Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch decided to move BNTouch OS development. Go here: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.p … 34#p281834 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281835#p281835 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch have come a step closer to porting KeySoft to AOSP. resolved the duplicate perm issue. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281833#p281833 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch Only unfortunate thing is that the performance speed will no doubt be increased with more space, but I believe the card reader itself has a set file read/write speed, unfortunately. But the fact that you can copy files in the background makes up for that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281191#p281191 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch hi jack, yes, it certonly will modify the partition records. agreed, though, that is exactly what we want, again my example with in windows is that. after cloanings done.all we do is then resize those partitions acordingly. example. 128 gig SD card, wil have its existing partitions. weather it being 1 2 3 or 4, all we thus do is, 1, increase user storage space. so, if it was 16 gig, we now extend it to, say, 50 gig, or how ever big you wish to do so. and in theory, this should give a nice bang to the tablets performance.and with out even tuching the original virgin card.makes me wish i had a little tablet like that to play with, nice nice! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281169#p281169 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch you could certianly dd it, but that would dd the partition record as well URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281110#p281110 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Even if you could, ANdroid's midi implementation is pretty primitive at best, which is why there are more music creation apps on ios than there are on Android. Flyby Chow, regarding the sd card, what you describe is doable, but is certainly not as easy as, dd the contents of the card into an image, format new sd card under ext4, copy disk onto new card. You could probably get better read/write speed right off the bat, especially if using a sandisk xtreme, however, getting more space will require a little more work. No matter how big the card is, the filesystem is only as big as the partitions. So by dd-ing the card and then putting that cloned disk onto a new card, you're essentially still giving yourself a 16gb set of 9 partitions, just like your older card. So you'll have to do a bit more resizing and make some changes to the partition table to actually get more speed. What I do know is that this a standard off-the-shelf sandisk classic sdhc card they're usin g, and with a Sandisk Xtreme, the read/write speed would be doubled at the very least. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281085#p281085 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Just a question, though, if this version of Android has a MIDI implementation, could you get the soundfont out of it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281073#p281073 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch ok, i have a question, i am asking it out of a windows perspective, just interpret it from a linux point of view, since i am not linux savi.why cant you simply. 1.. connect sd card to linux live cd,since linux can reed ext 4 natively,2. clone the sd card to a larger one. and 3.take that larger sd card, that has faster reed /rite speeds, and put it in the device, to see if it can boot?this way your original is safe?i am super curious to see if it wil work. if so? boom, faster performance rite out of the bat.see, that is exactly what i did with my lenovo x260 laptop.its original slow hardrive may not be tuched, since its the warranty of the laptop. so, i simply cloaned it on to a larger SSD. took hardrive out of laptop.put ssd, in laptop. and boom. faster performance, put hardrive in a safe. and my warranty is safe.makes me itchy to know if running a larger S D card on that note taker will healed better results?can a ny one confirm if this is a sound idea? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281070#p281070 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch And, of course, we can have things like holding down the shutter button to play/pause, holding volume up/down for next/previous track, and, maybe, support for those commands on bluetooth headphones? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281064#p281064 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch alright, I may be insane, but here goes. I am going to create a port of the media center from KeySoft 8 as an Android app. so media player, record a memo, playback memos, and setup options. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281031#p281031 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch no the shutter button is just ANR_KEY_CAMERASHUTTER_SINGLESTAGE URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=281005#p281005 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch The cool thing would be to see if you can get the shutter button to Keyrec. Although, that may be an actual custom button. Doesn't work with Knfb yet which is what I think they'll fix in a firmware update that includes Knfb for free. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280941#p280941 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch allrighty! *whew* this has become quite the dev thread, hasn't it! thing the first: keyterm, get int here: http://onj.me/keyterm. Next, replacing and modifying files in system partition. jack, put the following into a file called testsdcard (no extention) and place it in system/bin:<<<<>>>>#!/bin/bashecho this is a test to see whether the BrailleNote touch accepts custom files in /system.echo there may be other partitions, useecho cat /etc/fstabecho to view them.echo done here<<<<>>>>if I can find an OMAP4 compiled version of su, I'll have you drop that in system/bin as well. The BNTouch, based on the fact it doesn't even vibrate without a card, I suspect even the base bootloader is stored on the SD card. the OMAP4 board bit bangs the SD as a generic block device until it's l oaded enough code to access the SDCard as...well...an SDCard. Also who thinks I should do KeyRec, voice recording app, in the spirit of, start recording using internal microphone? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280937#p280937 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch Yes, it is. It's like the terminal emulato rapp that comes with some custom rom.s Also, you have the system patrition, data, cache, and a recovery partition. Four partitions. This is on with it on the mac. The stuff inside data looks like it's hidden but that's probably finder just being finder. It shouldn't be hidden. But the system apps are visible, so you can see all the apps. Even mainmenu is an app, because remember, Android is modular, so everything's an app. Keysoft being a modified Talkback package at the heart isn't necessarily a bad thing. For the record, Touchbraille goes way beyond the accessibility api, so does first letter navigation in lists. The thing with an already existing screen reader that is pretty solid on Android itself, is that it can be built on pretty easily, and even more so when you have Google collaborating. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280782#p280782 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch What partitions are available on the SD card? What is this key term program? Is it for entering terminal commands for the Android OS? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280707#p280707 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch What they meant is you can't put the internal operating system sd card into your pc and use it with like Microsoft Word and such. I e, you can't use it as just any old sd card. If you insert the internal card, you get 4 partitions, those are the partitions used by the system. So what they mean is that no, you can't just pop it in your computer. But if you have mac or linux, you can. You can, however, use any external sd card. They say only up to 32gb, but my 64 gb works just fine, and i'm sure a 128gb would too. And the operating system performance is actually pretty good. Keep in mind some tablets used the removable sd card as well and worked just fine. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280644#p280644 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch You know, now that I think about it, that seems a bit fishy to me. I don't think that any company would not allow you to transfer data onto your unit from a different source. I'll write an email to a support specialist and ask if that's what they meant. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280641#p280641 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch How, then, am I to get anything onto my SD Card? This seems really impractical. I have lots of books I want on my card when I get the machine and if that's not possible... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280640#p280640 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I usually don't chime in on Humanware products, as i don't own any but, i bet performence is questionable with the OS running off of an Sd card. Come on Humanware, use a nand flash sollution or something. It's unfortunate, just use the cheapest hardware, and ramp up the prices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280639#p280639 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch There is no *internal flash disk.* That flash disk is, the sd card. And if you have a pc, the short answer is no. Actually there is an etx4 driver you can install for windows, though I can't speak to that since I haven't tried that on the windows side. Would suggest staying away from that for now. ON the mac side however, I can confirm that the sd card does indeed mount successfully, and I do have full read-write access to the card, thanks to Paragon's ext4 driver which I may decide to buy, who knows. Don't have the linux install handy all the time, so the driver may become useful. So, if you have a mac, get paragon ext4. I'd say get fuse but based on the comments on that thing it seems like that's had more bugs. From the guys who gave you ntfs for mac, I'd go with their ext4 driver even though it's paid. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280619#p280619 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch So am I reading correctly that I will not be able to put anything on my SD card through a computer? Or just the internal flash disk? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280616#p280616 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch I think Humanware must assume that the general population of its users are using windows, hence the sd card warning. Let's carefully look at the wording here and break this down. Do not tamper with the internal sd card, well yeah, that's obvious. Or use it in a *pc* as this may cause irreparable damage to your Touch. While it is true that the Touch absolutely does not start at all, or even so much as vibrate, when there is no sd card inside, let's take note that they did say, pc. Nowhere in there did they mention Linux or Mac! So as Finn Turner said, the sd card is ext4, which obviously is not recognized by Windows. But any Linux system would work, even a live cd for that matter? And Fuse for the mac should give us read access to the card. Meh, I should probably just use the whole card in Linux, but then again it depends on what I wanna do with the card. I e, do I perform just a regular system backup, or do I copy files to it? Answer the os question that way. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280615#p280615 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch I think Humanware must assume that the general population of its users are using windows, hence the sd card warning. Let's carefully look at the wording here and break this down. Do not tamper with the internal sd card, well yeah, that's obvious. Or use it in a *pc* as this may cause irreparable damage to your Touch. While it is true that the Touch absolutely does not start at all, or even so much as vibrate, when there is no sd card inside, let's take note that they did say, pc. So as Finn Turner said, the sd card is ext4, which obviously is not recognized by Windows. But any Linux system would work, even a live cd for that matter? And Fuse for the mac should give us read access to the card. Meh, I should probably just use the whole card in Linux, but then again it depends on what I wanna do with the card. I e, do I perform just a regular system backup, or do I copy files to it? Answer the os question that way. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280615#p280615 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Hmm. That'd be amazing if it could run on other things. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280604#p280604 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch If everything is stored on a single card, it might make for some interesting things. Keep in mind that I am not a programmer or an expert, so the following may not be completely accurate. I'm assuming that Humanware partitioned the card with the standard Android partitions. There's probably one for data for apps, the internal SD card which takes up the bulk of the user storage, the system partition that holds all default software and special braille configuration, and probably some cache partitions. I'm assuming performing a factory restore clears everything except the system partition. Humanware must solely control that area of the disk when performing updates. I guess it should be possible to create a full image with the appropriate software and make it bootable on other devices. It's not something I would try, but it does make me wonder. This is assuming that absolutely everything runs off this card. This might not be as bad as I thought. From all this, I 39;m assuming it would be trivial for Humanware to send you a new card with the system firmware on it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280593#p280593 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Hmmm. all this talk about the filesystem of the braillenote does bring up some interesting questions. After all, could we have a 32 gig braille note touch instead of a 16 gig moddle? What all can you do to it that humanware does not think about? So they do not offer a full system backup within the boot menu? I know that On my IPhone, I can enter sort of restore mode if the OS update ever fells. This and the fact that I can restore it via ITunes and have it up going is a plus. I thought that android devices had such a mode if the OS got messed up to the point where it would need to be fully wiped and install. So what happens if an OS update makes the OS of the BrailleNote unbootable? Will humanware send out a new card? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280586#p280586 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Alright, cool. So you said the mac may have an ext4 driver. It doesn't, but Osx Fuse is a third party utility that provides that support. In that case, would I just be able to insert the card in the mac, or would there be some safety precautions to take to make sure the card doesn't get fried? However, it looks like Fuse only supports reading ext4 volumes, and while you can enable the experimental write support, writing to the drive could result in toasting the data, which would toast the Touch's only method of storage. Thus, it looks like I'd be better off doing it on a Linux installation. But assuming the card works as expected, the mac would do the bare minimum, that is perform a full system backup which they should've provided as an option in the boot menu of the Touch. This also leads to another thing. Having a knowledge of Linux/unix based filesystems, I asked tech support if you could format any card under the Touch's filesystem and copy a syst em backup of keysoft over to it. They said no, that inserting the card into the pc would result in the card getting formatted. That's ok, after all I don't think I mentioned Linux in that support question. But since the filesystem is ext4, and the card *should* work in a linux/mac installation, that means that you could technically use any card with the device! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280584#p280584 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Alright, cool. So you said the mac may have an ext4 driver. It doesn't, but Osx Fuse is a third party utility that provides that support. In that case, would I just be able to insert the card in the mac, or would there be some safety precautions to take to make sure the card doesn't get fried? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280584#p280584 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Alright, cool. So you said the mac may have an ext4 driver. If it does, would I just be able to insert the card in the mac, or would there be some safety precautions to take to make sure the card doesn't get fried? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280584#p280584 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch
Re: Braille Note Touch it doesn't have a multi-page list. type command into the box, press E to execute or press the menu button to repeat the last output or exit the app. it'll soon have a proper KeyTerm menu with new terminal, open terminal, print terminal, and setup options. yes, setup options. like keysoft of old URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280573#p280573 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Sure, bring it on! Did you use a Touch sd card to integrate it into keysoft so things like using first letter navigation in a multi-page list will work? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280535#p280535 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch also update: KeyTerm, a new terminal application, for the BNTouch has been written by me. anyone want it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280520#p280520 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch yeah, I'm pretty sure the mac has an EXT4 driver. what is really awesome about this is, if I can find an omap version of the su binary, drop that in /system/xbin, boom. instant rooted device. Also, I'm considering attempting to port the KeySoft experience to an AOSP KK phone, and moving up from there. thoughts? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280513#p280513 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Finnturner, that's what I thought. Question is, would it work on a mac system as well, being unix based? And as for the old version of Android, that's something I'm dealing with personally. Security patches will still come in for Kitkat. Google is not Microsoft, they don't toss old operating systems, if they did well then would you still see every single version of android is the sdk? Probably not. That's why a lot of common apps still work on Kitkat. Responsible android developers will test the app on many versions of Android and many different configurations if they can, because, for the record, there are still *some* devices around that are still running outdated versions of Android. If Google themselves thought that Kitkat was a bad idea, they would've made it clear to Humanware that it would be. Kitkat is still a very stable platform to build on. Cyanogen Mod was at its peak in Kitkat, especially with features. Now it seems like just added fluff apart from a few nice features that I still find value in. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280507#p280507 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch OK right. let me be very, very clear here. the BrailleNote touch, uses, ext4, on it's SD card. all linux systems will support it, guaranteed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280502#p280502 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I think its sad though how Humanware will probably toss the Apex by the wayside when it still is a good working device. I am not going to trade mine in because it does everything I need it to but it is sad that givin Hunanware's history that soon the Apex will no longer be supported. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280498#p280498 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I think its sad though how Humanware will probably toss the Apex by the waste side when it still is a good working device. I am not going to trade mine in because it does everything I need it to but it is sad that givin Hunanware's history that soon the Apex will no longer be supported. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280498#p280498 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Meh, really? When will they ever learn? Why are they using a 4 year old processor and an old version of Android? Come on!I wouldn't go around putting your Braille Note SD card in other machines. It's probably a proprietary format and screwing it up would mean paying hundreds of dollars to get it fixed. I'm done with AT products. The only one I want is the Orbit Reader 20. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280482#p280482 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Meh, really? When will they ever learn? Why are they using a 4 year old processor and an old version of Android? Come on! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280482#p280482 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch The question, though, is would a Linux installation accept the sd card, or would that also result in the formatting of the card? And if that's the case, then a mac may even accept it, though I'm not willing to do that as mac can do some things to storage drives behind the scenes if it believes there's a problem with the drive, or it can't read the drive. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280475#p280475 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Allrighty, some info from someone who knows Android well:1. KeySoft.apk (/system/app/KeySoft.apk) is in fact a modified talkback package at it's heart.2. The BrailleNote touch uses a Texas Instruments OMAP4 mobile processor, which is about 4 years old.3. If anyone has a linux machine, could they attempt to dd the contents of the BrailleNote Touch's internal SD card out to a .img and upload it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280372#p280372 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Google worked on this whole thing with Humanware. Some of the sounds are talkback ones. Edit mode sounds are new, and the move sound is the nicer, traditional android keyboard move sound. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264783#p264783 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Why does Keysoft sound a lot like TalkBack with the same beeps and blips? I don't understand that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264781#p264781 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch And while I do agree that it doesn't make sense why talkback doesn't work, let's also take into account that this screen was made completely from scratch by Humanware, was never designed for talkback to begin with, and was never tested with talkback. So let's take that into account. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264780#p264780 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I'm assuming the removable card contains the different Android partitions. I thought the disk would be internal, but I guess not. Anyway, I suppose that is all for now. Let's see what HIMS does. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264779#p264779 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Actually it seems like I do only have 10 or so gb. First time I checked. Well, if Humanware does confirm my theory on storage, then we'll have even more available. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264778#p264778 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch TalkBack doesn't work? THat is sad. Anyway, you get the complete 16 gb of storage for user files? I assumed it was about 10 or 11 with the rest taken up by the operating system. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264777#p264777 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Chriss, firstly. 10gb isn't true, wherever that came from. You get 16gb of internal, removable storage. The unit's hard drive is an sd card. No custom shape, just an sd card, located in the battery cavity. I will ask Humanware tech support to make sure of this, though, but I believe this may actually be the first device with expandable storage! They say don't place the Touch's card in the pc, but first of all, that's because you shouldn't make files with the pc then save it to the card. Second, they say it can cause irreparable damage if you do so, but any android user knows that that's because you could technically have root access with that card in anything but the Touch. The average user could be inadvertantly trying to save a file with their computer on the card, but miscalculate, ending up messing up some of the firmware, thus bricking the device. As there's no downloadable firmware of the device unless you count software updates, unles s they've done a complete backup of the card, then, true, it would be irreparable, at least until they got a fresh copy of the firmware. Because, after all, it's only a software brick. But what I'm wondering, is what if you imaged the card, then copied it over to another , larger card, making sure it was formatted under the same filesystem as the Touch's sd card, maybe you could potentially get more storage. I"m not taking any chances till Humanware has beeen contacted on this one, because the last thing I want is to do it all for nothing. As for running talkback, talkback does not work. I tried, and it said unfortunately, talkback has stopped. However I really don't think you'd get far with it. There'd be no braille translation, no keyboard support, nothing like that. When you use explore by touch, you're pretty much getting talkback functions inside keysoft. You can still assign two-part vertical gestures. But there are also some extras , like screen describer, a feature sort of like item chooser on the iphone, where you can list all the items on the display and go to a particular item. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264773#p264773 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Chriss, firstly. 10gb isn't true, wherever that came from. You get 16gb of internal, removable storage. The unit's hard drive is an sd card. No custom shape, just an sd card, located in the battery cavity. I will ask Humanware tech support to make sure of this, though, but I believe this may actually be the first device with expandable storage! They say don't place the Touch's card in the pc, but first of all, that's because you shouldn't make files with the pc then save it to the card. Second, they say it can cause irreparable damage if you do so, but any android user knows that that's because you could technically have root access with that card in anything but the Touch. The average user could be inadvertantly trying to save a file with their computer on the card, but miscalculate, ending up messing up some of the firmware, thus bricking the device. As there's no downloadable firmware of the device unless you count software updates, unles s they've done a complete backup of the card, then, true, it would be irreparable, at least until they got a fresh copy of the firmware. Because, after all, it's only a software brick. But what I'm wondering, is what if you imaged the card, then copied it over to another , larger card, making sure it was formatted under the same filesystem as the Touch's sd card, maybe you could potentially get more storage. I"m not taking any chances till Humanware has beeen contacted on this one, because the last thing I want is to do it all for nothing. As for running talkback, talkback does not work. I tried, and it said unfortunately, talkback has stopped. However I really don't think you'd get far with it. There'd be no braille translation, no keyboard support, nothing like that. When you use explore by touch, you're pretty much getting talkback functions inside keysoft. You can still assign two-part vertical gestures. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264773#p264773 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Hello,Here are a few questions and comments I have. First, how much disk space do you get on the unit? I heard it was only about 10 GB of user storage. Second, have you installed TalkBack? What is it like running TalkBack on Humanware's customized interface? While I think this device sounds cool, I just hope the hardware will support future updates to Android. I hope they don't plan to stay on 4.4 forever, or we'll wind up right where we were on the Apex. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264767#p264767 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I've only had this thing for two days now, and already know I'll be using this for years to come, which is more than can be said of your traditional notetaker. The Apex came out, still with the same obsolete pocket-pc operating system windows ce, just months before voiceover on the iphones improved, and Android accessibility on the horizon. Yeah, it was quick to fall behind. Braille note Touch is so streamlined, that really keeping Android up and running is half the battle. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264766#p264766 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Interesting. Sounds good, but will you be using it months for now? Anyway, more reviews like that coming might just make me want one, even if it is to try to crash it. LOL. The user guide that I listened to did make it sound nice too. Still love to get my hands on one for a little while... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264753#p264753 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Well, I now have the touch. It's only been a day, and I can say it's more worth the money than any braille device on the market. The case is durable. The cover is nylon, with the keyboard magnetically attaching to the screen if you wish to use it. The unit is very responsive. Here's the deal with the Braillenote Touch version of Acapela. You'll have Heather by default, and you can have one secondary voice. However, that secondary voice can be any of the Acapela voices available, except for the special effect voices. So the Braillenote Touch is basically your free license to almost any voice available, with the only tradeoff being that only one second voice can be downloaded. You can always replace that voice, though. You aren't stuck to it once you get it. Of course, you can get the normal Acapela and access your purchased voices from there, and the two will get along. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264746#p264746 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I uploaded all of the podcasts and programs to http://grossgang.com/braillenote_users_archive/ URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263545#p263545 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch He says that someone else may be taking over the website. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263510#p263510 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I tried to archive it, but it was way too slow. Hopefully somebody has the archives, somewhere, or there's the Internet Archive, of course.The ENTER key on my Apex is acting up. Just in time, then. I won't be replacing it with a Touch yet though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263484#p263484 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I don't really remember ever really visiting that site. Does anyone have access to all of the usefull info? Just wondering. It will be a shame to see all of that work go down the tubes as it were. Then again, I never owned or really used a braille note. I seen one for long enough to get an idea how it worked, but still. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263445#p263445 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch The BrailleNoteUsers.info site is no more. Its maintainer moved on to greener pastures with NVDA.Sad. It was a useful site, for all the restrictions of the original Braillenote. He's right about one thing: BrailleNote has a legacy, and until I read that message I really didn't stop to think how much I take my BrailleNote for granted, or how such a small thing can have such a big impact. It's truly been one of the most precious and memorable and enduring product lines in all the time I've known it, since the BrailleNote Classic. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263440#p263440 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I do wonder how many they sold by today. Then again, A few more months might have to pass before that can be answered. Has anyone on this form order one or had one order from them? Just wondering. I am finding it hard to weight to from anyone who can get their hands on it in the real world per say. I am in the section of the Tutorial talking about some of the apps that can be gotten for the BrailleNote touch. Oh how I wish I can get my hands on one for long enough to play with it, but it is not werth the price... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262569#p262569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch OK, so this isn't for me. At least, I don't think so. Actually, the BrailleNote Classic is forgiven, frankly.I'd love to see what's on that internal SD card. If anyone gets it, please image it and share ...Um, can anyone actually remember what this notetaker is actually for? Indeed, what does the MPower/Apex have that the Classic didn't that would be missed? I love a modern OS, but I like editing in braille better. Can't edit plain text files. WTF? And the, I don't know, refinement of the original design just isn't there. Sure, it's an accessible Android tablet with braille support, but ...I'll keep listening to this 'ere. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262142#p262142 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch @jack, the Touch is using Humanware's own Acapela engine, although one can also download the original Acapela engine from Google Play, and to distinguish the two, the one that comes with the Touch is known as "BrailleNote Touch Acapela". URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262106#p262106 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Well, the unbootable issue would definitely be fixed, because the all the traces of windows c e are gone, including the bootloader. Wasn't that thing able to boot anything with the name pdiboot.exe as well? Imagine putting the wrong file with that name in the unit, it wouldn't boot at all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262077#p262077 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Thanks for that link. I grabbed the tutorial and will have a good listen. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261898#p261898 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Also, the BrailleNote Touch Tutorial can be found right here. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261826#p261826 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Just one step closer to getting mine, then. Now that people will have a chance to try it out for themselves, let's see what people think. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261814#p261814 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Well, today is the day the BrailleNote touch came out. We will see how well it sells. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261810#p261810 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Yes indeed! That's because line breaks were properly announced. Notwithstanding the unfixed Apex bugs which will now probably never be fixed (bugs like the fact that you can't actually turn the display off), text adventures is one thing I love using it for, and that's because of Keynote. And yes, Classic and MPower were the notes to play those games on. The speaker was nice and loud, too.And then there was Master Touch under MS-DOS, of course, on which many text adventures could be played through Keynote SA or PC card.Ah! The memories ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261166#p261166 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Hi,I have seen the touch yesterday at Sight city, and I really liked this. Humanware told me that they will be able to more quickly translate the software and keysoft in other languaües.Steve URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261156#p261156 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I do agree with Brandon, although there is one reason I'd actually take the classic keynote over the apex keynote. The previous versions of keynote in the older braillenotes spoke the text adventure games a lot better than in the apex. But as far as pitch raising and lowering, I would take the apex keynote. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261148#p261148 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Hi,Yes. Two kinds of trade in options are available:• User of any BrailleNote:For this, a device with a 32 cell display will count towards $1500 off the original price. But I unfortunately don't remember what the price is for 18 cell devices.• Any notetaker:Any Braille device, regardless of whether it's a notetaker or a Braille display, you can trade this in but you will need to send this back. For more information I recommend contacting the HumanWare support team:supp...@humanware.comThanks,Brandon URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261100#p261100 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch do we no how the trade works? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261099#p261099 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Hi,Somebody was expressing their thoughts about KeyNote on the Touch.If something happens and it's ported over, I would take it. But it's not really a big concern to me. I can use eSpeak or Eloquence.I wanted to give my overall thoughts about the KeyNote voice:While its pronunciation can be bad sometimes, it doesn't jump around in pitch like Eloquence on the Desktop can. Even if we write a sentence with a period, it still sometimes speaks as if the sentence has an exclamation mark.KeyNote is a lot better on the Apex over the mPower. If you have both these devices, try the following:Write the sentence:How much will this cost?Will it cost more than $50?Notice that, on an mPower, KeyNote reads both sentences the same way it reads the second sentence, increasing its pitch on the end word.On an Apex, the first sentence is spoken with the pitch decreasing as if there were a period. Now, speak these sentences allowed. For me at least, KeyNote on the Apex is following how I would say each of these.I like how it emphasizes consonents but hate it at high speeds.Thanks,Brandon URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261096#p261096 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch For those who are curious and did not read the FAQ about the BrailleNote Touch, here two questions regarding updates, and also to answer a few questions regarding updates I read on this topic.Q: Will The Touch receive security updates if Google makes them available?A: Yes, Google supports Android Kitkat and provides HumanWare any security patches which are made available for them to be provided in a wireless update of the BrailleNote Touch’s software. As security, stability and efficiency are our top priorities with this product such security updates will be made available immediately.Q: When HumanWare releases an update for my Touch, how do I update the device?A: An update will come in two forms. Either you will be notified via a notification and you need to only click a router key on the notification, or if you see a notice from a HumanWare eBlast or hear from someone that the Touch has an update, simply select KeyUpdater from the all apps menu and your Touch will tell you there is a new update available. Simply press enter or a router key on it and it will download and install. Updates can take between a half hour to an hour to download and install depending on your internet speed. But you can download the update in the background while doing other things.Alternatively you can download the update file from the HumanWare web site and put the downloaded zip file on a Thumb drive or SD card. Simply press a router key on the notification when it appears telling you that a system update is available, and the update will install.Note that the Touch needs at least 50% battery power when not connected to a power outlet, and using AC power, it needs a charge of at minimum 20%.That should clear things up about updating the BN Touch. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260781#p260781 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Baylee, here's the thing with subfolders. They actually did work, kind of. But of course, you had to get used to directory mode, and typing in computer braille, and that's removed in the touch. Now, it is an interface much similar to that of your average file manager.. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260358#p260358 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I have a Braille Sense and I feel the same way. They're convenient, that's for sure. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260354#p260354 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I don't hate KeySoft, I just don't know why I like it, is all. It just seems unreal how much I enjoy using it, when it's so clearly limiting. The Touch promises to change all that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260328#p260328 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I have to say, everything you may have hated about keySoft is ironed out here. Did you hate how folders within folders was unaccessible to you? That is no longer a problem. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260306#p260306 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Well that's the thing with the touch. Even if you're not a fan of keysoft, you're no longer stuck inside keysoft. So it's basically that same consistent interface everyone's used to, alon gwith the option of other apps. For example, this being a google certified tablet, both the keyplan app and the regular google calendar app are included. So if you like google calendar and are used to it, no problem! Whether you use keyplan or google calendar, they are both in sync with google calendar. So when you use keyplan, your stuff is going automatically into google calendar, so if you switch between the two, they'll never become out of sync. There's one thing I'm actually wondering, about the acapela engine. I wonder if it's HUmanware's own Acapela engine, or the standard acapela app that just includes voices. Because if we use our purchased acapela voices with it, hopefully there aren't two acapela apps on the unit. And if it is the standard acapela app, then that should be more reason for acapela to put at least one voice into the app, if even one that says please purchase a voice, every minute or so. Because the engine still lets you switch to it when you've got no purchased voices, and that's a problem, if, for example, someone switches to it by mistake. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260297#p260297 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I still haven't quite worked out what it is I even like about KeySoft yet. I mean, why? It's vertical, sure. It's got lovely braille translation.What else, again? Also notable: Apple are now selling Humanware braille displays in their Apple Store. Either they haven't got the memo yet, they hope it never happens, or it's a coincidence--a complete coincidence. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260282#p260282 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Softvoice I'm not sure of. I did hear the softvoice team did want to know who created the addon, so they could improve it possibly fixing all the bugs with mislabeled voices, though for now at least, the developer of that addon, whoever that may be, apparently wishes to remain nameless. Dectalk is a definite maybe, since cf did use that for mobile speak, however I would really like it if they could get the classic sound back. Get a used dectalk express, reverse engineer the speech chip, get the firmware off of it, and make it. Dectalk for android would be great, but if we could, at the very least, have that classic sound back on windows, that would be great. Dectalk Express's aren't the easiest things to find these days, so it would be great to have that firmware made into software. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260237#p260237 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I would like dec-talk and if possible soft-voice tts for android. and if possible keynote gold. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260236#p260236 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Hello,According to HumanWare's support team, that is what I heard.I was wondering about the trade in myself. They specificly said I could continue to use the mPower but that that I wouldn't get support on it anymore as I'm using it for trade in.Thanks,Brandon URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260224#p260224 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Maybe it's not just money that they need. If the device is more than 3 years old, they probably just need a proof of purchase by making sure it's still in the database. To josh, they told me that Keynote is software they can't port to android, but I did ask if maybe Humanware and Code Factory could team up to port it. If nothing else, I'm considering a compromise for now by asking cf if we can at least have dectalk for android, and the classic dectalk, not the new ones! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260196#p260196 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch But if they only need the serial number, where will the money come from? That's not a trade-in; that's a line of writing on a piece of paper. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260188#p260188 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch i will not let keynote gold die. i will keep using the 15 minute demo in talking dosbox and will make recordings of it reading stuff for me so i can hear and promote keynote gold forever and ever yay! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260167#p260167 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch this is to jack. and so what did codefactory say about keynote for android? because i would really really like keynote gold for my android phone keynote gold multilingual that is. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260166#p260166 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch codeFactory is porting keynote to android? where did you hear this at? when I asked them they said porting keynote is not possible. i really wish that keynote could be ported to android though. I would buy it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260165#p260165 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Chriss, correct. Keysoft is nothing more than the screen reader, the propper braille translation software to enable grade 2 and UEB input, and all the applications. Keyword, victor reader soft, keyplan, the contacts, all of those are apps. At the bottom of the menu is an all apps button similar to the app drawer on most launchers. Here's something that stands out about the text editer, it is designed with mainstream and print appearance in mind. So, no more .kwb or unit-native formats. No need to translate all your keyword documents into plain braille when backing up the device. It will use plain braille or word formats, and absolutely no keyword specific formats. This also means we won't have any of the serious problems in braille translation that we used to. I'm sure once the unit comes out, there will be work done on offering terminal mode. And @tjt1234, I do believe I also remember hearing that if the unit was purchased more than three years ago you did only nee d the serial number of the unit sent in. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260157#p260157 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Braille Note Touch I believe yall are referring to, "this?" recording:http://www.accessibleworld.org/sites/de … anware.mp3 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260150#p260150 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I don't know if it's available yet, but I was one who attended the tech talk training presentation. I'll try to find an audio archive, I think it will be up in a couple of days. But he was able to demonstrate some touch features, including the play store and using google hangouts URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260126#p260126 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Brandon, are you sure about that trade-in? I would imagine that to get the money, they need the actual device that you are trading in. This is because the money that they use towards the purchase of your new device comes from them re-using some of the parts of the other display. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260119#p260119 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Well, I am waiting for that tutorial from Mystic Access on the device. I want to hear as much of what this device can do as possible. I don't think the price tag is worth it, but as a tech nerd, I'm intrigued! I still wonder if Keysoft is simply a screen reader built onto Android with custom applications. Is it like Mobile Accessibility? I haven't tried MA, but from what I've heard, it was a shell with custom applications and a home screen for Android. I'm assuming that Keysoft is nothing more than a screen reader, a custom home launcher, and some custom applications mixed with the default Google apps.Terminal mode is something I've been curious about. If I'm buying this, I want the display for my computer and other devices. I'm not sure how they're going to do it though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260102#p260102 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Well, I am waiting for that tutorial from Mystic Access on the device. I want to hear as much of what this device can do. I don't think the price tag is worth it, but as a tech nerd, I'm intrigued! I still wonder if Keysoft is simply a screen reader built onto Android with custom applications. Is it like Mobile Accessibility? I haven't tried MA, but from what I've heard, it was a shell with custom applications and a home screen for Android. I'm assuming that Keysoft is nothing more than a screen reader, a custom home launcher, and some custom applications mixed with the default Gooogle apps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260102#p260102 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Hi,To answer your question about the upgrades on an Apex, HumanWare will support the Apex for as long as possible, so it's not entirely abandoned yet. It will definitely be harder to support it with the age of the operating system on that platform, but I'm definitely going to keep my Apex.Also, for trade in, you don't have to send the other unit back, unless you purchased your Apex in 2013 or later I think.So for me I have an mPower too, so I'll just take a picture of the serial number on the bottom and send that to them. That will qualify as the trade in. The only thing is that you won't get support on that device anymore, since you've chosen it for the trade in, but that would be fine for me. That's why I choose to trade the mPower over the Apex.Thanks,Brandon URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260069#p260069 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Well, it's because there's never been a device running on android that has been able to be a braille display. As for emote synth there's not much of a need for that considering you can get just about every synth Android offers on the cmoputer, although I still wanted that back in the apex. Braille terminal is something they are working on, they haven't abandoned that at all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260031#p260031 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Yep, no braille terminal or remote synth. That is one hell of a setback; I use it almost all the time. I do hope the Apex isn't simply abandoned, although my money says it will be.What else? Games (might be able to play more of them, but maybe less well) and Oxford dictionary/thesaurus. I'd love to see those. And isn't it about time Humanware released the SDK for the Apex? Nah, that would divert money away from this new thing ...We'll see how it shakes out, but so far I think the Apex serves my needs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260020#p260020 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Yep, no braille terminal or remote synth. That is one hell of a setback; I use it almost all the time. I do hope the Apex isn't simply abandoned, although my money says it will be.What else? Games (might be able to play more of them, but maybe less well) and Oxford dictionary/thesaurus. I'd love to see those. And isn't it about time Humanware released the SDK for the Apex? Nah, that would divert money away from this new thing ...We'll see how it shapes out, but so far I think the Apex serves my needs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260020#p260020 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I think Humanware has actually releassed something truly impresssive in the notetaker market for the first time. Hims have always kept innovating, ubt the Braillenotes have been quick to become outdated, till now. For one, the touchbraille is the most innovative way to write on a touchscreen I've ever seen. Fleksy is known to be taking the interests of the mainstream community now and not doing as much on the accessibility front as they used to. All the braille screen inputs we've seen, calibration is way too hard, have to memorize dot positions, it's just not worth it. Braille touch, even just being grade 1, was the most stable one around, as well as m-braille. But now we have this revolutionary way to type on a screen, that automatically calibrates your ten fingers on the screen, without having to memorize dot positions. So no more of the infamous click clack on the railroad track we've had with passed Braillenotes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=259636#p259636 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch I think that HIMS will be releasing a new notetaker either this year or next year. I am looking forward to it, regardless of the price. For me, Humanware devices have never intrigued me, never captivated me, never called out to me saying "Spend $6000 on me," but HIMS devices have always fascinated me, and I have never been disappointed after purchasing one. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=259622#p259622 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Braille Note Touch Chriss, while the touch probably could run Marshmallow, keep in mind, Kitkat isan incredibly stable foundation to build upon. Cyanogen, for example, was at its absolute peek in Kitkat. But eithr waey, if Google thought it would be better to run Marshmallow on the Braillenote Touch, they wouldn't have recommended Kitkat. I'm sure the keysoft screen reader will be updated over the air. As for talkback, I am not very sure on that one, but wouldn ot recommend it because braille support would be lacking. With that in mind, if you turn off the touchbraille, you will be able to use keysoft with your standard android gestures on regular android phones. Keysoft apps are included onthe braillenote Apex, in the same interface we're used to. Most of the apps operate similarly to the previous Braillenotes, with the added sync to google calendar and contacts in the keysoft planner and contacts app. The book reader is actually a victor reader soft, ported to android. It offers the same features as the classic victor reader stream, and if you put in a stream sd card, it will integrate seemlessly with victor reader soft, however last I've heard they haven't put Audible in yet. It doesn't have internet radio and book downloading support yet, however if you plan to use bookshare, victor reader soft and go-read make a pretty good combination. You can download books with go-read, and read them on the fly with victor readre soft. You are most certainly not locked into keysoft. In the main menu is an all applications seciton, where you will see all of your applications. This is a google certified tablet, so it meets all the requirements of mainstream tablets. Vibration motor, accelerometer, gps chip, and all the google apps. You can, for example, use either the keysoft calendar or google calendar, depending on preference, and your events will never go out of sync. The best part, is that the play store is most definitely included. Any app that's a ccessible, will work on the Braillenote Touch. However, if, like most android phones, all your apps install automatically when you sync your account for te firhst time, I would remove any custom launchers you may have, as those may cause the braillenote touch to act funny if using keysoft. The only major thing the braillenote touch can't do yet, is be a braille display for a computer, however that is most likely an android limitation. The camera on the Touch will come with its own ocr based on Kerzweil's ocr technology, cranked up to 3 seconds or less to recognize a print doumcntE !You heard right, that's what the Humanware rep told me. With all these things in mind, while there are certainly great braille devices that are cheaper than this, the Braillenote Touch has surpassed these. Now, more than anything, it's actually Hims's turn to catch up. While they weren't nearly as behind as others were, this is their turn to try and catch up. However, assumin g their next sense device is android based, there won't be a huge gap as far as advantages when getting new notetakers. The camera is a yes, because Hims would probably be working with Google just as much as Humanware did. If you favor TouchBraille with a keyboard at your disposal, then you could get a Braillenote Touch. If you don't care for the screen that much, knowing that Hims keyboards are still reasonably quiet, you can get their device when it comes. WHatever floats your boat. Personally I'm going for the Touch, but the point is that now we can potentially have a lot more freedom when getting notetakers to chooose which one suits us best, provided they're on the same open platform. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=259615#p259615 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
