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Re: Linux distributions @2 Android is running a linux curnel it is *not* true linux though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/616360/#p616360 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Linux distributions I use android, a very good linux distro for phones, I use it because well I only have 2 operating systems to chooz from for phones and I liked android a lot more than IOS URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/616347/#p616347 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Linux distributions Hello.Just tell us which Linux distributions are you using and why?Thanks in advance! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/616326/#p616326 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind?
Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? I'm pretty sure I need to see how easy Debian is in a VM? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/457287/#p457287 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? I would just like to add that I am typing this post on a Debian Machine. I am using Mate as my desktop. This has been my daily machine for the last 9 years or so. I have had several versions of Debian on it, and the machine runs as fast at it did when I bought it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/457232/#p457232 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? hi guys, i would like to know more are the most useful commands to navigate with orca, and i'm still getting used to the terminal, and i will use mate too URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/457201/#p457201 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? eI just installed Ubuntu Mate on my 2013 MacBook Air, and it actually works surprisingly well. I guess this distro isn't meant for really old computers with 2 GB of 667 MHz DDR RAM and an Intel Core Duo T2050 CPU? It's a shame, I thought this would work well on those older systems. The RAM usage is unbelieveable! System Info reports I'm only using 1.0 GB of RAM!The only problems I have now are difficulties learning how Orca Flat Review works, and my Wi-Fi card isn't working. I have to use a USB Ethernet adapter. Any ideas? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/457051/#p457051 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? I just installed Ubuntu Mate on my 2013 MacBook Air, and it actually works surprisingly well. I guess this distro isn't meant for really old computers with 2 GB of 667 MHz DDR RAM and an Intel Core Duo T2050 CPU? It's a shame, I thought this would work well on those older systems. The RAM usage is unbelieveable! Sstem Info reports I'm only using 1.0 GB of RAM!The only problems I have now are difficulties learning how Orca Flat Review works, and my Wi-Fi card isn't working. I have to use a USB Ethernet adapter. Any ideas? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/457051/#p457051 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? For Orca and command keys, that one is under key echo. It's the first thing I do in any Linux distro that can get Orca going, kill off key echo bar words typed.. For Slint, that's a Slackware issue for networks, and for Orca cutting off I'd bring that up to the maintainer honestly, they can probably help you ut with it. It's funny, I see the maintainer smacking people over the head and being all SWITCH TO SLINT IT IS BETTER THAN , yet I've heard nothing but shit about Slackware as a base distro from people who actually have had to use it, and people who have used Slint haven't given it glowing praise either. Kind of makes me curious to try it on a VM really, but I'm heeding the warning of a friend who swore off (and at) Slackware for being a giant pain in the butt to set up. Then refusing to work for the most basic of tasks. Like you, Crash, they ran into the network issue and it even refused to connect once they put in the right info. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/456822/#p456822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? Yeah I tried it on a vm, it was ok, but orca spoke comand keys and it was a bit slow.Slint, well I never got it to install on the vm, speech would cut off either at login, during install or something.Trying to login to a network needed a domain and password which I never had.And I could never get fedora or others to even do the win alt s thing and never got things to work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/456813/#p456813 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? I'd also like to know of another alternative to Ubuntu Mate. I've tried it and it seems to be very sluggish, at least when using Orca. Everything else I've tried doesn't allow me to enable Orca to install the system. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/456706/#p456706 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? My big issue with some of these things like debian in command mode was the fact that alsa speech was so fucking quiet as compaired to pulse audio that I had a hard time with it.I don't know all the package names to install things, I have had it where an update to the software using apt get -upgrade suddenly completed but stopped me running commands and the vm stopped accepting them.I forgot my password though so I killed the vm.I'll put it back later when I have something to do with it.Its a shame about zorinos though.I didn't like the continuous menu scroling.For me ubuntu mate just worked, but I am used to the old gnome2 system on old fedora.I'd still like a way to load everything one day.Though my want to continue with linux has sort of stopped now I have managed to get dosbox to work with com0com and such. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/451195/#p451195 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? No idea on Slackware, Slint's apparently more accessible but Slackware as a whole is a big fuck no from me simply because I don't want to try it to find out it's not got X Y or Z, really. I've been warned off of it by quite a few people honestly, but try Slint in a VM, hell try Jenux or Free OS in a VM, try any distro in a VM URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450987/#p450987 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? I would like to ask I have installed vinella arch on many times on a vm but I could never really get sound working and now Debian I can no longer use because there is no speech on install. How is using slackware because I never really used it before and would like too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450981/#p450981 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? I mostly use Debian with mate plugged in and no problems with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450979/#p450979 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? Except Ubuntu uses Gnome 3.X by default. See above for why it's not the most accessible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450962/#p450962 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? I just use the normal ubuntu and not the mate version, that works as well. You have to press super alt s when it boots, it might be good to have a sighted person tell you when a live user and a not listed here thing show up, then you can just activate orca and boom. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450960/#p450960 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? On the note of software things, one thing I'll say is get used to the terminal, it's a lot easier to open a terminal then type sudo apt install whatevder, or pacman -S whatever than fight with a software botique, personally, I'm used to the terminal simply because I find it a lot easier to use and quickerr and more detailed.EDIT: Mate settings is a /lot/ more accessible however, it's all checkboxes and labled buttons however. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450954/#p450954 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? On the note of software things, one thing I'll say is get used to the terminal, it's a lot easier to open a terminal then type sudo apt install whatevder, or pacman -S whatever than fight with a software botique, personally, I'm used to the terminal simply because I find it a lot easier to use and quickerr and more detailed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450954/#p450954 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? @10 I found that the settings for the gnome 3 desktop to not be vary accessible at all. Zorin OS is still using the menu system as before, and I some times have to press tab a few times to select objects in the commble boxes. I had to use the terminal to install the gnome software center to get it in ubuntu mate. Good luck on using Zorin OS also I really hate gnome 3 desktop. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450932/#p450932 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? Well to be honest as a precurser I tried a vm of zorin, just to see what it was like on the podcast before I made it.Firstly the settings app just isn't usable in any shape or form, a screen of text but nothing else.If you get a program with checkboxes you need to right arrow to the box then hit space on it.The default gnome menus looked like menus, but no first letter nav, and no scrolling so up and down manually.The software centre is accessible.Its about the only gripe I have with ubuntu mate, software bootique just is a bunch of fucking unlabeled buttons.Thats fine for what its worth but I wanted to doodle wiith it and see what it did.There is no gnome sound in there, but I guess I could look for that later.Orcer will not autoload at startup automatically after first start.I may actually try it again just to see how really bad zorin is.What I really want but can't seem to get with speech working right is siniman which mostly works.I also want to know why ulsa audio is so wimpy in volume on my vms. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450923/#p450923 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? Also, Slint, too if you really, really, /really/ want to use Slackware based distros. I showed it to a friend, and they ran away screaming from it because Slackware. That's another option, honestly.EDIT: Sonarr GNU Linux merged with Vinux and apparently fell off the face of the Earth URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450901/#p450901 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? Also, Slint, too if you really, really, /really/ want to use Slackware based distros. I showed it to a friend, and they ran away screaming from it because Slackware. That's another option, honestly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450901/#p450901 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? Vinux went EOL, i.e. no updates, no security patches, nothing at all since 04/19. Ubuntu Mate is easy to use and it is possible to install it with Orca from the live image.It's the same deal with Accessible Coconut, but my issue with distros made specifically for blind users (which I've expressed before), is they come with a lot of software I don't personally think is useful at all. I don't need, for example in AC, two or three desktops, audio players and so forth. Ubuntu Mate is extremely good in this regard, it comes with what you need to get up and going.On the Arch side, there's vanilla Arch, there's Jenux or the Free OS Project URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450900/#p450900 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? If anyone really wants a vinux iso, i have one around here somewhere, but yeah, go with mate unless you want to have orca audo enabled during setup, and have a few areas be a bit more accessible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450896/#p450896 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? Well having used ubuntu mate it works.Vinux main website is no more it seems though there are downloads on the sourceforge site for it.Same with sonar gnu linux which I did use once and is supposed to be a good arch distribution.As you may or may not know, I have a cast called blindvms, www.cutt.us/blindvms for the rsswww.anchor.fm/blindvms or www.mixcloud.com/crashmaster depending on what you want.What is zorin os like, can it be used, or am I wasting my breath.I may make an episode on zorin.If you think its usefull, maybe you could even be in it, if you think its good tell me what is or isn't good about it and I will look at it.II have to work later today so I may not get to it today but we will see.I have a few more series on things to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450874/#p450874 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? vinux is old and no longer being updated. I would just go with Ubuntu mate. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450823/#p450823 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? I'd try mate or vinux URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450819/#p450819 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? I love ubuntu mate, the only reason I'm not using it myself is Discord and spotify's accessibility not beeing a thing. Granted that is not Discord or Spotify's fault on the linux part.Oh, and chrome,, but I've heard you can get around that, by installing Chrome VOX (Or whatever the chrome screen reader is called) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450797/#p450797 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? You may try UbuntuMate. It is pretty accessible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450776/#p450776 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
What is the best Linux distributions for the blind?
What is the best Linux distributions for the blind? Hi, I have been looking around and I have a difficult time finding a Linux distribution that is more blind friendly. I have been using Zorin OS for the past week and I am looking for a light wait distribution for my desktop. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/450768/#p450768 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible linux distributions with desktop Hi,That's the general procedure.Unless things have changed, you should hear a bongo type sound when the machine's finished booting into the installer, that's the time to try to start orcca.HTH,Daniel URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412855/#p412855 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible linux distributions with desktop so, how do you get the installer to speak? Pop in the cd and press windows alt s? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412853/#p412853 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible linux distributions with desktop I had UbuntuMate installed along side my Windows system, and it works pretty well. I also use for my system administration class. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412850/#p412850 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible linux distributions with desktop oh apparently virtualbox is no longer accessible on windows. Good thing I was doing it on mac... So I'll stick to it I guess. Not sure if I tried alt windows s, meaning command option s, but I think I did, and that didn't start Orca. Hmm. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412843/#p412843 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible linux distributions with desktop The disk image that you download from the official site says AMD x64, where can I find the intel equivalent?I've been looking everywhere and can't find it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412839/#p412839 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible linux distributions with desktop Hi,Alt+win+s should toggle orca.It's also worth mentioning that the windows key is referred to as the "super" key on some Linux flavours such as Ubuntu.HTH,Daniel URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412833/#p412833 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible linux distributions with desktop Hi,Alt+win+s should toggle orca.HTH,Daniel URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412833/#p412833 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Accessible linux distributions with desktop
Accessible linux distributions with desktop Hi all!I am studying application development and we have a basic system administration class.They want me to get Virtualbox with a linux distribution, and I was wondering which one I could get.Virtualbox seems to be accessible, so this shouldn't be a problem.I tried Ubuntu but I can't seem to get it to speak, I think the key was control+windows+s?Anyone got a better idea?Thanks! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412829/#p412829 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu?
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? after you run Hackers arch ISO, your pc will beep and you wish for speech, press enter at the beep, and if you don't want accessibility on by difalt, press down aro once at the beep and press ender. And sorry for my taruble spelling. this keybored is not fun to type on URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275775#p275775 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? I don't know, but when I start vinux in my dvd, How can I press to say test vinux?down arrow, or what?Because I'm so new to linux OS. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275262#p275262 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? @hacker:how do I enable accessibility? your iso boots but only get a beep. is it that I have multiple soundcards? well... multiple detected but one usable on my laptop? also, does this ISO install things so that you can switch from the virtual console to the gui and back without problems with orca, speech dispatcher, etc? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275243#p275243 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? Essentially, the differences between talking arch and my autobuild environment are the following:1: use of NetworkManager instead of netctl for wireless connections, use wificonnect, which prompts you for the case sensitive name of your network to make things easier for those that are unfamilier with ncurses interfaces.2: inclusion of an automatic installation procedure that can install and set up a secure, and accessible or not, system, detected automatically based on a boot option.3: inclusion of a script that can make any 64 GB or larger flash drive into a complete accessibility solution featuring a partition containing windows accessibility tools such as a preconfigured copy of nvda, an open source screen magnifier called virtual magnifying glass, and a custom written program that can run ocr on either a pdf with image content or a raw image file, as well as a preconfigured linux system, similar to what the everything preset in the arch autobuild installer wi ll provide, allowing you to preform tasks such as browsing files, data recovery and ferensics, the clamtk virus scanner, resetting windows passwords, an email client, web browsers, an office suite, virtualization software, the orca screen reader, an ocr program for scanners, basically the equivalent of an entire computer on a stick.If you do not want to use any of the tools provided, the iso can still be used as a regular talking, or even standard arch iso if you select the no accessibility option as well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275206#p275206 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? You can most certainly get a gui for arch, but I prefer just to stay with the commandline for now.Also, what's the difference in talking arch and the thing your friend made. When installing, i've always used talkingarch. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275057#p275057 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu?
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? my friends version of arch already has eSpeak up ready to role. when it starts, it will ask you what sound card you wan't to use or if it finds it, it will just lounch you into the arch izo, and all you have to do is type autobuild in to the terminal and follow the promts. and my friends arch iso can install just a comand line version of arch, gnome, mate desktop, kodi, or everything. note, if you install everything witch is option 5 make sure you have more then 145 GB, give or take URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275044#p275044 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu?
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? I use Sonar now, on what used to be a Mac Mini. It works very well, even better than I'd hoped. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=273501#p273501 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu?
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? does arch have a graphical interface, like other modern distros, or its just a command line? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=273499#p273499 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu?
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? How do I get speakup working in the auto build archlinux image? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=273487#p273487 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu?
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? you can try arch with speach from a arch distro that my friend made. you can get it from https://nashcentral.duckdns.org:8100and click on the tech related projects URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=273327#p273327 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? Debian is also good and if you want a OS with a lot of hacking tools then try Carly Linux. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=272948#p272948 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu?
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? @arqmeister, yes, I have. I've also managed to get Arch Linux running with both as well. Gentoo is a bit more complicated, but it certainly works. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=272895#p272895 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? At Ethin, i'd figured i'd ask you this because i think you might have done this in the past and posted it. But, have you successfully got gentoo running with orca or speakup? Just asking, because, while i'm familiar with arch, i have never tryed to get gentoo running. Any advice? Thanks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=272798#p272798 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu?
Re: Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? Hello there,Indeed there are. Try Arch Linux for the latest versions of all software, or Gentoo for customizability and flexibility. There are many, many others. You'll find one that's right for you. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=272752#p272752 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu?
Accessible Linux distributions other than Ubuntu? Hello folks. Quick question. Are there any other Linux distributions which are accessible, other than Ubuntu? I'd like to try Sonar, but due to it's issues with VMWare fusion, that seems impossible. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=272731#p272731 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Tward, I absolutely agree with your above phrase: The problem is a new user doesnt know where to begin or what to do to get Linux to work the way he or she wants. that is where access really breaks down because there is no access for dummies type book or tutorial that lays it all out for a new user.Orca offers some learning messages and I think it should be more acurate, but Im aware that differences between desktops would make this a lot hard.Another thing Ive seen for many distributions is that instead of documenting Orcas behavior and how tos on a particular distros documentation, the user is sent to the generic Orca documentation. Although it is probably no problem for experienced users, I think that new users may want to know the way Orca behaves on most relevant parts of the main shell of the distro he or she chose. In other words, documentation of many distros seem to be d isconnected from Orca, since the links about Universal Access (the case of Ubuntu, for example) simply send people to the generic help: that help is suited for getting information about specific questions of the screen reader such as setting, pronunciation dictionaries, braille display drivers and scripting, but it isnt the most useful for a person to know the way of applying the tricks described on introductory guides of his/her distro, explained assuming the user will not use any assistive technology. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182264#p182264 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions BTW: I heard something about the sonar Project. What do you think about this Distribution, especially in comparison to vinux or ubuntu Gnome? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182317#p182317 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
2014-07-27
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Ill leave someone else to compare Arch vs GNOME distros, but I cant forget 3 other ones that come to mind which have good accessibility:http://paldo.org/,http://fedoraproject.organd , http://trisquel.info/Oh, and of course!http://debian.org URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182326#p182326 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Fedora, especially. You should look at that, if for no other reason that the packaging and policies are much more relaxed than Debian-style distros. I do think in this day and age, its realistic to value ones time, and use a distro that helps you get stuff done by tracking deps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182351#p182351 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Have someone idea of any other distro than Ubuntu with something like Wubi? It is a Windows installation file that allow to install Ubuntu in the desired partition and add an entry to the Windows bootloader, so you can select which operating system to startup with no need of modifying the MBR. Checking the current Windows settings, this installer automates regional and language settings and detects the user name to ease initial setup. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182365#p182365 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Goodness I thought I could just jump into this one before anyone else could even reply to it. Part of the reason why I even bothered to recover this account to begin with.It does look like Hunter grunt/tward stole my thunder though. You go dude, Guy knows his stuff.I personally use Ubuntu on a daily basis. I have a laptop thats got it installed as a main operating system now as it is. I run it on a virtual machine on my new windows eight laptop that I got for Christmas last year. This year? And I can even run it as a virtual machine on the apple mini I got a few years back.I Was even able to install it with no sighted assistance what so ever.it is just as he said though. Spread sheets, document editing, even playing muds. Running your own mud, moo, mux. Mush server is possible on all my boxes, towers. Whatever theyre calling them now.Ive been meaning to try v-Linux, but never got around to it. I really should run it through its pases over here. See what I can make it crank out.Well, theres my two sense worth in. Ill just creep over in this direction now and check out the other threads while Im here. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182143#p182143 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Im still using Arch as a secondary OS, though for now I mostly use Windows, since applications such as Firefox, while decently accessible, do have some outstanding problems that havent been resolved for as least 7 version, like text on websites being skipped, say all sometimes not working properly, and edit fields being a pain to navigate. In addition, much as I like the design philosophies of Unix-like operating systems (though Linux seems to be diverging from that as of late), especially those of Arch, some things, managing bluetooth devices for example, which I deal with fairly often are still extremely inconvenient. From a technical standpoint the architecture of Linux makes a lot more sense than Windows imho, and its pretty easy to understand once you get the hang of it. So, I use it, but if productivity or efficiency is concerned and a lot of web browsing is involved Ill switch over to Windows in a hurry. Id like to be able to go totally command -line, but elinks always gives me a huge headache every time I try to use it for web browsing, and Id like a decent list-based file manager so I dont have to type out long case-sensitive filenames and constantly look back at the name to make sure Im doing it right. Mc might work for this with some tweaking, havent played around with it too much yet. Anyway all that will be pretty irrelivant for a beginner, so I appologize, but in my experience, if you use Linux for any good length of time youre going to end up getting involved with the CLI whether you like it or not, so youll definitely want to become familiar with it. The MATE desktop, if you can get it installed, is pretty nice. Its an actively developed continuation of Gnome 2, so it uses menus as opposed to a search box and applications view as in Unity or gnome-shell, and its much lighter on resources than those two. As Tward said, libreoffice, gedit, pidgin and totem are all pret ty accessible, though personally I use VLC for most media-related stuff. Also if you ever do decide to dedicate an entire box to Linux, virtualbox is accessible, so you could install Windows in a virtual environment provided you have enough RAM on Linux and switch between the two when something doesnt work, just make sure you install the qt-at-spi package first. Not extreme beginner territory, but its not too difficult to set up. All that being said, Orca can be very buggy and extremely frustrating in some places, so you should expect to do some fiddling around with it even if you do stick to the most accessible applications.HTH URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182146#p182146 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Fergregoire94, I think at this point the biggest issue a new Linux user has with Linux as far as accessibility goes is simply his or her unfamiliarity with the operating system, screen reader, and the graphical desktop he or she may be using. It is those kinds of things that makes or breaks a persons end user experience with Linux.For example, in your post above you mentioned having problems reading certain help topics in Gnome or Unity. What probably was never explained to you in order to read a help topic in help you first have to enable carrot browsing with f7. If you dont do that the help system is going to appear inaccessible and problematic for a screen reader user. Its a classic case of something being accessible, but the end user not knowing what to do to use the technology. So since you didnt know what to do to make the help browser accessible you assumed it wasnt.The more I spend time with new Linux users, those who come from Windows , I find lack of knowledge accounts for the better part of access issues. Im not saying there arent any legitimate access issues, there certainly are, but often times there is a quick or simple workaround for an access issue that the end user simply didnt know about because they assumed access should work one way and it turns out they needed to do something else instead. The fact of the matter is Linux requires more of the end user to get it up and running smoothly and if a person lacks those skills or the experience to do that he or she is in for a negative experience more or less because of their lack of know-how.That said, there definitely are some legitimate access issues on Linux that need to be dealt with. These issues certainly can and do lead to an a less that satisfactory experience for some users, and it is something that needs to be considered weather the access issue is a deal breaker for the end user or not.For example, on the stock Ubunt u 14 distribution it comes with the Unity desktop. Unity is 80% to 90% accessible. However, there are times where something such as the Dash doesnt work well with Orca yet. I personally dont need it so do without using the Dash, but someone else might want access to that feature of the desktop and find it is an unsatisfactory experience because of it.However, here is the nice thing about Linux Windows users consistently overlook time and again. You arent stuck with just one graphical user interface. If Unity doesnt work for you there are other options. There is the Gnome desktop which is becoming fairly accessible these days, and is probably the best end user experience for a blind user right now. there is also Mate which is a continuation of the old Gnome 2.x desktop which is also a reasonable option. Linux is all about customizability and its up to the end user to find the customization that works best for him or her. The problem is a new user doesnt know where to begin or what to do to get Linux to work the way he or she wants. that is where access really breaks down because there is no access for dummies type book or tutorial that lays it all out for a new user.Ill simply reaffirm what you said above. Yes, it does require a bit of effort to get working properly, but once a person gets up and running with a decent distribution, running an accessible desktop, there isnt a lot of need to run windows unless someone absolutely wants to. Ive been able to do most of what I want to do in Linux with reasonable access for about three or four years, and while it requires some tweaking on my part I was willing to put the time and effort into learning about how to get the most out of the operating system and apps.Ill be the first to say my end user experience hasnt been perfect or as good as I personally would like. There are a number of cases I could mention here where access is not as good as it could be or as good as it should be. Firefox and thunderbird are a couple of cases in point. However, I put up with the access issues, because over all I like the operating system, and am willing to compromise on some issues to get things I want from the OS. Someone else like yourself coming from a Windows background may not have my reasons for using the OS and would find the access issues unsatisfactory and give up on Linux because you have different expectations and uses for the software. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182263#p182263 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Niklas, if I were you Id either begin with Vinux for or Ubuntu Gnome 14.04.Vinux 4 is a decent distribution for beginners because everything is more or less configured for a blind user out of the box, and was designed primarily for those just getting use to Linux. Plus it comes with both Speakup and Orca meaning you have full command-line and graphical access from the start. However, the downside of Vinux is that is does not get updated all that frequently.Ubuntu Gnome 14 is the latest version of Ubuntu with the Gnome desktop. The upside is you get a fairly up to date distribution with new versions of Gnome and Orca, and with a little tweaking can become a very powerful Linux distribution. The advantage of the Gnome version of U Ubuntu is that Gnome is the most accessible graphical user interface for Linux right now, and is better than the stock version of Ubuntu which ships with Unity. The disadvantage with going with Ubuntu Gnome is sometimes you will get pac kages that are so new that they have not been fully debugged for accessibility. So you need to be willing to tweak the installations a bit to get the maximum access out of your Linux system.Frastlin, the information you posted in post 9 is in correct. For one thing keyboard commands are not universal across desktop environments and are different from desktop to desktop and sometimes from distribution to distribution. You might want to preface such statements with Linux distribution and desktop as keyboard commands can differ from distribution and desktop. That said, I think you are speaking here from in experience.For one thing Linux desktops do not have a Start Menu as such. On Unity desktops alt+f1 opens the Launcher Bar. On Mate alt+f1 opens the Panel Menu. On Gnome 3.x alt+f1 opens the Dash. See what I mean about keyboard commands being distribution and desktop specific?As for the Windows key, known as the super key on Linux, most of the time it opens the Dash on Gnome and Unity desktops. I cant say from experience what it does on other desktops, but the super key never opens the desktop itself. To go to the desktop usually there is a specific command like alt+control+d to focus the desktop.As for alt+f10 I am not sure what you mean by the Control Panel. I assume here you are talking about the Top Panel in Vinux where various settings etc are. This is a case of needing to learn the proper terminology for things rather than simply applying Windows terminology to things that is very incorrect. Most versions of Linux have a control panel similar to Windows, but it is not called that in Linux. Many desktops use Gnome Control Center which is more or less like the Windows Control Panel. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182007#p182007 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions After many years, Im here again, thinking on stay.Yesterday I was asking myself on it: someone told me that Orca is not so developed as Windows screen readers like JAWS and even NVDA. When I tried Ubuntu in 2011, in addition to usual difficulties Linux have for Windows users and there were many inaccessible apps, Ubuntu was updated to use Uniti instead of Gnome and accessibility was a disaster.Internet browsing and emailing with Orca was not responsive, and many Orca important functions had no keystrokes assigned.Now, my question: Does anyone use some Linux distribution daily and not only for testing purposes? It includes home users that have no Windows at all, home users which have Windows only as a secondary OS and users which use Linux at work, for example on servers. If there are no such users, this debate will not have sense shortly URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182009#p182009 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Fergregoire94, I use Linux daily. In fact, I do consider it my primary operating system. That said, I wont say it is for everybody. Access wise it is ahead of Windows in some areas and behind in others. However, comparing Orca to Windows screen readers like Jaws, Window-Eyes, and even NVDA is a little misleading.One thing you need to understand here when comparing Orca to Windows screen readers is accessibility works totally different in Linux. Unlike Windows screen readers that use a variety of methods of gathering onscreen information either via a Windows API, a custom off-screen model, etc Orca obtains everything from the accessibility API at-spi2. If your application, or the graphical toolkit it uses, doesnt have at-spi2 support then it will not work with Orca. It isnt Orcas fault but the fault of the application or the toolkit it uses. Unfortunately, people who make such comparisons are not that technical, arent aware of the differen ces in how the technology works, so are prone to make unfair comparisons between Orca and some Windows screen reader like Jaws they are more familiar with.Anyway, I think youll find in a properly configured Linux system Orca can hold its own in comparison to most Windows screen readers. It may not support every Linux application you want, but those it does work with generally are reasonably accessible. I can use Firefox for internet, Thunderbird for e-mail, Gedit for basic text editing, LibreOffice for office documents, Pidgin for instant messaging, Totem for multimedia, etc. In short, I can do most of what Id do on a Windows system in Linux with reasonable access with Orca. Access could certainly be better, but I am satisfied with it on a day to day basis. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182027#p182027 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Tward, your actual experience is interesting. Im sure I will encourage some users to jump into the GNU/Linux world.The fact that Orca cannot support every GNU/Linux application is not a fault; like on Windows and almost on any operating system, developers sometimes build non-standard interfaces or unlabeled controls. Moreover, openness of Linux sometimes also have unpredictable behavior outside of accessibility.Do you know accessible Linux-based software for Z-code and Glulx games? This is particularly interesting, since we are on Audiogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182111#p182111 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions @fergregoire94: To answer your question, yes I use Linux at the CLI only, for running servers, on a hobby and pro basis. I personally consider the state of graphical Linux accessibility to be inadequate, but were all different, and as Tward says, its entirely possible that this is not the case for everybody. I do use OS X as my primary desktop OS for now, although my desire to hop back to an environment with more flexibility--probably Windows--is growing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182120#p182120 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Fergregoire94, yes, as a matter of fact I do. I myself use Frotz for Linux with the Speakup screen reader for playing Zcode and Glulx based games. In addition I use an interpreter called Scare for playing a number of games written in Adrift. Scare doesnt support everything, but it does allow me to play some games written in Adrift 3 and 4 on Linux. There are also CLI interpreters for Tads and AGT text games if you want them So as far as text based games goes the sky is the limit on Linux.. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182123#p182123 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
2014-07-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions For those wondering about the sonar project, you can now find it at its new home!http://sonargnulinux.com/And try out the new! Sonar beta, from now on being based off of Manjaro, at:http://sonargnulinux.com/?p=99As a side note, for general and Sonar GNU/Linux talk, see the Support mailing list in the menu. And for Sonar development, see the Dev list. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182129#p182129 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Tward, your actual experience is interesting. Im sure you will encourage some users to jump into the GNU/Linux world.The fact that Orca cannot support every GNU/Linux application is not a fault; like on Windows and almost on any operating system, developers sometimes build non-standard interfaces or unlabeled controls. Moreover, openness of Linux sometimes also have unpredictable behavior outside of accessibility.Do you know accessible Linux-based software for Z-code and Glulx games? This is particularly interesting, since we are on Audiogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182111#p182111 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Tward experiences make me think that it requires a lot of effort, but if someone is committed to learn new principles and experiment with many settings (settings understood as specific distros, not only options), you could stop using Windows for most of the tasks.As Sebby says, GUI accessibility on GNU/Linux seems inadequate. As a newcomer when I tried Ubuntu, for example, I felt to be lost many times: sometimes I could arrive to certain important areas, sometimes Orca with Espeak simply stopped responding, and many times I opened help topics I couldnt read. I hope the situation was changed on these three years. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182132#p182132 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
a question about blind friendly linux distributions
a question about blind friendly linux distributions Hi to all Linux users on here,I have the Problem, that I want to try out Linux with an actual Distribution. But ever when I look to such things, I dont know whats most state of the art in regards to assistive Technologies and what to take. I heart that Ubuntu for example has issues in the latest Versions regarding the accessibility Features. Wich distributions do you recomment wich are actual in accessibility and not to difficult for a beginner in this Linux wolrd? I use speech and Braille most of the time together.Thank you already for help.best regardsNiklas URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181889#p181889 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions There is vinux.org.uk which is a ready set up Linux distribution you can either install or run from disc to try it out, though Im not sure its being updated any more sadly. Aside from that youve hit on the exact problem Linux has all around, theres so many versions no one knows where to start. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181892#p181892 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Depends on what you need. Are you looking to stay at the command line, or do you want to go GUI? Its going GUI which is where the trouble starts, naturally. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181896#p181896 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Im curious what youd suggest for staying at the command line? I might have a play with something like that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181917#p181917 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions How deep do you want to get into this?Debian is an excellent binary distribution with a reputation for maintainability, because the package manager does all the work. However, its all policies and patches, so its arguable that you are not using a Real Linux distribution with vanilla packages. However, its a fairly safe heaven, with enough user-friendliness to get going.If you actually want to learn stuff, Id suggest one of Gentoo, Arch, or Slackware, in that order. You will lose many hours of your life, but when you come back to Debian--as you inevitably will--youll know how a good deal of it works. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181921#p181921 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions How deep do you want to get into this?Debian is an excellent binary distribution with a reputation for maintainability, because the package manager does all the work. However, its all policies and patches, so its arguable that you are not using a Real Linux distribution with vanilla packages. However, its a fairly safe haven, with enough user-friendliness to get going.If you actually want to learn stuff, Id suggest one of Gentoo, Arch, or Slackware, in that order. You will lose many hours of your life, but when you come back to Debian--as you inevitably will--youll know how a good deal of it works.Happy tinkering. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181921#p181921 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Vinux is really meant for beginners, it is built so you dont need to worry about installing inaccessible stuff to begin with and it tells you if something is not going to work. They also have tutorials on their website for vinux. I would say try out vinux first, then make sure you can use the console apps there before moving to one of the others, but that is just my opinion.And supposedly Vinux will have a new update coming out very soon... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181926#p181926 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions ah, okay. I wasnt sure about vinux because it hasnt been updated for a Long time. I hadnt know that its still in development. First I Need something for beginners to start with since I came from Windows and had no much experience with Linux in the past. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181937#p181937 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Hi,I use ubuntu Gnome in a VM. Quite accessible, but scary, since in the desktop ORCA stops talking wtill you press some keystroke. I have had no experience with Linux and havent experimented with it recently, but its a recommendation anyway. Dont use the regular Ubuntu, it doesnt go as well as Ubuntu Gnome. Im limiting myself to the Ubuntu distribution, because I decided to start from there, no idea how the rest work. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181948#p181948 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions 4 things you need to know about linux that is different than windows:the windows key takes you to your desktopthe alt+f1 key opens the start menu. the alt+f10 key opens the control panel (I think it is that last key command, it may be start+f10).and f10 is the only button to open the menu bar. the alt key opens the run dialogue. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181956#p181956 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions ah okay, thank you for the Information. Maybe I should try ubuntu Gnome out? First, i think I would try out GUI and than the console, so the distrobution should offer both in an accessible way. It seems that the Gnome Project makes lots of things or puts lots of efford into These Technologies. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181969#p181969 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
