Re: virtual mac on a windows machine?
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? True, but we're talking about emulating the PC speaker in the BIOS, which, obviously, isn't a bootloader; and the BIOS doesn't use any virtualization services--because I'm assuming that the makers of BIOS don't want to use virtualization in such an early environment that could potentially destroy or otherwise ruin the machine the BIOS is running on. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240980#p240980 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine?
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Concur with Chris. Trying to get OS X running on a Windows box (that is not itself a Mac) is a nuisance. Just get the Mac. You can use USB to do an install of Windows with an NVDA-enabled preinstallation environment if you need BootCamp; that's not really an issue, and anyway is common to Windows as a whole and is not Apple's problem. Or you can use VMWare's "Easy install" method to get Windows installed in a VM. Good luck.As to why OS X in a VM will not permit the use of certain features: that is because the Mac is essentially a uniquely serialised hardware dongle, that a VM cannot emulate. Using OS X apps and services in a VM is pretty nonsensical anyway (I only use it for OS X Server, myself) but it is made pretty much impossible by the SMC IIUC. I can't even use the Mac App Store to get the server.As to the hardware: Apple are the best OEM, full stop. Because of their supply chain and the fact that they simply don't sell crap, A pple computers are the best Macs and the best Windows boxes you can buy. Naturally, if you want to undercut Apple at whatever cost, you can; just buy less reliable hardware, or build your own box. Building your own box of course means that you need to know how, but it does make more sense in certain cases where raw horsepower is needed. This advantage tapers off fairly steeply as you move into the higher end, because the major OEMs can and will sell you workstation- and server- class hardware that can't be built for the same price. Still, Apple does not yet make a middle-range tower, so if that is your fancy, you will have to stay with Windows. But for SFF, AIO and notebooks--oh yes, Apple it is. Apple is a hardware company. Microsoft is a software company. As long as Apple hardware provides value, it will always have a market, no matter the volume of Microsoft sales . And notice that Microsoft is no longer selling an operating system. No, I don't like Apple's licensing antics either, but I accept that OS X is apple's bundled software solution, not a standalone product. I'd love it if this changed, although to be honest I don't think that's likely. What really needs to happen to change the field is for Linux to actually stand a snowball's chance in hell of actually appealing to the masses; then generic hardware could indeed be a genuine substitute for Apple's closed hardware-software combination. Until then, the margin by which MS are in any sense the leader is the margin by which they have raced to the bottom and eliminated any meaningful competition in the market. In the regard of crushing competition, both are as bad as each other, but only Microsoft's strategy attracted mindshare--until recently, of course, when Google took over from them. Ugh! It's all very horrible. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240698#p240698 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine?
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? You can emulate the PC speaker in software, including bootloaders. Obviously the real question is who is going to do the work, and why. For virtual machines, though, this works; Macs don't have speakers either, they're just virtualised. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240788#p240788 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? THat's definitely a problem, however if you want a good pc speaker you could always strip one out of an old machine, or just get a piezo however those are quiet. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240775#p240775 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine?
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Concur with Chris. Trying to get OS X running on a Windows box (that is not itself a Mac) is a nuisance. Just get the Mac. You can use USB to do an install of Windows with an NVDA-enabled preinstallation environment if you need BootCamp; that's not really an issue, and anyway is common to Windows as a whole and is not Apple's problem. Or you can use VMWare's "Easy install" method to get Windows installed in a VM.Good luck. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240698#p240698 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Today's PCs may not come with a speaker, but I'd be willing to bet there are connections for one on the computer's mainboard, so you could easily add one if you wanted to.In my last desktop, the case had no place to mount a standard speaker, so I used a half inch piezzo speaker instead. The thing was so light that I just attached a standard speaker connector with one inch leads to it. The wires were strong enough to support the piezzo speaker.The only downside is that the piezzo speakers aren't very loud, I had to open the case to hear it. But then, you only need to hear it when you are troubleshooting, so that wasn't a problem. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240701#p240701 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Yes, beeping would work; but here's the problem: newer computers are coming out without PC speakers, so that option is not possible with the newer machines we have. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240694#p240694 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine?
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Concur with Chris. Trying to get OS X running on a Windows box (that is not itself a Mac) is a nuisance. Just get the Mac. You can use USB to do an install of Windows with an NVDA-enabled preinstallation environment if you need BootCamp; that's not really an issue, and anyway is common to Windows as a whole and is not Apple's problem. Or you can use VMWare's "Easy install" method to get Windows installed in a VM. Good luck.As to why OS X in a VM will not permit the use of certain features: that is because the Mac is essentially a uniquely serialised hardware dongle, that a VM cannot emulate. Using OS X apps and services in a VM is pretty nonsensical anyway (I only use it for OS X Server, myself) but it is made pretty much impossible by the SMC IIUC. I can't even use the Mac App Store to get the server.As to the hardware: Apple are the best OEM, full stop. Because of their supply chain and the fact that they simply don't sell crap, A pple computers are the best Macs and the best Windows boxes you can buy. Naturally, if you want to undercut Apple at whatever cost, you can; just buy less reliable hardware, or build your own box. Building your own box of course means that you need to know how, but it does make more sense in certain cases where raw horsepower is needed. This advantage tapers off fairly steeply as you move into the higher end, because the major OEMs can and will sell you workstation- and server- class hardware that can't be built for the same price. Still, Apple does not yet make a middle-range tower, so if that is your fancy, you will have to stay with Windows. But for SFF, AIO and notebooks--oh yes, Apple it is. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240698#p240698 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Jack,No, the piece of the message I quoted was exactly what I wanted.The whole point of my message was that some people at Apple are idiots, which is what the quote said.I then added my own example of their idiocy. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240648#p240648 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? @Chris, that's a very bad idea to not purcahse a PC until the BIOS thing is taken care of. Do you realize that you, as a mac user, are running the UEFI firmware, which is, duh, inaccessible? Don't keep that oath; the BIOS inaccessibility issue is not because people won't get off of their lazy asses and figure it out; it's because it. Is. Impossible. The BIOS cannot load sound drivers, however UEFI can... for a little while. And I mean, for about 5 seconds. Accessibility in the firmware like this is plainly impossible with the technology we have because the technology we have will not allow braille displays and other hardware to be used in such a low-level environment. we're talking 16-bit environments, Chris. The only OS developers who have ever managed to even get a bootloader accessible is CentOS, and the accessibility there is so minimal that I'd rather have someone sited read me the options rather than that do it for me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240634#p240634 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? @Gene: Ahh, I see where you went with that. Both are examples of their idiot moves. @Ethin: Well, in the bios, the pc speaker could still beep, so I guess, maybe, there could be a morse code beep sequence? I mean yeah it'd be tough for someone who doesn't know the code, but hey if it works then it's the best we can do.I see where you went URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240657#p240657 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Gene, you quoted the comment about bootcamp not letting windows sound drivers be used until windows was installed. Based on what you said, you probably meant to quote something else. But all that aside, Gene's right, it is technically a violation to run mac on anything except Apple Branded devices. The advantage is that this prveent custom bloatware-filled distributions, but the tradeoff is that you can't run a mac in a vm for testing, unless you have a mac. For example, running Lion on a mac running Yosemite is perfectly fine, but running that on on windows isn't. If you notice, even if you do manage to get it running, Apple licensed apps such as Facetime are not preinstalled. Even if you run a hackintosh using a legally bought mac osx installation disk or iso which is more legal than the former, it still isn't worth the time, let-alone easy. Let's just even ignore the legal aspect of things, it's not worth it however you do it. You could potentially make it work if you have a high-end system with at least 8gb of ram, but you'd still have a hard time setting it up. As has been said, it's just better to get a mac. You'll be a hell of a lot happier with one, I know I am and while I run windows xp alongside osx, I wouldn't even consider giving a windows machine the time of day anymore. I get that macs are expensive and at first glance, yes, you'd definitely want anything but that for testing your applications. But the mac mini is extremely affordable, often more affordable than most windows machines today, and if you have a keyboard and speakers, you're fine. You could even get by without a monitor, but I'm told that for some weird reason that makes voiceover lag. Nevertheless, the cheapest vga monitor out there should be fine. You'll have a much more pleasant experience testing your apps on a mac, and running windows on that same mac, rather than the other way around. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240521#p240521 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Gene, you quoted the comment about bootcamp not letting windows sound drivers be used until windows was installed. Based on what you said, you probably meant to quote something else. A quick note on that though, the solution to the no sound issue is to just, er, get a usb soundcard? It ain't that hard. If you wanna go dirt-cheep, the best you could do is a usb soundcard that has an audio-out and audio-in port, for around 8 bucks. One such line of those devices are the ones from c-media. But all that aside, Gene's right, it is technically a violation to run mac on anything except Apple Branded devices. The advantage is that this prveent custom bloatware-filled distributions, but the tradeoff is that you can't run a mac in a vm for testing, unless you have a mac. For example, running Lion on a mac running Yosemite is perfectly fine, but running that on on windows isn't. If you notice, even if you do manage to get it running, Apple licensed apps such as Facetime a re not preinstalled. Even if you run a hackintosh using a legally bought mac osx installation disk or iso which is more legal than the former, it still isn't worth the time, let-alone easy. Let's just even ignore the legal aspect of things, it's not worth it however you do it. You could potentially make it work if you have a high-end system with at least 8gb of ram, but you'd still have a hard time setting it up. As has been said, it's just better to get a mac. You'll be a hell of a lot happier with one, I know I am and while I run windows xp alongside osx, I wouldn't even consider giving a windows machine the time of day anymore. I get that macs are expensive and at first glance, yes, you'd definitely want anything but that for testing your applications. But the mac mini is extremely affordable, often more affordable than most windows machines today, and if you have a keyboard and speakers, you're fine. You could even get by without a mo nitor, but I'm told that for some weird reason that makes voiceover lag. Nevertheless, the cheapest vga monitor out there should be fine. You'll have a much more pleasant experience testing your apps on a mac, and running windows on that same mac, rather than the other way around. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240521#p240521 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? I've tried command+f5, yes I did windows+f5. Nothing happened. But for some reason when I boot the vm it says something about the guest operating system has disabled the CPU? What? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240483#p240483 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? as the idiots at apple don't allow sound driverd]s to be used until windows is installedSpeaking of the idiots at Apple; do you know that Apple considers it a violation of the OS X software license agreement to run OS X on anything other than a genuine Apple Macintosh?It's lunacy like this that will always keep Apple and their Macintosh computers as, second best, an also ran, a me too, against Microsoft and the IBM PC compatibles. Microsoft doesn't care what you run Windows on as long as you have a valid license. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240498#p240498 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? From what I know, any Apple apps that you get for free with a mac, for example the iwork suite, you ain't gonna get that on a mac vm or a hackintosh. Perhaps you might if you've in the past purchased a legal installation disk, but definitely not torrents. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240559#p240559 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? What features of OS X don't work when it's hacked to work on other hardware? Why is this? Is it because the software is assigned for the specific Mac hardware?While I can sort of agree with the comment about not using Apple hardware, I really think Macs are the best computers bother running OS X and in general. While it's great that Microsoft lets anyone run Windows on their hardware, it also has disadvantages. I've gone through 3 or 4 $300 or so computers because the batteries crapped out and other crap. I guess you could buy a really expensive Windows computer, but you still get extra crap that you really don't need. I'm never touching another PC from Dell or HP ever again until this stupid inaccessible BIOS and Windows setup thing is taken care of. I love my Macbook Air. The battery life is 100 times more than I've had out of any PC. Then again, I've always had relatively cheap PCs. Maybe that's the problem. PCs are so cheap a nd crappy that it's easier to buy a new one every couple of years. I don't agree with that. I'd rather buy a computer that will last me a good 5 or more years.I guess it comes down to personal opinion. Each operating system and method of distribution and use has its own benefits and drawbacks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240556#p240556 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? A question about running the mac OS on windows VM:I have 3GB ram, and a Dell Cor I3, is it possible to run the mac OS on it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240312#p240312 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? It's intel, so I think it should work, Socheat. Intel core anything should work. Um, 3gb ram? The minimum mac out there is 4gb, and the 8gb runs like a champ, and under 4gb I would not recommend at all. Had experience with an old 2gb ram imac, didn't like it at all. At least what you should do is look into the hackintosh, so at least your system can take full advantage of the resources to run mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240334#p240334 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? okay. a couple of questions.1. Where is this "unlocker" for VMwar?2. How do you get a Mac VM(or any VM for that matter) set up?3. How does the layout for VO keys work on the Mac VM? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240336#p240336 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? You ever heard of Brian Smart's windows installer? And, i don't like partitioning, because i would have to restart my mac just to use wiindows. That's why I use fusion, and @liverobo, do you have slype? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240349#p240349 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? @Techmaster20, If yu want to alleviate yourself of the slowness that VM's cause, then yes, despite (excuse my language here) your sorry ass excuses, you will need to partition your disks. Also, Boot camp does 97 percent of the partitioning for you. Wait, no, scratch that: It does all of it for you. You just have to select it and format it. That's not so hard, is it? If it is for you, you need to go learn how. I think that in Windows and Linux's GUI installers it's probably the easiest to partition a drive, and with Mac OS X, you don't even have to do that--you just have to click install and let it go.Oh, and before I go: Why are you not going to boot camp an operating system just because you will need sited assistance? I hate to tell you this, Techmaster20, but (again, excuse my language, and I do not mean to be rued) but stuff it. There are many parts of a computer you will need sited assistance with: The boot process, the firmware configuration scr eens, the boot manager, the bootloader (excusing, of course, CentOS), the Windows recovery console, etc. So your reasons for not using boot camp have just been invalidated. I used boot camp and completely erased MacOS X off of my SSD because, well, you see, I never used it, so saw no point in just having it there. I have re-partitioned my disk and now have a tone of development tools on the second partition and am now dealing with my first partition's space issues. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240358#p240358 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Oh really, but at least with fusion I don]t have to restart just to use another OS. What if I wanter to use linux? Then what? Fusion FTW. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240371#p240371 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? You could, of course, triple boot your mac into running linux, but there's still the issue of having to reboot. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240373#p240373 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? I personally use both, as there are times when a VM will simply not be fast enough for some tasks in Windows, I'm mostly thinking here of Windows mainstream games. My Mac has the hardware to play something like MK10 very well, but I would not want to attempt that on a virtual machine... Running skull girls inside XP resulted in vmware almost freezing OS X itself, though a friend managed it on Windows 7. Still, it's good to have both. VmWare can actually boot into a bootcamp partition as a VM, so you can make use of both very easily.Anyway, because this is sort of off-topic in regards to the original question, I have ran mountain lion on an HP elite book before. You don't actually need a VmWare unlocker if your processor supports what's called hardware virtualisation, or VTX. Pretty much every I5 and I7 processor does as far as I know, though it may sometimes be deactivated in the bios by the manufacturer of the computer. This was the case on my HP, so I needed to get sighted help to turn it on. Running without VTX is possible if you run the aforementioned unlockers, but the VM will most likely be much slower than it would be with VtX on. Anyway, even with that done the system was incredibly slow. Just navigating around was laggy, but doable. However many tasks would cause OS X to go busy, or the sound would start lagging even more and crackling and the entire VM would slow down. The test computer had a 2.5GHZ I5 that could boost up to 3.1 and 4GB of ram, with 2 for the VM. This definitely does not happen even on the lowest end macs - things do occasionally go busy if you hammer it, but the sound never crackles. The one thing I remember from this is that iLife 11 took about 2 hours to install on the VM because of the slowdown, while on a real system it took about 5-10 minutes. So, as someone said before, it's much better to get a real Mac, which amusingly enough does a much better job of running Windows than a Windows computer does running OS X, whether it's running in fusion or bootcamped URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240389#p240389 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? I am running an AMD processor, and I installed the mountain lion vm. WHen I open the vmx file, it says I need a processor that supports AMDV. If this is in the bios, I'll turn it on and run a mac! I've got 8gb of ram, split it 4 to 4 and I'm good. My computer is perfectly capable of running two OS's, I've ran my host 8.1, along with xp, 10, and linux although that was vinux. Can you point me a link to the yosemitie vm and possibly the unlocker if my machine decides to be a jerk? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240407#p240407 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? LololI definitly agree that my mac is, by far, the best windows computer I have ever owned.I also like OS X in general so it's not a stretch at all to say this is the best computer I've ever owned.To the person who asked if an I 3 would be enough to run OS X in a vm:Don't mean to be harsh here, but... No. You're gonna need at least an I 5 with (hopefully) more than 4 gigs of ram. Actually probably more than that, as your host OS still needs room to run and I don't even think ther is a mac with 2 GB ram on the market today.As to how I know you can't use an I 3 to run a mac VM?Well, on my old, crappy I 3 with 2 GB ram, I tried it. (This was a few years ago) and, while it worked, and I mean that as loosely as possible, it was slow as to be virtually unusable.As for @techmaster20's objections to rebooting...Uh... You sound like a windows kinda guy to me.Do you know what the windows unofficial mot to is?It's "You must restart this computer for the changes to take effect".So I don't see any problem in using bootcamp, tripple, or even quad booting (as was said above), bootcamp will do all the hard work for you with windows and... Frankly, you don't strike me as the venturing-off-into-linux-land-to-learn-things kinda guy.But shrug, to each their own, I guess. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240390#p240390 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? okay, I got it to work by enabling that hardware virtualization thing. But now it won't speak. Anybody have a vm that will allow me to make it speak preconfigured? Like, turn on voiceover in the setup window, then close it and save it. Make sure it will run under AMD. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240417#p240417 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Did you try command+f5? On a windows keyboard, that is windows+f5. Ctrl is ctrl, option is alt, and command is windows. Unfortunatly, on newer systems, the audible volume feedback isn't enabled, so you can't use that as a test. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240428#p240428 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Ok, thanks for feedback guys. I won't test it though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240432#p240432 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? I think you have to get an unlocked for VMware and Virtual Box. Good luck doing it though. I'd just get an Air and put Windows on it. Boot camped Macs are beyond awesome and you get to switch back and forth between operating systems. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240265#p240265 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? No. Don't use bootcamp. You have to partition, and you will need sighted assistance, as the idiots at apple don't allow sound driverd]s to be used until windows is installed. If you buy a mac, use vmware fusion, or look up the mac installers from SoulDev, since they went down, you will have to get them from a torrent. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240266#p240266 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? What's the big deal about not having sound drivers before installation? I realize that you won't get speech during the installation, but once that's taken care of, everything works fine. Also, what's so bad about partitioning? It's better that way, so your bootcamped version of Windows can take advantage of the entirety of the Macs hardware. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240285#p240285 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? What's the big deal about not having sound drivers before installation? I realize that you won't get speech during the installation, but once that's taken care of, everything works fine. Also, what's so bad about partitioning? I think it's better that way, so your bootcamped version of Windows can take advantage of the entirety of the Macs hardware. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240285#p240285 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Well, I got it to work, running the latest version of OSX Yosemite, using the unlocker and a virtual machine I found online. I got speech during setup of the mac, but you're right, everything's a bit slow and the control alt arrow keys don't work, so I had to use the control option lock to do anything constructive with it. Unfortunately, despite allocating 6gb of ram, and all the video ram and processors I could on my i7 laptop with crappy intel graphics chip, I couldn't lower the latency to under 1 second. Ah well, it was worth a try. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240288#p240288 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine?
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Well, I got it to work, running the latest version of OSX Yosemite, using the unlocker and a virtual machine I found online. I got speech during setup of the mac, but you're right, everything's a bit slow and the control alt arrow keys don't work, so I had to use the control option lock to do anything constructive with it. Unfortunately, despite allocating 6gb of ram, and all the video ram and processors I could on my i7 laptop with crappy intel graphics chip, I couldn't lower the latency to under 1 second. Ah well, it was worth a try.edit: I was also impressed with how Jaws 16 automatically gave over input to the VM right after I powered it on and went full screen. This definitely has potential for linux boxes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240288#p240288 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? I think you have to get an unlocker for VMware and Virtual Box. Good luck doing it though. I'd just get an Air and put Windows on it. Boot camped Macs are beyond awesome and you get to switch back and forth between operating systems. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240265#p240265 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? No audio drivers before installation? That really doesn't matter since you can't get speech to work in Windows until the operating system is set up. Micro$$$t need to get sound and narrator working during initial installation. Maybe it will come when I'm 40 rofl! In that case, I'll stick to OS X which is accessible out of the box and when I need to troubleshoot it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240290#p240290 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Chris, I was installing mac OSX on a windows copy of VMWare URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240294#p240294 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? What's the big deal about not having sound drivers before installation? I realize that you won't get speech during the installation, but once that's taken care of, everything works fine. Also, what's so bad about partitioning? I think it's better that way because it allows Windows to take advantage of the entirety of the Macs hardware. Going back to the question. It's pretty easy to run OSX in Vmware Player, but I'm not sure if the newer versions work. They probably do but the last version that I had experience running in Vmware was Mountain Lion, and it worked fairly well. It's slower, and you have to get used to the weird keyboard mapping since you'd be on a Windows machine, but it worked. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240285#p240285 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine?
Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? What's the big deal about not having sound drivers before installation? I realize that you won't get speech during the installation, but once that's taken care of, everything works fine. Also, what's so bad about partitioning? I think it's better that way, so your bootcamped version of Windows can take advantage of the entirety of the Macs hardware. Going back to the question. It's pretty easy to run OSX in Vmware Player, but I'm not sure if the newer versions work. They probably do but the last version that I had experience running in Vmware was Mountain Lion, and it worked fairly well. It's slower, and you have to get used to the weird keyboard mapping since you'd be on a Windows machine, but it worked. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240285#p240285 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Hi.I realize this is devolving from the topic slightly but...techmaster20 wrote:No. Don't use bootcamp. You have to partition, and you will need sighted assistance, as the idiots at apple don't allow sound driverd]s to be used until windows is installed. If you buy a mac, use vmware fusion, or look up the mac installers from SoulDev, since they went down, you will have to get them from a torrent.First off:You can have perfectly working audio during installation. It's called, "Oh... Speakers don't work? Let's use the headphone jack".You can have a windows install with speech by using a win PE disk image written to either a flash drive or DVD. (Don't ask me for these, there are a few floating around the net and this forum...)As for no speech on the second part of the install, after the computer restarts, just win u for util ities, tab until you hear narrator, hit enter.I've set up bootcamp on several macs this way, it works just fine (though, if you are going to be using a Win PE image you better go get a real win 8 / 8.1 / 10 iso from Microsoft, write it to a flash drive and plug that in during the bootcamp process... Then when the mac restarts switch the valid iso disk with the WinPE).Now, back on the actual topic of this thread:You might be having a slow time of it for a few reasons. The first, and most obvious is that your computer just doesn't have enough oomph to run multiple operating systems (your host, as well as a simulated one). For this you need enough ram and processor speed.I don't actually know how much ram my mac uses, I've got 16 GB in this macbook so it's never been a problem, but in general Apple is pretty smart about resources, at least in my experience.You might also be having audio latency issues, which could make the ma c just "feel" slower, because of the lagtime for audio output. There are articles on how to decrease this, so I won't go into it here.Also, there is a huge community dedicated to the "hackintosh", which is basically a computer that runs OS X either in a VM or as the primary OS (I don't really know many specifics, some researching required on that one).All that aside, if you are going to be using a mac in a professional environment (You need this for work / you depend on it / you aren't going to be as effective without it), if at all possible, just buy one. You can grab a mac mini for like... what... 400 dollars these days? (A mac mini is a small box with all the computing hardware packed inside that you just plug up to speakers and a monitor).I use my macbook with OS X and windows daily and love it. I'm about to trippleboot some sort of Linux flavor, so I have access to windows 7, Mac OS X, and my favorite linux distro. Hope that helps URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240301#p240301 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: virtual mac on a windows machine? Hi.I realize this is devolving from the topic slightly but...techmaster20 wrote:No. Don't use bootcamp. You have to partition, and you will need sighted assistance, as the idiots at apple don't allow sound driverd]s to be used until windows is installed. If you buy a mac, use vmware fusion, or look up the mac installers from SoulDev, since they went down, you will have to get them from a torrent.First off:You can have perfectly working audio during installation. It's called, "Oh... Speakers don't work? Let's use the headphone jack".You can have a windows install with speech by using a win PE disk image written to either a flash drive or DVD. (Don't ask me for these, there are a few floating around the net and this forum...)As for no speech on the second part of the install, after the computer restarts, just win u for util ities, tab until you hear narrator, hit enter.I've set up bootcamp on several macs this way, it works just fine (though, if you are going to be using a Win PE image you better go get a real win 8 / 8.1 / 10 iso from Microsoft, write it to a flash drive and plug that in during the bootcamp process... Then when the mac restarts switch the valid iso disk with the WinPE).Now, back on the actual topic of this thread:You might be having a slow time of it for a few reasons. The first, and most obvious is that your computer just doesn't have enough oomph to run multiple operating systems (your host, as well as a simulated one). For this you need enough ram and processor speed.I don't actually know how much ram my mac uses, I've got 16 GB in this macbook so it's never been a problem, but in general Apple is pretty smart about resources, at least in my experience.You might also be having audio latency issues, which could make the ma c just "feel" slower, because of the lagtime for audio output. THere are articles on how to decrease this, so I won't go into it here.Also, there is a huge community dedicated to the "hackintosh", which is basically a computer that runs OS X either in a VM or as the primary OS (I don't really know many specifics, some researching required on that one).All that aside, if you are going to be using a mac in a professional environment (You need this for work / you depend on it / you aren't going to be as effective without it), if at all possible, just buy one. You can grab a mac mini for like... what... 400 dollars these days? (A mac mini is a small box with all the computing hardware packed inside that you just plug up to speakers and a monitor).I use my macbook with OS X and windows daily and love it. I'm about to trippleboot some sort of Linux flavor, so I have access to windows 7, Mac OS X, and my favorite linux distro. Hope that helps URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240301#p240301 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
