wiggly usb ports, and fucked up power jack out of the closet though and manage to get the files that were on it onto the CF card that came with my MPC the other day. I was a stupid kid. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550911/#p550911 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @17 @18You can't just port old 32 bit C code to 64 bit, assuming that the old C code exists. It's quite possible that no one even has the source code to eloquence anymore, and that it doesn't even compile on modern compilers.I wish Nuance would just let it go, but everyone always forgets that it actually takes *significant* resources for them to support it if they decided to support it. My guess is that there's patents involved and that even if they decided they wanted to open source it, they're not in the legal position to do so without opening themselves up to other problems. It's not just some big switch labeled "open source on/off" or something; taking an already existing product from 20 years ago that you probably don't even have the developers for starts at months of lawyers and a really big code review at minimum. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550908/#p550908 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @ Jack... that's odd. If they will not support a 64 bit compile, why hold on to the rights and software in the first place? 32 bit is still around, however its being less and less used each time. If they keep hold of the rights and software, lol they're holding to a useless thing, given 32 bit is going to get replaced with 64 bit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550902/#p550902 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? Confusingly enough, Nuance said they would not support of a 64bit compile, but they're still holding on to the right s to the product according to Code FActory. Typical freaking Nuance. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550876/#p550876 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? Yeah, it's pretty easy to find if you know where to look, but I won't say where, as that might potentially still get me a warning, so yeah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550852/#p550852 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? Either way, there's really nothing stopping you from (as others have mentioned) getting an unofficial Eloquence APK and running that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550455/#p550455 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? Ooohh! This looks messy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550359/#p550359 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @7, where did you find that information? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550330/#p550330 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? ESpeak? I think I saw that on the Play Store, maybe I should get that right now so it doesn't get removed when I get home from work today or something, since it can actually pronounce all the words that I use in my books correctly. Accapella, however, sucks so hard that it can say about 0 percent of the made up words, and it can't say Anastacia. If I have the option of using a voice that can't say Anastacia, I'm not using it. It can't even say booss, it says:Boe oss.I don't even know why Humanware bothered with Crappapella, even something like Keynote Gold from the Apex would've been better. Though it can't pronounce some Manamon names, at least it can say Anastacia, booss, coollege (that's how it's spelled in the books), Javoltrik, Volanteril, Sirenea, Kangachan, I could go on and on forever. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550284/#p550284 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? Yeah, I considered buying eloquence for windows from codefactory, but given that they might choose to kill it at any point... Just ugh. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550219/#p550219 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? So apparently Eloquence is no longer supported by anyone which is why it was removed from the play store. Yes you can get an APK, but Google being stupid made it so that you can't make android install apps that aren't from the play store unless you allow certain apps to do so, and humanware's file manager isn't one of those apps you can allow. You can't just choose an app, I guess Google has some sort of pre-approval process, bloody stupid if you ask me. But as far as doing it on the touch plus, I had to copy the APK to google drive first, using my polaris sense that was what I was using before I upgraded, then open it from there. And honestly sense all licenses for eloquence are considered null and void I would say getting this isn't considered piracy as you can't even buy it anyway. Although in the future it won't be possible to run eloquence because if the roomers are correct Google might be going the way apple went and disable 32 bit apps. It'll be interesting to see what Freedom Scientific does with jaws now that it's not possible for a company to get eloquence. HIMS was ahead of the game by 3 years, as the polaris didn't get eloquence, it has vocalizer which in my opinion sucked because I'm honestly not a fan of realistic voices like that unless I'm trying to make a tts skit, because eloquence and e-speak are light weight, and easy to understand at fast speeds. I don't need human like speech to browse the web. Maybe for reading something like a book or whatever, but the whole point of fast speech isn't to be realistic, it's to be able to keep up with the sighted world. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550200/#p550200 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? @4, my point exactly. I know a friend who bouget eloquence for android, and for code factory to remove it out of the blue... kinda feels like a ripoff... They brought it down on themselves though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550199/#p550199 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? Well, at least their''s vocalizer. Anything's better than crappapela. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550195/#p550195 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? It is around, just not on the play store. I'm not normally for getting a paid product for free, especially when I have the money to buy it, and I actually bought Eloquence off the Playstore when it was still on there, but code factory basically did that to themselves by removing it from the play store. I won't give a link here as I don't want to get a warning, but it shouldn't be that hard to find. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550194/#p550194 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? you can if you get it cracked. I mean, with codefactory removing elequence from the playstore... they've lost all their rights to it; in my opinion, that, not to mention... a bunch of userswasted money, given one cannot ask for a refund. @1 yes, its still around, just not on the playstore. Or if you have an old braillenote with elequence, there might be a way to tranfer it; or... I really don't know. That was a bad move from codefactory to remove eloquence from the playstore, but oh well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550191/#p550191 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? you can if you get it per say, cracracked. I mean, with codefactory removing elequence from the playstore... they've lost all their rights to it; not to mention... a bunch of userswasted money, given one cannot ask fo a refond. @1 yes, its still around, just not on the playstore. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550191/#p550191 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Re: Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? you can't get it any more URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550186/#p550186 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible?
Eloquence on Braille Note Touch Plus, is it possible? I just recieved the Braille Note Touch Plus, and heard that you could buy Eloquence from the play store. I went to the play store and searched Eloquence text to speech, but only found vocalizer. Is it still possible to buy eloquence? And if so, how do you do it? I've never used other Braille Notes before, so I'm very new to this. I checked the Text to speech settings in options, and Eloquence wasn't an option. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/550177/#p550177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch Quick update: reset my Touch, and I found out that the newest update for Chrome was the problem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444257/#p444257 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch Also, the sd card slot is something to take note of. You can either use the sd card slot for removable storage, or turn it into a fusion drive-internal storage extension. For that ,your card will be formatted as an extended Linux filesystem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444245/#p444245 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch Yeah, I use firefox. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444049/#p444049 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch Sorry for the doublepost, but it seems that Chrome seems to get quite buggy, where if I reach a point on a web page (this includes the User Guide itself). This could be because I turned off animations, but i don't know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444038/#p444038 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch Yeah. Path of Adventure actually loads on the Touch Plus, and it is glorious.Is there a reader mode in Chrome, though? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444032/#p444032 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch Yeah. Forget everything you knew about third party app performance on the Touch running Kitkat. on the Touch Plus, apps perform pretty much at the rate they would on my Pixel2. The Snapdrgaon820 obviously runs circles around the old Touch. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444016/#p444016 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch No, it can't play mp3 files, but google play music should do the trick. It works great on the plus. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/444010/#p444010 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch From the outside looking in it doesn't look like EasyReader can play mp3's directly. Seems strictly meant as a daisy reader. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/443894/#p443894 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch I know for the original that Google Play Music worked, I do not have the Plus, so I think that either that or Youtube Music would do the trick. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/438783/#p438783 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch Hi, follow up question. I was reading up on the application, and one question it did not answer was: Can Easy Reader Plus play MP3? I was going to use it for GraphicAudio. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/438777/#p438777 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch
Re: A Question About The Braille Note Touch You can sort of enable it on the origional. Just go download easy reader. it's not the modded version, but it should work decently. About background play, i'm really not sure. I only had the plus for a week to beta test it, but i locked my screen and it kept playing, so i'm assuming that background play works.HTH. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436979/#p436979 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
A Question About The Braille Note Touch
A Question About The Braille Note Touch Hi everyone.For those of you using a braille note touch plus, I’d like to ask after the newer, better audiobook player included. That question is: Is background play now an option? Also, is there a way to enable it on the original? Thank you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436853/#p436853 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: any accessable game for the braille note touch?
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Re: any accessable game for the braille note touch? thanks both of you.Well, jack i want free ones. the problem i have is still, i need to get used to cisabling keysoft and getting to the recent apps, then touching the app icon URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/426810/#p426810 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: any accessable game for the braille note touch?
Re: any accessable game for the braille note touch? Dice World is another good one. To get Audio Archery, download and install the following APK package. https://agarchive.net/games/lworks/net. … rchery.apk URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/426789/#p426789 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: any accessable game for the braille note touch?
Re: any accessable game for the braille note touch? Dice World is another rpetty good one. To get AUdio Archery, download an install the following APK package. https://agarchive.net/games/lworks/net. … rchery.apk URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/426789/#p426789 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: any accessable game for the braille note touch?
Re: any accessable game for the braille note touch? Audio ArcheryFEERDroidflipCodename Cygnus URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/426787/#p426787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
any accessable game for the braille note touch?
2019-04-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Ghaith via Audiogames-reflector
any accessable game for the braille note touch? Hello evryone.I'm searching for a braillenote touch accessable game, but i didn't find one, does any of you know any fun accessable game?Thanks URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/426758/#p426758 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Messenger and the Braille Note Touch
Re: Messenger and the Braille Note Touch You probably want to subscribe to this list if you aren't already. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=286349#p286349 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Messenger and the Braille Note Touch
Messenger and the Braille Note Touch Hello all. So, I've recently received my Braille Note Touch and I'm having one issue. In the Facebook Messenger app, I can't seem to leave the edit box once I'm in it no matter if I turn edit mode on or off. Can anyone help me with this? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=286322#p286322 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch decided to move BNTouch OS development. Go here: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.p … 34#p281834 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281835#p281835 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch have come a step closer to porting KeySoft to AOSP. resolved the duplicate perm issue. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281833#p281833 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch Only unfortunate thing is that the performance speed will no doubt be increased with more space, but I believe the card reader itself has a set file read/write speed, unfortunately. But the fact that you can copy files in the background makes up for that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281191#p281191 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch hi jack, yes, it certonly will modify the partition records. agreed, though, that is exactly what we want, again my example with in windows is that. after cloanings done.all we do is then resize those partitions acordingly. example. 128 gig SD card, wil have its existing partitions. weather it being 1 2 3 or 4, all we thus do is, 1, increase user storage space. so, if it was 16 gig, we now extend it to, say, 50 gig, or how ever big you wish to do so. and in theory, this should give a nice bang to the tablets performance.and with out even tuching the original virgin card.makes me wish i had a little tablet like that to play with, nice nice! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281169#p281169 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch you could certianly dd it, but that would dd the partition record as well URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281110#p281110 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch Even if you could, ANdroid's midi implementation is pretty primitive at best, which is why there are more music creation apps on ios than there are on Android. Flyby Chow, regarding the sd card, what you describe is doable, but is certainly not as easy as, dd the contents of the card into an image, format new sd card under ext4, copy disk onto new card. You could probably get better read/write speed right off the bat, especially if using a sandisk xtreme, however, getting more space will require a little more work. No matter how big the card is, the filesystem is only as big as the partitions. So by dd-ing the card and then putting that cloned disk onto a new card, you're essentially still giving yourself a 16gb set of 9 partitions, just like your older card. So you'll have to do a bit more resizing and make some changes to the partition table to actually get more speed. What I do know is that this a standard off-the-shelf sandisk classic sdhc card they're usin g, and with a Sandisk Xtreme, the read/write speed would be doubled at the very least. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281085#p281085 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch Just a question, though, if this version of Android has a MIDI implementation, could you get the soundfont out of it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281073#p281073 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch ok, i have a question, i am asking it out of a windows perspective, just interpret it from a linux point of view, since i am not linux savi.why cant you simply. 1.. connect sd card to linux live cd,since linux can reed ext 4 natively,2. clone the sd card to a larger one. and 3.take that larger sd card, that has faster reed /rite speeds, and put it in the device, to see if it can boot?this way your original is safe?i am super curious to see if it wil work. if so? boom, faster performance rite out of the bat.see, that is exactly what i did with my lenovo x260 laptop.its original slow hardrive may not be tuched, since its the warranty of the laptop. so, i simply cloaned it on to a larger SSD. took hardrive out of laptop.put ssd, in laptop. and boom. faster performance, put hardrive in a safe. and my warranty is safe.makes me itchy to know if running a larger S D card on that note taker will healed better results?can a ny one confirm if this is a sound idea? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281070#p281070 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch And, of course, we can have things like holding down the shutter button to play/pause, holding volume up/down for next/previous track, and, maybe, support for those commands on bluetooth headphones? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281064#p281064 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch alright, I may be insane, but here goes. I am going to create a port of the media center from KeySoft 8 as an Android app. so media player, record a memo, playback memos, and setup options. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281031#p281031 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch no the shutter button is just ANR_KEY_CAMERASHUTTER_SINGLESTAGE URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281005#p281005 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch The cool thing would be to see if you can get the shutter button to Keyrec. Although, that may be an actual custom button. Doesn't work with Knfb yet which is what I think they'll fix in a firmware update that includes Knfb for free. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280941#p280941 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch allrighty! *whew* this has become quite the dev thread, hasn't it! thing the first: keyterm, get int here: http://onj.me/keyterm. Next, replacing and modifying files in system partition. jack, put the following into a file called testsdcard (no extention) and place it in system/bin:<<<<>>>>#!/bin/bashecho this is a test to see whether the BrailleNote touch accepts custom files in /system.echo there may be other partitions, useecho cat /etc/fstabecho to view them.echo done here<<<<>>>>if I can find an OMAP4 compiled version of su, I'll have you drop that in system/bin as well. The BNTouch, based on the fact it doesn't even vibrate without a card, I suspect even the base bootloader is stored on the SD card. the OMAP4 board bit bangs the SD as a generic block device until it's l oaded enough code to access the SDCard as...well...an SDCard. Also who thinks I should do KeyRec, voice recording app, in the spirit of, start recording using internal microphone? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280937#p280937 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch Yes, it is. It's like the terminal emulato rapp that comes with some custom rom.s Also, you have the system patrition, data, cache, and a recovery partition. Four partitions. This is on with it on the mac. The stuff inside data looks like it's hidden but that's probably finder just being finder. It shouldn't be hidden. But the system apps are visible, so you can see all the apps. Even mainmenu is an app, because remember, Android is modular, so everything's an app. Keysoft being a modified Talkback package at the heart isn't necessarily a bad thing. For the record, Touchbraille goes way beyond the accessibility api, so does first letter navigation in lists. The thing with an already existing screen reader that is pretty solid on Android itself, is that it can be built on pretty easily, and even more so when you have Google collaborating. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280782#p280782 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch What partitions are available on the SD card? What is this key term program? Is it for entering terminal commands for the Android OS? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280707#p280707 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch What they meant is you can't put the internal operating system sd card into your pc and use it with like Microsoft Word and such. I e, you can't use it as just any old sd card. If you insert the internal card, you get 4 partitions, those are the partitions used by the system. So what they mean is that no, you can't just pop it in your computer. But if you have mac or linux, you can. You can, however, use any external sd card. They say only up to 32gb, but my 64 gb works just fine, and i'm sure a 128gb would too. And the operating system performance is actually pretty good. Keep in mind some tablets used the removable sd card as well and worked just fine. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280644#p280644 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch You know, now that I think about it, that seems a bit fishy to me. I don't think that any company would not allow you to transfer data onto your unit from a different source. I'll write an email to a support specialist and ask if that's what they meant. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280641#p280641 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch How, then, am I to get anything onto my SD Card? This seems really impractical. I have lots of books I want on my card when I get the machine and if that's not possible... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280640#p280640 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch I usually don't chime in on Humanware products, as i don't own any but, i bet performence is questionable with the OS running off of an Sd card. Come on Humanware, use a nand flash sollution or something. It's unfortunate, just use the cheapest hardware, and ramp up the prices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280639#p280639 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch There is no *internal flash disk.* That flash disk is, the sd card. And if you have a pc, the short answer is no. Actually there is an etx4 driver you can install for windows, though I can't speak to that since I haven't tried that on the windows side. Would suggest staying away from that for now. ON the mac side however, I can confirm that the sd card does indeed mount successfully, and I do have full read-write access to the card, thanks to Paragon's ext4 driver which I may decide to buy, who knows. Don't have the linux install handy all the time, so the driver may become useful. So, if you have a mac, get paragon ext4. I'd say get fuse but based on the comments on that thing it seems like that's had more bugs. From the guys who gave you ntfs for mac, I'd go with their ext4 driver even though it's paid. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280619#p280619 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch So am I reading correctly that I will not be able to put anything on my SD card through a computer? Or just the internal flash disk? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280616#p280616 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch I think Humanware must assume that the general population of its users are using windows, hence the sd card warning. Let's carefully look at the wording here and break this down. Do not tamper with the internal sd card, well yeah, that's obvious. Or use it in a *pc* as this may cause irreparable damage to your Touch. While it is true that the Touch absolutely does not start at all, or even so much as vibrate, when there is no sd card inside, let's take note that they did say, pc. Nowhere in there did they mention Linux or Mac! So as Finn Turner said, the sd card is ext4, which obviously is not recognized by Windows. But any Linux system would work, even a live cd for that matter? And Fuse for the mac should give us read access to the card. Meh, I should probably just use the whole card in Linux, but then again it depends on what I wanna do with the card. I e, do I perform just a regular system backup, or do I copy files to it? Answer the os question that way. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280615#p280615 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch I think Humanware must assume that the general population of its users are using windows, hence the sd card warning. Let's carefully look at the wording here and break this down. Do not tamper with the internal sd card, well yeah, that's obvious. Or use it in a *pc* as this may cause irreparable damage to your Touch. While it is true that the Touch absolutely does not start at all, or even so much as vibrate, when there is no sd card inside, let's take note that they did say, pc. So as Finn Turner said, the sd card is ext4, which obviously is not recognized by Windows. But any Linux system would work, even a live cd for that matter? And Fuse for the mac should give us read access to the card. Meh, I should probably just use the whole card in Linux, but then again it depends on what I wanna do with the card. I e, do I perform just a regular system backup, or do I copy files to it? Answer the os question that way. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280615#p280615 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch Hmm. That'd be amazing if it could run on other things. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280604#p280604 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch If everything is stored on a single card, it might make for some interesting things. Keep in mind that I am not a programmer or an expert, so the following may not be completely accurate. I'm assuming that Humanware partitioned the card with the standard Android partitions. There's probably one for data for apps, the internal SD card which takes up the bulk of the user storage, the system partition that holds all default software and special braille configuration, and probably some cache partitions. I'm assuming performing a factory restore clears everything except the system partition. Humanware must solely control that area of the disk when performing updates. I guess it should be possible to create a full image with the appropriate software and make it bootable on other devices. It's not something I would try, but it does make me wonder. This is assuming that absolutely everything runs off this card. This might not be as bad as I thought. From all this, I 39;m assuming it would be trivial for Humanware to send you a new card with the system firmware on it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280593#p280593 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Hmmm. all this talk about the filesystem of the braillenote does bring up some interesting questions. After all, could we have a 32 gig braille note touch instead of a 16 gig moddle? What all can you do to it that humanware does not think about? So they do not offer a full system backup within the boot menu? I know that On my IPhone, I can enter sort of restore mode if the OS update ever fells. This and the fact that I can restore it via ITunes and have it up going is a plus. I thought that android devices had such a mode if the OS got messed up to the point where it would need to be fully wiped and install. So what happens if an OS update makes the OS of the BrailleNote unbootable? Will humanware send out a new card? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280586#p280586 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Alright, cool. So you said the mac may have an ext4 driver. It doesn't, but Osx Fuse is a third party utility that provides that support. In that case, would I just be able to insert the card in the mac, or would there be some safety precautions to take to make sure the card doesn't get fried? However, it looks like Fuse only supports reading ext4 volumes, and while you can enable the experimental write support, writing to the drive could result in toasting the data, which would toast the Touch's only method of storage. Thus, it looks like I'd be better off doing it on a Linux installation. But assuming the card works as expected, the mac would do the bare minimum, that is perform a full system backup which they should've provided as an option in the boot menu of the Touch. This also leads to another thing. Having a knowledge of Linux/unix based filesystems, I asked tech support if you could format any card under the Touch's filesystem and copy a syst em backup of keysoft over to it. They said no, that inserting the card into the pc would result in the card getting formatted. That's ok, after all I don't think I mentioned Linux in that support question. But since the filesystem is ext4, and the card *should* work in a linux/mac installation, that means that you could technically use any card with the device! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280584#p280584 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Alright, cool. So you said the mac may have an ext4 driver. It doesn't, but Osx Fuse is a third party utility that provides that support. In that case, would I just be able to insert the card in the mac, or would there be some safety precautions to take to make sure the card doesn't get fried? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280584#p280584 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Alright, cool. So you said the mac may have an ext4 driver. If it does, would I just be able to insert the card in the mac, or would there be some safety precautions to take to make sure the card doesn't get fried? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280584#p280584 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch it doesn't have a multi-page list. type command into the box, press E to execute or press the menu button to repeat the last output or exit the app. it'll soon have a proper KeyTerm menu with new terminal, open terminal, print terminal, and setup options. yes, setup options. like keysoft of old URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280573#p280573 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Sure, bring it on! Did you use a Touch sd card to integrate it into keysoft so things like using first letter navigation in a multi-page list will work? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280535#p280535 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch also update: KeyTerm, a new terminal application, for the BNTouch has been written by me. anyone want it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280520#p280520 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch yeah, I'm pretty sure the mac has an EXT4 driver. what is really awesome about this is, if I can find an omap version of the su binary, drop that in /system/xbin, boom. instant rooted device. Also, I'm considering attempting to port the KeySoft experience to an AOSP KK phone, and moving up from there. thoughts? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280513#p280513 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Finnturner, that's what I thought. Question is, would it work on a mac system as well, being unix based? And as for the old version of Android, that's something I'm dealing with personally. Security patches will still come in for Kitkat. Google is not Microsoft, they don't toss old operating systems, if they did well then would you still see every single version of android is the sdk? Probably not. That's why a lot of common apps still work on Kitkat. Responsible android developers will test the app on many versions of Android and many different configurations if they can, because, for the record, there are still *some* devices around that are still running outdated versions of Android. If Google themselves thought that Kitkat was a bad idea, they would've made it clear to Humanware that it would be. Kitkat is still a very stable platform to build on. Cyanogen Mod was at its peak in Kitkat, especially with features. Now it seems like just added fluff apart from a few nice features that I still find value in. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280507#p280507 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch OK right. let me be very, very clear here. the BrailleNote touch, uses, ext4, on it's SD card. all linux systems will support it, guaranteed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280502#p280502 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I think its sad though how Humanware will probably toss the Apex by the wayside when it still is a good working device. I am not going to trade mine in because it does everything I need it to but it is sad that givin Hunanware's history that soon the Apex will no longer be supported. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280498#p280498 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I think its sad though how Humanware will probably toss the Apex by the waste side when it still is a good working device. I am not going to trade mine in because it does everything I need it to but it is sad that givin Hunanware's history that soon the Apex will no longer be supported. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280498#p280498 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Meh, really? When will they ever learn? Why are they using a 4 year old processor and an old version of Android? Come on!I wouldn't go around putting your Braille Note SD card in other machines. It's probably a proprietary format and screwing it up would mean paying hundreds of dollars to get it fixed. I'm done with AT products. The only one I want is the Orbit Reader 20. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280482#p280482 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Meh, really? When will they ever learn? Why are they using a 4 year old processor and an old version of Android? Come on! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280482#p280482 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch The question, though, is would a Linux installation accept the sd card, or would that also result in the formatting of the card? And if that's the case, then a mac may even accept it, though I'm not willing to do that as mac can do some things to storage drives behind the scenes if it believes there's a problem with the drive, or it can't read the drive. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280475#p280475 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Allrighty, some info from someone who knows Android well:1. KeySoft.apk (/system/app/KeySoft.apk) is in fact a modified talkback package at it's heart.2. The BrailleNote touch uses a Texas Instruments OMAP4 mobile processor, which is about 4 years old.3. If anyone has a linux machine, could they attempt to dd the contents of the BrailleNote Touch's internal SD card out to a .img and upload it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280372#p280372 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Google worked on this whole thing with Humanware. Some of the sounds are talkback ones. Edit mode sounds are new, and the move sound is the nicer, traditional android keyboard move sound. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264783#p264783 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Why does Keysoft sound a lot like TalkBack with the same beeps and blips? I don't understand that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264781#p264781 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch And while I do agree that it doesn't make sense why talkback doesn't work, let's also take into account that this screen was made completely from scratch by Humanware, was never designed for talkback to begin with, and was never tested with talkback. So let's take that into account. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264780#p264780 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I'm assuming the removable card contains the different Android partitions. I thought the disk would be internal, but I guess not. Anyway, I suppose that is all for now. Let's see what HIMS does. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264779#p264779 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
