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Re: english accents Moderation! @Fastfinge, I think you have overblown Sebbys comments very much out of context. no where did he say that he thought British english was superior, only that he felt Australian and American English had diversified from the original route language enough to qualify as languages in their own right, rather than being classified as dialects. This is not making a value judgement but a judgement of classification. Likewise as he said himself, I am fairly certain his joking comment about american expressions was exactly that. Quite ironically for a topic about language some severe linguistic missunderstanding has happened here and if people do not relax on the issue, which Im fairly sure isnt an issue), I will close the topic. as regards the question, I myself do not agree with sebby that American and Australian english should qualify as separate languages, sinse while American English particularly has some extreme diff erences in grammar and structure from British English, I dont think those differences have gone far enough. For example, I remember a polish and Russian friend of mine once trying to converse in their native languages, they both said they understood about half of what the other said, sinse the two languages had a lot of commonalities but also major differences. That would to me be the point when a language is separated, when the speakers of one cannot understand the speakers of another. While some accents can be difficult, in basic word order and grammar I dont think weve got to that level of diversity with English yet. I personally prefer the term Rp or Oxford English to british English sinse as Fastfinge said British English has so many regional variations. I will also say that for Britain at least I do find there are regional accents which are literally painful to listen to, due to the fact that the voice becomes extremely clipped and harsh, w ord order and sentence structure goes out the window, and often those accents involve major lack of presition in speech, for example in nottingham where my parents live the standard method of pronunciation is to miss ts and hs of words, so a word like it can sound like ih. Vowls also tend to be very nasal and rather harsh, indeed the Nottingham accent is sort of the combination of the worst parts of a yorkshire and Bermingham. this is one reason I myself have a very precise method of speaking, sinse when I was 17 I systematically decided to change my accent and set about destroying all traces of it from the way I spoke. Now the only relic of that is my occasional short A, and even that is falling off as I do more singing since singing requires very precise pronunciations that go along with rp. As regards other accents, I actually really like the Jordy one up here in the Northeast, albeit it takes some getting used to understanding if your not familiar with it. I a lso really like listening to south African accents sinse I find the deepness of the voul sounds very appealing. @Camochek, no, South African is not the same as the standard Oxford English accent, As I said they tend to have a deeper vocal tone to the vouls which actually has an extremely nice sound (or at least I find it that way).URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177683#p177683 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @Dark: Well, you hit the mail on the head; I really, really care about syntax. This bit about everything being fine as long as the message gets across just doesnt do it for me. I do accept that there is a substrate of English that might be called International English--thats the English we use at international conferences--where everybody essentially pledges not to make use of any local colloquialisms, that I would certainly regard as English in its own right. In that case, of course, many concessions are made, but we all agree that the compromises are all worthwhile. It is of course very tempting to add local culture to the mix, but its forbidden by popular decree, producing a very strange sense of group submission. I think thats when you realise how valuable English is as a communication tool for purely technical purposes. I do wonder though whether youd consider Geordie a separate language, by your own rules? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177698#p177698 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents The reason I stated Geordy was hard to understand was because of the accent, which in the center of newcastle can get quite extreme. If you read anything a Geordy wrote itd look the same sinse the grammar and syntax is fairly identical, its just the accent that makes a major difference. There are grammatical and syntactic differences in local accents, but not usually enough to make them incomprehensible. For example a Geordy _expression_ meaning going to the city would be going downtown but would be pronounced more like goon doon tooowan and often ending with the word like although usually pronounced with a long I so that it sounds like lake. The phrase going down town itself however is quite understandable, and its only in fact when I try to write it idiomatically that you even get the idea.URL: http://forum.audiog ames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177700#p177700 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents OK, got it. I once tried to Learn it, and got as far as Didnt drop yer diddle on the proggy mat before I gave up. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177701#p177701 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Actually that is something of a stage Geordi phrase, Ive never heard anyone say it. Ya dina is fairly common, but that just refers to whatever meal you might have, for example if you were waiting in a restaurant the waiter might say got ya dinna when your food was ready. I did however earlier this year have a very surreal experience in London, encountering a cocney taxi driver who actually used the phrase lovely juvly . I actually pointed this out to him and we had a good laugh while he spouted a hole bunch of cocneyisms streight out of hollywood.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177705#p177705 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Yeah, Im quite a fan of The Bradshaws and have picked up some northernisms myself. Of course the opposite is true, people out there still try and do Cockney rhyming slang which is always a good laugh in 2014. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177711#p177711 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents My dad, whos family originaly came from Norfolk, apparently used to have an uncle who used Cockney rhyming slanng, though sinse my dad is now in his sixtiess that wouldve been a fair while ago. Interestingly enough as far as northern English accents go, Yorkshire is one of the few I can do absolutely reliably (I just need to run through a bit of Stanley holloway to get me in the right frame of mind). i once played a Yorkshire doctor on stage in a small commic opera skit. It was quite good fun, especially sinse I got poisoned and got to yell Eee by gum! and then keal over dead .URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177714#p177714 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents hi.what is a cokney and what funny with it?kamochek.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177715#p177715 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Hi,I heard Australian and British they speak English sound a bit same...When I listen and compare these two languages, they sound a bit confusing.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177718#p177718 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @sebby: Everything *is* fine, as long as the message gets across. Anything else is unnecessary elitism, and is used exclusively to disadvantage those of a different culture or socioeconomic status from yourself. So long as the message is understood, bigotry is the only possible reason to enforce any false ideal of so-called correct English. It can sometimes be OK to have a laugh, for example at Spammers who arent attempting to communicate within the rules of the social contract, or at large companies who could have hired better translation talent, but thats as far as it can ever be allowed to go. Anything else is just class or race related bullying. I will feel free to continue to shun those who participate in this unacceptable type of activity. Mocking speakers of American English is no different from mocking those with a different skin colour. If dark feels I need a ban for this uncompromising stance, he can feel free to go ahead; I have no intention of sitting down and keeping my mouth shut. As someone who has no difficulty writing in so-called standard English syntax, its even more important to me that I not permit myself to be lumped in with this nonsense. I find it extremely telling that Dark found it necessary to go to what sounds like a lot of effort, just to change his accent, apparently in order to avoid exactly the kind of bigotry Im up in arms about. Also, I have no idea if you were joking, and I dont really care. The important thing about a joke is that it should be funny, and all of your messages were exactly the opposite. You are also continuing to express the extremely objectionable point of view that anything Sebby has difficulty understanding (like Geordy) or anything Sebby doesnt like (like US English) must be a different language. The fact that you are willing to admit that you dislike US English in formal settings makes it quite clear that you find that type of English, and thus that class of people, to be inferior. I dont expect I can change your opinions, so all I can do is publicly voice my dislike of them, in hopes of reminding the lurkers that yours is a minority opinion that is unacceptable in wider society.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177740#p177740 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @kamochek: I dont have any of the GMA games, and I dont know if its David Greenwood himself who does the voiceovers, so Im afraid I couldnt answer that question. The interviewer in this video is using what I would consider a pretty standard Canadian accent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d1_5SV_oO4that is the accent commonly found in southern Ontario, near our boarder with the United States. Thats why it sounds quite similar to a midwestern American accent. I call this standard because over half of our population lives in this area of the country. The first man who is interviewed has a European accent that I cannot identify, and the second man has the same southern Ontario accent. Almost everyone on CBC, our international broadcaster, shares this type of accent. This is a good example of another Canadian accent, from the Ottawa Valley area , still in Ontario, but not as close to the United States:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6IpR9Xp1NQyou will notice especially that she says several vowels quite differently from a Southern Ontario accent. The man in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu80PNeTwmchas a strong French Canadian accent. If I had to guess, I would say that the woman is probably from Halifax, but that is just a guess. This is a good example of what people from Newfoundland actually sound like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6kVqy9wAOQIf you hear an actress on TV playing someone from Newfoundland, the accent will sound much, much stronger. But everyone I know from Newfoundland sounds more like this girl than the people in movies. On TV, they make it sound almo st Irish, when in reality, it doesnt. But I have never actually visited Newfoundland, so take that with a grain of salt. And this is a Prince Edward Island accent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyUWDwVyJFMyeah, its a short video, but all the other PEI accents I could find didnt sound right, to me. And yes, I have been there. Im sure there are some Canadian accents Im missing, so if you have any questions about other spots, let me know.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177743#p177743 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @kamochek: I dont have any of the GMA games, and I dont know if its David Greenwood himself who does the voiceovers, so Im afraid I couldnt answer that question. The interviewer in this video is using what I would consider a pretty standard Canadian accent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d1_5SV_oO4that is the accent commonly found in southern Ontario, near our boarder with the United States. Thats why it sounds quite similar to a midwestern American accent. I call this standard because over half of our population lives in this area of the country. The first man who is interviewed has a European accent that I cannot identify, and the second man has the same southern Ontario accent. Almost everyone on CBC, our international broadcaster, shares this type of accent. This is a good example of another Canadian accent, from the Ottawa Valley area , still in Ontario, but not as close to the United States:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6IpR9Xp1NQyou will notice especially that she says several vowels quite differently from a Southern Ontario accent. The man in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu80PNeTwmchas a strong French Canadian accent. If I had to guess, I would say that the woman is probably from Halifax, but that is just a guess. This is a good example of what people from Newfoundland actually sound like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6kVqy9wAOQIf you hear an actress on TV playing someone from Newfoundland, the accent will sound much, much stronger. But everyone I know from Newfoundland sounds more like this girl than the people in movies. On TV, they make it sound almo st Irish, when in reality, it doesnt. But I have never actually visited Newfoundland, so take that with a grain of salt. And this is a Prince Edward Island accent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyUWDwVyJFMyeah, its a short video, but all the other PEI accents I could find didnt sound right, to me. And yes, I have been there. Im sure there are some Canadian accents Im missing, so if you have any questions about other spots, let me know.Edit to add: now Im going through all these accent videos on youtube. This woman shares my accent exactly:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QET4pQr1dYgYay! Now I dont have to record one!URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177743#p177743 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: english accents
Re: english accents @kamochek: I dont have any of the GMA games, and I dont know if its David Greenwood himself who does the voiceovers, so Im afraid I couldnt answer that question. The interviewer in this video is using what I would consider a pretty standard Canadian accent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d1_5SV_oO4that is the accent commonly found in southern Ontario, near our boarder with the United States. Thats why it sounds quite similar to a midwestern American accent. I call this standard because over half of our population lives in this area of the country. The first man who is interviewed has a European accent that I cannot identify, and the second man has the same southern Ontario accent. Almost everyone on CBC, our international broadcaster, shares this type of accent. This is a good example of another Canadian accent, from the Ottawa Valley area , still in Ontario, but not as close to the United States:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6IpR9Xp1NQyou will notice especially that she says several vowels quite differently from a Southern Ontario accent. The man in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu80PNeTwmchas a strong French Canadian accent. If I had to guess, I would say that the woman is probably from Halifax, but that is just a guess. This is a good example of what people from Newfoundland actually sound like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6kVqy9wAOQIf you hear an actress on TV playing someone from Newfoundland, the accent will sound much, much stronger. But everyone I know from Newfoundland sounds more like this girl than the people in movies. On TV, they make it sound almo st Irish, when in reality, it doesnt. But I have never actually visited Newfoundland, so take that with a grain of salt. And this is a Prince Edward Island accent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyUWDwVyJFMyeah, its a short video, but all the other PEI accents I could find didnt sound right, to me. And yes, I have been there. Im sure there are some Canadian accents Im missing, so if you have any questions about other spots, let me know.Edit to add: now Im going through all these accent videos on youtube. This woman shares my accent exactly:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QET4pQr1dYgYay! Now I dont have to record one! Were identical, right down to calling the TV thing a converter. Though I call the things that work with consoles controllers, the thing for the T V a converter, and the thing for the amplifier and everything else a remote.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177743#p177743 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @kamochek: I dont have any of the GMA games, and I dont know if its David Greenwood himself who does the voiceovers, so Im afraid I couldnt answer that question. The interviewer in this video is using what I would consider a pretty standard Canadian accent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d1_5SV_oO4that is the accent commonly found in southern Ontario, near our boarder with the United States. Thats why it sounds quite similar to a midwestern American accent. I call this standard because over half of our population lives in this area of the country. The first man who is interviewed has a European accent that I cannot identify, and the second man has the same southern Ontario accent. Almost everyone on CBC, our international broadcaster, shares this type of accent. This is a good example of another Canadian accent, from the Ottawa Valley area , still in Ontario, but not as close to the United States:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6IpR9Xp1NQyou will notice especially that she says several vowels quite differently from a Southern Ontario accent. The man in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu80PNeTwmchas a strong French Canadian accent. If I had to guess, I would say that the woman is probably from Halifax, but that is just a guess. This is a good example of what people from Newfoundland actually sound like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6kVqy9wAOQIf you hear an actress on TV playing someone from Newfoundland, the accent will sound much, much stronger. But everyone I know from Newfoundland sounds more like this girl than the people in movies. On TV, they make it sound almo st Irish, when in reality, it doesnt. But I have never actually visited Newfoundland, so take that with a grain of salt. And this is a Prince Edward Island accent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyUWDwVyJFMyeah, its a short video, but all the other PEI accents I could find didnt sound right, to me. And yes, I have been there. Im sure there are some Canadian accents Im missing, so if you have any questions about other spots, let me know.Edit to add: now Im going through all these accent videos on youtube. This woman shares my accent exactly:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QET4pQr1dYgYay! Now I dont have to record one! Were identical, right down to calling the TV thing a converter. Though I call the things that work with consoles controllers, the thing for the T V a converter, and the thing for the amplifier and everything else a remote. Then I get frustrated when I ask someone to pass me the remote, and they hand me the converter. LOLURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177743#p177743 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Moderation! For the love of pete Fastfinge, get down off your high horse and stop preaching, indeed this is an official warning, if you dont stop taking such major objection to innocent opinions and seeing racism and fashism lirking in every shadow I will indeed give you a temporary ban, sinse frankly long and bitter rants from you in response to what you believe others views to be rather than what they are are not appreciated. I suggest if you want to actually exchange opinions with others and have real conversations, you learn to listen to what other people are saying and what peoples motivations are rather than constantly believing everyone is out to get you. Btw, I will also add that there was a very good reason I systematically went about changing my accent which had nothing to do with elitism, (indeed my parents still speak with nottingham accents), but which I will not discuss here.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177746#p177746 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @dark: To engage in a discussion of a set of opinions legitimizes them, and that is not something I am willing to do with any opinion or set of opinions that promotes, or seems to promote, inequality of any kind. Though I am Canadian, and we do have extremely strong hate speech laws, and have in the past used them to ban Dr Laura and Howard Stern. I have previously found myself set flat-footed by the largely American idea of free speech. I have never had someone successfully explain to me how, and why, speech that promotes inequality can be also promoting freedom. It still sounds like double-think to me. If someone wants to take a crack at that one though, start another thread, or even better send me an e-mail (not a PM because I expect to be banned after this message), because thats way off topic. Im just trying to give a bit of insight into my background. And as someone who isnt American, I am not personally targeted by this particular unpleasantnes s. But my personal code of ethics doesnt let me pass on standing against what I believe to be wrong, just because it isnt affecting me, this time. And I used the word apparently in discussing your change of accent, precisely because I was unsure of your exact motivation, and was going by what seemed apparent, to me. I do know many people who have switched accents for that reason, but youre not one of them. Fair enough. Your idea that opinions are, or can be, Innocent, is not something that I understand even slightly. I mean, what on earth is a guilty opinion? Everyone has opinions and convictions, and everyone, including myself, must be held to account for the opinions they express. I fully admit to having absolutely no idea what you are trying to say, there. My best guess is that you believe that people can have whatever opinion they would like, but if...somehow...the opinion is found Innocent, they shouldnt be judged for that opinion ? What determines if an opinion is Innocent or not? Or do you mean that if youre not an expert in the subject matter, your opinion is Innocent, because you dont have the knowledge to be judged for it? If thats what you mean, why should anyone be allowed to express an Innocent opinion, if they cant back it up with either knowledge or personal experience? I suspect that our mental geographies might be far, far too alien from one another to make any headway at all, there, so again, you might want to take that to another thread, or better, an email, or probably best, just not bother. Anyway, its been a fun and interesting 4 years, everyone! When I get banned, I do not expect to ever be back, as I suspect that my convictions are different enough from Darks that we will never be able to achieve any common ground here. For anyone who wants it, my email address is sam...@interfree.ca. I cant really be found on an y other public forums, as I find the vast majority of them just arent worth my time, due to unfair moderation, or unintelligent people. Lastly, Im not blaming Dark for banning me. I am posting, in full knowledge of what the results will be, as my personal ethics require. I expect that Dark will also follow his own personal convictions and ethics, and ban me for it. Thats how the world works.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177758#p177758 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Moderation! To prove that I am not actually the evil emperor Fastfinge believes I am, I will attempt to explain my position and exactly why the question of issuing a ban came up in the first place. I am not American, and though i do believe in the free exchange of ideas would also agree that opinions expressing racial, gender, and other forms of extreme prejudices should at least recieve a sharp public reprimand, although I would be more in favour of having such opinions heard and publically dismissed by a good judge of moral character than letting them fester. However my issue is that Fastfinge you seem to ascribe motivations of prejudice and elitism to a wide variety of opinions, rather than actually looking at what the person is saying. This results in you derailing the discussion with a long and bitter rant against a perceived inequality when the person in question most likely had no such beliefs.This is what I mean by inocent opinions, ie, ino cent of the forms of prejudice you believe them to hold.Sebby stated that he believed American English qualified as a separate language to British English. This said nothing about one being better or worse than another, merely a question of classification. It was an opinion containing no intrinsic moral or value judgements about the objects in question no different from the decision a few years ago to classify Pluto as a dwarf planet, rather than a central solar system planet as it had previously been sinse the status of dialect or language is not one with any intrinsic moral worth attached to it. Frankly Fastfinge, you seem very overly sensative on this issue, and that sensativity is interfering with the discussion sinse in the middle of a quite legitimate and calm topic you suddenly blow up with a long and rather out of place rant, and I could see such rants being less than welcoming to members, indeed I might add that as a Tirkish person living in Britain, and thus a member of a distinct racial minority Sebby might quite legitimately have grounds to be fairly upset when accused of racism himself. Indeed I recall a past occasion when I! found one of your rants directed at me less than pleasant. I actually do not wish to ban you at all, which is why Im offering this explanation, but frankly as the purpose of a forum is to promote discussion that discussion is not aided by you throwing around accusations left right and center or taking comments completely out of context. I can think of occasions in the past when less than pleasant opinions have been expressed on the forum, but those occasions are extremely and distinctly rare, and far less common than you seem to believe them to be sinse basically if someone is willing to be on a forum full of people, most of whom have disabilities from all different cultures and nations theyre not that likely to be a raging biggot, indeed I might say that your instant ascribing of bigoted motivations to people seems actually quite prejudiced in the purist and simplest sense, ie, a pre judgement of peoples motivations and values without having all of the facts or evidence.Therefor please take the time to actually listen to peoples opinions and considder the motivation of what is being saidbefore hurling around these giant rants, indeed Id be far happier if you used the report link, sinse I dont particularly want prejudiced opinions on this board either but would rather not have discussions interupted by constant accusations and flaming.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=10#p10 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @dark: I based my judgment on the following statement, in a previous post, by Sebby: it always infuriates me when American English creeps into formal contexts. This strongly implies that he believes American English should only be used in informal contexts, and I cant see any reason for that belief, other than a feeling that American English is inferior English. Im not sure what point you are trying to make, in telling me that Sebby is part of a minority group. In my experience, minorities, the disabled, and every other sub-group of people are equally prone to racism and bigotry. If I were trying to say he was prejudiced against people from Turckey, I could understand your purpose in saying this. But Im not; Im accusing him of prejudice and bigotry towards various English dialects, and I dont see how his cultural identity has any relation to that. I honestly came really, really close to reporting Sebbys first post, but didnt, because you had previously asked me to stop jumping the gun with my reports. I also did not believe you would act on my report, so the only way I could make the fact that I found the post unacceptable clear and unmistakable was to express it. And I did not intend to imply that I believe you are some kind of evil emperor. While I believe you are sometimes, maybe even frequently, wrong about a large number of things, I have immense respect for your job as a moderator. I will say that, on a reading of the rules, I cant really see what rule you would ban me under, or even what rule youre issuing me warnings over. However, following the rules exactly as written is never a good thing, because moderators need the flexibility to do what they believe is right, and rules lawyering never helped anyone. I believe that in banning me, and in your belief that Sebby has said nothing wrong, you are incorrect. But if you believe that yo u are right, as you obviously must, you have to act on your beliefs without compromise. I always do what I believe to be right, no matter what the consequences, and think everyone else should do the same. Your threat to ban me, therefor, must have had one of the following purposes:1. You want me to stop doing what I am doing, and show respect for opinions that I find distasteful in the extreme. I will not do this.2. You find my speech harmful in some way, and believe it must be suppressed. Asking me to stop saying what I am saying will not work, because I believe the posts that I have made in this thread are an ethical imperative for me. 3. You want me to leave the community for some other reason. You seem to have just indicated that this isnt the case. As I cant compromise on my ethics, I dont see that you have any alternative but to ban me. I dont want to be banned, either, obviously.& nbsp; But I dont see that I have ever done anything wrong, either by violating the rules, or otherwise. So if you believe I am harming your community, I cannot and will not change, so youll have to protect the rest of the community from whatever it is about me you find dangerous or objectionable. I suppose you could delete all of my posts that you dislike, for whatever reason, and that would probably eventually prompt me to leave the community on my own, but in my opinion, that would be a much less honourable solution than just kicking me out. The last time I was this close to getting banned was the filters issue. The only reason that never happened was because you compromised nearly completely on that one, changed all of the filter text to [spam], and delete filters I complain about almost immediately. Unless I am misunderstanding the depths of your convictions, Im not sure that a similar compromise on your part is possible over this issue, and I know that it isnt from me. So, yeah. This isnt criticism of you, or the rest of the moderation team. Its just a clear statement from me of where I believe that we stand. I have no idea if or how we can move forward from this point.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=16#p16 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents As I said, I believe you were incorrect on sebbys motivation, which is obviously not a belief you share. That is fine people disagree, however the reason the question of banning came into this discussion is that your frequent and unprovoked attacks on other members are disturbing the flow of discussion and the over all harmonious nature of the community. I also ias I said am fairly certain you missapprehend peoples opinions on frequent occasions, and thus launch attacks without cause other than your own belief. It doesnt matter, a person who strikes another in public because they perceived that other person as a threat is causing just as much potential danger to the community as someone who strikes another in public for some completely irrational reason. This is the sort of behaviour I wish you to stop and the reason I might need to issue a ban if you persist in it. It doesnt matter if you think you are correct, no more than if someone struck someone else because they thought the other person was threatening, it is an incorrect response to the situation, ant just as the correct response is to call the police if you believe a person to be threatening, the correct response on this forum is to report posts you believe are intended to be insulting. If you do not respect my judgement as a moderator to determine when something is! insulting, well feel free to contact Arqmeister or Nocturnus for a concensus view, however I will also note that Ive been a moderator for a considderable time, have made a number of judgement calls on member insults, have experienced various forms of prejudice myself in person, and at the same time have studdied ethics to a doctoral standard, so I believe myself to be a quite qualified judge of such matters, hence why I frankly do not see your unprovoked attacks on other members as legitimate and believe them to be detrimental to the community.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177782#p177782 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents As i said to you a while back fastfinge, just because you say so, doesnt make it so. Yes you have your point of view, thats fine. But when i read an interesting thread, only to find out that you have derailed yet another perfectly harmless conversation, i personally get offended, because it seems that you get a great thrill out of trying to place yourself high over anyone who might dare question the ethics of fastfinge. As an American, i took sebbys post as a joke, but then again, im pretty open minded. Im not the type to jump the gun, i know people rag on american culture all the time, so what? Personally, i think you have been given more rope than you deserve in this situation, because it seems like any flame topic that talks about ethics or forum rules has you right in the middle of the flames, making sure the masses hear your roar. To be frank, iv had enough with you preaching, and derailing topics. Personally, i dont understand why yo u feel the need to insert yourself in to every topic you have some moral or ethical problem with. Everyone is going to have a different point of view from you, so why not leave well enough alone and stop responding to threads you find offensive? I have been guilty of doing the very same thing, but i learned to draw the line and just keep out of topics i dont agree with. I prefer to join topics where i feel like my contributions are desired, and fuffilling to others. In other words, i want to talk with like minded people. Speaking of oppinions, it is my oppinion that you need to just take a step back 9 out of 10 times and keep your head up, because its clear that people have a problem with your delivery. I personally think that this alone is enough reason to ban you, because rather unpleasant topics are on this board with you taking center stage. As a moderator, i feel that you have been told one to many times to get off your high horse.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177788#p177788 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents I am afraid that I will have to side with both Dark and arqmeister in this predicament. While one might say that I am simply following the crowd or in this case, the moderation panel as it were, I can truthfully state that I rarely if ever speak to any of them, thus feel no obligation whatsoever to stand up for whatever they believe in. One might also say that I would stand up for their belief because I see moderation of this forum as a privelage, I can say in complete honesty that while I am honored to have been considered for this position I still see it as a job, a job that only pays when the members of this forum appreciate my contribution. Anything less than that simply makes this another responsibility I have in life which I agreed to take on because just like any other community, someones gotta take out the trash. IN having accepted such a responsibility I have willingly and gladly combated the many robotic entities that have threatened to rid us of the general flow that keeps this forum working properly, but its not fun, nor is making a decision I know might hurt someones feelings, especially if that someone is likely to come to me and continue the argument off the forum.Regarding this issue, I find nothing whatsoever insulting against American English on this topic. I was born in the United states and schooled by American teachers who drilled such a neutral American accent into me that it allowed no room for anything else, such as the southern accent which I was subjected to many times as I live in the state of Texas, or the New England accent I heard regularly from friends I have living up in that general area.And now for the real clincher; I am not of American descent. My parents are Mexicans and I jokingly mock my own races English to their faces. Yes, I humorously engage in conversations with them in their own dialect, which on my tongue actually feels exceptionally st range to me, but which they refuse to believe even exists because they feel comfortable speaking that way. IN turn, Ive had people from Australia make fun of my accent in friendly Jest. Far be it from me to be mad at them for doing such a thing, since I find it rather funny to begin with, and since its not hurting anyone.As far as I can tell fastfinge, you are the only person who has thus taken issue with the comment presented here by Sebby, which supports Arqs argument that just because you say something doesnt necessarily make it true. You have a right to not see it as funny; I wont attempt to take that away from you, nor should any other moderator. Do not, however, make the mistake of assuming that you speak for a body of people because you have an opinion you feel strongly for; this is where I believe you are wrong. Youve made your statements in such a way that makes me believe you are in fact casting judgem ent without asking what the person you are casting judgement on is truly saying or what there intention might be in writing such a thing. Sebby has made it clear that his first comment, the one that seems to have set you off was pure sarcasm. Couldnt you let it go? Perhaps his views, such as this concept of really, really caring about syntax as he puts it might be rather extreme, but just as you have a right to see what he says as bigoted nonsense he has a right to his own comforts. What do you do when you call for support for a tech product or some other service you have and the person who is attending you is speaking English but not in a way you can understand it? You can be patient and simply deal, which might end up in some form of trouble in future because both of you spoke a certain way and werent truly in agreement (trust me, I know from personal experience,) or you can politely ask to speak to someone else. Am I wrong? Will you call that bigoted nonsense?We are all attracted to different things; its part of what makes us who we are. We cant quite resist that sort of tug inside ourselves to hang out with certain people or engage in particular activities that interest us. You dont normally find people who talk about technology engaged in a biblical debate, nor do you find people who are sports fanatics talking to fishermen. Their preferences are different, and while they might meet somewhere down the line owing to a mutual interest of sorts it is no discrimination if they dont wish to pursue such matters.IN the case of English, I honestly cant for the life of me understand certain Australian or British accents, which has resulted in some frustration and sadness on my part because I have, no doubt, missed good humor from people who were capable of delivering it but who I simply could not comprehend because their accent was so strange to me. Is that bigoted? What would you suggest I do about it? Should I slow them down? Tell them to switch over to something I will understand? Draw them out of their comfort zones? I dont think so. I have to politely understand that they are who
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Re: english accents Moderation! I have E-mailed nocturns and Arqmeister on this matter, and will close this topic as it seems there is little else to be said. If anyone wishes to continue a sensible discussion of accents please post a new thread, indeed I would encourage Sebby or Camochek to do that sinse the topics of accents and dialects or alternatives in english is an interesting one and doesnt need to fall into this semi moral mire.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177814#p177814 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Moderation! I have E-mailed nocturns and Arqmeister on this matter, and will close this topic as it seems there is little else to be said. If anyone wishes to continue a sensible discussion of accents please post a new thread, indeed I would encourage Sebby or Camochek to do that sinse the topics of accents and dialects or alternatives in english is an interesting one and has little to do with racism, morality, bigotry or overblown emotional responses at least as far as Im concerned.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177814#p177814 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Searching for English accents on youtube will give you a lot of samples. Have you tried that, to start?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177606#p177606 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Well its a bit difficult to say which accent games are createe if the game is self voiced youll here the accent, while if its a textual game you will obviously hear it with what voice you have set for your screen reader. It is sometimes possible to tell a dialect or style of accent from a persons word choice and written grammar, and indeed sinse I for example being English prefer an English synthesisser, which makes say a typically American phrase such as Ill be right back sound rather weerd. Btw, there is no such thing as a British English accent. Remember Britain is made up of four countries, England, Ireland Scotland and wales, and each has their own accent as well as a lot of variations in Local dialects. What most people mean when they say A british accent is what is commonly called Queens English or Oxford english, which is sort of the way I speak myself (listen to my smugglers 5 review if you want to hear my natural speaking voice), however if you heard the jordies up here in the northeast speak you might think you were in a different country! :d.Its actually quite amazing how different peoples accents in the Uk are across such a small area, you can literally go 50 miles and find people speaking very differently.If you have access to an Iphone you can change the dialect of your phone to several varients of English, south african, American, australian for example, that might be a good way to hear a few different accents, though that has only some of the major varients on it and none of the more specific dialects.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177608#p177608 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents hi.and which british english my sinthesiser is?i using daniel.and dark, where is your revew of smugglers 5? to heare your accent?kamochek.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177615#p177615 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Hi. Scansoft Daniel is very much the standard Queens english, actually he sounds rather like a news announcer on the bbc . that is why Daniel is also my voice of choice sinse he tends to work well with my grammar and the way I write much as Id speak. As for my podcast on smugglers 5 go and look in general game discussion and youll find the link there.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177619#p177619 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Well its a bit difficult to say which accent games are createe if the game is self voiced youll here the accent, while if its a textual game you will obviously hear it with what voice you have set for your screen reader. It is sometimes possible to tell a dialect or style of accent from a persons word choice and written grammar, and indeed sinse I for example being English prefer an English synthesisser, which makes say a typically American phrase such as Ill be right here sound rather weerd. Btw, there is no such thing as a British English accent. Remember Britain is made up of four countries, England, Ireland Scotland and wales, and each has their own accent as well as a lot of variations in Local dialects. What most people mean when they say A british accent is what is commonly called Queens English or Oxford english, which is sort of the way I speak myself (listen to my smugglers 5 review if you want to hear my natural speaking voice), however if you heard the jordies up here in the northeast speak you might think you were in a different country! :d.Its actually quite amazing how different peoples accents in the Uk vary so much across such a small area, you can literally go 50 miles and find people speaking very differently, indeed I believe varients in English dialect is probably wider in Britain than it is in some other countries like America or Australia, at least based on the americans and Australians Ive heard speak though i could be wrong on this as I havent traveled completely across either of those countries to hear local accent variations.If you have access to an Iphone you can change the dialect of your phone to several varients of English, south african, American, australian for example, that might be a good way to hear a few different accents, though that has only some of the major varients on it and none of the more specific dialects.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177608#p177608 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents Daniels all right, very compatible with me too, when I can understand him (usually on smaller speakers, like the iPhone). People say that my accent is Very neutral, as it so often is with people who have been brought up in the UK from some other descent and learned the language in a more formal fashion.For an amusing panoply of English accents, theres the set in eSpeak.I personally wouldnt describe non-British dialects of English as such, but thats just my opinion. Americans, for example, speak American, with those delightful expressions of theirs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177631#p177631 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @sebby: That is offensive and bigoted nonsense. Do East Indians speak Indian then, not Indian English? And I guess Koreans always speak Korean, even when theyre actually speaking Korean English (IE words like handphone, and expressions like fighting! etc). The idea that American and Australian are languages is so obviously stupid I think I can safely ignore it without comment. Living in Canada will make you aware that hundreds of thousands of English dialects exist, as it has become kind of an international language, and the number based on or even remotely related to British English are the vast minority. Most are based off of various pigeons, American English via missionaries and the media, the influences of other Latin descended languages, or second-hand teaching (an ESL Pakistani teachers teaching English, for example). Please try and keep your linguistic racism out of an otherwise useful discussion, and remember that dialect is a real word, with a real meaning, that you dont get to redefine just because you hate foreigners speaking your precious language. @dark: Until recently, whenever North Americans referred to British English, we almost always meant RP. While we were vaguely aware of the other accents, they were always Yorkshire, or Welsh, or whatever, and British English always had that one clear meaning. However, with the recent popularity of things like Dr Who, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, etc, this has started to change. Also, the BBC has relaxed significantly about the kind of accents it allows over the World Service in the last 10 years or so, so the perception that British English is the primary accent in the UK is starting to fade away. Interestingly, there are 5 different Canadian English accents, and you will hear none of them on the CBC. We could stand to take a page out of the BBCs book and chill out a little, I think.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177646#p177646 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @fastfinge: make that a controversial opinion. Are you American, by any chance? It is also my opinion that Americans often miss sarcasm. No, I generally describe most dialects as simply dialects of English. American seems to be the exception. Most Americans seem to intuitively realise this; sometimes they occasionally) even forget that International English originated in England, rather than U.S. English, which of course didnt.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177647#p177647 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @fastfinge: make that a controversial opinion. Are you American, by any chance? It is also my opinion that Americans often miss sarcasm. No, I generally describe most dialects as simply dialects of English. American seems to be the exception. Most Americans seem to intuitively realise this; sometimes they occasionally) even forget that International English originated in England, rather than U.S. English, which of course didnt.Edit: please look up the meaning of the words Racism and Dialect. You will also be pleased to learn that Im not sufficiently patriotic to be defending English on purely national grounds; in fact, I think its a fairly horrible language, as it goes. Id suggest usage of the OED , but feel free to use MW if its closer to home.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177647#p177647 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @Sebby: No, Im Canadian. But never the less, your linguistic elitism is not grounded in any kind of linguistic or scientific reality, and quite frankly utterly inappropriate for discussion here. I agree that English isnt a particularly good language. But it is an international one. Attempts to assert any kind of national claim on modern English are unwelcome and incorrect. And I use the Canadian OED, because that is a thing that exists no matter how you feel about it, and my uses of the words dialect, racism, and bigot are entirely correct. You dont get to declare that American is a different language just because you dislike Americans, and that is exactly what you are trying to do. It is as wrong, and as inappropriate, as saying Australians speak Australian, South Africans speak African, and Indians speak Indian. And saying it is a controversial opinion does not buy you a get out of jail free card. Try telling a group of feminists that it is your controversial opinion that men are smarter than women, and women should work exclusively in the home, and see how far that gets you. There are some opinions that nobody in modern society should hold, and if you do hold them, they should never be expressed in a public forum.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177648#p177648 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents @Sebby: No, Im Canadian. But never the less, your linguistic elitism is not grounded in any kind of linguistic or scientific reality, and quite frankly utterly inappropriate for discussion here. I agree that English isnt a particularly good language. But it is an international one. Attempts to assert any kind of national claim on modern English are unwelcome and incorrect. And I use the Canadian OED, because that is a thing that exists no matter how you feel about it, and my uses of the words dialect, racism, and bigot are entirely correct. You dont get to declare that American is a different language just because you dislike Americans, and that is exactly what you are trying to do. It is as wrong, and as inappropriate, as saying Australians speak Australian, South Africans speak African, and Indians speak Indian. And saying it is a controversial opinion does not buy you a get out of jail free card. Try telling a group of feminists that it is your controversial opinion that men are smarter than women, and women should work exclusively in the home, and see how far that gets you. There are some opinions that nobody in modern society should hold, and if you do hold them, they should never be expressed in a public forum.Edit:Dialect: A subordinate variety of a language with non-standard vocabulary, pronunciation, or grammar.If I were defining it, I would remove the word subordinate, because it smacks of British imperial arrogance. But never the less, American English is a dialect.Racism: A belief in the superiority of a particular race.You will note that I used the phrase linguistic racism in my original post, and that is exactly what you are demonstrating.Bigot: a person intolerant of anothers beliefs, race, politics, etc.What I am saddened to discover you, in fact, are, towards dialects of English not your own.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177648#p177648 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents fastfinge wrote:@Sebby: No, Im Canadian. But never the less, your linguistic elitism is not grounded in any kind of linguistic or scientific reality, and quite frankly utterly inappropriate for discussion here.Then it is opinion. And your claim, equally, is opinion, that holds equal weight. Well have to agree to disagree, Im afraid.I agree that English isnt a particularly good language. But it is an international one. Attempts to assert any kind of national claim on modern English are unwelcome and incorrect.When I am communicating about every dialect of English that is spoken and recognised worldwide, I speak of English. When I refer to a dialect of English, I refer to it as, for example, Australian English or South African English. I really cant understand why anyone would object to making that distinction . They are varieties of English that originated in their particular regions and should be respected as idiosyncratic of those regions. I think US English is sufficiently weird that I jokingly call it American, and I only use the term British English when referring to the especially well-known varieties like RP/academic/royal (I usually single out local variations, like northern, Irish, Welsh, etc). I am, as I said, quite reluctant to refer to all English, except when speaking about all English, simply as English. If we disagree, then it will have to be on equal terms.And I use the Canadian OED, because that is a thing that exists no matter how you feel about it, and my uses of the words dialect, racism, and bigot are entirely correct.Bigot, quite probably. (Note: the immediately preceding sentence is meant to be humour. You spell Humour with a u, BTW.) The other two, I& #039;m not so sure. Either we dont have the same book, or youre extraordinarily sensitive. I am not (and would not) attack anyone based on race, and a dialect is a peculiarity of a language. What I think youre saying is that you think Im excluding a group of people based on their choice of language, but Im not. Its also not racism. Again though, I prefer to identify dialects as such.And Im pleased to hear that you use the OED. I think its ponderous and pedantic, but its an excellent dictionary.You dont get to declare that American is a different language just because you dislike Americans, and that is exactly what you are trying to do.Did I say I disliked Americans? I find it irritating, for sure, and it always infuriates me when American English creeps into formal contexts. Its Based on, not Based off of, for goodness 39; sake. But it is a language that people use, so I dont hate people for it.It is as wrong, and as inappropriate, as saying Australians speak Australian, South Africans speak African, and Indians speak Indian.The mitigating factor is that the term US English is essentially redundant; English is the USs primary language. In other cases, especially for colonial regions, there is the danger of some implied racial prejudice, which of course there isnt in my comments. Also, yes, American English is particularly annoying sometimes; I reserve the right to make fun of it whenever I please.And saying it is a controversial opinion does not buy you a get out of jail free card. Try telling a group of feminists that it is your controversial opinion that men are smarter than women, and women should work exclusively in the home, and see how far that gets you. There are some opinions that nobody in modern society should hold, and if you do hold them, they should never be expressed in a public forum.Its nice to see that you care about equality, but Im afraid I cant understand the source of your offence. I think you need to start with the expectation that people are good. You also need to realise that some opinions will not be agreeable to you, and calling them Offensive or shunning the person for them without a widely accepted standard of ethics to support it is not likely to engender people to your cause.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177652#p177652 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: english accents hi.i think also the english of south africa is like the british english, because my english teacher rita, came from south africa, but if listen to her you can think that she is from britan.so am i write about that the south african english is like british?and dont forget also, that english accent can be not only english.for example: did you hared english in russian accent, or hebrew accent?and a question: david greenwood is from canada as i understood, and in canada is 5 diferent accents.the games: shades of doom and gma tank commander in which accent of english they are?and sarah in which accent of english?and also i in the saloon of grizly gulch, there is a strange accent i think.i have the game, and in some points of it the game have a strange english accent.but in which accent this game is?and maybe you know some of our games with the british accent?kamochek.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177669#p177669 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: english accents
Re: english accents hi.i think also the english of south africa is like the british english, because my english teacher rita, came from south africa, but if listen to her you can think that she is from britan.so am i write about that the south african english is like british?and dont forget also, that english accent can be not only english.for example: did you hared english in russian accent, or hebrew accent?and a question: david greenwood is from canada as i understood, and in canada is 5 diferent accents.the games: shades of doom and gma tank commander in which accent of english they are?and sarah in which accent of english?and also i in the saloon of grizly gulch, there is a strange accent i think.i have the game, and in some points of it the game have a strange english accent.but in which accent this game is?and maybe you know some of our games with the british accent?hey dark, if im not mistaken, in england ther e are diferent words for some things than in america.for example: in america saying: elevator, and in england saying: lift.am i wright?kamochek.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=177669#p177669 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
