Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader!
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! well hello there, let me add a few tit bits to what has been said, and throw my own pallets in to the mix. first off a few observations is in order.I completely do agree with many of the posters that microsoft should enable basic sound support from the get go. how ever due to the diverse hardware platforms out there most of it is not possible. but, in todays modern technology since windows vista, they now use a generic, hi defenition audio controler chip. driver. what this meens is, that windows has already the generic basic standard run of the mill driver to interact with any sound card that conforms to the hi defenition audio standard. this is why, for example, most sound cards, such as realtech, and many others wil just work, even though it meens there advanced features is disabled.the issue as to why microsoft cant offer this support in to there basic windows P E in vironment, is what is bugging me, lets look at an example. u start up your windows repair disk to restore your computer from a system image you created.it is as easy as py for microsoft to have incorperate this hi defenition audio driver. so that any USB audio device wil work, or be recognised,in fact again, any sound card conforming to this, wich is almost all of them, except those who uses proprietory drivers, like creative, just to name one? wil not work.but, for me this is vital that they should at leest in clude some sort of basic support. it wil not be gigs in size. rather only megs. as we only need basic generic out put. to gain access to the hi defenition audio buss. in fact, incorperating narrator in to that basic repair disk image wil not be huge either. they can, easily create narrator to run, again, they do not even have to do that. all they need to do is, if u do use windows image backup. to backup your system, and it asks you if u wish to create a repair disk. the only thing it has to ask u then is, would u like to crea te a repair disk using speech, or no speech. simple. if u say speech. narrators included. theres so many easy ways microsoft can allow a talking install to happen.because, even if u do have. a sound card that does not conform to the generic hi defenition audio stack, u stil wil have a USB headset or sound card, right? and guess what. again windows has basic generic audio drivers for them. this is why, when u buy a whireless USB headset from the shops. windows recognises them easily and u ahve speech,well not even get started as to why microsoft does not allow u to use the windows audio service in safe mode. yep its disabled, u got to use a registry hack to tell windows to use the service in future. when u startup safe mode. and its only valid again, for the USB audio devices and so on.i have rambled quite a bit. but i do hope i made the points clear.1. its defenatly possible for MS to input sound support for inisial install. from a instelation disk, or repair disk. 2. its defenatly possible to in corperate narrator. or basic version there of. allowing a keypress to activate it.but guys, sadly,3. they wil not do so.because here is how they work.they work acording to profitability, feezability, and in so dooing, they ask the question. what bugs/suggestions can we fix and make better in windows that wil in proove most peoples experiences.sadly guys, we are in the minority.what i am saying is, sure they no they can do this for us.but we represent a very, very small portion of there income sorce. this is why narrator has stagnated over the years. yes its in prooving. but it could go so much further.it can,so i do hope that in time, it will.but those are just my inputs here and i hope i cleared up some confusion about why MS does what it does.i am stil trying my self to try to get a windows recovery invironment that is sixty 4 bit with NVDA b ecause i stil have to use the windows repair disk, and i sometimes forget the steps needed to restore my system. image of a sad face.so sadly i also struggle with this at times.i wish i new of a backup selution that u can just work with outside windows.if any one nose about one. please pop me a tip so i can track it down.and buy it.i actualy brought the levtec recovery in vironment standard software, but its a very, very, very slow process, and you have to input a slew of boot commands to get things working again after image restoration on win seven.since they use a newer boot scheme.. and o, yes, i am stil trying to investigate as to how to get a propper sixty 4 bit selution for nvda to work on. but the moment i do, i wil share it, but until then, i am stuck as well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214701#p214701 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader!
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! well hello there, let me add a few tit bits to what has been said, and throw my own pallets in to the mix. first off a few observations is in order.I completely do agree with many of the posters that microsoft should enable basic sound support from the get go. how ever due to the diverse hardware platforms out there most of it is not possible. but, in todays modern technology since windows vista, they now use a generic, hi defenition audio controler chip. driver. what this meens is, that windows has already the generic basic standard run of the mill driver to interact with any sound card that conforms to the hi defenition audio standard. this is why, for example, most sound cards, such as realtech, and many others wil just work, even though it meens there advanced features is disabled.the issue as to why microsoft cant offer this support in to there basic windows P E in vironment, is what is bugging me, lets look at an example. u start up your windows repair disk to restore your computer from a system image you created.it is as easy as py for microsoft to have incorperate this hi defenition audio driver. so that any USB audio device wil work, or be recognised,in fact again, any sound card conforming to this, wich is almost all of them, except those who uses proprietory drivers, like creative, just to name one? wil not work.but, for me this is vital that they should at leest in clude some sort of basic support. it wil not be gigs in size. rather only megs. as we only need basic generic out put. to gain access to the hi defenition audio buss. in fact, incorperating narrator in to that basic repair disk image wil not be huge either. they can, easily create narrator to run, again, they do not even have to do that. all they need to do is, if u do use windows image backup. to backup your system, and it asks you if u wish to create a repair disk. the only thing it has to ask u then is, would u like to crea te a repair disk using speech, or no speech. simple. if u say speech. narrators included. theres so many easy ways microsoft can allow a talking install to happen.because, even if u do have. a sound card that does not conform to the generic hi defenition audio stack, u stil wil have a USB headset or sound card, right? and guess what. again windows has basic generic audio drivers for them. this is why, when u buy a whireless USB headset from the shops. windows recognises them easily and u ahve speech,well not even get started as to why microsoft does not allow u to use the windows audio service in safe mode. yep its disabled, u got to use a registry hack to tell windows to use the service in future. when u startup safe mode. and its only valid again, for the USB audio devices and so on.i have rambled quite a bit. but i do hope i made the points clear.1. its defenatly possible for MS to input sound support for inisial install. from a instelation disk, or repair disk. 2. its defenatly possible to in corperate narrator. or basic version there of. allowing a keypress to activate it.but guys, sadly,3. they wil not do so.because here is how they work.they work acording to profitability, feezability, and in so dooing, they ask the question. what bugs/suggestions can we fix and make better in windows that wil in proove most peoples experiences.sadly guys, we are in the minority.what i am saying is, sure they no they can do this for us.but we represent a very, very small portion of there income sorce. this is why narrator has stagnated over the years. yes its in prooving. but it could go so much further.it can,so i do hope that in time, it will.but those are just my inputs here and i hope i cleared up some confusion about why MS does what it does.i am stil trying my self to try to get a windows recovery invironment that is sixty 4 bit with NVDA b ecause i stil have to use the windows repair disk, and i sometimes forget the steps needed to restore my system. image of a sad face.so sadly i also struggle with this at times.i wish i new of a backup selution that u can just work with outside windows.if any one nose about one. please pop me a tip so i can track it down.and buy it.i actualy brought the levtec recovery in vironment standard software, but its a very, very, very slow process, and you have to input a slew of boot commands to get things working again after image restoration on win seven.since they use a newer boot scheme. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214701#p214701 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Flyby, the advancement of the technology which is around nowadays, certainly must allow us to use a talking installer during the initial setup.I think the problem which has Microsoft is big not only for the lack of money put on this section, but also because theres not a serious staff working on the screen reader. Its not the same for all, of course. Apple, for example, has put a lot of efferd in improving the accessibility, and in fact has done a pretty good job and iPhone is spreading among the blind community. so Its gaining success, isnt it?I dont have access and I dont have information on how many people and who works on Apple for the accessibility, but I know that they have done the best job in improving accessibility so far. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214705#p214705 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! @Chris,In this time we live, its not only important, Id rather call it vital. The legislative system requires that a public platform, (windows in this case is a public one) must be accessible to all categories of people, including blinds.So I think we should discuss nomore about this. It should have been done years and years before.I still dont see Narrator as a fully-functional screen reader. It needs lots of work on it. Although Im not an expert, and I dont intend to be one someday, the problems are so much visible that everybody can identify them. In short words, I dont see Narrator a screen reader which can be used in daily basis. Maybe Im completely wrong, but Talk back on android (4.4.2) is highly superior to Narrator. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214540#p214540 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! The lag for Narrator might be due to the tts voice, not the screen reader. Im still not completely sure whats at fault here.Having the ability to install the operating system is very, very important. This is why Im using Mac OS X. SInce 10.4, Tiger, you have been able to boot from the install disk, press command f5, and independently install the operating system. That is very useful if your computer breaks down or something happens that requires you to reinstall. The argument that Narrator owrks when you first get a PC is not valid because the computers you buy from HP and Dell already have Windows pre-installed.I have left feedback about these issues in the WIndows feedback application in the tech preview. Well see what happens. Once again, I encourage anyone who feels the same as I do to post feedback. I think the more people we have submitting feedback like this, the morel ikely it will happen. Afterall, isnt this tech preview for the users to help build Windows 10? The blind should be able to contribute as well. I just hope they listen to us this time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214505#p214505 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! @Afrim, the preview you heard is completely and utterly outdated. I have windows 10 technical preview version 10.0.10074 and I have to say its quite usable. The only thing I hate is that windows 10 disabled my FN key, so I cant press delete, page up, page down, insert, or change my system volume quickly and efficiently. Damn you, Microsoft! And people call it The software giant. Yeah right. The only thing Microsoft is is a bunch of idiots who have no way to listen to feedback. This petition will get us absolutely nowhere. I have submitted multiple requests to improve accessibility during the windows install and during many other aspects of windows that are not accessible, such as the bootloader - which CentOS has somehow achieved a little - but what will they do? The will not listen! I even sent them a request for a product key replacement - but they say no, you have to buy it again! WTF, Microsoft? I am not paying another $120.00 for Microsoft Windows again! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214504#p214504 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader!
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! @Chris,In this time we live, its not only important, Id rather call it vital. Apart from legislative system, which requires that a public platform, (windows in this case is a public one) must be accessible to all categories of people, including blinds.So I think we should discuss nomore about this. It should have been done years and years before.I still dont see Narrator as a fully-functional screen reader. It needs lots of work on it. Although Im not an expert, and I dont intend to be one someday, the problems are so much visible that everybody can identify them. In short words, I dont see Narrator a screen reader which can be used in daily basis. Maybe Im completely wrong, but Talk back on android (4.4.2) is highly superior to Narrator. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214540#p214540 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hello everybody!bWhat are the improvements to the narrator in recent builds of Windows 10? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214473#p214473 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! @ChrisActually you’re right. On a review, or comparison among narrator of win 7, win 8.1 and windows 10 Preview recorded by Cool blind tech, I didn’t see any noticeable changes which made the difference from windows 8.1.The David voice had been removed, and an Indian English voice had been introduced. Microsoft Hazel (British) and Microsoft Sira (American) are still there. I don’t see any reason why they ought to remove David voice, it was one of the best in windows 8.1.I know there might be other improvements which we’ll find out by the time windows 10 final version is released, but I am not expecting so much from it.It’s a real shame for a company which has been on the market for more than 20 years to have such a bad accessibility While Android, a company which was founded in 2009 is far better conserning accessibility. Yet I find windows the company which has made the less noticeable progression regarding accessibility comparing to others. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214496#p214496 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! I have not noticed anything except how Narrator announces checkboxes now. Its actually quite disappointing. I was hoping Microsoft was finally shaping up. Oh well, Windows 10 isnt out of beta yet. Still, Im afraid we wont have any meaningful updates. Then again, who knows. I just hope something happens pretty soon. As it stands right now, I have more respect for Apple and Google. I mean, look at the recent Talkback beta. Im still hopeful, although my hopes are beginning to die as we near the release of 10. Im also hopeful that Windows Phone will get some substantial updates. It would be nice if all the buttons in the stock Microsoft apps were finally labeled and we could access the action center with Narrator. I got excited when they put Narrator into WIndows Phone 8.1. I just hope this isnt a one time accessibility improvement. Guys, I juss dont know anymore. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214492#p214492 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Windows 10 final version has not been launched yet, so I don’t know what are the features that does Narrator provide. In my opinion, following my short and ongoing experience on windows 8.1, I find Narrator usable, but terribly slow. The speed at which it navigates through menus and options is undoubtedly slow, I mean compared to other screen readers like Jaws, NVDA or window eyes. It’s accessible, although it could be far and way better, but the speed is what lags the most. Moreover, they must use some more simple shortcuts for example, why shouldn’t I press up or down arrow to navigate through the lines of a document in MS word?Furthermore, I find something on narrator much frustrating, which unfortunately was not gone by the release of windows 8.1. When you navigate from a program to another or from desktop to a certain opened program, narrator won’t speak. You have to do it another time but slower to make the cursor position on the currently focused application.Another thing I don’t like, is how we interact with the mouse when we use it with narrator in windows 8.1.I can’t explain it exclusively, but I myself don’t find it so working on a touchpad in a laptop.While reading the previous posts on this topic, I find chris’s posts much appreciated.Windows itself must provide a talking installer when we install a copy of windows on our computers. For example, I know very good English, but none of my family members know to speek, neither read it. So if I have to format my laptop and jump to another edition of windows, I won’t find a way to do it on my own, so I have to go to a service centre and tell the guy there to do what I need.I know the audio drivers do not work during the setup installation, but following this progression that is occurring nowadays, I assume this problem might be overcame. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214494#p214494 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader!
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! @ChrisActually you’re right. On a review, or comparison among narrator of win 7, win 8.1 and windows 10 Preview recorded by Cool blind tech, I didn’t see any noticeable changes which made the difference from windows 8.1.The David voice had been removed, and an Indian English voice had been introduced. Microsoft Hazel (British) and Microsoft Sira (American) are still there. I don’t see any reason why they ought to remove David voice, it was one of the best in windows 8.1.I know there might be other improvements which we’ll find out by the time windows 10 final version is released, but I am not expecting so much from it.It’s a real shame for a company which has been on the market for more than 20 years to have such a bad accessibility While Android, a company which was founded in 2009 is far better conserning accessibility. Yet I find windows the company which has made the less noticeable progression regarding accessibility.Windows 10 final version has not been launched yet, so I don’t know what are the features that does Narrator provide. In my opinion, following my short and ongoing experience on windows 8.1, I find Narrator usable, but terribly slow. The speed at which it navigates through menus and options is undoubtedly slow, I mean compared to other screen readers like Jaws, NVDA or window eyes. It’s accessible, although it could be far and way better, but the speed is what lags the most. Moreover, they must use some more simple shortcuts for example, why shouldn’t I press up or down arrow to navigate through the lines of a document in MS word?Furthermore, I find something on narrator much frustrating, which unfortunately was not gone by the release of windows 8.1. When you navigate from a program to another or from desktop to a certain opened program, narrator won’t speak. You have to do it another time but slower to make the cursor position on the currently focused application.Another thing I don’t like, is how we interact with the mouse when we use it with narrator in windows 8.1.I can’t explain it exclusively, but I myself don’t find it so working on a touchpad in a laptop.While reading the previous posts on this topic, I find chris’s posts much appreciated.Windows itself must provide a talking installer when we install a copy of windows on our computers. For example, I know very good English, but none of my family members know to speek, neither read it. So if I have to format my laptop and jump to another edition of windows, I won’t find a way to do it on my own, so I have to go to a service centre and tell the guy there to do what I need.I know the audio drivers do not work during the setup installation, but following this progression that is occurring nowadays, I assume this problem might be overcame. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214496#p214496 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! I have not noticed anything except how Narrator announces checkboxes now. Its actually quite disappointing. I was hoping Microsoft was finally shaping up. Oh well, Windows 10 isnt out of beta yet. Still, Im afraid we wont have any meaningful updates. Then again, who knows. I just hope something happens pretty soon. As it stands right now, I have more repsect for Apple and Google. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214492#p214492 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hello everybody! Ok, but as the orca can have talks during the Linux installation? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=208742#p208742 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Yes, but thats because Linux creates a live environment before starting the Linux installation. Windows starts WinPE, which is a pre-installation environment. Narrator cant run with that. Plus, we know they wont listen to our requests - so this is kind of pointless anyways. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=208753#p208753 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi.I got sited assistance and totally see where youre coming from. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207593#p207593 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Just use Winstaller. Just because you have to pay for it doesnt mean you shouldnt use it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207588#p207588 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hmmm, well well see. I was surprised when I found quite a bit of feedback about narrator when searching the Windows feedback app. Maybe this will make a difference, I dont know. I guess well just have to wait and see.@Brad, The problem is that you keep getting Windows computers that have pre-installed copies of Windows. The reason narrator works is because the system is already installed. The issue is that it doesnt speak during the initial setup where you choose an install drive etc. This is bad since if your computer fails or you get a virus, you cannot fix the problem if youre totally blind like me. It is very, very frustrating.Interesting idea about sound drivers. So are you saying its just a generic sound driver? I dont exactly follow. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207582#p207582 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hello,I highly doubt that it will take 2 gb just for sound drivers to be inserted. Most driver installs are around 50 mb or less, and even then we wont necessarily need the drivers for every single soundcard, but well need enough that will work commonly. As to winstaller, the point is were not using it because we have to pay for it, we are, rather, not using it because we are paying for something that the sighted get for free, right out of a box of a custom build. For Winstaller, wed have to configure it on our current pcs we use first, which is besides the point. These people are not talking about preinstalled stuff, they are talking about completely clean installations with absolutely no bloatware or software included. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207602#p207602 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi.Thanks for explaining, I understand now and hope that those drivers are added in the future. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207570#p207570 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! hi brad,Ill explain why it doesnt work. You can only use narrator for the configuration screens. You cant use it for the part of the install where you create/format/delete partitions. And btw, microsoft doesnt need to include 2 gb worth of drivers. You can create a generic class driver for the basic sound functions like microsoft did with printer drivers or mouse drivers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207569#p207569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi.Regarding lack of sound drivers, why not? Why cant they put sound drivers for the most common PC hardware into the Windows PE or what ever is launched when you boot up a Windows image. Dont tell me Microsoft cant do this. If Brian Smart made a talking Windows PE disk with NVDA working, what is so hard about putting some sound drivers and a copy of narrator into the install to help you format your drive and do what ever else you need to do? Seriously, why hasnt this happened? Again, you cant tell me that the all mighty Microsoft with god knows how many resources cant do this. If nothing else in terms of accessibility improvements is made, this needs to be the thing that gets put in. Also, the sound driver issue really isnt a problem if youre using a virtual machine or a USB sound card or what ever.Moving along, why are the Microsoft voices so laggy? I dont understand because they dont sound extremely high quality. Yet, Sam, Mike, Mary, and Anna were more responsive.Finally, does anyone know what the give positive and negative feedback commands do in the tech preview?I know this is going to sound weird, but I havent been this excited about Windows in a long time. I think Ive gotten excited because a. We saw improvements in narrator in Windows 8, even though 8 was a flop. b. We also saw Microsoft put narrator into Windows Phone 8.1. So, at this stage, Im hopeful that if they continue to do what they are doing, we may have a usable screen reader out of the box. Of course, I could be completely wrong, in which case Ill just crawl back to OS X. Actually, I dont think I would use Windows as a primary OS, I just want to see some truly native accessibility that is useful. Sorry if this sounded a little harsh, but these are just my thoughts/opinions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207530#p207530 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hmmm, why that big for audio drivers? I mean, the basic TWPE image is only about 300 megs and contains a wide variety of drivers for sound. I could be missing something.No, I am not paying for Winstaller because again, I am not paying more money just to access a Windows feature that sighted people get for free. If I have to, I will continue to use the free and perfectly usable talking images that people have posted on here and the one in the TWPE project. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207545#p207545 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! @Chris, Have you seen the size of the windows install? About 3 GB for the ISO. To put sound drivers for the most common sound drivers on Windows PE environments would increase the size by about 2 to 5 GB, making it 5 to 9 GB in size. No one, I believe, wants to download such a large disk image.Plus, there is already a way to get windows to talk without NVDA injection: Its called Winstaller, and while its commercial, its definitely worth the purchase. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207543#p207543 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! You have to realize that the problem with initial setup is that sound drivers are not always installed... and without those, narrator cant work. Nevertheless a good suggestion, and well see what comes of it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207464#p207464 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi.I dont understand what all the fuss is about?Im able to use narator to set up windows eight, and windows eight point one fine. and Ill be able to set up windows 10 as well, well Im guessing so since eight and eight point one worked fine.Once you update to windows 10 and your computer restarts a couple of times, (I use knfb reader to see whats going on there, but you dont have to, you can just wait for about 20 minutes or less and everything will be done.) Then you press windows plus enter and Narator starts up straight away.Even when getting a new laptop I was able to use narator out of the box, as it were. So I dont get how people can say it doesnt work?Can someone explain this? Thanks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207550#p207550 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi everyone.So, I joined the Windows Insider program in the hopes that my feedback for narrator can make a change. I encourage everyone who is a member of the insider program to post feedback about issues with narrator. For instance, I just posted that narrator cant be used in the initial setup of Windows. This is a serious issue that has gone ignored for far too long. Anyway, I plan to give narrator feedback in then opes that we can finally make a change. As I said before, I encourage everyone who is in the Insider program to give narrator and accessibility feedback. I think we may be able to make a difference. Then again, maybe this wont work and Im wasting my energy. What do you guys think?I know one thing for certain, we have to be able to use narrator in Windows installation. This is a critical issue that has been overlooked for far too long. I know I said it before, but this is extremely important. This is currently why I prefer OS X, but that s for another topic. So, again, what do you guys think? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207453#p207453 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader!
2015-01-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Perfect time for me to jump in here i think...narrator was mainly designed, at least for the time being, to work with Microsoft products, including Microsoft Office Online. That being said, since scripting and Braille support is heading on over to it soon, we shall see!In the mean time, here are currently all of the MS Narrator accessibility pages I can find: Narrator Official Site: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wind … =windows-8Narrator Office 2013 Support Pages:https://support.office.com/en-ie/articl … 5b64e8cfb2Office Online Documentation Library:https://support.office.com/en-us/articl … a88e0e329eNew accessibility enhancements for Office Online (Entry from Ofice Blogs):http://blogs.office.com/2015/01/09/new- … ce-online/Microsoft Accessibility (Official Site):http://www.microsoft.com/enable/Narrator On Windows Phone (8.1+):http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/how-t … n-my-phoneAs a side note, Cool Blind Tech, and Main Menu, have both done some Windows narrator coverage as well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=201489#p201489 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader!
2015-01-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Perfect time for me to jump in here i think...narrator was mainly designed, at least for the time being, to work with Microsoft products, including Microsoft Office Online. That being said, since scripting and Braille support is heading on over to it soon, we shall see!In the mean time, here are currently all of the MS Narrator accessibility pages I can find: Narrator Official Site: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wind … =windows-8Narrator Office 2013 Support Pages:https://support.office.com/en-ie/articl … 5b64e8cfb2Office Online Documentation Library:https://support.office.com/en-us/articl … a88e0e329eNew accessibility enhancements for Office Online (Entry from Ofice Blogs):http://blogs.office.com/2015/01/09/new- … ce-online/Microsoft Accessibility (Official Site):http://www.microsoft.com/enable/Narrator On Windows Phone (8.1+):http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/how-t … n-my-phone URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=201489#p201489 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! hello everyone!I have two questions:1: Ill probably install windows 10 on a vm. Can I install with the help of the narrator?2: the narrator can browse with firefox using the arrow keys? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=201401#p201401 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! agreed with post 15 as well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200517#p200517 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! I hope Microsoft will take this suggestions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200529#p200529 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! bt, I have to agree with cris, one of the reasons why I voted for both the pititions. also, what does Narrator do when compared to something like VO? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200410#p200410 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! ok, someone created the same petition in microsofts own website. heres the link if anyone wants to vote. https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/26 … ader-to-wi URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200409#p200409 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! As others have stated, this pitition is a bit overkill. Narrator in the last versions of windows, while it does lack behind, is quite useable and ive used it fine before, even didnt really depend on nvda for a day while using it. As gortholon said, it does however seem to lag quite a lot, but narrators barely new with its upgrades since windows 8 came out, what was it, 2 years or so, I cant remember. Also, O S X and windows are 2 completely different things. While it would be nice to have an installer that talks, were not quite up to that point, and before we even start asking for that or for a better screen reader, I really think we should wait for windows 10. After all, windows 8.1 wasnt really a major release, so of course their wouldnt be that menny narrator improvements. After all, developing a screen reader is no simpple thing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200414#p200414 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi.Ah I see now. sorry about the last post. I totally understand where youre coming from. Isnt there a talking disk thing for windows out there somewhere? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200395#p200395 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi.Im talking about installing a copy of Windows from scratch. If youre talking about opening a new Windows laptop and setting it up with narrator, that is not the same thing. That is narrator working on a copy of Windows that is already installed on the system. Im talking about the part of setup where you would put your Windows DVD or such into the drive and go through the setup by choosing a drive to install WIndows and then waiting about 10 minutes. That part as far as I know doesnt talk. That is ridiculous in my mind because with OS X, I just have to load up the installer and I get VoiceOver which guides me through the OS X installer of choosing a drive to install on, etc. Again, this is not the same as getting a Mac and going through setup assistant or installing a new OS over the top. Im talking about clean installing onto a computer. This is useful for instance if the hard drive fails or you did something really bad to your installation and need to reformat and install. Windows, as far as I know, does not let me do this because the installer doesnt talk. That is why I love oS X so much, I have far more independence.Hopefully this explanation makes more sense. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200386#p200386 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hello.I dont see what youre getting at. Im able to open a windows eight point one laptop and install windows fine. Everything works.Ill admit Narator could do with a little fixing when it comes to the installing and clicking on the buttons, but everything worked fine for me. SO I dont understand what youre talking about. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200296#p200296 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! How about making them create an installer that actually talks?I mean installing Windows, not setting up your user account. THere is no reason they cant make a talking installer. I cant believe this. Apple has had a talking installer for 10 years, a shorter time than narrator has been around and yet the Windows installer doesnt talk and VoiceOver was miles better than narrator in 2005, heck even in 2007 with Leopard. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200276#p200276 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi,This petition is, as others said before, not quite appropriate, based on what Microsoft is doing at the moment.Narrator is rumoured to have scripting support in Windows 10. They are actually in contact with blind people, that is why the enormous improvement to Windows 8s Narrator, touchscreen support, etc. While Narrator is not yet comparable to other dedicated screen readers, it is certainly improving with Windows builds.Microsoft is certainly not going to implement a new screen reader. They are working on Narrator, with or without the petition. I really urge you to, if not cancel it, perhaps wait a bit until we see whats going to happen in later builds of Windows 10.Rob URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200038#p200038 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Also, a small note on lag. NVDA lags with the SAPI voices. This may mean that it is the fault of the voices themselves. Fortunately, you can at least instal Espeak. If I had access Id test out of curiosity, but I dont and cant, so... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=200079#p200079 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader!
2015-01-06
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GhorthalonTheDragon via Audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi,As far as Im aware, they are doing hard work on Narrator. With every windows version Ive seen, its gotten better and better. In fact, I would say that, while not a main sollution, Narrator is quite usable. It allows for browsing the web, use chat applications, check and reply to email, this also includes Mozilla Thunderbird, Mozilla Firefox, Skype, etc. So I think this might be quite overkill. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=199949#p199949 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi enes. thank you for this... I will sign it. lets see if this petition will be able to make the desired effect. even if it is to update the narrator for the windows 10. I already researched a lot and I couldnt get news of the narrator in the windows 10. I went on the site of the blog of the development of windows 10 but I found nothing about the narrator. I also joined in the forum of the accessibility of the MS and I couldnt get answers to my questions...Thanks. cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=199948#p199948 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Id like to echo Ghorthalons comments. Narrator for Windows 10 isnt anything spectacular, but it is certainly functional. I have used the test preview with various apps including Firefox, Thunderbird, MS Office, and it works. It isnt anything like Jaws, Window-Eyes, or NVDA yet but if one needs a quick and functional screen reader Narrator will work as a backup or substitute. So I feel this petition is really overkill at this point as it seems Microsoft is working in that direction anyway. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=199984#p199984 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader!
2015-01-06
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GhorthalonTheDragon via Audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! I know that the Windows 8 Narrator did not support iAccessible2, however I cannot tell with the one present in Windows 10 preview. However, firefox and Thunderbird do work to the point where I can read and reply to emails and browse the web...Of course, no quick navigation for headings, links and so on.The main reason why I couldnt stand using it anymore is the simple fact that it seems to lag behind quite a bit. Compared to NVDA, Narrator still seems like a very slow reacting screen reader, especially with the default David voice.It still lacks a lot of features though. No indentation reporting, no quick navigation in web elements, etc. Its quite stable though. And the fact you can toggle it with Win+Enter seems quite handy, especially since it seems to have higher priority, so itll actually run when most things dont anymore. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=199972#p199972 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi dragon and tward. what you speak that the narrator makes in the preview of windows 10, he actually does it in the windows 8.1 before the preview of windows 10. nothing new here. I use windows 8.1 and the narrator makes everything you talked in windows 8.1. People want to know is whether the narrator in the windows 10 preview has been updated or remains as it is in the windows 8.1. thanks. cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=17#p17 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi.I signed the petition not knowing that narator was being worked on like this. But hopefully this will be taken to microsoft, some hell, and then at least we can say we tried and who knows, maybe this push as overkill as it is, might improve something that the microsoft access team missed.I feel that narator on windows eight point one is useful and useable and not at all a crappy screen reader like in xp or seven, can it be improved? Yes, am I looking forward to windows 10? Yes, wil I be checking out naraotr on there? yep. Its going to be awesome.Any idea when windows ten will be coming out? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=18#p18 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hi dragon. Which sources you have to say as far as I know, Microsoft is working hard for the narrator in the windows 10. how do you know that? can you explain this? thanks. cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=199954#p199954 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Windows 10 narrator is rumored really heavily to have scripting, but the truth or lack thereof has yet to be seen. Im surprised its working with Firefox and Thunderbird: do you know if theyre supporting IA2, or is this because whatever is exposed through MSAA is good enough? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=199959#p199959 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader!
2015-01-06
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GhorthalonTheDragon via Audiogames-reflector
Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! The reason I say this is because Ive tried the preview on Windows 10, and actually didnt feel the need to install NVDA until quite a while later. Narrator suited me fine for testing purposes. Yes, it could of course be miles better, but its definitely getting there. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=199957#p199957 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Hello,Have you tried Narrator on windows 8? Its not quite as good as NVDA but its actually much more usable now. I also heard it said a while back that the windows ten version of Narrator might support scripting. I dont know the exact source behind this though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=199955#p199955 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: lets erge microsoft to develop a fully functional screen reader! Enes, maybe the petition to make more sense in order to update the narrator in the windows 10. makes no sense to add or create a screen reader because it already exists. the narrator is very good, just need to be updated. on windows 8.1 that didnt happen... only in Windows 8, the narrator was updated. would make more sense if the petition was intended to innovate the narrator for the windows 10. but I think that Microsoft understands that the petition will be destined to the narrator. cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=199956#p199956 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
