Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 hi.congratulations, you have taken the right decision.cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=258169#p258169 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
2016-04-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Sokun Prom Vireak via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Thanks everyone for your helpful advice and brilliant suggestion. After conflicting back and forth with myself, I might go for the Dell as it has a long battery life for running window. In addition, I'm not confident enough to try out Voiceover whose accessibility and usability are controversial and debatable, especially with third parties apps. Once again, really thanks everyone. Warm regard, Vireak URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=258120#p258120 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 I've never really had to read PDF's with preview; I usually convert them to plane text. VoiceOver may have accessibility quirks, but I've found that the overall Mac OS accessibility with VoiceOver is much better than windows (especially compared to Windows 8 and 8.1). Not to mention that third-party apps are more accessible on Mac OS than on Windows. Also, if buttons in an app are unlabeled, any VoiceOver user can label them with a keystroke or gesture. Even if you're not fond of Mac OS, there are solutions like bootcamp and VMWare fusion. I don't even have to mention that Mac machines are more durable than even the most expensive Windows machine, in terms of both software (less viruses than Windows, no defragmenting of your hard drive, Etc.) and hardware. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257799#p257799 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Funny this topic should come up, I was only just now reading about the Dell XPS line, probably because of the revamped MacBook and people comparing them. From those, at least, I'd say Mac because it's clear Apple care about build quality where Dell are still making compromises left, right and centre. The apologists on the opposing side, of course, argue that machines nowadays are disposable and with the outlay you could just keep replacing your machine. You should choose accordingly, but based on my preferences and my computing estate (all Mac), I'd say Mac, even if you run Windows on it.But wait for WWDC, first. That's due next on June 13. At that time, it is rumoured, Apple will put out some new shiny-shiny. Caution: likely Haswell, which would mean you were exposed to Microsoft's forced end-of-support on Win7/8/8.1.As for Apple and the increasingly mediocre accessibility of OS X: I think there's some truth in this, sadly. There is a d ecided slowness of pace for accessibility-related bug fixes, and even I am starting to have difficulty endorsing the Mac without adding in the appropriate caveats and "Buyer beware!". I like to think that this is simply the overall neglect of OS X following Apple's obvious change of direction, rather than accessibility specifically, but nevertheless it's quite noticeable to those of us who've been around on the Mac platform for a while. This is expressed well by this piece on AppleVis and the subsequent commentary. My main machine is using Yosemite just to get activities working, and I have Windows VMs on standby so I can do all the things. It's still not enough of a reason for me to stop endorsing these wonderful machines, and it's not throwing your money away as long as you can run Windows on them and OS X's virtues extend well beyond accessibility anyway (show me your system-wide spell checker, Windows apologists!), but for the use cases provided it's not a question of which software but which hardware, and for my money Mac is the clear winner here (again). Obviously, a Windows machine is more than capable of doing PDF viewing and Word doc editing, and there's no question that the Windows solutions to these problems are both excellent. So really, you're looking to personal preferences and what you think you'll appreciate rather than actual necessity. As others have said, the combination of OS X and Windows on great hardware is awesome, and it's why I'm still using Macs. OS X is still solid, Windows shines brightly on Macs or in virtual machines, Macs are built to last (I have yet to see any OEM come close--you'd have to self-build to match it), and as a blind user you'll enjoy more independence than you ever could with a WinTel device. JMO. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257781#p257781 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 hi.I would deffinitely go for the dell. I've had two dell laptops in my life, one of them was still working fine after five years untill it was stolen and the one that I have now. I bought it in 2011 and the only time I took it to repairs was when it needed a cleaning because it was beginning to heat up. most of the issues with windows aren't related to hardware as far as i'm concerned, you just have to find a good antivirus that suits you. I wouldn't buy a mac because I see no point in buying an expensive machine just to have two operating systems on it, what's available on mac is available on windows as well. I also hate the restrictions that mac imposes on the users, the best example is only one screen reader... I like to use what screen reader I think is best for me not what apple thinks. you will find only few audio games for mac, if I were to buy a mac it would be a big issue for me because I like to play the new games that appear o n the market not just read about them. yes, macs are durable, but so are dell laptops in my opinion and you can get them at half the price of a mac. I've even dropped my inspiron n5010 2 times and except for a few scratches and a damaged corner everything works fine.many programs that you can find for free in windows have to be bought on mac, and it's very hard to cheat around this issue on a mac than on a windows machine. I might switch to mac one day but sofar I haven't seen a single thing that is convincing enough for me to switch. ah and let's not forget the ridiculous prices for their pieces, if something gets damaged you will have to pay a lot more than for a dell piece, I just replaced my charger for about 20 bucks, that would cost atleast double for a mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=25#p25 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 I think Mac's are all-around great machines that are versatile for both OSX and Windows environments. You get the best of both worlds. Or hey, get Bootcamp if you don't want to run a virtual machine. Bootcamp is more expensive since you need a disk copy of Windows, so it's ultimately what you want and what you're willing to spend.Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257771#p257771 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Or just use VmWare on the Mac. But really, if you want a good solid computer that will last for years, get a Mac. If you wanna spend your days trying to play Japanese games which you can barely discern … Thanks autocorrect for fixing that … then get either a Mac and run VmWare, or get the Dell and have to get it fixed every six months or so. Also, if you have a speech synthesis fetish, you can have fun with all the MacinTalk voices, plus all the Nuance voices as well. Yes, even Ava, Alison, Vina and all the other new ones. But if you’re an Eloquence junky, either use VmWare with your fresh new license of Jaws, or your … smuggled copy of Eloquence for NVDA, because the CodeFactory version is crap, so I’ve heard, or just buy your lovely new Dell, and hope that nothing happens to it, because unlike a virtual machine, you can’t return to a working snapshot if Windows breaks itself. Plus, you’ll have to deal with Windows 10 on Dell, but you can love on Windows XP or 7 with VmWare. So yeah, is there really a decision to be made here? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257757#p257757 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Hi, I personally own a macbook and have used windows pcs in the past, so here's my view:1. Voiceover does have issues, but so does windows. I'm honestly not experienced enough with voiceover to say more than that. The only thing I will say is that mac recovery is lots and lots easier than windows. Voiceover works on the recovery partition, which is a big life savor. That said, I've personally found mac books not to be great windows pcs. It's true that they're fast, but they can have lots of minor issues. Additionally, you can't run any windows version below 8 on new mac books.Long story short:1. If you want to use osx as your main operating system, buy a mac.2. If you think you want to use windows a lot, get the dell. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257756#p257756 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Post 8: Yes, there is a way to read PDF files on OS X with Preview, but as far as I am aware, you can't jump from headings or links like on Windows, which as far as I'm concerned is one of the drawbacks to reading PDFs with OS X. For that purpose, there is an alternate as far as I know called Skim that is pretty accessible to VoiceOver users. It's a free application. How it works is it there's a table which you can use to move through the headings that the PDF has. When you move the VoiceOver focus to the heading you want, simply move your focus to the text of the PDF and you will be on the right page.I hope this helps, and note this only works for PDFs that are properly tagged. If you wish to fill out PDF forms, you can't do that with Preview nor Skim, so the other option would have to be PDF Pin, another one which some have found to wwork. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257750#p257750 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Post 8: Yes, there is a way to read PDF files on OS X with Preview, but as far as I am aware, you can't jump from headings or links like on Windows, which as far as I'm concerned is one of the drawbacks to reading PDFs with OS X. For that purpose, there is an alternate as far as I know called Skim that is pretty accessible to VoiceOver users. It's a free application. How it works is it is done through a table which you can use to navigate through the available headings. When you move the VoiceOver focus to the heading you want, simply move your focus to the text of the PDF and you will be on the appropriate page.I hope this helps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257750#p257750 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 I am going to have to agree with poster 10 here. Although mac OS X is definitely a usable product, the fact that numerous bugs (see applevis) have been spotted and some tend to go unfixed for literally years prevents me from actually recommending this product at all. If you use braille, there's all sorts of starnge focusing issues going on when you actually try to use your braille's navigation keys. Vocalizer voices still tend to go chipmunk now and again , a problem first encountered in Lion. Switching interaction methods, one of the big new features in VoiceOver for EL Capitan, will often get your VoiceOver cursor stuck without any reason. VoiceOver will randomly lock up for a number of seconds and say 'busy' all the time while nothing of significance is actually going on. Web support for the latest web standards is horrible, PDF can only be read in a very basic way ...I could go on for a while yet. If you want to just play around, maybe sky pe some peeps now and again and want to spend a lot of meony , get a mac. If you actually want to be productive, do not. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257748#p257748 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 If it were me, I'd choose the Dell over the Mac book. First of all, I'm a Windows person, and secondly, I currently have a Dell Latitude D830 which was built in 2008 that still works perfectly and is still in perfect condition. So, for me, Dell computers have proven themselves to be very reliable and built to last. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257746#p257746 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 hi.no, forget ...only the very basic voice over on the mac, on this time, it's a shame ...all users of voice over on the Mac, you know what I mean ...many, many issues to voice over on the mac.I will not even answer the people who criticize me to my post.I've had a imac, and I know exactly what I say.I had to sell it because I had no more patience to deal with all the voice over problems.Apple is not concerned with the VO of issues on the mac.who say that this is not true, is lying.I warned...cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257740#p257740 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
2016-04-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Sokun Prom Vireak via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Just for a bit clarification. Theposter number 8 had mentioned reading PDF on Mac with preview. Could you please tell me whether it is possible to jump from heading, list or link as we can do on PDF on window? Is preview able to deal with large PDF document? Thank you for all of your helpful comments and recommendation. At least, they all serve as very useful buying guides for me. Being a blind computer user, accessibility concern always come out on top for being productive. Once again, Thanks and have a good time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257702#p257702 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Having used dell PCs for the better part of my life and MS's operating systems throughout the years, I'm actually with the mac users; even if you later decide you want windows, there's no reason you can't put it on the mac. It's faster, more reliable, and you can generally resell it for a good price later on down the road if you choose to.Post three is poorly constructed and does not provide any examples as to why OSX is honestly such a horrible prospect. PDF reading can be done through the preview app, Safari isn't as bad as all that and I'd say actually beats the sludge out of IE any day, and as post 2 emphasised, if you have iOS devices, you can have a rather unified and unique experience. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257687#p257687 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Same here I am about to purchase an Asus ROG G752, I currently have a dell Inspiron 7559 so I would recommend dell. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257670#p257670 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 As for PCs...I can't say anything on the XPS 13 in particular, having never owned one. However, I can say that I used to buy Dell machines, as they worked well for me. Later, though, I started hearing a lot of horror stories about Dell, their tech support and repair services, from people I know. My latest laptop is a Toshiba Satellite P855-S5200, which works well for me. These days, I'd probably look at offerings from companies such as HP, Toshiba, Asus and maybe others, like Lenovo.I also go to CNET for reviews.In the end, though, it's really up to personal preference. I like to try and get my hands on a machine before I buy, but if that's not possible, I usually do my own research to find the machine with the best specs for me, and check out reviews from sites I think I can trust. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257639#p257639 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Hello,MacOS may have some issues, but to say that it's "full of accessibility issues" is pretty far from the truth.In fact, I think that accessibility has actually improved in El Capitan.If you're new to OS X, there definitely is a learning curve, but I think that if you give it a fair chance, you'll be pleasantly surprised.Also, if for whatever reason, you still need Windows, there is software like VMware Fusion that can run Windows on your Mac.Although, I would be careful of falling into that living-in-Windows-on-Mac trap that I think a lot of people tend to fall into. I did that at first, and I now believe that it was a mistake. JMO, though.I can also say that reading PDFs in OS X is definitely possible, as long as the creator of the PDF has done a good job. Obviously, you're not going to be able to read a PDF that contains nothing but image files.I've moved on to using Linux as my primary OS, but I s till really like MacOS. I still use my own iMac, which is almost six years old now.I'm planning on getting a new machine soon as well, but at least part of me doesn't want to give the Mac up, and not just because I also have an iPhone 6 Plus and an Apple Watch.It may take some getting used to, but if you're open to trying something new, I'd definitely go with a Mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257637#p257637 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Hello,I would go for the Mac. From what I've experienced, Dell computers are junk! I believe you will get better value from the Mac. Even if you don't like Mac OS X, you can put Windows on the computer and get a really slick Windows computer.As for the VoiceOver comments, I disagree. I use Mac OS X El Capitan every single day with no issues. I will agree with you on PDF files. However, I find I have to scan most of those with Voice Dream because they are just images. If it is an accessible PDF, it's possible to save the PDF to a text file and read it in TextEdit or Pages. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257633#p257633 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 hi.if you buy a Mac, you'll regret it. voice over on mac, is full of problems that apple does not fixed.buy a Dell XPSand you have no problems and you will have more accessibility.Safari on the Mac, it's a shame ...Reading PDF on mac with voice over, does not exist.El Captain, mac, accessibility is full of issues.if you do not hear me now, you will remember what I told you ...I warned you... not buy a mac because you'll regret the money you paid for mac.I just bought a mac, if it were to install windows.buy a Mac at this time, it is a big mistake.buy a windows, install NVDA, or JAWS, and you will have accessibility smoothly in most tasks ...voice over, it is full of issues, and above all, is stopped in time ...voice over on MAC OS, is throwing money to the trash.I warned you...cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257627#p257627 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
Re: Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 I'd advise you to purchase a MacBook Pro. The machine is durable, the OS is secure, and it's the best 13-inch laptop around IMHO. It's a bit more expensive than most PC's ($1300), but It's worth it. Not to mention, if you have an iOS device, the iPhone (or IPad, or whatever) and the macBook connect and work together seamlessly. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257621#p257621 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13
2016-04-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Sokun Prom Vireak via Audiogames-reflector
Dell XPS 13 or Macbook Pro 13 Hello, everyone, as the topic suggests, I need help choose between the dell XPS 13 and MacBook Pro for my next purchase. I run computer for almost 4 years now, and my current computer is gradually becoming defective over time. I plan to purchase new computer no later than the end of this year. However, I still doubt which one come out on top in term of accessibility. I mainly read PDF and works with words and internet. Thanks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=257620#p257620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
