Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate And the thing is, that's a good decision on their part. Maintaining two or more codebases is an absolute and total nightmare. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406879/#p406879 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate That is exactly what I think @48. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406812/#p406812 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate I suspect they're forcing everyone to use one version because it costs less money to maintain one version. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406803/#p406803 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Wouldn't it be easier if we didn't start damn complaining and try to get used to it? When the old version was new, we felt about it like oh god how in the hell we will get used to it. And see, now we got stuck and we don't wanna switch. Of course, skype 8 is bad, i also hate it but what can we do, instead of complaining maybe we could share tips and tricks on how to use it as easily as possible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406794/#p406794 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate Exactly. They can not create a product that makes everyone happy. That’s why variety is necessary these days. Could you imagine if Apple only released one screen size for new phones? Or only having one color? Apply that to Skype. No variety, one version only URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406787/#p406787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate For us who use Linux (and for that matter "Chrome OS" devices,) best to just stick with the tried and true method of http://web.skype.com/orhttp://outlook.comThe interface for me at least ain't bad at all! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406775/#p406775 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate I got those numbers by estimation. The 300 million one was from the page I linked to. I doubt all of those users -- 300 million monthly -- are expressing their displeasure. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406759/#p406759 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Perhaps that's so, although I would like to see where you got those numbers from. Oh and perhaps a better, more accurate turm in stead of wining, at least for some here, is expressing our disslike? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406755/#p406755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate Good point although I would like to see where you got those numbers from. Oh and perhaps a better, more accurate turm in stead of wining, at least for some here, is expressing our disslike? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406755/#p406755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate It may seem like their ignoring us. But think about the total user-base of Skype today. According to https://expandedramblings.com/index.php … tatistics, Skype has 300 million monthly active users. That's a huge amount. Of those 300 millio nactive users, how many are bitching and wining about the problems they have with Skype 8? So far as I've seen, less than 2000. Hell, I've seen less than 200. That's such a minor percentage its insignificant and, to MS, is just background noise. MS is making Skype into what they believe it should be. In doing so, their pissing people off.But, here's the thing -- you can't create a product that everyone is happy with. That just isn't possible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406745/#p406745 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate Classic on my bootcamp for mac still works, but if it stops working I will upgrade. It is more of the mac version I can not stand to upgrade. Again different operating systems effect the interface, just like different web browsers effect the same webpage. I applaud them for having skype for mac, but having alternate versions that are different interfaces is very wise and will keep people happy. You know how people react to different colors of phones, or different characters as collectables, whatever the case. More and more calling apps are on the market and if MS wants to keep their name on top it would be wise to have variety. In conclusion I will use skype 8 for windows without too many complaints, but not until my perfectly fine version of classic is terminated. My skype for mac just got auto updated, and I'm still pissed about it. And I hate the new layout. I'm going to continue bitching about it, but it works somewhat. Also why haven't they added share system audio on skype for mac? Bull shit! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406742/#p406742 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate Classic on my bootcamp for mac still works, but if it stops working I will upgrade. It is more of the mac version I can not stand to upgradde. Again different operating systems effect the interface, just like different web browsers effect the same webpage. I appluad them for having skype for mac, but having alternate versions that are different interfaces is very wise and will keep people happy. You know how people react to different colors of phones, or different characters as collectables, whatever the case. More and more calling apps are on the market and if MS wants to keep their name on top it would be wise to have variety. In conclusion I will use skype 8 for windows without too many complaints, but not until my perfectly fine version of classic is terminated. My skype for mac just got auto updated, and I'm still pissed about it. And I hate the new layout. I'm going to continue bitching about it, but it works somewhat. Also wh haven't they added share system audio on skype for mac? Bull shit! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406742/#p406742 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate Yes. I agree about the possibly dangerously modified versions, which is why I'm using Skype 8 despite my dislike for it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406740/#p406740 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate @ 38 Nothing in my case, wining doesn't solve a thing. Doesn't mean I'm ok with it. They won't listen. It's what big companies are best at. You make a good point about dangerous versions, however. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406737/#p406737 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Skype 8 is improving with feedback. Skype 8 may be inferior to Skype 7 but hey, shit happens. Bitching and wining about it and downloading modified (possibly dangerous) versions of Skype 7 to cling to the passed isn't solving shit, now is it? Customers have been bitching about this since Skype 8 came out. It hasn't stopped the development of Skype 8, has it? Nope. So what do you think repetitively hounding MS will do? Nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. I mean, hey, we bitch and wine about Trump shutting down our government, but that doesn't change the fact that its shut down, now does it? Nope. It won't suddenly make him change his mind, will it? So what makes you think that doing the same to MS will change their mind? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406732/#p406732 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate all I'll say about Electron and split view is this:If Electron has such limitations, then Microsoft shouldn't be forcing users to use Skype 8 over the Skype that's worked for years. That doesn't change the fact that they're indeed forcing users to use it, that much I will agree with. Also thanks for confirming what I thought about it possibly having to use yet another process. I wasn't completely sure about that one.I'll echo what was said earlier. This isn't about being resistant to change, at least not where I'm concerned. This is about being forced to use a clearly inferior version of a product that's said to have all the features the previous version had and has the same look and feel. This is about being forced to use a clearly incomplete piece of software. Don't forget, Microsoft pulled a similar stunt with Edge, as in they wanted everyone to start using Edge when it was obviously unfinished.For those who are woefully ignorant about the amount of people who aren't too thrilled about Skype whether they're blind or not, I present this from the Microsoft Community forum:Paul2 M has replied in the discussion Skype is now FORCING it's users to "upgrade" that you are following in Microsoft Community.You're not alone. Disgruntled users such as us are letting Microsoft know across every platform we can, this forum, uservoice, Twitter, even snail mailletters to their headquarters how terrible the new version of Skype is, how much we all relied on Skype Classic, and how we feel that what Microsoft needsto do now is focus all efforts on making Skype Classic available to us again until a point and time where Skype 8 has 100% full feature parity, and I urgeyou to join your voices with our own.On this forum, the most voices are currently found in https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/sky … 7bf01cdfceas well as https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/sky … c929d369d7 however you can rest assured that in just about any thread with a high number of replies, the reason will be because of us speaking out.The top two ideas on the uservoice forum are places where we encourage your votes, as well as in https://skype.uservoice.com/forums/9145 … t-compatibThe reason they gave us for Skype Classic's discontinuation is a backend code problem, and we believe that Microsoft should be focusing all possible effortsto fix that backend problem so that users who relied on Skype Classic may one day use it again without being bothered.On Twitter, the @Skype, @SkypeInsider and @SkypeSupport accoutns regularly ask for feedback from some, offer it there. Skype's current design director,Mark Swift, can also be found at @swift_one .If you would like to take a slightly more direct approach, consider sending a snail mail letter to:Office of the PresidentMicrosoft HeadquartersOne Microsoft WayRedmond, WA 98052If you, like me and countless others, relied on Skype Classic's rich features for your private or professional life, let Microsoft know how you feel, howdissapointed you are, and how Skype 8 is in no way a serviceable replacement for Skype Classic as a desktop app. It is an app that has been in developmentfor a YEAR and doesn't have the most requested user features, but hey, it has Alexa support!Microsoft has backed down twice on Skype 8 before and so clearly a line in the sand exists, more voices will bring us closer to that line again and perhapsa miracle will happen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406718/#p406718 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate Actually, I heard good things about UWP Skype, but I tried it once and an immediate dealbreaker for me was that when I press alt 1 or alt 2 to switch tabs, it does switch them but not move the focus there so it's almost useless. Has that been fixed? On the other hand, I must say that in the latest Skype 8 version jump to last message button works as intended. I know what you mean as I did hate it when it was broken, but it works good now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406660/#p406660 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
2019-01-21
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Re: skype autoupdate sticking around URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406653/#p406653 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate They actually fixed the edit box issue with Skype on macOS. VoiceOver no longer echos each character. Update to the latest version of Skype 8. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406646/#p406646 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate I am ok with switching to skype 8 on windows, but on mac I can't do it. I fucking refuse to join the skype 8 club on mac os URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406631/#p406631 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate I did not expect this topic to become the next cause of the government shutdown. Lol. I was going to give my opinion, but an idiot already said it. I don't mind switching now, but I want to enjoy classic while it is still alive. Until it is pulled permanently I would like to express my freedom to use it. There are pros and cons to skype 8, one pro being it has the same exact layout on all systems. However, that can also be a con because different operating systems are meant for different types of interfaces. Look at skype 8 for mac! It's accessibility is shit! Of course using keyboard commander makes it easier. And let's not forget about it refreshing the edit box so every time you add or delete a character it speaks the message back so you have to mute speech, unmute after deleting a character, use your cursor because it repeats the message rather than the character you deleted, and then mute speech again. Unacceptable. Every operating system should make it to where you can hide all the extra crap at the top of every screen with the tabs and stuff. I don't need that most the time URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406630/#p406630 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate I did not expect this topic to become the next cause of the government shutdown. Lol. I was going to give my opinion, but an idiot already said it. I don't mind switching now, but I want to enjoy classic while it is still alive. Until it is pulled permanently I would like to express my freedom to use it. There are pros and cons to skype 8, one pro being it has the same exact layout on all systems. However, that can also be a con because different operation systems are meant for different types of interfaces. Look at skype 8 for mac! It's accessibility is shit! Of course using keyboard commander makes it easier. Every operating system should make it to where you can hide all the extra crap at the top of every screen with the tabs and stuff. I don't need that most the time URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406630/#p406630 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate I did not expect this topic to become the next cause of the government shutdown. Lol. I was going to give my opinion, but an idiot already said it. I don't mind switching now, but I want to enjoy classic while it is still alive. Until it is pulled permanently I would like to express my freedom to use it. There are pros and cons to skype 8, one pro being it has the same exact layout on all sstems. However, that can als be a con because different operation systems are meant for different types of interfaces. Look at skype 8 for mac! It's accessibility is shit! Of course using keyboard commander makes it easier. They at least need to make it to where you can hide all the extra crap at the top of every screen with the tabs and stuff. I don't need that most the time URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406630/#p406630 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate I don't use Skype very much anymore. I love Zoom! It sounds much better and supports stereo sound. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406629/#p406629 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
Re: skype autoupdate Dude. If you want a native windows app that isn't web based, especially if you use split window view, go get the one from the microsoft store. It looks a lot like 7 to me, sure there's a couple buttons here and there that are new but it still works just fine. I used skype 8 for a good while without much problem, although I didn't think of actually switching browse mode on and off to accomplish things quicker, because I hadn't seen it mentioned. You see, communication benefits all of us. But somebody told me that the win 10 one, known as skype 14.0, had split window view, so I went to try it. I've put it on it's own virtual desktop so it's window/s won't be in my way. Also on the win 10 one the jump to last message button actually works, and I think end does too. In 8 that broke a little for me. Every now and then it'll throw you back in the history if you tab just right so it's good to have that button. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406622/#p406622 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate I’ve used Skype eight for quite some time now. Therefore, I see nothing wrong with switching to Skype seven if that’s what I prefer. It’s not about fearing ”Change”, as some of you put it. I like change, when it's for the better. It’s a matter of preference. If Microsoft one day completely pulls the plug on skype seven I will switch without complaint. It is natural for companies to drop support of things. I think to force you to auto update though if it is still working, that's different. I don't like companies that force their latest software down your throat. I’ve already tried Skype 8 and I don’t like it as much. I’m gonna try an older version like it or not. That is until you completely and support, at which point I would have to switch. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406621/#p406621 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: skype autoupdate
2019-01-21
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Re: skype autoupdate their is a copy of skype 7 wich i just got in the night, it works fine, no auto updates URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406607/#p406607 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate The thing about not clinging to history is true, however, noone can say that skype 7 performed worse than skype 8, so as a customer, I don't have a reason to update, except because I'm being forced to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406593/#p406593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate It happened to me as well. I was using skype 7, and it suddenly signed me out and wanted me to update. I even reinstalled the thing, i mean skype 7 but the same happened. Seems they really force us to update, although i thought they won't shut it down. Seems they still do... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406591/#p406591 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate I've said my peace, I'm bowing out before this ends up like kerosene soaked rag touches off house. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406580/#p406580 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Telegram is accessible, using the chrome plug-in. But the actual native app is not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406578/#p406578 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate I agree that Skype 8 isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be, and I've gotten used to it. However, we can't switch to other platforms as easily as sighted folks can. They have a lot more options than we do, since they don't have to worry about accessibility. Signal, Telegram, What'sApp for desktop, which is usable with a screen reader but just barely, Imo, and probably others I haven't heard of. All are better options, due to the fact that encryption is built in, but no one is making a stink about demanding accessibility in those apps, even though that's probably the best course of action. Even if they did, I remember hearing that Telegram specifically said they had zero fucks to give about incorporating accessibility, and as for the others, progress has been slower than a snail. So I do agree that turning up your noses is pretty counterproductive unless you're advocating for accessibility in any of these apps, because, let's face it, anyone who's serious about cybersecurity in the 21st century doesn't want to be tied to Skype anyway. Sadly, we kind of have to be as blind people, and yes, I know that Skype is sort of a household name, so many sighted people don't realize there are better alternatives, either, but at least they could easily switch if they wanted to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406574/#p406574 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate @21, have you ever considered that, you know, split screen view in electron might not be possible? Have you ever done research on Electrons capabilities and what it can and can't do? These "holier than thou" responses, as you put it, are our ways of telling you to grow up, un-stick yourselves from the passed, and adapt. It may not feel native because of the way NVDA renders it. But Microsoft is not going to attempt to please an incredibly small portion of the community and implement features that may increase the resource consumption tenfold, depending on the way they implement "split-screen windows". Considering that Electron is designed to render web apps and not native ones, and node.js does not have native GUI libraries, it would have to create an entirely new instance of itself. So, if that was indeed possible, you'd effectively have two Skype instances running at once. What a waste of resources, eh? The windows XP users are already being forced to upgrade because software is no longer being built to support windows XP. Now, Skype is suffering the same thing. There isn't much you can do other than the options I gave you -- either continue requesting features until they get popular enough, switch to another platform, create your own, or just suck it up and deal with it. That is quite literally all you can do. But sticking to the passed and clinging onto old programs "because they work" has come to an end. It came to an abrupt end as soon as programmers and organizations got it in their head to create apps that ran natively but that were web-based. It hit an abrupt end as soon as Node.JS came into the picture. The maxum of "don't fix it if its broken" hasn't applied in almost a decade now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406573/#p406573 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Sheesh. A guy can't even express his dislike for something without these arrogoant holier than thou responses. I mean, come on. I'm not saying people should agree with me, but seriously? Just shut up and deal? That doesn't solve a problem and it doesn't help deal with the problem. Can we not discuss something without being jerks?As for requesting features, it's been done for months. They forced us to use this thing and didn't implement what people are asking for. They did sort of give us split view, but that's only for the Windows 10 app. If they did it in the Windows 10 app, why can't they do so in Skype 8?As for Electron, I'm sorry but to me it doesn't feel native. Maybe that's due to the screen reader handling it as a browser window. Yes, turning the virtual cursor in JAWS or whatever it's called in NVDA off works, but it still feels like a half-assed solution. It just seems like Electron is limited in what it can do compared to something written exclusively for an operating system. I would still like to see an app that will prove me wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406566/#p406566 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Sheesh. A guy can't even express his dislike for something without these arrogoant holier than thou responses. I mean, come on. I'm not saying people should agree with me, but seriously? Just shut up and deal? That doesn't solve a problem and it doesn't help deal with the problem. Can we not discuss something without being jerks? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406566/#p406566 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Okay, that's enough. I'm done. Aguy can't even express his dislike for something without these holier than thou responses. Screw this noise. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406566/#p406566 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate @19, so? What can you do? Your only option is to switch. There is no guarantee that Skype seven support will remain. So, you have two options: switch to a new platform or deal with it. Or, you have two more: give feedback and request the feature, or create your own platform. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406565/#p406565 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate @17 my post 16 has a link to a working version of Skype seven. @18 it's not just a live with it and move on issue as has been pointed out. many sighted people hate the new version as well because it does not have multi window support and for business purposes it is just not up to the job. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406564/#p406564 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate I seriously love how you guys are so resistant to change over this. WTF is your roblem? Electron is a framework to develop apps in Node.JS and make them run natively without any special programs. You can't use old technology for ever. You can't resist change for ever. Something will come along and force you to move along with technology, and by the time you advance, you won't know how to use it, and when you ask people for help, they'll say, "Well, that's why you should've upgraded when you were told to!" So, here's the final say -- get used to it! There is literally and absolutely nothing you can do. What if Microsoft rips out support for Skype seven, hmm? Will you somehow magically manage to acquire the Skype seven server source code and host it? I think not. Grow up, stop being so resistant to change, and advance when technology says you should. You have no other option. So far as I can tell on my machine, the performance between Skype 8 and 7 has such a small difference its inconsequential. It runs just as fast as Skype seven. It takes up more resources... Microsof can't exactly help that, now can they? They've already released two versions of the app -- an electron and UWP version. They're not going to do everything they can to please a group of small-and narrow-minded individuals who loathe change so much they're willing to completely ignore it because its something their used to and nothing new could possibly be better. The much larger audience says the exact opposite. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406556/#p406556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate I seriously love how you guys are so resistant to change over this. WTF is your roblem? Electron is a framework to develop apps in Node.JS and make them run natively without any special programs. You can't use old technology for ever. You can't resist change for ever. Something will come along and force you to move along with technology, and by the time you advance, you won't know how to use it, and when you ask people for help, they'll say, "Well, that's why you should've upgraded when you were told to!" So, here's the final say -- get used to it! There is literally and absolutely nothing you can do. What if Microsoft rips out support for Skype seven, hmm? Will you somehow magically manage to acquire the Skype seven server source code and host it? I think not. Grow up, stop being so resistant to change, and advance when technology says you should. You have no other option. So far as I can tell on my machine, the performance between Skype 8 and 7 has such a small difference its inconsequential. It runs just as fast as Skype seven. It takes up more resources... Microsof can't exactly help that, now can they? They've already released two versions of the app -- an electron and UWP version. They're not going to do everything they can to please a group of small-and narrow-minded individuals who loathe change so much they're willing to completely ignore it because its something their used to and nothing new could possibly be better. The wider audience says that its a good thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406556/#p406556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate @nidza07Every single Electron communication app I've seen or heard of thus far (Slack, WhatsApp, Discord) has behaved like a website in terms of navigation and usability. Electron is okay for some things. I'm not saying otherwise. What I'm saying is that is sucks for things like Skype which has been until now a proper native app for Windows. How Skype 8 can be considered an upgrade for people who use Windows I have no idea. Yes, I realize that this is a highly subjective statement. There are those who don't mind Electron apps for communication.Instead of going to a website with your browser, you basically download a special instance of Chrome and get the exact same interface you'd get on the website, and this is the problem I have. I am not fond of these apps that behave like websites. I am not fond of the fact that I have to interact with them like websites instead of proper Windows apps that were made for Windows. I don't care if Skype has an Electron app. I have a problem with the fact that everyone is being forced to use said Electron app no matter what sort of device they happen to be using with absolutely no alternatives whatsoever. It feels like pure exclusion due to laziness.@ironcross32I hear what you're saying, and if this was strictly a poor blind people issue I would tend to agree with you. However, this affects more than just us blind folk. There are many, many threads over on the Microsoft Community and Skype User Voice forums that are saying similar things. Some have indeed tried Skype 8 and gone back to Skype 7 immediately when they could, and are now not very happy to have been forced upgraded to the thing they didn't want. It doesn't help that the Skype team seems to be focusing primarily on adding new things instead of improving the UI and addressing issues people have reported before forcing everyone to use the thing. It's quite clear that Skype 8 was released in a very incomplete state. I can go find and link the threads if you wish, as I'm not sure how aware you are of the issue. This has absolutely nothing to do with entitlement on my part. See above. Indeed, I never said anything about entitlement. I simply said that I refuse to just lie down and take this. My focus is how utterly ridiculous this Electron Skype is and how unnecessarily difficult it is to use compared to Skype 7. Yes, because I use a keyboard, my focus is a bit subjective. I suppose this is a case in which we'll just have to agree to disagree, which is fine and probably for the best. I don't want to turn this into yet another entitled blind people debate. It serves no purpose.Anyhow, if someone can point me in the direction of a communication Electron app that isn't a pain in the ass to use with a screen reader compared to a good old native app, I'll check it out. Until then, I maintain that Electron is a big part of the problem no matter what keyboard shortcuts are put in. It's slow and bloated, and again where keyboard use is concerned it's clunky. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406553/#p406553 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate i just found this installer for Skype 7.36 and a bunch of numbers i can't remember. still works up to now. you can grab it here.https://www.dropbox.com/s/mpfpexai1vjmi … 1.exe?dl=0 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406544/#p406544 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate If someone can post the modified Skype...thanks. I finally updated to Skype 8, but I jsut do not like the design. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406521/#p406521 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate @12 , aren't we entitled. That reveals the crux of the issue right there. It is not just the blind who are forced to use it, it is literally everyone. The fact that your view is so narrow as to include you and your select group of people is sad. You seriously haven't taken the 5 seconds to think about others, fully able-bodied who might not like the electron version? Just saying blind and everyone else doesn't really cut it in my book.Acting like sheep, as you call it, is not what I'm about. But nothing you can do is going to change the outcome of this. You have what you have, now, if you want to write feedback to make it a little more accessible, to alleviate some of the annoyances that come with screen reader interaction, then go for it. If you want to sit around and be so furious, then go for it, see how far that gets you.Keep in mind that in all this time that Microsoft threatened to kill Skype 7, people could have migrated over, and written feedback, and maybe the experience would be a bit better by the time they finally killed it, or forcefully started upgrading people. They could even have went back to 7 after experiencing 8.Web apps are the future, deal with it or get a tablet or something. That's how it is. DO you really, honestly, truly think that they'd put all the resources into developing the electron version just to backtrack and get rid of it because all the little blindies in Blindville are crying over it? Like it or not, but you, me, and most of the other people on this forum are a spec of dust, the needle in the haystack, one drop of water in the ocean compared to the rest of the people. Not because of our merit, but because of our low number. So making demands accomplishes nothing, working within the confines of what's realistically probable and possible though, now that can accomplish something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406518/#p406518 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Web is far more than websites nowadays. You seem to think that web apps cannot be good and clean. Well, I don't know what exact issues you have with the app because none have been mentioned, and surely it isn't an issue that it is a web app? It runs just like any other app. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406511/#p406511 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate If we just lie down and take what we're given, then companies will never know what they did wrong. I'm not going to just say "Well okay that's what it is." and hope they'll eventually make Electron apps that aren't massive piles of sluggish bloatware in a few years. The key though is to not be hostile about it when giving feedback.A lot of the accessibility problems with Skype 8 are due to the platform they chose, which is Electron. No matter what the screen reader does or what keyboard shortcuts people add, Skype is now a glorified website that runs in a massive Chrome process, which to me is a pretty significant downgrade on something like a Windows desktop. Most of us whether we're blind or not are furious, not because there is an Electron app, but because we don't have a choice. We either use the bloated monster or we don't use Skype at all. To me, this is unacceptable and I will not be told to just deal with it. As long as there are ways to submit feedback, I will respectfully tell them that there are those of us who prefer a clean, normal desktop UI. I'll adapt to the new Skype because I have no choice as everything else is going Electron, but I sure as hell am not just going to lie down like a defeated dog. I use Windows, and I prefer things like Skype to be Windos applications, not websites. If I wanted a website, I would use a web browser to go to web.skype.com.To each his or her own though. If you're okay with just taking what you're forced to use, awesome. Not all of us are sheep though. There's just a proper way to tell companies what is and isn't acceptable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406510/#p406510 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Huge thumbs up to ironcross, was wondering if I was the only one thinking this way. By the way, the if it isn't broken don't fix it line is so old and for me personally irrelevant. The technology no longer works like that. By this logic, Windows would not get any updates because well, it's not broken. However, I personally think all this will go away and everybody will get used to this app at some point, it just takes time. The more you keep forcing Skype 7, the more Skype 8 will be updated, new things added and when you are forced to switch to it, you might want to have an important chat or a call but will find out that you have to get used to the app, and it will slow you down. Instead, I recommend asking for what you don't like about new skype so somebody can help. Web apps will remain bloated to you until you learn to use all the powers of your screen reader. There are people who say it's easier to use the app when you turn the virtual cursor/browse mode/whatever off, however that's far from true. In reality, you should combine both, and once you get used to the app you will know that works the best in which situation. For example, when reading or writing chats, the best is indeed to have your screen reader cursor off. However, if you want to turn off notifications for a group, instead of opening group settings and tabbing 10 times, what you do is open group settings, turn on your browse mode, press ctrl end to go to the end of the page and press b a couple times to land on buttons for toggling notifications. Situations like this make the app less bloated and slow, and I don't mind if we had more questions on general skype usage to address instead of how to disable updates for a program. Disabling updates in most cases only does you harm and nothing good. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406502/#p406502 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Right, OK, valid reasons, all. However, you're not about to stop them, so use the tools to make it a better product overall. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406503/#p406503 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Hello,The reason I personally resisted until I was forced to upgrade is, skype 7 had nothing that skype 8 could not do. Recording of calls can be done via an external program, even via loopback. So my thought for the consumer side is, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. The developer side is of course different, they want to develop this app in a way so that it can be updated all at once for all platforms. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406495/#p406495 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate Skype 8 is technically usable, although it does take some effort to do certain things. More effort than should be necessary, in my opinion. Adding shortcuts for accessibility is good, but it doesn't change that Skype 8 is just a bloated Electron app that can't hold a candle to a good old native app like Skype 7 in terms of accessibility, at least not yet. I'm adapting, but I'm still pretty pissed that I basically got downgraded to an inferior app.As for modified versions of Skype, I don't trust them. Who knows what else they did to the program. I'd rather have instructions for modifying things myself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406490/#p406490 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate C'est la vie. Such is life. Get used to it. Adapt or die.Honestly, the outcry over this is just absurd to me. I've gone over it again and again in my head to try to make sense out of it, but I just can't. Yes, Skype 8 is not perfect, but last year, Microsoft did a lot to improve accessibility in their products. There are 3 methods I know of to try to get information to them about problems you encounter using Skype 8. Feedback hub, the feedback option in settings, and report a problem in the help menu.The truth is, you can dance around the updates all you want, modify this, hack that, but guess what, they have the final say. When they finally do pull the plug server side, and disallow Skype 7 to communicate with their servers, you will be able to do nothing to fix this, and it's coming. Do any one of you think you can be the guy standing at the bottom of the proverbial hill, puffing your chest out and just waiting to stop a boulder. The answer is a resounding no. But collectively, you, me, and all the rest of us have the power to make Skype 8 a better product. No, it's not going to ever be quite like 7 was, because 8 is an Electron app, but funnily enough, I'm not crying over this, I actually like it.It never ceases to amaze me how much the blind community fears change. I have news for every single one of you reading this post, change, like the march of time, is inevitable. You change as you mature from childhood into adulthood. Your personality changes, you develop morals and values, your taste in music changes, your culinary tastes change. You even change from young adult to middle age, from middle age to elderly and so on. You learn, improve, continue to grow as a person. As people living with a disability, we have already had to adapt to get where we are now. Yes, we have accommodations, but we sometimes have to come part way as well. We adapt to new schools, new workplaces, new neighborhoods, etc. It literally is adapt or die. So, forgive me if it seems silly to get all bent out of shape about this. But you will, you will continue to get bent out of shape, the XP people will eventually be forced off the platform and onto whatever they can cling onto. The only thing I can say is that it must be a sad existence to cling onto the past with such utter desperation and fear completely and utterly change, to resist change to the last, when you yourself are ever changing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406486/#p406486 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate there is a modified version with autoupdate disabled URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406474/#p406474 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate there's just no way, microsoft is doing this server side, i think. so if you think trying to say, nuke your appdata folder for skype and reinstall, it's just gonna do the same thing URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406470/#p406470 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate same problem, i installed win 10 and i want use skype 7, but i can't when i'm sign in, it only appeares update and quit. I really want use it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406469/#p406469 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate microsoft is forcing the autoupdates without permission now. Everybody freaked out when they threatened to take it away in August, so they let it go until November with another freak out, probably just to make people want to update by november, and now that it is 2019 they are attempting to destroy classic URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406442/#p406442 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: skype autoupdate My skype told me to update out of nowhere. It just did. Now I'm using skype 8. Everytime I try to install skype 7, it just does that. Wonder what causes this since it didn't tell me to update before and just did out of nowhere. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/406433/#p406433 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
