Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it For me, it's a few things.- The package managers :: I seriously love having just one stop to install everything, well just about everything, update just about everything, and remove everything. And once something is removed, it's pretty well gone, nothing left by maybe the config files.- Emacs :: I love Emacs. Well, mostly because of:- Emacspeak :: Emacspeak is pretty amazing, and makes computing actually fun and rather easy once you get used to it.- It makes sense :: Once you dive in, the file system, system processes, and everything that makes your system tick, makes sense, and it is open to you. Don't want something starting up when you boot the computer? Systemd has you covered. Want something starting up? systemctl enable something. Of course, there are issues, lack of a great sound enhancement system, lack of a good system-wide spell checker, all that, but all in all, it works great.- Configurations are easily reproducible :: If you find someone's config file on the Internet, you can just install the program and copy the configuration file to wherever the program expects it, and you're good. This is really great for getting back up and running if you have to reinstall your OS, too.- All the tools :: You may be able to get by with WSL, and if so, shoot for it. But I like to have one unified system, not Windows and a Linux kernel on the same computer, with communication at the barest of essentials needed to get a little stuff done.So yeah, that is some reasons why I love Linux, and keep coming back to it time and time again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/595307/#p595307 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it I think I'd rather trust the Mint team's view on this. See the opening bits of this and why they have disabled snap in Mint 20https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedoc … /snap.html URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594574/#p594574 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @30, Uhm... You know that doesn't even make sense, right? That wasn't even the point I was making. That wasn't even my original point earlier in this thread.You started this debate by claiming that snap was being developed to replace Apt. That was false. You then jumped into operating systems -- something of which I have experience in. You then claimed that Fuchsia was being developed to replace Android, as a failed comparison to your earlier claim. Again, this was false, and I proved this by indicating that your claim was equivalent to me claiming that my small OS was being developed to replace Linux, which is obviously false, because I wouldn't have used it as a comparison otherwise. Not once in this thread have I ever claimed that an OS, developed for hobby/research, or developed for any other intent, couldn't come to dominate the OS market. And I have never claimed that because that would be obviously false because Linux has aptly demonstrated such a possibility.Am I denying the possibility that Fuchsia or my OS will replace Android and Linux, respectively, despite the intent of the developers? No. I am denying the claim that the intent of the developers of both are to replace their respective rivals. Please carefully re-read my posts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594523/#p594523 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@29: following your logic and so called proofs you're providing, Linux shouldn't be even a major operating system by now, because its autor didn't claim it to be the most used operating system in the world. In fact, Torvalds marked it as pure hobby, small, non-professional OS, in day of its release.So, with your arguments, a hobby OS doesn't have a chance to replace well established projects, and claiming it to do so is misinformation and lie, which can be disproved with claims of author about small goals.Okay, whatever you say.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594503/#p594503 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@29: following your logic and so called proofs you're providing, Linux shouldn't be even a major operating system by now, because its autor didn't claim it to be the most used operating system in the world. In fact, Torvalds marked it as pure hobby, small, non-professional OS, in day of its release.So, with your arguments, a hobby OS doesn't have a chance to replace well established projects, and claiming it to do so is misinformation and lie, which can be disproved with claims of author about small goals.Okay, whatever you say.best regardsRastislavBest regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594503/#p594503 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@29: following your logic and so called proofs you're providing, Linux shouldn't be even a major operating system by now, because its autor didn't claim it to be the most used operating system in the world. In fact, Torvalds marked it as pure hobby, small non-professional OS, in day of its release.So, with your arguments, a hobby OS doesn't have a chance to replace well established projects, and claiming it to do so is misinformation and lie, which can be disproved with claims of author about small goals.Okay, whatever you say.best regardsRastislavBest regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594503/#p594503 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @22, the claims of Apt replacing Snap and Fuchsia replacing Android are not comparable at all. That's apples and oranges, sir. Furthermore, neither claim is likely to happen any time soon. Android has far too much that relies on it for any new OS to suddenly replace it, and the same applies to Apt. As an OS developer myself, claiming that Fuchsia is being developed to replace Android is like claiming that my kernel is being developed to replace Linux. Like... Yes, Fuchsia has a library and programming language for it, and even some apps... But that in no way means it was ever designed to replace Android at all. If you want an OS to be usable by anything, you kinda need a library for it. That should be obvious. System calls aren't usually enough -- you need a C library too. The programming language is optional, but it doesn't further make the claim any more true.https://www.bgr.in/news/google-says-fuc … -os-808957I've just provided you two sources -- one per claim -- that invalidate them. I think your just deliberately providing misinformation at this point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594470/#p594470 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it @22, the claims of Apt replacing Snap and Fuchsia replacing Android are not comparable at all. That's apples and oranges, sir. Furthermore, neither claim is likely to happen. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fuchsia/commen … ce_androidI've just provided you two sources -- one per claim -- that invalidate them. I think your just deliberately providing misinformation at this point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594470/#p594470 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Heh, the only package I've ever installed via snap is spotify. That's it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594462/#p594462 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Been using Linux for ages starting with Ubuntu 16.04 and going from there, with brief forays into Solus and back to Ubuntu Matebecause it does what I nedFar as apt/snap goes I have heard it said if you use apt it pulls from the snap store however so.. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594459/#p594459 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi,Full time linux user here. I moved away from windows almost completely, with a few exceptions such as school work, a few weeks ago, and have not looked back since. Primarily, I realized that all of the things I needed to do could be done in linux anyway, and most of the stuff I'd been spoiled with in windows I could do without, for example TWBlue and the variety of NVDA addons I'd become accustomed to. Besides that, though, perhaps I just wanted something new? I'd been using linux for a long time prior to this anyway, had had it on a spare laptop of mine since May / April this year, and had been using the linux command line on servers for even longer. I'd say that, knowing the CLI as well as I did starting out, probably gave me a huge advantage.Am also an ubuntu mate user, specifically accessible coconut, though I've been considering going the arch way because of audiogame manager, among other things. It seems to have a lot more of the stuff I need starting out, for example lib32 gstreamer plugins, which I'm having a stupidly hard time finding on ubuntu. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594453/#p594453 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
2020-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : claudiogaranzini via Audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi guys! I'm trying entering the Linux World because of the possibility to change and modify the chosen distro as I want. I have to learn so many things but this is the best part of my new journey. I now use my Widnows 10 pc for daily activities but have alo an other little laptop in wich I've just installed an other distro of linux, the Coconut, and I'm starting my new experience! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/59/#p59 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@23: I'm running Ubuntu mate 20.04 64-bit, for my reasons see post #3. Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594422/#p594422 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it For those of you who use Linux daily, what distro do you use and what made you switch from Windows or Mac to Linux fulltime? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594399/#p594399 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@21: well, in a similar fashion, Google declares a whole system, Fuchsia, not to replace Android, and to serve only as a model OS for... hmm... I can't even imagine how that would be useful.They've put developing resources into creating their own kernel, their own libraries for it, their own user interface, their own programming language, their own development framework just to make an research experiment.Okay, if they say so...Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594391/#p594391 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @20, no. Snap is not replacing apt in any sense. Apt is here to stay -- for a long, long time. https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-snap-replaces-apt-blueprint URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594314/#p594314 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@18: depends on how you view it. If we take the primary goals of both apt and snap, yes, they're different. Apt's goal is to install packages and solve their dependencies, while snap besides this focuses on installation process unification along various platforms. So yes, they really serve slightly different purposes.But the very base, installing packages, is the same for both, even though they take different approaches to it.And snap is more advanced in this area in sense, that it solves the long-standing Linux problem of preparing packages for tens of various distributions, if a developer wants to deliver his work to as many people as possible.So, it is likely that snap will slowly take over apt, especially in case of non-system packages.Will snap *completely* replace apt?This is not possible to answer definitely. And even if it once happens, it will be a long process. There are few problems with it:* snap is a project of Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, while apt comes from Debian. Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, what makes a loop where it's complicated to replace component as basic as package manager. It would need to be done by Debian first, and taken by Ubuntu next.* snap has to gain much higher popularity in order for Debian team to consider replacing apt with it.* snap would also have to significantly overgrow its competitors, the unified packages delivery is not a new idea, and FlatPack along with AppImage are trying to do something very similar* snap has its own issues with apps not working like they should or needing to overcome some of its sandboxing limitations. These need to be resolved before even thinking about using it as a system's package manager.So, I agree on the conclusion, that we will definitely see apt around even in next years.But at the same time, normal packages should slowly switch to an unified form of distribution, more advantageous for them, and thus apt's usage will very likely slowly get more and more limited to system packages.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594280/#p594280 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@18: depends on how you view it. If we take the primary goals of both apt and snap, yes, they're different. Apt's goal is to install packages and solve their dependencies, while snap besides this focuses on installation process unification along various platforms. So yes, they really serve slightly different purposes.But the very base, installing packages, is the same for both, even though they take different approaches to it.And snap is more advanced in this area in sense, that it solves the long-standing Linux problem of preparing packages for tens of various distributions, if a developer wants to deliver his work to as many people as possible.So, it is likely that snap will slowly take over apt, especially in case of non-system packages.Will snap *completely* replace apt?This is not possible to answer definitely. And even if it once happens, it will be a long process. There are few problems with it:* snap is a project of Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu, while apt comes from Debian. Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, what makes a loop where it's complicated to replace component as basic as package manager. It would need to be done by Debian first, and taken by Ubuntu next.* snap has to gain much higher popularity in order for Debian team to consider replacing apt with it.* snap would also have to significantly overgrow its competitors, the unified packages delivery is not a new idea, and FlatPack along with AppImage are trying to do something very similar* snap has its own issues with apps not working like they should or needing to overcome some of its sandboxing limitations. These need to be resolved before even thinking about using it as a system's package manager.So, I agree on the conclusion, that we will definitely see apt around even in next years.But at the same time, normal packages should slowly switch to an unified form of distribution, more advantageous for them, and thus apt's usage will slowly get more and more limited to system packages.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594280/#p594280 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
2020-11-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Fuck snap. Snap is a steaming pile of trodden on dog feces that plays host to a large swarming cloud of flies. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594277/#p594277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @12, snap is not trying to replace apt. Snap and Apt serve very different purposes, and its highly unlikely that Apt will ever vanish. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594223/#p594223 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@13 and 16: I personally like:sudo apt install ./package_name.debTo say the truth, I don't know whether there are any significant differences between doing it like this and using dpkg directly, I like this form for centralization reasons i.e. I use one program for everything apt packages related.As for installing snaps offline, that process is mentioned in the snap guide.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594202/#p594202 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Do sudo dpkg --install myfile.deb URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594200/#p594200 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Use dpkg in the terminal URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594196/#p594196 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Run it, go through the install with flat review. It may take a little trial and error, but you'll get it after a while. The 1 annoying thing I've found though, when a package is done installing, it will leave this little goste window behind. You can't alt F4 it, I haven't been able to find it in system monitor, the only way I've found to get rid of it is to restart the PC. Which, is fucky to say the least. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594194/#p594194 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @12, correct me if i'm rong, but the things you said are about installing packages from online repos, but what i'm saying is if I download a .deb package, from online websites useing firefox or something, how to go about installing it accessabily URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594181/#p594181 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@11: to be honest, I did not even try the graphical package manager yet. :DtUbuntu has currently two major package managers, apt and snap. apt is older, snap newer, trying to replace apt.While apt is more about ensuring that a package gets installed with all its dependencies, snap is a step ahead and tries to isolate installed packages from your environment a bit, You can find a nice apt overview here:https://itsfoss.com/apt-command-guide/a bit more about searching:https://itsfoss.com/apt-search-command/And a Snap guide:https://itsfoss.com/use-snap-packages-ubuntu-16-04/I personally like apt-cache search package_name more than apt searh --names-only package_name, but that's a subjective thing.It's not everything, the aptone for example doesn't mention repositories and installing their public gpg keys, but you should be able to get a good idea about the basic usage.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594175/#p594175 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @10 one more thing which I can litirily get back to linux if it gets fix, the package manager to install .deb packages from file manager isnt accessible, is there a shell aulternitiv or something? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594145/#p594145 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@8: did the super menu not work in a session i.e. from logging in to logging out, or was it rather random, i.e. you press it once, it works, you press it second time, it doesn't?If it's the first case, that may be caused by the Mate bug of disturbing its accessibility, a good sign of that is inaccessible desktop.It happens just from time to time, seemingly randomly. That's the reason why it still exists, if there was an obvious cause, it would be probably fixed by now.What I use to do is opening terminal with super+T, and entering:mate-session-save --logout-dialogAfter confirming, a logout dialog appears, which I confirm by space.Then I'm logged out, and after logging in, it usually works again.It happens really just sometimes, so I don't see it as a major issue.If you do, you can try out using GDM3 display manager instead of LightDM. Back in days, where I was running original Ubuntu Gnome with Mate installed as a second desktop environment, set as my defaultone, the LightDM manager was causing this issue on every single run. GDM3 on the other hand did not, and didn't have that bug at all.So, if it really disturbs you that much, it might be worth trying.As for removing the Linux partition, well, few years ago, I've got my own creative idea - to uninstall Python.As almost the whole Linux accessibility is built in Python, well, you can probably imagine what followed. That's probably one of the Linux' biggest weaknesses. It assumes its users are not stupid. Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594139/#p594139 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@8: did the super menu not work in a session i.e. from logging in to logging out, or was it rather random, i.e. you press it once, it works, you press it second time, it doesn't?If it's the first case, that may be caused by the Mate bug of disturbing its accessibility, a good sign of that is inaccessible desktop.It happens just from time to time, seemingly randomly. That's the reason why it still exists, if there was an obvious cause, it would be probably fixed by now.What I use to do is opening terminal with super+T, and entering:mate-session-save --logout-dialogAfter confirming, a logout dialog appears, which I confirm by space.Then I'm logged out, and after logging in, it usually works again.It happens really just sometimes, so I don't see it as a major issue.If you do, you can try out using GDM3 display manager instead of LightDM. Back in days, where I was running original Ubuntu Gnome with Mate installed as a second desktop environment, set as my defaultone, the LightDM manager was causing this issue on every single run. GDM3 on the other hand did not, and didn't have that bug at all.So, if it really disturbs you that much, it might be worth trying.As for removing the Linux partition, well, few years ago, I've got my own creative idea - to uninstall Python.As almost the whole Linux accessibility is built in Python, well, you can probably imagine what followed. Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594139/#p594139 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@8: did the super menu not work in a session i.e. from logging in to logging out, or was it rather random, i.e. you press it once, it works, you press it second time, it doesn't?If it's the first case, that may be caused by the Mate bug of disturbing its accessibility, a good sign of that is inaccessible desktop.It happens just from time to time, seemingly randomly. That's the reason why it still exists, if there was an obvious cause, it would be probably fixed by now.What I use to do is opening terminal with super+T, and entering:mate-session-save --logout-dialogAfter confirming, a logout dialog appears, which I confirm by space.Then I'm logged out, and after logging in, it usually works again.It happens really just sometimes, so I don't see it as a major issue.If you do, you can try out using GDM3 display manager instead of LightDM. Back in days, where I was running originally Ubuntu Gnome with Mate installed as a second desktop environment, set as my defaultone, the LightDM manager was causing this issue on every single run. GDM3 on the other hand did not, and didn't have that bug at all.So, if it really disturbs you that much, it might be worth trying.As for removing the Linux partition, well, few years ago, I've got my own creative idea - to uninstall Python.As almost the whole Linux accessibility is built in Python, well, you can probably imagine what followed. Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594139/#p594139 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @8You can get Eloquence (IBM TTS) and Vocalizer from:https://voxin.oralux.net/IBM TTS is the cheapest at $5 USD or so. Vocalizer varies, depending on the voice variant.Also, using Ubuntu and Debian distros seem to do better with installation over Arch and Fedora. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594131/#p594131 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @8You can get Eloquence (IBM TTS) and Vocalizer from:https://voxin.oralux.net/IBM TTS is the cheapest at $5 USD or so. Vocalizer varies, depending on the voice variant. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594131/#p594131 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @7 yes, randomly pressing keys randomly did something which randomly made orca to fineily know what's hapinning, however, when I finished installing I used it for some days, all fine, but sometimes the menu when you press super just dont work with orka and so as the desctop with alt ctrl D, and also ragequitted because I cant just work with espeek for a long time, I love elequince but did not knoo how to buy it or eavin where to do so, and yeah, a funny axidint, I managed to made my computer unuseable by deleting the linux partition but that's not something that could bother me since I know that that may hapin anyways URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594129/#p594129 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@5: did you eventually pass the installation? Did your problems continue even on running system?How exactly did they look like on normal run of an installed system?Did you see my post, where I recommended to learn how to do flat review and reading the whole screen?These two skills are really useful, especially the firstone, many places, especially with purely textual information, are unreachable without one or the other and thus you may feel restricted in those situations.@6: whats wrong with Mate?I personally use it every day and don't see where it sucks, there is the universal mate menu, the bottom tray, multiple desktops, accessible settings and a good files browser, which doesn't crash on every occassion, like Nautilus does. What else should it be capable of?Of course pleasure is a subjective thing and everyone likes something else, that's in fact the whole reason why Mate exists. I'm just interested.I personally don't like Ubuntu Gnome i.e. the classic Ubuntu. It doesn't even have accessible desktop, and Nautilus, as I mentioned before, is able to crash just from trying to do a flat review. Seriously, I've really experienced that.I don't remember Caja ever crashing, and when it did, it was most likely due to my crazy usage. The when part of the sentence is there because I remember one crash, where I can't recall which system was I using at the time, whether Ubuntu Gnome or Mate.As for Orca, yes, its documentation definitely sucks. Speech dispatcher has a lot betterone, I was capable of implementing my own speech module based on it, even though it misses few parts. But the Orcaone is horrible.We could very well create a whole science around it, Orcology, the science of studying Orca code. However, as for OCR, there is a way to do this.https://github.com/chrys87/ocrdesktopIt works, I've just tried. It's a single Python script. After installing dependencies, it's handy to stick it to a shortcut, and after activating it, it will take a screenshot and ocr it.A window will be displayed with a read-only edit field, where you can browse the results, copy them, and even click on them either with left click, double click or right click.Plus, you can configure various parameters of the screen capturing such as setting the capture to black and white, setting exact thresholds for the two colors, and other image processing things to get the best results.You can read all details on what it can do in its documentation, it's a part of the repository.It's even more advanced than NVDA's OCR I'd say.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594124/#p594124 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@5: did you eventually pass the installation? Did your problems continue even on running system?How exactly did they look like on normal run of an installed system?Did you see my post, where I recommended to learn how to do flat review and reading the whole screen?These two skills are really useful, especially the firstone, many places, especially with purely textual information, are unreachable without one or the other and thus you may feel restricted in those situations.@6: whats wrong with Mate?I personally use it every day and don't see where it sucks, there is the universal mate menu, the bottom tray, multiple desktops, accessible settings and a good files browser, which doesn't crash on every occassion, like Nautilus does. What else should it be capable of?Of course pleasure is a subjective thing and everyone likes something else, that's in fact the whole reason why Mate exists. I'm just interested.I personally don't like Ubuntu Gnome i.e. the classic Ubuntu. It doesn't even have accessible desktop, and Nautilus, as I mentioned before, is able to crash just from trying to do a flat review. Seriously, I've really experienced that.I don't remember Caja ever crashing, and when it did, it was most likely due to my crazy usage. The when part of the sentence is there because I remember one crash, where I can't recall which system was I using at the time, whether Ubuntu Gnome or Mate.As for Orca, yes, its documentation definitely sucks. Speech dispatcher has a lot betterone, I was capable of implementing my own speech module based on it, even though it misses few parts. But the Orcaone is horrible.We could very well create a whole science around it, Orcology, the science of studying Orca code. However, as for OCR, there is a way to do this.https://github.com/chrys87/ocrdesktopIt works, I've just tried. It's a single Python script. After installing dependencies, it's handy to stick it to a shortcut, and after activating it, it will take the screenshot and ocr it.A window will be displayed with a read-only edit field, where you can browse the results, copy them, and even click on them either with left click, double click or right click.Plus, you can configure various parameters of the screen capturing such as setting the capture to black and white, setting exact thresholds for the two colors, and other image processing things to get the best results.You can read all details on what it can do in its documentation, it's a part of the repository.It's even more advanced than NVDA's OCR I'd say.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594124/#p594124 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@5: did you eventually pass the installation? Did your problems continue even on running system?How exactly did they look like on normal run of an installed system?Did you see my post, where I recommended to learn how to do flat review and reading the whole screen?These two skills are really useful, especially the firstone, many places, especially with purely textual information, are unreachable without one or the other and thus you may feel restricted in those situations.@6: whats wrong with Mate?I personally use it every day and don't see where it sucks, there is the universal mate menu, the bottom tray, multiple desktops, accessible settings and a good files browser, which doesn't crash on every occassion, like Nautilus does. What else should it be capable of?Of course pleasure is a subjective thing and everyone likes something else, that's in fact the whole reason why Mate exists. I'm just interested.I personally don't like Ubuntu Gnome i.e. the classic Ubuntu. It doesn't even have accessible desktop, and Nautilus, as I mentioned before, is able to crash just from trying to do a flat review. Seriously, I've really experienced that.I don't remember Caja ever crashing, and when it did, it was most likely due to my crazy usage. The when part of the sentence is there because I remember one crash, but I can't recall which system was I using at the time, whether Ubuntu Gnome or Mate.As for Orca, yes, its documentation definitely sucks. Speech dispatcher has a lot betterone, I was capable of implementing my own speech module based on it, even though it misses few parts. But the Orcaone is horrible.We could very well create a whole science around it, Orcology, the science of studying Orca code. However, as for OCR, there is a way to do this.https://github.com/chrys87/ocrdesktopIt works, I've just tried. It's a single Python script. After installing dependencies, it's handy to stick it to a shortcut, and after activating it, it will take the screenshot and ocr it.A window will be displayed with a read-only edit field, where you can browse the results, copy them, and even click on them either with left click, double click or right click.Plus, you can configure various parameters of the screen capturing such as setting the capture to black and white, setting exact thresholds for the two colors, and other image processing things to get the best results.You can read all details on what it can do in its documentation, it's a part of the repository.It's even more advanced than NVDA's OCR I'd say.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594124/#p594124 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it yeah, the mate desktop is not a plezent thing to use at all, that's why I choose normal, vanilla ubuntu.I like ubuntu also because of the way it handles packages. The apt package manager is absolutely wanderful, like the existing application stores, but without any of the specific inconveniences like you absolutely need an account to access apps you want to use. With linux, this flys out the window.Now, I know windows also got some package managers like chocolati or whatever, but I find them kind of obsolete, since they aren't officialy supported by ms, and they really feel somehow like outsiders, DK how to explain otherwise, they really feel like they aren't a part of windows, you need to configure them and all that. So yeah, linux forever! Plus, I am writing this post from ubuntu, so you can guess how much I like it.and now for some negative criticism, what I miss the most in orca is nvda-ocr, it would be damn useful for a fulltime linux user sometimes, as I need to use some windows gui programs with wine from time to time, and as wine is not accessible, an orca plugin to akt like the nvda ocr feature would be useful and, for the windows programs I need to run, more than enough.I would have written the orca pluggin myself a long time ago, had I known how to. You know, for an opensource community, orca developer documentation is pretty spars, as well as any accessibility component documentation, like speech-dispatcher or atspi. I inspected some of the source code of some orca components, and it just feels like a kind of magic in the way that...it just works! Seriously guys, this side of accessibility development on linux needs to be improved with some documentation, I hope I could do it sometime, but as I don't even understand much of what's going on, I don't think I could do so in the near future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594078/#p594078 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it @3 and @4 gave me a new hope but i'm unsure of what distro to go with, I tryed ubuntu mate and I did not really liked in some shit its not accessible at all, like in the set-up screen where I had to wait a lot of time and restarted orca a lot of time but it stil does not work properly URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/594058/#p594058 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it #It's relatively stable as long as you don't pick bleeding edge distros, or nightly builds or some suchThe file structure makes logical sense after learning itYou can do most anything through the terminal or shellIt's disk I/O makes sense. For example: moving a file to point to a new directory rather than physically moving it on diskIt's fastJust about anything you plug into a USB port will be recognized and work without fussYou have android tools like ADB and Fastboot out of the box on some distros, making it easy to connect up and work on your phone URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593965/#p593965 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@1: a daily Linux user here.my journey with this system started from pure curiosity, I had enough of Windows in sense of using it a lot, and wanted to try out something new.Thus, I've migrated to Linux.I have to say, that it has changed a lot my view on software, computers and even the world. I've found out soon, that the two systems are almost equal, when it comes to functionality.Yes, one may have slight advantages in one area, but those are compensated by disadvantages in otherones. Thus in the final view, they're almost the same.The primary difference between them lies not in what they can offer, but under what conditions.Windows is fully closed-source, commercial OS produced by a commercial company (we don't count the Win XP code leak as open-sourcing the system. )Almost all Microsoft products are closed-source too, like Word, PowerPoint, Outlook, and they are not cheap.Now, if you look at the eco-system built over Windows, you can see the same pattern over and over. There is always a company, that company develops a program, this program is sold and you have to purchase it in order to use it.Smaller programs are free from time to time, but they tend to lack the source code, so you have to trust their authors that they did not include unwanted content.In summary, Windows can be described as commercial place, where companies develop software for paying users. This is of course a bit overstated, see below.Now, Linux. Linux is a completely free and open-source operating system, or kernel of a system to be accurate, licenced under GNU GPL v2 i.e. copyleft. Copyleft is the opposite of copyright and it basically means, that you provide a source code of your application and all its components. Everyone can freely use, copy, modify and share it under condition, that they have to publish their code as well.So, copyright enforces a product to stay a property of its owner, while copyleft prevents the product from being owned by anyone. These two are thus complete opposites, and while Windows is primarily copyright based, Linux is mostly copyleft based.The ecosystem has naturally followed the opensource model and even the copyleft model, although not all open-source licenses declare it, all versions of GNU GPL do and those are quite popular.Developers of the software are often communities, working on the development in their free time. Sometimes an organization is formed to allow people to work full-time on complicated projects, such organizations get money either from sponsors or by partially commercializing their software, where all basic functionality stays free and open-source and you can purchase additional premium functions to support the project.In summary, we can describe Linux as an open world, where communities develop software for everyone, not only to consume but also improve it on their own.Of course, nothing is just black and just white, and thus, you can find a lot open-source projects for Windows as well, while there are definitely closed-source programs for Linux.But still, even 30 years after foundation of both, you can easily recognize their different backgrounds and philosophies leading their development.And as you may have already guessed, I like the Linuxone more than the Windowsone. Migration to Linux has showed me these differences. I was primarily closed-source developer before, without paying any bigger attention to licences and similar stuff.Now, all my new projects are published as open-source with carefully selected licences, and the older are not only because I am too lazy to do so. I also select software I use in a different way. I significantly prefer open-source programs, it's the first thing I check before downloading something.This search for open-source alternatives has already pointed me to many very interesting projects which I had no idea even existed, from conceptual point of view.And finally, the open-source thing also made me think more about my privacy. I for example pay much bigger attention now on whether my communication programs are end to end encrypted or not. I've thrown Skype out of window and started using Signal.I've left Gmail behind and created an account on ProtonMail.I quite like the idea of federated and decentralized services, like lemmy.ml (a federated Reddit alternative), Monero (a completely anonymous and decentralized cryptocurrency where noone knows who is paying, what is the target account and what amount is being paid) and hidden services either Tor or I2P, providing complete anonymity and untraceability for their users.So, as you can see, Linux has changed many of my views on various things. I've initially thoughd, that I will just try it out for a month or two, and will eventually return, if I encounter bigger issues.Now, I don't want to return anymore. Although I've encountered accessibility issues, and some pretty unpleasant like the unability to browse MathML formulas, I'm
Re: linux users, what do you like about it
Re: linux users, what do you like about it Hi there,@1: a daily Linux user here.my journey with this system started from pure curiosity, I had enough of Windows in sense of using it a lot, and wanted to try out something new.Thus, I've migrated to Linux.I have to say, that it has changed a lot my view on software, computers and even the world. I've found out soon, that the two systems are almost equal, when it comes to functionality.Yes, one may have slight advantages in one area, but those are compensated by disadvantages in otherones. Thus in the final view, they're almost the same.The primary difference between them lies not in what they can offer, but under what conditions.Windows is fully closed-source, commercial OS produced by a commercial company (we don't count the Win XP code leak as open-sourcing the system. )Almost all Microsoft products are closed-source too, like Word, PowerPoint, Outlook, and they are not cheap.Now, if you look at the eco-system built over Windows, you can see the same pattern over and over. There is always a company, that company develops a program, this program is sold and you have to purchase it in order to use it.Smaller programs are free from time to time, but they tend to lack the source code, so you have to trust their authors that they did not include unwanted content.In summary, Windows can be described as commercial place, where companies develop software for paying users. This is of course a bit overstated, see below.Now, Linux. Linux is a completely free and open-source operating system, or kernel of a system to be accurate, licenced under GNU GPL v2 i.e. copyleft. Copyleft is the opposite of copyright and it basically means, that you provide a source code of your application and all its components. Everyone can freely use, copy, modify and share it under condition, that they have to publish their code as well.So, copyright enforces a product to stay a property of its owner, while copyleft prevents the product from being owned by anyone. These two are thus complete opposites, and while Windows is primarily copyright based, Linux is mostly copyleft based.The ecosystem has naturally followed the opensource model and even the copyleft model, although not all open-source licenses declare it, all versions of GNU GPL do and those are quite popular.Developers of the software are often communities, working on the development in their free time. Sometimes an organization is formed to allow people to work full-time on complicated projects, such organizations get money either by sponsors, or by partially commercializing their software, where all basic functionality stays free and open-source and you can purchase additional premium functions to support the project.In summary, we can describe Linux as an open world, where communities develop software for everyone, not only to consume but also improve it on their own.Of course, nothing is just black and just white, and thus, you can find a lot open-source projects for Windows as well, while there are definitely closed-source programs for Linux.But still, even 30 years after foundation of both, you can easily recognize their different backgrounds and philosophies leading their development.And as you may have already guessed, I like the Linuxone more than the Windowsone. Migration to Linux has showed me these differences. I was primarily closed-source developer before, without paying any bigger attention to licences and similar stuff.Now, all my new projects are published as open-source with carefully selected licences, and the older are not only because I am too lazy to do so. I also select software I use in a different way. I significantly prefer open-source programs, it's the first thing I check before downloading something.This search for open-source alternatives has already pointed me to many very interesting projects which I had no idea even existed, from conceptual point of view.And finally, the open-source thing also made me think more about my privacy. I for example pay much bigger attention now on whether my communication programs are end to end encrypted or not. I've thrown Skype out of window and started using Signal.I've left Gmail behind and created an account on ProtonMail.I quite like the idea of federated and decentralized services, like lemmy.ml (a federated Reddit alternative), Monero (a completely anonymous and decentralized cryptocurrency where noone knows who is paying, what is the target account and what amount is being paid) and hidden services either Tor or I2P, providing complete anonymity and untraceability for their users.So, as you can see, Linux has changed many of my views on various things. I've initially thoughd, that I will just try it out for a month or two, and will eventually return, if I encounter bigger issues.Now, I don't want to return anymore. Although I've encountered accessibility issues, and some pretty unpleasant like the unability to browse MathML formulas, I'm not running
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Re: linux users, what do you like about it hey meatbag, i am not a linux user, but i love linux in turns of vps. it's easy to use for me for vps. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593542/#p593542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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linux users, what do you like about it hey guys, so I tryed to love linux because why not? and ended up running back into the warm arms of windows, because nothing is speshil in linux, not to say that most things require extra efert to set-up while windows is just right there, so linux users, what you really like linux for URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/593492/#p593492 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
