Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Yeah. Have to agree with Nocturnous here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586819/#p586819 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to @staticmaster, tell that to @simter, since your whole point for posting this is supposed unfairness. It's interesting to me that when unfair is on your terms life is unfair, but when unfair is something you don't want the mods to do, well, that's just not right. And I quote from post 1 directly, "a friend of mine has been band in that topic for saying that the mods are using his watchtime in an unfair way" But life is unfair, is it not? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586816/#p586816 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to at 52, I am sorry. but your way of wrighting, with out any pawses is kind of a noying. I am sorry to have raged on you like that, but sometimes life isnt fair URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586763/#p586763 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586715/#p586715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to moaddye unless you are a mod, please reframe from telling me how to write on this forumif i want to be a death eater in rage let me be, if you don't like my writing style, keep scrolling, simple as that.this will be my last comment on this topic anyway, most of you are just salty that simter got a band which he deserved a long time agono matter how much you cry and whine about how unfair you think the band was, its not getting lifted. so keep crying rivers, and keep making fake accounts pretending to be new to the forum to defend him, its, still, not, going, to, lift, the, bandonce again you all are very very very lucky how fair the mod team trys to be out here, because man o man, some of you deserve bands on the spot for your behavior on this forum, just do what you can to keep pushing the envelope, just to see how much you can get away with, and you have the nerve to complain about the mods when they finally finally finally decide to pull the trigger...this is really comical, anyway the death eaterr is outnote post has been edited, wrong name at first URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586698/#p586698 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to that's so so so so stupid URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586705/#p586705 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I...think you may have meant to refer to Moaddye, not Mayana, calling you a death-eater or whatever else. I just went back and checked that. Might be a good idea to edit that post of yours, even if you don't intend to actually speak in here again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586700/#p586700 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Mayana unless you are a mod, please reframe from telling me how to write on this forumif i want to be a death eater in rage let me be, if you don't like my writing style, keep scrolling, simple as that.this will be my last comment on this topic anyway, most of you are just salty that simter got a band which he deserved a long time agono matter how much you cry and whine about how unfair you think the band was, its not getting lifted. so keep crying rivers, and keep making fake accounts pretending to be new to the forum to defend him, its, still, not, going, to, lift, the, bandonce again you all are very very very lucky how fair the mod team trys to be out here, because man o man, some of you deserve bands on the spot for your behavior on this forum, just do what you can to keep pushing the envelope, just to see how much you can get away with, and you have the nerve to complain about the mods when they finally finally finally decide to pull the trigger...this is really comical, anyway the death eaterr is out URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586698/#p586698 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Jasmin, I just want to point out, first and foremost, that I find your timing, your vehemence and your argument style extremely interesting. You're entitled to speak when you wish, and how you wish, provided that you follow the rules. I've been silently watching this thread ever since it was created. It's forty-something posts long, I alerted other staff members to its existence last night, and no one has received any punishments within this thread, despite some really obvious attempts to start more fires.One of the main reasons I've stayed quiet is because I see this as a lose-lose scenario. A loud faction within the community got upset when they felt that warnings, bans and punishments at large were administered in a fashion that was far too haphazard and arbitrary. I made a promise that I was going to do what I could to fix that, and thus a redrafting of rules and discipline protocols was born. It's had its bumps along the way, and I'll be the first to admit that we're not perfect and sometimes make mistakes. But the one thing we try to do is to stay accountable. When I dropped a warning on PatrykK for apparently linking to what looked like a clone - on the say-so of users, I should add - I later found out that he was not, in fact, in breach of any rules. When I discovered this, I updated the post in the discipline topic to remove that warning, since it's not fair to uphold a punishment if you later overturn it. I have deliberately recused myself from discussion of punishments when I'm deeply involved with a situation, so as to minimize the chances that I will act in self-defense or because of bias. Other staff members have done likewise. I daresay that the discipline protocol is far clearer and more fair than it's ever been before, but some of you still want to howl about it. What you've convinced me of, then, is that no matter what we say or do - and thank you, Mayana, for hitting on this before I spoke up - you're going to find fault in it. Now, instead of having this motivate us to do whatever we want, and damn the consequences, it just means that, speaking personally at least, I don't feel it necessary to defend myself against every shouted accusation. To put it bluntly, some of them have merit, and some are just hot air from start to finish. I have in the past felt a greater need to defend myself, but as time passes, that need is evaporating. By and large, I trust this staff team to do the right thing, or to admit an error when it occurs. I think that's about all that can be expected.Simter's ban was due to a watch violation. A community watch is put in place when someone has been dancing the line without actually getting banned. We know we can't have a rule for every single behaviour, so community watch is basically the catch-all where we can demonstrate that something is wrong but we don't have a specific rule to hit. If you go back and thoroughly read Simter's message history - go on, I'll wait - you will see that he has earned this, and more, from his actions. When he came back into the newest VM thread and started doing the same thing, we were watching. When he continued doing it, he got banned. He would not have been bothered in the least if he'd made one or two posts, but considering that he kept escalating, it was clear that he was interested in beginning the same patterns.Some of you seem bent on defending Simter's intent, but I'm here to tell you that this isn't going to work. Not only did Simter get a warning for this in his own right in the past - which means he had literally months to validate the fact-checks we gave him - but he continued to make excuses for his behaviour. He was tired. He may have been a bit rude. The watch was bogus because...well, it was bogus and we're trying to shut him up. Do you think any reasonable governing body is going to look at that and say, "Yeah, our bad, guys, Simter clearly had no way of knowing what he was doing"? The answer is no. We deliberated on this and came to a consensus. This wasn't Jack's decision, though he was out front for it.Oh, and real quick? If we were really so anti-Simter, do you think we would've acted so quickly when he got "hacked"? I put that in quotes because that was just a very weird and fishy situation all around. Nevertheless, we acted as quickly as we could to establish contact and to return his account to him. Technically, there is nothing in the rules saying that we have to help you if someone yoinks your password or gets into your account. And technically, there was no demonstrable evidence that Simter was actually hacked; there is an outside chance that he engineered the entire thing by himself to sow discord, although there is no hard proof here and thus it's impossible to act as if this is true beyond reasonable doubt. Regardless, we helped him out on good faith, and when and if he was unfairly targeted, we gave him what protection we could. Until he
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I am with @47 and @49 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586639/#p586639 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Jasmin, I just want to point out, first and foremost, that I find your timing, your vehemence and your argument style extremely interesting. You're entitled to speak when you wish, and how you wish, provided that you follow the rules. I've been silently watching this thread ever since it was created. It's forty-something posts long, I alerted other staff members to its existence last night, and no one has received any punishments within this thread, despite some really obvious attempts to start more fires.One of the main reasons I've stayed quiet is because I see this as a lose-lose scenario. A loud faction within the community got upset when they felt that warnings, bans and punishments at large were administered in a fashion that was far too haphazard and arbitrary. I made a promise that I was going to do what I could to fix that, and thus a redrafting of rules and discipline protocols was born. It's had its bumps along the way, and I'll be the first to admit that we're not perfect and sometimes make mistakes. But the one thing we try to do is to stay accountable. When I dropped a warning on PatrykK for apparently linking to what looked like a clone - on the say-so of users, I should add - I later found out that he was not, in fact, in breach of any rules. When I discovered this, I updated the post in the discipline topic to remove that warning, since it's not fair to uphold a punishment if you later overturn it. I have deliberately recused myself from discussion of punishments when I'm deeply involved with a situation, so as to minimize the chances that I will act in self-defense or because of bias. Other staff members have done likewise. I daresay that the discipline protocol is far clearer and more fair than it's ever been before, but some of you still want to howl about it. What you've convinced me of, then, is that no matter what we say or do - and thank you, Mayana, for hitting on this before I spoke up - you're going to find fault in it. Now, instead of having this motivate us to do whatever we want, and damn the consequences, it just means that, speaking personally at least, I don't feel it necessary to defend myself against every shouted accusation. To put it bluntly, some of them have merit, and some are just hot air from start to finish. I have in the past felt a greater need to defend myself, but as time passes, that need is evaporating. By and large, I trust this staff team to do the right thing, or to admit an error when it occurs. I think that's about all that can be expected.Simter's ban was due to a watch violation. A community watch is put in place when someone has been dancing the line without actually getting banned. We know we can't have a rule for every single behaviour, so community watch is basically the catch-all where we can demonstrate that something is wrong but we don't have a specific rule to hit. If you go back and thoroughly read Simter's message history - go on, I'll wait - you will see that he has earned this, and more, from his actions. When he came back into the newest VM thread and started doing the same thing, we were watching. When he continued doing it, he got banned. He would not have been bothered in the least if he'd made one or two posts, but considering that he kept escalating, it was clear that he was interested in beginning the same patterns.Some of you seem bent on defending Simter's intent, but I'm here to tell you that this isn't going to work. Not only did Simter get a warning for this in his own right in the past - which means he had literally months to validate the fact-checks we gave him - but he continued to make excuses for his behaviour. He was tired. He may have been a bit rude. The watch was bogus because...well, it was bogus and we're trying to shut him up. Do you think any reasonable governing body is going to look at that and say, "Yeah, our bad, guys, Simter clearly had no way of knowing what he was doing"? The answer is no. We deliberated on this and came to a consensus. This wasn't Jack's decision, though he was out front for it.Oh, and real quick? If we were really so anti-Simter, do you think we would've acted so quickly when he got "hacked"? I put that in quotes because that was just a very weird and fishy situation all around. Nevertheless, we acted as quickly as we could to establish contact and to return his account to him. Technically, there is nothing in the rules saying that we have to help you if someone yoinks your password or gets into your account. And technically, there was no demonstrable evidence that Simter was actually hacked; there is an outside chance that he engineered the entire thing by himself to sow discord, although there is no hard proof here and thus it's impossible to act as if this is true beyond reasonable doubt. Regardless, we helped him out on good faith, and when and if he was unfairly targeted, we gave him what protection we could. Until he
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Jasmin, I just want to point out, first and foremost, that I find your timing, your vehemence and your argument style extremely interesting. You're entitled to speak when you wish, and how you wish, provided that you follow the rules. I've been silently watching this thread ever since it was created. It's forty-something posts long, I alerted other staff members to its existence last night, and no one has received any punishments within this thread, despite some really obvious attempts to start more fires.One of the main reasons I've stayed quiet is because I see this as a lose-lose scenario. A loud faction within the community got upset when they felt that warnings, bans and punishments at large were administered in a fashion that was far too haphazard and arbitrary. I made a promise that I was going to do what I could to fix that, and thus a redrafting of rules and discipline protocols was born. It's had its bumps along the way, and I'll be the first to admit that we're not perfect and sometimes make mistakes. But the one thing we try to do is to stay accountable. When I dropped a warning on PatrykK for apparently linking to what looked like a clone - on the say-so of users, I should add - I later found out that he was not, in fact, in breach of any rules. When I discovered this, I updated the post in the discipline topic to remove that warning, since it's not fair to uphold a punishment if you later overturn it. I have deliberately recused myself from discussion of punishments when I'm deeply involved with a situation, so as to minimize the chances that I will act in self-defense or because of bias. Other staff members have done likewise. I daresay that the discipline protocol is far clearer and more fair than it's ever been before, but some of you still want to howl about it. What you've convinced me of, then, is that no matter what we say or do - and thank you, Mayana, for hitting on this before I spoke up - you're going to find fault in it. Now, instead of having this motivate us to do whatever we want, and damn the consequences, it just means that, speaking personally at least, I don't feel it necessary to defend myself against every shouted accusation. To put it bluntly, some of them have merit, and some are just hot air from start to finish. I have in the past felt a greater need to defend myself, but as time passes, that need is evaporating. By and large, I trust this staff team to do the right thing, or to admit an error when it occurs. I think that's about all that can be expected.Simter's ban was due to a watch violation. A community watch is put in place when someone has been dancing the line without actually getting banned. We know we can't have a rule for every single behaviour, so community watch is basically the catch-all where we can demonstrate that something is wrong but we don't have a specific rule to hit. If you go back and thoroughly read Simter's message history - go on, I'll wait - you will see that he has earned this, and more, from his actions. When he came back into the newest VM thread and started doing the same thing, we were watching. When he continued doing it, he got banned. He would not have been bothered in the least if he'd made one or two posts, but considering that he kept escalating, it was clear that he was interested in beginning the same patterns.Some of you seem bent on defending Simter's intent, but I'm here to tell you that this isn't going to work. Not only did Simter get a warning for this in his own right in the past - which means he had literally months to validate the fact-checks we gave him - but he continued to make excuses for his behaviour. He was tired. He may have been a bit rude. The watch was bogus because...well, it was bogus and we're trying to shut him up. Do you think any reasonable governing body is going to look at that and say, "Yeah, our bad, guys, Simter clearly had no way of knowing what he was doing"? The answer is no. We deliberated on this and came to a consensus. This wasn't Jack's decision, though he was out front for it.Oh, and real quick? If we were really so anti-Simter, do you think we would've acted so quickly when he got "hacked"? I put that in quotes because that was just a very weird and fishy situation all around. Nevertheless, we acted as quickly as we could to establish contact and to return his account to him. Technically, there is nothing in the rules saying that we have to help you if someone yoinks your password or gets into your account. And technically, there was no demonstrable evidence that Simter was actually hacked; there is an outside chance that he engineered the entire thing by himself to sow discord, although there is no hard proof here and thus it's impossible to act as if this is true beyond reasonable doubt. Regardless, we helped him out on good faith, and when and if he was unfairly targeted, we gave him what protection we could. Until he
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I agree with 47 in that fact that cracking stuff when hundrids of hours are being spent on that project isnt great at all. but still, I am disapointed at what the admins are doing as warning or ban URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586630/#p586630 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I agree wtih 47 in that fact that cracking stuff when hundrids of hours are being spent on that project URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586630/#p586630 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I couldn't agree more with post 21.I think mods have a greater responsibility now to maintaining this community and keeping it presentable than ever before, because our voices are finally starting to be heard in the mainstream gaming world.Cracking down on cracks (heehee) or other illegal things, is especially necessary when it's primarily indie developers that are showing interest in our community. Unlike the massive gaming studios, they need every sale they can get, and if they see paid software being freely distributed on this forum, why would they want to devote hundreds of hours designing stuff for people when said people don't even intend to pay for it anyway?I've seen this conversation come up dozens of times, and it's always the same.Besides, whatever his name is was never prevented from acquiring a mac VM, and I highly doubt the moderators care one way or the other. odds are pretty high that at least one of them has a mac VM lying around somewhere. Doing illegal things is not against the rules of the forum. Discussing illegal things or showing others how to do them with you makes the forum complicit (not literally, Ethin and others.) Anyway, those are just my scattered thoughts. I'm kind of tired so they might not be easy to follow. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586625/#p586625 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to you know, I think the noly thing simter did not understand the rules, heck, if he as tired in such a way that he can't even read the rules right, and if he is telling the truth, you at least must forgive him for this 1acord. some of the mods are right, simter did some bad stuff, but come on, he tryed his best at control his actions URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586624/#p586624 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to @Jasmin: He violated his watch by exhibiting the very behavior that put him on watch in the first place. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586621/#p586621 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to You have not answered my question about violating watches, instead you just said he was on watch, which you did before btw. What he is on watch? No shit, sherlock! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586617/#p586617 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to gunner,Please stop being a death eater fanatic, and write your posts in a calm manner.carter,okay, so maybe I overstepped my boundaries when I said he'd banned(not in the administrator way but in the what's gonna happen way.)I still think this topic'l be closed soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586615/#p586615 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to @Jasmin: Not when this is the *exact* pattern Simter has continued to follow. And I urge you to look at the community failure clause section. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586610/#p586610 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to @40, your nitpicking. Simter was on watch for six months. He knew this, yet he deliberately chose to push the boundaries and violate rules anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586611/#p586611 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to The old ways were much better. Mostly hands off, a quick step in to deal with a situation, then off again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586607/#p586607 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to @36 so violated a watch is now completely undefined and can happen whatever you do? As far as I understood watches, it means that you are on watch for a time and if you get one single warning at this time you get banned.And when do warnings happen? When you go against a rule, which clearly did not happen here, and btw I did in fact already read that and funfact jack misspelled simter, And even worse, when the post was first made, there was no name given at all, and there is still no link till today.@38 nothing, just nothing. Coming here with a one year old problem has been just, I don't know how to call it, but it is not right and is not relevant for this discussion, it is only pointing fingers at simter to make your stance look better. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586608/#p586608 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @Ethin: You'd be correct, except for one thing Simter was actually on a six month watch as of September. Just so no one's confused.Banning Simter due to personal preference? If we were going off personal preference, he would have been out a few months ago. If you guys want an example of definite fairness at play where Simter was involved, a post in a thread concerning himand Jayde's subsequent reply. This was what some might consider a hardball since there had been a protocol shift in the warning expiration rate. Jayde could have went ahead and banned him anyway but he did not, choosing to keep in mind the fact that it is not fair to apply a new protocol retroactively. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586594/#p586594 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to It would appear as Jack's damaged keyboard has struck again @36. Glad I'm not the only one with a busted keyboard lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586585/#p586585 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to @35, Sighs* do you guys not know how to search? What is this topic for again? Oh, wait, right, disciplinary justifications! It clearly states that Simter violated his watch. Remember that a watch lasts for one year. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586582/#p586582 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I probably sound like simter saying the following but, @Mayana, in nowhere in the quote you provided mentions or justifys the reasons listed for Simter's ban. It justifys SM's warn, not Simter's ban URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586564/#p586564 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @32 even if all that is true, I am not long enough here to know that, arguing in bad faith is not a ban reason, especially not for such a long ban. I am seriously starting to believe that the admin banned him because of personal preference. Cause all they are doing is arguing round and round the fact that the ban was enforced without a rule, which you need for a ban. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586562/#p586562 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to when i read Nocturnus post 20, i shouted, i screamed, i holard, i cheered, i gave it a standing ovation..that is basically what i am saying, this forum is now ran with so many cautions and warnings now before a actual band comes down its rediculousthings that would have gotten you booted off the top before, is danced around to appease the complainers of the forumso many on here act like little kids, they know the forum rules yet still choose to break thehm, thats why i may come off harsh with being so quick to give them the boot, because again they already know what you should and should not do on here, so why the hell am i giving them a thousand chances to follow rules thats been drilled down our throats for years, makes no sense...its like you all just want a forum where you can do what you want, post clones and illegal software, bark off demands to devs and treat thehm like crap, flame other forum members if they don't agree with your views, you all just want chaos.like i stated and Nocturnus echoed, if you are pretty much a decent person on this forum, YOU, WILL, NOT, HAVE, ANYTHING, TO, WORRY, ABOUT.do you all not realize this forum can be shut down if we just let it run wild with race/sexual preference falme wars, sharing of illegal software etc, cmon guys use your brain man, these mods have to lay down the law of the land to protect this forum/community, STOP, ACTING, LIKE, LITTLE KIDS URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586561/#p586561 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @Jasmin what we are trying to tell you is that Simtar already knew Mac VMs were not allowed to be discussed here, as well as why, from before. Both from his own previous warning about it, and because hell, Mac VM topics unfortunately aren't all that uncommon.Here's what the Public Record of Disciplinary Action has to say about this:In post 83, Jayde wrote:As of May 17, 2020, Simter has a warning for explicitly linking to a package which allows for the use of MacOS in a VM on a Windows machine, which is against Apple's terms of service. This amounts to a form of piracy, especially given that the intent is clearly to go against Apple's wishes here. The link was removed and the thread locked.He's had more than enough time since then to read said terms. Nah, being tired is not a good excuse here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586556/#p586556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @30 so please. You must be kidding. No, I could not get away with clones when I was tired. But when I don't know why clones are illegal and then you show me the license and I misunderstand it cause I am tired, that is not at all a warn or ban reason. I cannot get away with insulting someone and more stuff coming, you got the point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586554/#p586554 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to By that logic I could get away with anything if I say afterwards I was tired when writing my post. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586550/#p586550 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @28 The rule you quoted does not say that it is not allowed to misunderstand a quote due to tiredness, but I am not here to tell you what the center has already written, perhaps reading his side would be a good idea? And also, I saw that watch and I am unsure about it when it happened, I was really new here so I can not say anything about this if it was wrong or not. However, this ban is just wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586545/#p586545 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @JasminRules wrote: 3. The sharing or encouragement of illegal material or activities (game cracks, copyrighted torrents that are not free to use, etc.) is not allowed. Not only can this hurt our community, but it can also lead to potential legal complications. This also means you should take care when discussing the methods by which you might crack a game or program, and should not make any efforts to undermine anyone's security or livelihood. We cannot stop you pirating software or downloading illicit music, movies and books through other sources, but we ask that you not do it here, and not encourage others to do it either. If links to any material not hosted here at audiogames.net are provided, we cannot endorse their safety or legality, so please consider carefully. This is a rule we take very seriously. As a side note: intent will be taken into account when citing the invocation of this rule, as will a user's prior history. Someone who is discussing security flaws in an attempt to help improve them, or in a general conversation about security, is very likely not intending malice and, so long as they don't provide tools for others to cause harm, they will not be punished. In cases where users have demonstrated a willingness to crack software or share illegal material, however, or in cases where clear support of piracy is evident, this rule may be enforced.I repeat:"The sharing or encouragement of illegal material or activities (game cracks, copyrighted torrents that are not free to use, etc.) is not allowed."Simtar knew this. He knew this not only because it's in the rules, but also because he'd been warned about it (exactly concerning a Mac VM, if I recall correctly) in the past. And yet he chose to try starting a fight, asking others to find the proof for him, then ignoring that proof. He could've done his own research; he did not.Since you're a new member, Jasmin, you likely weren't around when he was put on community watch. I am too lazy to go dig up all the links right now, but have this one as an example of the kinds of topics Simtar has been fond of creating and participating in.This seems like a random action to you, perhaps. But it is random in the same way a golden retriever biting you after you'd been poking it with a stick for 5 minutes would be random. It could've happened at a different times, but it would've happened eventually. Enough is enough. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586542/#p586542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to @JasminRules wrote: 3. The sharing or encouragement of illegal material or activities (game cracks, copyrighted torrents that are not free to use, etc.) is not allowed. Not only can this hurt our community, but it can also lead to potential legal complications. This also means you should take care when discussing the methods by which you might crack a game or program, and should not make any efforts to undermine anyone's security or livelihood. We cannot stop you pirating software or downloading illicit music, movies and books through other sources, but we ask that you not do it here, and not encourage others to do it either. If links to any material not hosted here at audiogames.net are provided, we cannot endorse their safety or legality, so please consider carefully. This is a rule we take very seriously. As a side note: intent will be taken into account when citing the invocation of this rule, as will a user's prior history. Someone who is discussing security flaws in an attempt to help improve them, or in a general conversation about security, is very likely not intending malice and, so long as they don't provide tools for others to cause harm, they will not be punished. In cases where users have demonstrated a willingness to crack software or share illegal material, however, or in cases where clear support of piracy is evident, this rule may be enforced.I repeat:"The sharing or encouragement of illegal material or activities (game cracks, copyrighted torrents that are not free to use, etc.) is not allowed."Simtar knew this. He knew this not only because it's in the rules, but also because he'd been warned about it (exactly concerning a Mac VM, if I recall correctly) in the past. And yet he chose to try starting a fight, asking others to find the proof for him, then ignoring that proof. He could've done his own research; he did not.Since you're a new member, Jasmin, you likely weren't around when he was put on community watch. I am too lazy to go dig up all the links right now, but have as an example of the kinds of topics Simtar has been fond of creating and participating in.This seems like a random action to you, perhaps. But it is random in the same way a golden retriever biting you after you'd been poking it with a stick for 5 minutes would be random. It could've happened at a different times, but it would've happened eventually. Enough is enough. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586542/#p586542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to I love it how guys keep saying oh I will probably get banned for posting this in these types of topics, but then they don't get banned, yet this is constantly brought up here. I disagree with some of the things the moderation is doing, but I have never been banned for that, so I am curious where that idea comes from? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586540/#p586540 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to Am a new user so maybe I have no room to talk. But I do not get this burning at all. I read through all the rules and see no single one the guy went against in this case. So without further judging I believe his version more than the one of the moderators. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586537/#p586537 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @Nocturnus Your post is just. Absolutely. Epic!It addresses, with much more skill, a point that I think I've made once before. How, back when there were no clear rules for when someone should get a warning, what that warning would mean, and when they should be banned, there were far less complaints. It is only now, when rules have been *softened*, that people are crying out about how harsh and mean and unfair the admins are.They are whining because, as much as they (like @fonografico2 for example; seriously, what was the point of that post?) might tell others and perhaps themselves they are afraid of getting banned for speaking their mind, deep down they know the truth, and know it well: they get so many chances right now that it's damn near impossible to get banned unless you are specifically trying for it.Simtar got more than enough warnings that he should really just stop being annoying already. Several warnings, and then, instead of a ban, a community watch. Community watch! That's basically "Hey, yeah we really should ban you, but we'd rather not. Can you behave, pretty please, with a cherry on top?"And he failed. He failed by doing exactly the thing he was put on community watch for, as well as pretending he didn't know something he really should've from back when he'd gotten a warning about wanting a Mac VM himself. And even if he *hadn't* known, it was his damn responsibility to do the bare minimum of research, instead of wanting other people to do it for him, and then telling them to do it again when it didn't fit his wrong worldview.That's why I said good riddance earlier. Because Jack finally did something that might just make Simtar learn, if he had any sort of ability to do so in him. And considering his first reaction was to write a post on his site about how unfair this is, and then tell his friend to share it on here, clearly he isn't capable of learning right now.And note how Staticmaster hasn't even gotten a caution for sharing that link. Even though he made a topic about it after the old one was closed, going against the wishes of the staff (as well as his own past ones). But sure, even the one warning he got, for a post where he clearly said he wanted something without paying for it, was oh so unfair. Come on.Is this really it, then? Proof that more second chances, more democracy, and all that shit just don't work? Is this what you're trying to say, guys? That us humans just cannot be trusted with being decent unless there's a clear risk of punishment involved otherwise. Because, if given a finger, we'll chomp the whole arm off, and then get pissed because we can't have the second one as well?... Yeah. I guess that does sound about right.Fine. In that case, I'm with you. The staff is doing things all wrong, just as you say. Their rules are dumb, as is the way they give out warnings.They should go back to the old system.Because clearly, we do not deserve anything better. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586529/#p586529 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to I still think they're silly, but if you're going to use them, at least use them for what they're intent is. Stop acting like petty meter maids, the types that you can be out the door with another 75 cents in hand, running to your spot and oops, too late, they're standing there just waiting to snipe your ass. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586526/#p586526 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to espectation. a moderator comes to defend itself saying moderation.reality. i was wrongdont take it seriously guys, but shure i will receibe a warning for replying in this topic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586524/#p586524 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to espectation. a moderator comes to defend itself saying moderation.reality. i was wrong URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586524/#p586524 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @moaddyeHow about we stop spreading wildly delusional conclusions that have literally zero basis in reality? Staticmaster, as of right now anyway, hasn't committed a single ban-worthy offense. Name just one instance, pre-reform, when we've gone so far as to blatantly violate the rules set forth in that document the community helped draft? I'm waiting, because it's getting awfully tiring seeing these MW style posts that have the effect of provoking those less informed than yourself into flames.@ironcrossA warning is literally just "hey, this isn't allowed here now you know". They expire every 90 days. No reasonable chap should be violating the rules 3 times in 3 months. That right there is the recipe for a far more toxic community than this. I've never received a warning myself, but it happens I guess. My first course of action would be to read the rules, see where I went wrong, and make a point of not repeating the infraction. Wait out the 3 months, no worries. That's the precise thing Simter should have done. He clearly didn't.What would you have preferred, a caution? Gimme a second, was it not you who was originally opposed to cautions because they were apparently Jaydes way of talking down to everyone? Fast forward and you're advocating for them now that they've become the norm? Seriously, man, your words don't check out. Please step back for a single second and realize what we're saying. Because I guarantee the alternative would be "these incompetent mods are too lenient and were I admin shit like this would never ever with a couple more evers be allowed to go on." Count yourself lucky if you receive a caution, because chances are a warning would have probably sufficed.On the surface, I can see why some consider Simter's case heavy handed. However...Jayde wrote:As of May 17, 2020, Simter has a warning for explicitly linking to a package which allows for the use of MacOS in a VM on a Windows machine, which is against Apple's terms of service. This amounts to a form of piracy, especially given that the intent is clearly to go against Apple's wishes here.Not only could he have easily typed "are mac os vms legal" into google and gotten an instant answer, the accompanying post does the work. It mentions the problem head on. Again, warnings are warnings. Warnings aren't the world. A single one doesn't make or break your stay here. But he clearly knew there was the legal complication, clearly knew this was a problem... Yet here we are none the wiser six months later.His community watch was instituted out of an overzealous habit of shit stirring, the final straw being over here. Regardless of where you stand, his behavior there is a problem. Much the same was beginning to crop up again.IMO there are more than a few cases where we've actually been much too forgiving. One can only expect so many third best wish breaks before enough becomes enough. The question I always ask. What would you want? Outline your ideal circumstances. To which I get either silence or a proposal that would have everyone talking about admins too flaky to drop the hammer. Be careful with what you wish for. You can never win.I won't lie, I too see a whole that we don't want to be falling down as it pertains to these "bad faith arguments. It can be far too easy, especially when directly involved in a topic, to chalk someone's opposing viewpoints or style of expressing them up to misconduct by way of bad faith--try as you might you can't definitively prove intent. This was brought up to the staff by the way. From where I'm at we haven't fallen, just something to keep in mind and reign in if it ever does fester into something worth worrying about. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586496/#p586496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @moaddyeHow about we stop spreading wildly delusional conclusions that have literally zero basis in reality? Staticmaster, as of right now anyway, hasn't committed a single ban-worthy offense. Name just one instance, pre-reform, when we've gone so far as to blatantly violate the rules set forth in that document the community helped draft? I'm waiting, because it's getting awfully tiring seeing these MW style posts that have the effect of provoking those less informed than yourself into flames.@ironcrossA warning is literally just "hey, this isn't allowed here now you know". They expire every 90 days. No reasonable chap should be violating the rules 3 times in 3 months. That right there is the recipe for a far more toxic community than this. I've never received a warning myself, but it happens I guess. My first course of action would be to read the rules, see where I went wrong, and make a point of not repeating the infraction. Wait out the 3 months, no worries. That's the precise thing Simter should have done. He clearly didn't.What would you have preferred, a caution? Gimme a second, was it not you who was originally opposed to cautions because they were apparently Jaydes way of talking down to everyone? Fast forward and you're advocating for them now that they've become the norm? Seriously, man, your words don't check out. Please step back for a single second and realize what we're saying. Because I guarantee the alternative would be "these incompetent mods are too lenient and were I admin shit like this would never ever with a couple more evers be allowed to go on." Count yourself lucky if you receive a caution, because chances are a warning would have probably sufficed.On the surface, I can see why some consider Simter's case heavy handed. However...Jayde wrote:As of May 17, 2020, Simter has a warning for explicitly linking to a package which allows for the use of MacOS in a VM on a Windows machine, which is against Apple's terms of service. This amounts to a form of piracy, especially given that the intent is clearly to go against Apple's wishes here.Not only could he have easily typed "are mac os vms legal" into google and get an instant answer, the accompanying post does the work. It mentions the problem head on. Again, warnings are warnings. Warnings aren't the world. A single one doesn't make or break your stay here. But he clearly knew there was the legal complication, clearly knew this was a problem... Yet here we are none the wiser six months later.His community watch was instituted because he had a habit of shit stirring, the final straw being over here. Regardless of where you stand, his behavior there is a problem. Much the same was beginning to crop up.IMO there are more than a few cases where we've actually been much too forgiving. One can only expect so many third best wish breaks before enough becomes enough. The question I always ask. What would you want? Outline your ideal circumstances. To which I get either silence or a proposal that would have everyone talking about admins too flaky to drop the hammer. Be careful with what you wish for. You can never win.I won't lie, I too see a whole that we don't want to be falling down as it pertains to these "bad faith arguments. It can be far too easy, especially when directly involved in a topic, to chalk someone's opposing viewpoints or style of expressing them up to misconduct by way of bad faith--try as you might you can't definitively prove intent. This was brought up to the staff by the way. From where I'm at we haven't fallen, just something to keep in mind and reign in if it ever does fester into something worth worrying about. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586496/#p586496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to right, lets tare this apart right here.Database: if not for Dark, that thing wouldn't be as big as it is right now. Yeah yeah... I contributed a few things, as did others. But who contributed the most? That takes something special; that takes passion, and I'm sorry to say I don't believe anyone else on this forum, myself included, has it.Moderators: when we moderated the forum, by which I mean myself, Dark, Sebbi, Arqmeister and others, you told us we overstepped our boundaries. Remember this? Yeah, leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time I look at it, too. Why? Because I didn't like having to push that stupid ban button on JimmyDub. It makes me feel like a useless hypocrite because, while I don't use the pirate bay or any torrenting sites anymore and haven't for years, I once did. who am I to tell you that you shouldn't do something I once was a part of in some senses? Reasons be damned! I did it and I had no regret at the time! But when I signed up for this forum, I signed up to abide by the rules set by its moderators! When I became one, I was tasked with the responsibility of upholding them! Do you know what that means? No matter what I think of those rules, no matter how I feel about them, those rules are there for a reason and until they are changed for an even better reason, the fact is that they're there and should be followed, from the greatest of us to the least!Now, I'm not a moderator; I like to think of myself as a voice in the wilderness. I try not to come into topics like this one because more often than not I'm disgusted by the way they turn out. You punch the mods around because they took a stance on a matter, then get them to agree with you to some extent, go away feeling all smug about yourselves until they do something else you think is absolutely overkill and childishly stupid, then you're at it again. No, it's not all of you, but there's this collective of sorts that is constantly shouting nay nay nay! We can't have this! We can't have that! Away with the rules because rules suck! The only thing that could suck worse than rules is that other places have rules too, and so we want a place where we can go where there is no rules and no one ruling with rules!Let me ask you something, and answer it honestly; don't you believe it would have been easier to not have rules? Would it not be easier to just trust you all to display better judgment and then we don't have any of these issues? Would it not be so much simpler if instead of policing the forum in a manner everyone hates, we just didn't have to police the forum at all, because we know this forum is so well behaved? Wouldn't it be cool if if we could all just have discussions without having all of these irritating moderation warnings, cautions... I don't even know who started this cautioning nonsense! We never did it! You think these guys are bad? We were worse! We didn't give you cautions! We gave you harsh warnings! When you didn't heed them, we banned you! We didn't have a lenient system where you got a sort of probation or watch for doing something that we considered a bannable offense! You got a firm warning if it was your first, and a ban thereafter!And you know what? The reason it worked, was because we didn't have all these silly little loopholes the new mods, the nice mods, the wonderful mods who are trying to please and appease you at every turn have for you now! We made it clear what we wanted and you either followed or fell to the banhammer! No discussion of cracks! No flaming or disrespect! No discrimination! IN short, be a decent person and you have nothing to worry about! Do something against the community or the site and its voluntary staff? You're out!and it worked because we weren't policing the system like hawks, playing the role of helicopter parents at every turn. We just didn't want you discussing things on the forum that could get us all in trouble! You chose to disregard what we wanted. In some instances we gave you some leash to run around on, while in others we felt it was not acceptible. When you talked about cracking eloquence for NVDA we were sympathetic because we'd all been there to some degree or another and disagreed with some of the shadier practices companies were employing against blind people. When that wasn't enough and you wanted to distribute much more questionable content, we put our foot down because we knew it would reflect badly on us all as a community. Eloquence amy not be a mainstream subject; torrenting, however, actually is!So what happened next? this subset of people comes along and says, "Hey, you're not being fair all the way across the board!" If you're going to ban us for the discussion of pirated assets, you need to ban us for cloned material within the community as well, because those are pirated assets! And while you're at it, eloquence is not abandonware, so stop all the
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to right, lets tare this apart right here.Database: if not for Dark, that thing wouldn't be as big as it is right now. Yeah yeah... I contributed a few things, as did others. But who contributed the most? That takes something special; that takes passion, and I'm sorry to say I don't believe anyone else on this forum, myself included, has it.Moderators: when we moderated the forum, by which I mean myself, Dark, Sebbi, Arqmeister and others, you told us we overstepped our boundaries. Remember this? Yeah, leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time I look at it, too. Why? Because I didn't like having to push that stupid ban button on JimmyDub. It makes me feel like a useless hypocrite because, while I don't use the pirate bay or any torrenting sites anymore and haven't for years, I once did. who am I to tell you that you shouldn't do something I once was a part of in some senses? Reasons be damned! I did it and I had no regret at the time! But when I signed up for this forum, I signed up to abide by the rules set by its moderators! When I became one, I was tasked with the responsibility of upholding them! Do you know what that means? No matter what I think of those rules, no matter how I feel about them, those rules are there for a reason and until they are changed for an even better reason, the fact is that they're there and should be followed, from the greatest of us to the least!Now, I'm not a moderator; I like to think of myself as a voice in the wilderness. I try not to come into topics like this one because more often than not I'm disgusted by the way they turn out. You punch the mods around because they took a stance on a matter, then get them to agree with you to some extent, go away feeling all smug about yourselves until they do something else you think is absolutely overkill and childishly stupid, then you're at it again. No, it's not all of you, but there's this collective of sorts that is constantly shouting nay nay nay! We can't have this! We can't have that! Away with the rules because rules suck! The only thing that could suck worse than rules is that other places have rules too, and so we want a place where we can go where there is no rules and no one ruling with rules!Let me ask you something, and answer it honestly; don't you believe it would have been easier to not have rules? Would it not be easier to just trust you all to display better judgment and then we don't have any of these issues? Would it not be so much simpler if instead of policing the forum in a manner everyone hates, we just didn't have to police the forum at all, because we know this forum is so well behaved? Wouldn't it be cool if if we could all just have discussions without having all of these irritating moderation warnings, cautions... I don't even know who started this cautioning nonsense! We never did it! You think these guys are bad? We were worse! We didn't give you cautions! We gave you harsh warnings! When you didn't heed them, we banned you! We didn't have a lenient system where you got a sort of probation or watch for doing something that we considered a bannable offense! You got a firm warning if it was your first, and a ban thereafter!And you know what? The reason it worked, was because we didn't have all these silly little loopholes the new mods, the nice mods, the wonderful mods who are trying to please and appease you at every turn have for you now! We made it clear what we wanted and you either followed or fell to the banhammer! No discussion of cracks! No flaming or disrespect! No discrimination! IN short, be a decent person and you have nothing to worry about! Do something against the community or the site and its voluntary staff? You're out!and it worked because we weren't policing the system like hawks, playing the role of helicopter parents at every turn. We just didn't want you discussing things on the forum that could get us all in trouble! You chose to disregard what we wanted. In some instances we gave you some leash to run around on, while in others we felt it was not acceptible. When you talked about cracking eloquence for NVDA we were sympathetic because we'd all been there to some degree or another and disagreed with some of the shadier practices companies were employing against blind people. When that wasn't enough and you wanted to distribute much more questionable content, we put our foot down because we knew it would reflect badly on us all as a community. Eloquence amy not be a mainstream subject; torrenting, however, actually is!So what happened next? this subset of people comes along and says, "Hey, you're not being fair all the way across the board!" If you're going to ban us for the discussion of pirated assets, you need to ban us for cloned material within the community as well, because those are pirated assets! And while you're at it, eloquence is not abandonware, so stop all the
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to right, lets tare this apart right here.Database: if not for Dark, that thing wouldn't be as big as it is right now. Yeah yeah... I contributed a few things, as did others. But who contributed the most?? That takes something specia; that takes passion, and I'm sorry to say I don't believe anyone else on this forum, myself included, has it.Moderators: when we moderated the forum, by which I mean myself, Dark, Sebbi, Arqmeister and others, you told us we overstepped our boundaries. Remember this? Yeah, leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time I look at it, too. Why? Because I didn't like having to push that stupid ban button on JimmyDub. It makes me feel like a useless hypocrite because, while I don't use the pirate bay or any torrenting sites anymore and haven't for years, I once did. who am I to tell you that you shouldn't do something I once was a part of in some senses? Reasons be damned! I did it and I had no regret at the time! But when I signed up for this forum, I signed up to abide by the rules set by its moderators! When I became one, I was tasked with the responsibility of upholding them! Do you know what that means? No matter what I think of those rules, no matter how I feel about them, those rules are there for a reason and until they are changed for an even better reason, the fact is that they're there and should be followed, from the greatest of us to the least!Now, I'm not a moderator; I like to think of myself as a voice in the wilderness. I try not to come into topics like this one because more often than not I'm disgusted by the way they turn out. You punch the mods around because they took a stance on a matter, then get them to agree with you to some extent, go away feeling all smug about yourselves until they do something else you think is absolutely overkill and childishly stupid, then you're at it again. No, it's not all of you, but there's this collective of sorts that is constantly shouting nay nay nay! We can't have this! We can't have that! Away with the rules because rules suck! The only thing that could suck worse than rules is that other places have rules too, and so we want a place where we can go where there is no rules and no one ruling with rules!Let me ask you something, and answer it honestly; don't you believe it would have been easier to not have rules? Would it not be easier to just trust you all to display better judgment and then we don't have any of these issues? Would it not be so much simpler if instead of policing the forum in a manner everyone hates, we just didn't have to police the forum at all, because we know this forum is so well behaved? Wouldn't it be cool if if we could all just have discussions without having all of these irritating moderation warnings, cautions... I don't even know who started this cautioning nonsense! We never did it! You think these guys are bad? We were worse! We didn't give you cautions! We gave you harsh warnings! When you didn't heed them, we banned you! We didn't have a lenient system where you got a sort of probation or watch for doing something that we considered a bannable offense! You got a firm warning if it was your first, and a ban thereafter!And you know what? The reason it worked, was because we didn't have all these silly little loopholes the new mods, the nice mods, the wonderful mods who are trying to please and appease you at every turn have for you now! We made it clear what we wanted and you either followed or fell to the banhammer! No discussion of cracks! No flaming or disrespect! No discrimination! IN short, be a decent person and you have nothing to worry about! Do something against the community or the site and its voluntary staff? You're out!and it worked because we weren't policing the system like hawks, playing the role of helicopter parents at every turn. We just didn't want you discussing things on the forum that could get us all in trouble! You chose to disregard what we wanted. In some instances we gave you some leash to run around on, while in others we felt it was not acceptible. When you talked about cracking eloquence for NVDA we were sympathetic because we'd all been there to some degree or another and disagreed with some of the shadier practices companies were employing against blind people. When that wasn't enough and you wanted to distribute much more questionable content, we put our foot down because we knew it would reflect badly on us all as a community. Eloquence amy not be a mainstream subject; torrenting, however, actually is!So what happened next? this subset of people comes along and says, "Hey, you're not being fair all the way across the board!" If you're going to ban us for the discussion of pirated assets, you need to ban us for cloned material within the community as well, because those are pirated assets! And while you're at it, eloquence is not abandonware, so stop all the
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Re: where has this community gone to well @19, I don't think the mods would let someone with this kind of attitude on the mod team.Plus, you'd probably ban everyone in the forum. Then you'd be administrating an empty forum. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586449/#p586449 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to its laughable to say that the mods slap bands out left and right, they give so many warnings and chances before an actual band happens, alot of you should actually be lucky, like i have said before, if i was a mod, you all would really complain about me, because i would be banding most of you, for some of the rude, toxic, immature, sneaky, childish behavior you all take part in, you would get hit with a band without any warnings and meetings, alot of you use there kindness and rule to be fair to all parties in a crisis to your advantage.granted its probebly debatable for simter's band, but i have seen him in deep water a few times on the forum and he wasn't band, so in my opinion he should have gotten band a while ago, so basically you can say he had it coming and i see that alot on this forum, some of you will have warnings, and will be skating on thin ice, but you still will be pushing the envelope to see just how far you can go, you would think you would move around the forum carefully once a warning is issued but nope, most of you don't see it like that, then boom when you get hit with a band you want to cry about it, save those tears, you shouldn't have continued to walk on the ledge after being told to get the hell down before you fall.nothing that is governed is going to be perfect, but as long as everyone does what they suppose to do like don't freakin post clones of games/software, beg for cracks, and just be a total doosh bag, then you will never have to worry about being band simple as that.note to simter and everyone else with a warning, stop testing the mod team, they are eventually going to get fed up by your antics and you may just get slapped with a band that in a normal circumstance probebly would have been over looked.long ass rant over URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586385/#p586385 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to *17. the only reason I said close the topic is that the problem right now is not related to the mac vm, so I started a new one requesting opinions URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586346/#p586346 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @1 So we discuss Simters ban in the other topic without trowing insults around or anything, even you yourself are part of the discussion, and suddenly you write: "I request the mods to close this topic because it has gotten out of hand."It hasn't, but okay. But then, one day later, you create a topic which starts the same discussion again? ... What? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586344/#p586344 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to @ignatriay: This is, a very valid criticism which is rare within this thread - to be expected, I suppose.You're absolutely right, the premature warning was probably overkill. I would not have even made it to that stage, however, if he hadn't mentioned that he wanted the mac OS but didn't want to buy it. You can't have your cake and eat it too in this cas,e because even if he were ignorant of the specific license terms set forth, a little common sense goes a long way. If it's software that you have to buy a device to obtain, and there is no way to download it for free (even as an evaluation) then wouldn't it make sense that you kind of can't work around that without facing trouble?It's easy to tell when someone is playing with fire and I got the feeling that he was. If he had literally just said he wanted a Mac vm, I would have been happy to give a little benefit of the doubt, inform him it isn't possible because reasons, and leave it at a caution. But no, instead he revealed a little too much of his intentions for it to stay at a cautionary phase. When we say intent will be taken into account, we do mean that literally. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586333/#p586333 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to aside from this topic at the moment, everything is fine for me anyway URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586330/#p586330 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I just have to say that half the people on this thread could probably run a forum. You know why we don't? Because whoever runs the forum will have to put up with some variant of this thread for whatever the unpopular decision of the day is, repeatedly. I've thought about doing it, not because of the mods but because this site has a limited lifetime before the fact that no one is running the servers causes an issue, but then threads like this remind me why it's just not worth it--much better to be a participant, rather than have an obligation to try to manage these.In the general case audiogames.net isn't enforcing Apple's license, it's doing something that a majority of other forums have done for a long time, namely disallowing piracy. Given that we have had a mac vm thread every 2 weeks for as long as I can remember, and that many of them have even gone as far as "you can't discuss this here, but we're not making a judgement call wink wink try google wink wink", anyone who has been very active on the forum hasn't got much of a leg to stand on when it comes to going down that road. Simter has certainly been active enough for that, and I could have sworn that I've seen other places on here where they've been involved in such threads. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586327/#p586327 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Frankly my feelings in this are mixed. Jack wrote,@staticmaster: Per Apple's license, you cannot run a Mac virtual machine if you do not own the physical hardware. If you were to, for example, create installation media from your own mac and run it on your own time, then sure, but you cannot then go distributing it. Likewise, if you yourslef don't own the hardware, you also do not own a license for Mac OS. Short answer is no. This is a warning. I get the explanation, but a warning at that stage seems... uh, maybee too harsh? I mean, if the individual have had passed history of doing something like this, then I would get the warning, but it seems a bit too much. I mean, when you take into account that this could have been asked do to ignorance of the license terms, and let's be honest, iif you don't own a apple product, or any other product... Why would you go and look up the license, if you've never owned the product of said license in the first place? On the other hand,static master wrote,hay guys. so I was going to use the nvda addon that bridges between a mac OS and windows. since I don't have in uf to buy a mac, o you guys have any virtual machines with voice over enabled that I can use? I really want to use the alex tts voice, and amung other things, I wish to have a mac so I can do other mac related stuff with out having to actualy buy one.I kinda get why the you thought the warning was warranted, if one where to analyze the post closely; I really, really do; but again. Going back to the question, if you don't own x product, why go and search for the license, when you don't own said product in the first place? I mean, this is the mindset of many. If i'm not affected by so and so... why bother? I do feel though, that a caution would've have been a bit more appropriate at this stage, especially given the what follows. Static master wrote,I am sorry, I didnt know if asking these things are permittable. I was going to buy a mac and thought I will not deel with all of this hassel so I thought i am gonna have a virtual macheen though. guess i will buy one and make it into a virtual machine if my brain functions correctly then.Again, mixed feelings on this as well. While the first part of the post says that he didn't know, intention; the second part says that he'll buy a mac and do it that way... That was... I mean he kinda dug himself into a hole there. And if one looks at this from the mod's point of view, supports the warning. If he had left it at, i'm sorry and that's it; a warning would've been overkill, but saying i'm sorry but then contradictions himself with, i'll buy a mac and do it that way... Oops. I mean, that kinda supports the warning. At this point, I feel the warning was given... too prematurely. I mean, this would've been better handled if the decision of a warning or caution would've waited until this post, and then, action taken. I mean, even at this point the warning was... too much. A caution should've sufficed, at least; for the first post, where he asked about the vm. On the second one where he dug himself into a proverbial hole after apologizing... That, I feel, is when the warning might have been given. But after the first post? That was... Too much to quickly. As far as simpter's ban... I mean I'll be blunt, he kinda pushed too far, despite direct contrary evidence shown in front of his face. People; and more than one, I might add; quoted the apple license and... no dice; he kept pushing it, despite all evidence going against him... I mean, he was asking for it at that point.In the end, While I disagree with the warning and how quickly it was given; as I said before a caution should've come first after the first post; not a straight up warning as was given. I mean, waiting until the other party had a chance to explain himself and then deciding on a further course of action would've been better. I mean, he would've gotten warned anyway. But I feel the warning just after his first post was jumping the gun. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586310/#p586310 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: where has this community gone to It's kinda strange that I sit here and am about to agree with ironcross32. that's the most surprising fact to me, rather than what the mods are doing or have been. Frankly, I don't have the time to be as regular on the forums as I used to be, but when you start enforcing licensing terms of other companies going so far as to quote them at people, that's going a bit too far in terms of all this legality bullshit. and agreed, the worning static master got was not at all warranted. and the ban for simta now? nope.but like Zack 93 said in one of the posts when the mods were pushing for the vault not to be discussed on here the mods are trying to push goalposts day by day. boiling water slowly as apposed to turning the boil all at once, so the frog (or is it lopster) gets cooked and doesn't try and jump out before it's too late. there by they get to push their ways/ opinions what you will onto people, without caring about what the community as a whole actually wants. @ironcross, the only reason why this forum continues to survive even after the moderators behavior is because of the audiogames.net database and the fact that this forum is connected to it. fun fact, the mods responsible for the forums downhill turn don't contribute shite to that database. Grryf URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586317/#p586317 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to It's kinda strange that I sit here and am about to agree with ironcross32. that's the most surprising fact to me, rather than what the mods are doing or have been. Frankly, I don't have the time to be as regular on the forums as I used to be, but when you start enforcing licensing terms of other companies going so far as to quote them at people, that's going a bit too far in terms of all this legality bullshit. and agreed, the worning static master got was not at all warranted. and the ban for simta now? nope.but like Zack 93 said in one of the posts when the mods were pushing for the vault not to be discussed on here the mods are trying to push goalposts day by day. boiling water slowly as apposed to turning the boil all at once, so the frog (or is it lopster) gets cooked and doesn't try and jump out before it's too late. there by they get to push their ways/ opinions what you will onto people, without caring about what the community as a whole actually want. @ironcross, the only reason why this forum continues to survive even after the moderators behavior is because of the audiogames.net database and the fact that this forum is connected to it. fun fact, the mods responsible for the forums downhill turn don't contribute shite to that database. Grryf URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586317/#p586317 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Frankly my feelings in this are mixed. Jack wrote,@staticmaster: Per Apple's license, you cannot run a Mac virtual machine if you do not own the physical hardware. If you were to, for example, create installation media from your own mac and run it on your own time, then sure, but you cannot then go distributing it. Likewise, if you yourslef don't own the hardware, you also do not own a license for Mac OS. Short answer is no. This is a warning. I get the explanation, but a warning at that stage seems... uh, maybee too harsh? I mean, if the individual have had passed history of doing something like this, then I would get the warning, but it seems a bit too much. I mean, when you take into account that this could have been asked do to ignorance of the license terms, and let's be honest, iif you don't own a apple product, or any other product... Why would you go and look up the license, if you've never owned the product of said license in the first place? On the other hand,static master wrote,hay guys. so I was going to use the nvda addon that bridges between a mac OS and windows. since I don't have in uf to buy a mac, o you guys have any virtual machines with voice over enabled that I can use? I really want to use the alex tts voice, and amung other things, I wish to have a mac so I can do other mac related stuff with out having to actualy buy one.I kinda get why the you thought the warning was warranted, if one where to analyze the post closely; I really, really do; but again. Going back to the question, if you don't own x product, why go and search for the license, when you don't own said product in the first place? I mean, this is the mindset of many. If i'm not affected by so and so... why bother? I do feel though, that a caution would've have been a bit more appropriate at this stage, especially given the what follows. Static master wrote,I am sorry, I didnt know if asking these things are permittable. I was going to buy a mac and thought I will not deel with all of this hassel so I thought i am gonna have a virtual macheen though. guess i will buy one and make it into a virtual machine if my brain functions correctly then.Again, mixed feelings on this as well. While the first part of the post says that he didn't know, intention; the second part says that he'll buy a mac and do it that way... That was... I mean he kinda dug himself into a hole there. And if one looks at this from the mod's point of view, supports the warning. If he had left it at, i'm sorry and that's it; a warning would've been overkill, but saying i'm sorry but then contradictions himself with, i'll buy a mac and do it that way... Oops. I mean, that kinda supports the warning. At this point, I feel the warning was given... too prematurely. I mean, this would've been better handled if the decision of a warning or caution would've waited until this post, and then, action taken. I mean, even at this point the warning was... too much. A caution should've sufficed, at least; for the first post, where he asked about the vm. On the second one where he dug himself into a proverbial hole after apologizing... That, I feel, is when the warning might have been given. But after the first post? That was... Too much to quickly. As far as simpter's ban... I mean I'll be blunt, he kinda pushed too far, despite direct contrary evidence shown in front of his face. People; and more than one, I might add; quoted the apple license and... no dice; he kept pushing it, despite all evidence going against him... I mean, he was asking for it at that point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586310/#p586310 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Frankly my feelings in this are mixed. Jack wrote,@staticmaster: Per Apple's license, you cannot run a Mac virtual machine if you do not own the physical hardware. If you were to, for example, create installation media from your own mac and run it on your own time, then sure, but you cannot then go distributing it. Likewise, if you yourslef don't own the hardware, you also do not own a license for Mac OS. Short answer is no. This is a warning. I get the explanation, but a warning at that stage seems... uh, maybee too harsh? I mean, if the individual have had passed history of doing something like this, then I would get the warning, but it seems a bit too much. I mean, when you take into account that this could have been asked do to ignorance of the license terms, and let's be honest, iif you don't own a apple product, or any other product... Why would you go and look up the license, if you've never owned the product of said license in the first place? On the other hand,static master wrote,hay guys. so I was going to use the nvda addon that bridges between a mac OS and windows. since I don't have in uf to buy a mac, o you guys have any virtual machines with voice over enabled that I can use? I really want to use the alex tts voice, and amung other things, I wish to have a mac so I can do other mac related stuff with out having to actualy buy one.I kinda get why the you thought the warning was warranted, if one where to analyze the post closely; I really, really do; but again. Going back to the question, if you don't own x product, why go and search for the license, when you don't own said product in the first place? I mean, this is the mindset of many. If i'm not affected by so and so... why bother? I do feel though, that a caution would've have been a bit more appropriate in this case though. Static master wrote,I am sorry, I didnt know if asking these things are permittable. I was going to buy a mac and thought I will not deel with all of this hassel so I thought i am gonna have a virtual macheen though. guess i will buy one and make it into a virtual machine if my brain functions correctly then.Again, mixed feelings on this as well. While the first part of the post says that he didn't know, intention; the second part says that he'll buy a mac and do it that way... That was... I mean he kinda dug himself into a hole there. And if one looks at this from the mod's point of view, supports the warning. If he had left it at, i'm sorry and that's it; a warning would've been overkill, but saying i'm sorry but then contradictions himself with, i'll buy a mac and do it that way... Oops. I mean, that kinda supports the warning. At this point, I feel the warning was given... too prematurely. I mean, this would've been better handled if the decision of a warning or caution would've waited until this post, and then, action taken. I mean, even at this point the warning was... too much. A caution should've sufficed, at least; for the first post, where he asked about the vm. On the second one where he dug himself into a proverbial hole after apologizing... That, I feel, is when the warning might have been given. But after the first post? That was... Too much to quickly. As far as simpter's ban... I mean I'll be blunt, he kinda pushed too far, despite direct contrary evidence shown in front of his face. People; and more than one, I might add; quoted the apple license and... no dice; he kept pushing it, despite all evidence going against him... I mean, he was asking for it at that point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586310/#p586310 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Frankly my feelings in this are mixed. Jack wrote,@staticmaster: Per Apple's license, you cannot run a Mac virtual machine if you do not own the physical hardware. If you were to, for example, create installation media from your own mac and run it on your own time, then sure, but you cannot then go distributing it. Likewise, if you yourslef don't own the hardware, you also do not own a license for Mac OS. Short answer is no. This is a warning. I get the explanation, but a warning at that stage seems... uh, maybee too harsh? I mean, if the individual have had passed history of doing something like this, then I would get the warning, but it seems a bit too much. I mean, when you take into account that this could have been asked do to ignorance of the license terms, and let's be honest, iif you don't own a apple product, or any other product... Why would you go and look up the license, if you've never owned the product of said license in the first place? On the other hand,static master wrote,hay guys. so I was going to use the nvda addon that bridges between a mac OS and windows. since I don't have in uf to buy a mac, o you guys have any virtual machines with voice over enabled that I can use? I really want to use the alex tts voice, and amung other things, I wish to have a mac so I can do other mac related stuff with out having to actualy buy one.I kinda get why the you thought the warning was warranted, if one where to analyze the post closely; I really, really do; but again. Going back to the question, if you don't own x product, why go and search for the license, when you don't own said product in the first place? I mean, this is the mindset of many. If i'm not affected by so and so... why bother? I do feel though, that a caution would've have been a bit more appropriate in this case though. Static master wrote,I am sorry, I didnt know if asking these things are permittable. I was going to buy a mac and thought I will not deel with all of this hassel so I thought i am gonna have a virtual macheen though. guess i will buy one and make it into a virtual machine if my brain functions correctly then.Again, mixed feelings on this as well. While the first part of the post says that he didn't know, intention; the second part says that he'll buy a mac and do it that way... At this point, I feel the warning was given... too prematurely. I mean, this would've been better handled if the warning would've waited until this post, and then, action taken. I mean, even at this point the warning was... too much. A caution should've sufficed, at least when taking this post into account, although I do see the thought process behind the why of the warning; not the caution. I disagree with it, but I do see the why from the mod's point of view.As far as simpter's ban... I mean I'll be blunt, he kinda pushed too far, despite direct contrary evidence shown in front of his face. People; and more than one, I might add; quoted the apple license and... no dice; he kept pushing it, despite all evidence going against him... I mean, he was asking for it at that point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586310/#p586310 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to You got one warning, Staticmaster. Boo-hoo. Like jack said, it'll be gone in 90 days, Your reputation hasn't been forever tarnished.As for Simter, the only thing I can agree with is that he should've just been banned when the watch was put in place, as ironcross32 said. But well, he was banned now. Good riddance! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586308/#p586308 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to the mods were good back in the day, but now it's just bs that keeps happening, ad they overpower us URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586285/#p586285 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I'm torn on Simter. I think it's common knowledge I don't think very highly of him. Then there's the fact that he was already on watch to begin with, but he really didn't do anything. That was the most tame I've seen him in a while. Also, he never said he didn't care about the watch, and is that really a reason to ban someone, because they don't care about something?I don't agree with him saying the watch was done just to shut him up. He was being more than a nuisance for far too long, and he deserved that watch. In fact, I think he should have been banned at that point in time, but now, for that? Meh, it's stupid.The mods are seeing that they have power of us because no one will make another site, like actually make a proper go of it. They're pulling more and more bullshit by the day. Then they have the nerve to try to settle us down and feed us a line of bull to make us think it isn't as bad as it really is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586282/#p586282 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to agree @7 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586280/#p586280 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to All the warnings in that thread, were to an extent unfounded. At the end of the day simter did nothing, in the bounds of the rules, did nothing, wrong. He asked a question, maybe was uptone, but still. Also, why didn't they just caution Static Master, instead of an all out warn? Have we forgotten about cautions, only when its convenient to the mods? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586278/#p586278 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to All the warnings in that thread, were to an extent unfounded. At the end of the day simter did nothing, in the bounds of the rules, did nothing, wrong. He asked a question, maybe was uptone, but still. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586278/#p586278 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Yeah the warning you got was complete bullshit in my opinion. It was the first time you'd ever asked such a thing that I've ever seen. Jayde is always talking about how intent gets factored in, well it wasn't in this case. Ignorance of the license terms may not be an adequate defense if you breach them with the company, but it sure as shit shouldn't land you a warning on your first offense.I'm getting fed up with this slap happy approach the mods are taking. I'm believing less and less of what they say on the daily as well. And this bad faith shit? Fuck that. Now that's going to be used to justify any punitive action taken. I see it coming. This place is turning into a big government sort of operation. You are always being watched, and you have to fear asking questions. The mods are tearing down a community that's been around for 15 years and all because they can't step back and look at the bigger picture. Honestly, at this point, they're all just as guilty, if not by action, by association, and they all should be ashamed of how they've been running this place. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586274/#p586274 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I am indifferent.here is what's most likely going to ha[ppen,1, you will get ridiculed by some members.2, after a day wait or until a moderator logs up, you will be banned, and this topic will be closed because of flamewar purposes.your(simter's) case is weakened because of the fact you are a friend of his. If someone who is not his friend that does not also have Nemesis status with him maybe he can be helped but URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586272/#p586272 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to Are you a frog my dude? Cause you're making some pretty big leaps. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586269/#p586269 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to at 2, it's not just about the mac vm. there are other problems the mods have made URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586266/#p586266 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: where has this community gone to
Re: where has this community gone to I think that there was no point to starting this thread and that, anything else aside, anyone who even contemplates mac vms for 30 seconds knows that they're not legal irregardless of what the license might say. And you definitely do if you got as far as googling "how to make a mac vm". I'm not going to read all the links. That's not really necessary here.But to answer the click bait title as opposed to what the thread is actually about, this community went to the special hell reserved for communities where when mods take action against blatantly illegal things that everyone knows are illegal, somehow it's the mods being mean about it and acting in bad faith and then let's debate whether mac vms are actually legal or whatever, time to figure out who gets the magic piracy passport. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586263/#p586263 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
