Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux Hi,To correct something someone said a while back in this thread, as far as I'm aware, the only dystro with that hole press S at boot to start speech thing is debian, and that only because it has a totally command line driven installation process using speakup. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm like, 99.9% sure stock ubuntu uses nome by default, and makes you go through the install by means of a GUI.I'm personally rather a fan of accessible coconut, am using it on my primary right now in fact. Keep in mind, I was using ubuntu mate up until recently, I eventually switched to this because of the sheer amount of stuff it has out of the box. Orca, from my three days worth of constant testing thus far, is also far less prone to crashing and general instability than it was on ubuntu mate. It's also completely up to date as of this writing, and includes a lot, if not all of, the default ubuntu packages that ubuntu mate removes for whatever reason, including startup disk creater. And I mean, DD is fine, but paranoia is an extremely, extremely difficult thing to overcome.Also also also, audiogame manager, found somewhere on these forums, amazing thing. Go check it out. I've been having a few issues with it myself, see topic, but from my testing it's worked perfectly with most things, and all BGT games should work out of the box regardless, even without the aid of this program. Just do sudo apt install winetricks -y, then winetricks -q speechsdk, and be sure to delete NVDAControllerClient32.dll. Boom, your SAPI? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/592408/#p592408 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux As a matter of fact, you can use Wagrant as well, and Docker can be used on windows directly, on WSL2, or installed on Vagrant, that might seem as overkill, but for me it works that way on one computer. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/592401/#p592401 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux I use WSL2 day to day basis and for a web development it works fine after some setup. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/592399/#p592399 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux I do not recommend wsl.Not everything on it will work like in a normal linux distro, and there's no gui. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/581112/#p581112 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
2020-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Developers room : TJ . Breitenfeldt via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux At #12, yeah I am still using WSL 1. I tend to use WSL with my windows file system because I keep everything in Google drive on Windows, so I do not really use the linux file system. I heard that WSL 2 although has fixed many of the problems that WSL 1 has, runs slower when accessing files from the windoes file system. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/581047/#p581047 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Question Regarding Linux @10,Are you running WSL1 or 2? i am still running 1 because I just use a couple of command line programs, and I haven't seen a real need to upgrade yet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580984/#p580984 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux To add to the Vagrant thing, you can also learn something like Docker. Docker is in demand at some jobs, and if you can use it while you're learning to use Linux, you will be ahead of the game. Docker is like Vagrant in some respects, but it offers containerization so that you can run lightweight Linux to quickly run your programs requiring Linux libraries and you don't want to install an entire OS or VM. I'm simplifying of course, and both of them are very useful, but I'm on a Docker streak at my job, so just figured I would inform of the option. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580957/#p580957 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
2020-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Developers room : TJ . Breitenfeldt via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux Hi, for completeness I will add WSL to this list of suggestions. WSL, or Windows Subsystem for Linux, is a great tool for running a linux shell on Windows. If you want to get familiar with Linux file structure, using Linux commands, or just want to take advantage of specific Linux packages, WSL is great. I personally use it all the time as a full stack web developer.It integrates with Windows very well, such that you can even mix windows and Linux commands, such as my favorite, piping linux command output to a windows clipboard. WSL is just a mini virtual machine that gets spun up for you when you start WSL. It does not have or need a virtual machine manager like VMWare Player, so you do not have to worry about switching from VM to host. It is my favorite way of using Linux on a Windows machine. Just remember that you do not get a GUI with WSL. I have heard that it might be possible to install some GUI programs, and perhaps even a native linux screenreader on WSL2, although I am not sure, and you should not need to. JAWS and NVDA work well with WSL, there are a few work arounds though in terms of scrolling and copying and pasting, and there is a thread on this here:https://forum.audiogames.net/post/539100/#p539100Hoep this helps,Timothy Breitenfeldt URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580955/#p580955 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux Vagrant is a way to set up a VM that doesn't have a GUI. You set up your box according to their images, and it's good to go. You then SSH into it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580902/#p580902 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux Can someone tell me what exactly the post four means by using vagrant, and spinning up a box? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580877/#p580877 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux Also,DOn't spend all your time in theGUI. You can do and learn a lot from the command line, and use some very powerful programs, such as Emacs. THere's a lot of stuff the shell can do which is hard to do any other way. Besides, shell and command line accessibility is generally a lot better than the GUI, or at least a little more predictable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580760/#p580760 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
2020-10-16
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AudioGames . net Forum — Developers room : TJ . Breitenfeldt via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux I agree with #4, and will just reiterate a little. I personally find VMWhare Player to be very accessible. I think that the one problem with VMWare Player is that due to its free nature, you can only run one virtual machine at a time. I have actually not tried this for a while so I am not certain if that is still true.The ins and outs of VMWare Player are simple enough, the most important commands are:control + g to grab keyboard input, putting focus inside the Virtual machine, and press control plus alt in the virtual machine to switch back to your host machine. To power off your virtual machine, or see other properties about your VM, while it is running, and you have focus in your hoste machine, press alt + m to pull up a menu with everything you need.VMWare Player as far as I know only runs free on Windows. I am pretty sure it is not free on Mac, and I do not know about Linux.I have not had audio problems with VMWare Player other than the volume tends to be pretty quiet initially. This is easily fixed, just get focus back to your host machine, and go change the volume for VmWare Player in your Volume Mixer.I will mention quickly that I have tried orical box, and found it to not be very accessible, as well as several issues setting up audio output from the Virtual Machine. Not sure if that has changed since the last time I looked at it.In terms of Linux, #4 is right, there are a lot of distros. Some are meant for specific tasks such as Kali linux is used for Pen testing and security related things. Perhaps the most common go to is Ubuntu. I used Vinux once a couple years ago, it definitely works on a virtual machine, although I found it to be slow. I think that this is because of the default desktop that is installed which I cannot remember the name of off the top of my head. I am sure that can be changed. Honestly, I don't remember what Vinux provides out of the box that a distro like Ubunto does not. I believe that Vinux is built on top of Ubunto if I remember correctly.If you go to install Ubunto, installation is very accessible, just run through the setup wizard in VMWare Player, and power on the VM. Give it a moment, the virtual machine will probably make an auditory beep. After a minute or so, press s followed by enter. This will start speech in the command line driven setup. It is pretty intuitive from there. Remember what I mentioned about the volume if the speech is to quiet.This setup process for getting a speech driven installer is the same I believe on Debian, Kali, Ubunto, Vinux, and probably others that are related to these distros.Hope this helped,Timothy Breitenfeldt URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580739/#p580739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux As for RasberryPi, https://stormux.org/, is your best bet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580693/#p580693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux the short answer? really depends on the type of IT course and distro they're recommending you use (if any). I highly recommend figuring this out as your first step, then we can talk about the state of accessibility and whether you need to complain.Most introductory Linux classes target an audience more comfortable with a UI, and try applying this knowledge to ease your transition. You could get by on just SSH, but may be missing out on an entire layer of the OS and consequent pile of work/exercises.In most instances this doesn't really matter, my servers run Linux and I can't ever remember a time I was forced to play games with a desktop.If a UI is required, grab VMware Workstation Player and your chosen distro (both free). Create a new machine, select your ISO image, boot in and activate a screen reader to complete the setup process. Instructions on doing this are distro dependent.If not, look into Vagrant. Give it ten minutes, disable GUI and you'll have spun up a box that can easily be destroyed if you mess up.Suggestions? Ubuntu with the Mate desktop would be my preference.Don't bother with Vinux, or anything else targeted at blind users. They are often alarmingly out-of-date and not really all that useful when many others come with a screen reader and accessible environment out of the box anyway. We'd probably be in a better place right now if those talented enough to make significant enhancements spent their time committing them back instead of trying to create something new, inevitably falling behind and eventually just throwing in the towel. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580663/#p580663 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux the short answer? really depends on the type of IT course and distro they're recommending you use (if any). I highly recommend figuring this out as your first step, then we can talk about the state of accessibility and whether you need to complain.Most introductory Linux classes target an audience more comfortable with a UI, and try applying this knowledge to ease your transition. You could get by on just SSH, but you'd be missing out on an entire layer of the OS.In most instances this doesn't really matter, my servers run Linux and I can't ever remember a time I was forced to play games with a desktop.If a UI is required, grab VMware Workstation Player and your chosen distro (both free). Create a new machine, select your ISO image, boot in and activate a screen reader to complete the setup process. Instructions on doing this are distro dependent.If not, look into Vagrant. Give it ten minutes, disable GUI and you'll have spun up a box that can easily be destroyed if you mess up.Suggestions? Ubuntu with the Mate desktop would be my preference.Don't bother with Vinux, or anything else targeted at blind users. They are often alarmingly out-of-date and not really all that useful when many others come with a screen reader and accessible environment out of the box anyway. We'd probably be in a better place right now if those talented enough to make significant enhancements spent their time committing them back instead of trying to create something new, inevitably falling behind and eventually just throwing in the towel. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580663/#p580663 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux the short answer? really depends on the type of IT course and distro they're recommending you use (if any). I highly recommend figuring this out as your first step, then we can talk about the state of accessibility and whether you need to complain.Most introductory Linux classes target an audience more comfortable with a UI, and try applying this knowledge to ease your transition. You could get by on just SSH, but you'd be missing out on an entire layer of the OS.In most instances this doesn't really matter, my servers run Linux and I can't ever remember a time I was forced to play games with a desktop.If a UI is required, grab VMware Workstation Player and your chosen distro (both free). Create a new machine, select your ISO image, boot in and activate a screen reader to complete the setup process. Instructions on doing this are distro dependent.If you don't need the UI, look into Vagrant. Give it ten minutes, disable GUI and you'll have spun up a box that can easily be destroyed if you mess up.Suggestions? Ubuntu with the Mate desktop would be my preference.Don't bother with Vinux, or anything else targeted at blind users. They are often alarmingly out-of-date and not really all that useful when many others come with a screen reader and accessible environment out of the box anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580663/#p580663 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux Could consider a raspberry pi. They've made some improvements to the Orca support in Raspbian Buster, and you can run it on a virtual machine or ssh into a pi. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580607/#p580607 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Question Regarding Linux
Re: Question Regarding Linux If the distro supports Orca, then you can use that as a screen reader, but in my experience there tend to be problems when running a screen reader on a VM. For me the audio is almost always very choppy.Personally the way I prefer to interact with Linux is to ssh to the linux machine from my machine running Windows 10 + NVDA and just control it that way.It's a great solution as long as everything you need to do can be done on the command line, but if you need to use some GUI apps, then ssh isn't going to cut it.So personally I would ask if we are just going to use the command line on linux and then work to create a ssh setup and call it a day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580606/#p580606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Question Regarding Linux
Question Regarding Linux Hi Folks,I was wondering if anyone here could help me out as far as Linux is concerned. We're coming to a period of the IT training that I am working through, and we're going to be working with Linux using it as a virtual machine. I was just wondering if you know of a stable Linux virtual machine that would also be accessible. I've heard of Vinux, but was not sure if that is available as a virtual machine or not. If anyone has an ideas or suggestions I would really appreciate the help. We're going to be playing with this quite a lot over the next several weeks, and I am hoping to be able to work with this as well.Thanks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580583/#p580583 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
