[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 Breakin?
GregF Wrote: Well, I suppose I could have done that. I posted because 1) I was seeking other people's experience and 2) I hadn't found another thread like it. I'm a long way from disgusted and if it came across that way, I apologize. I was just hoping for someone to say, yeah mine sounded that way for the first few days too, don't worry about it. Mine sounded that way for the first few days too. Don't worry about it! -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22176 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
ezkcdude Wrote: And the beat goes on...Switching supplies get such a bad rap here. Yes, many of them don't supply very clean power, but they can be done right. To automatically assume a switching power supply sucks is just plain old audiosnobbery. The problem might be what the SMPS does to the rest of the system, rather than the actual supply to the SB. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
i'm of the opinion that whilst jitter and digital domain signal transmission are important, once you get jitter under 200ps then you effectively have that sorted and you start to hit the 'diminishing returns' wall. of far more importance is the nature of the digital filters and analogue output stage. of course as an audiophile i have nothing objective to back this opinion up with just the observation that those cd players / dacs that pay a lot of attention to digital filtering and the analogue output stage seem to sound better (to my ears) than those that don;t (i'm talking multiple power regulation, massive power transformers, funky 'audiophile' components, etc.) even if the 2 players compared use the same transport mechanisms and dac chips - which to be honest below a certain price most do (phillips transport and burr brown or crystal dacs)of course i'm also of the opinion that 1 bit dacs and delta sigma decoding are the work of beelzebub so what do i know... cheers julian -- julian2002 julian2002's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lossless WMA
there has also been discussion on some audio boards that a copy of a cd can sometimes sound better than the original. vartious theorys exist for this but my favourite involves dithering due to an inacurate copy process. -- julian2002 julian2002's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22141 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
ezkcdude Wrote: I'm sticking with my sub-$300 NOS DAC for now ;) What you dont want a $1000 power cord to give your vocals more more air and naturalness. ;) I mean you know your power cord is sub par if it is not double cryo dipped! Do people really buy into the crap? I will give you that a linear power supply will help with the DAC, however the power cord wont do jack. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
m1abrams Wrote: What you dont want a $1000 power cord to give your vocals more more air and naturalness. ;) I mean you know your power cord is sub par if it is not double cryo dipped! Do people really buy into the crap? I will give you that a linear power supply will help with the DAC, however the power cord wont do jack. Well, my DAC has a DC input like the SqueezeBox. So, there's no need for $1000 cord. Otherwise, I'm sure I would go for it ;) -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
ezkcdude Wrote: Well, my DAC has a DC input like the SqueezeBox. So, there's no need for $1000 cord. Otherwise, I'm sure I would go for it ;) What is the biggest difference using the NOS dac, compared to the analog output of the SB? PRAT? Dynamics? Imaging? Just curious, as I read that another member prefers the sound of the SB DAC to his audio mirror NOS DAC (can't remember which member, or if it was a daydream). -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 Breakin?
P Floding Wrote: Mine sounded that way for the first few days too. Don't worry about it! OK, then. I'll obsess about something else for a while. Thanks all. -- GregF GregF's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4384 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22176 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
I see...I have a pretty good idea of who you are, and that you are a troll from the regonaudio forum. Think Robert woul recommend Bel Canto? Really? Quite to the contrary. And ACI subs? And a Rane EQ when he recommend TacT (very, very expensive) or plain jane analogue EQs? Wow, you are so off base, it's not even funny. Whatever. I have a terrific system and you need an attitude check. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
PS, In case anyone is interested: Robert Greene, among others, has reviewed the Harbeth M40 in glowing terms. Is it one of the best speakers out there? Yes. Is it the best? No, of course not, because now we get into questions of taste, room, needs, etc. A Dali Megaline, which is arguably amongst the very, very best -- it is scary good -- would not work in a 12x12 room. However, I have owned speakers ranging from Dali (the Grands), Von Schweikerts, Spendor, Quad ESL-988 and 989s. For my needs and tastes, the Harbeth is easily the more engaging, tonally pure speaker. Quads image better, of course, if set up properly and if you sit in just the right spot. Harbeths are easier to position and have a warmth and rightness to the midrange that beat the Quads. Apples, oranges. So, this is what I find bizarre about Dan's comments: first, we have no idea what he uses; second, if someone OTHER than Dan recommends a component, it must, perforce, be a bad component and the user must be a dupe. Of course, Dan, who hasn't been reviewing speakers on a weekly basis for twenty years, who has no formal training in acoustics, no PhD in mathematics, who is not a recorded musician and engineer for well-received classical recordings, etc., certainly knows better. Again, I just fail -- utterly -- to understand people who insist on baiting and insulting strangers. When that person has no legs on stand on other than his sarcasm, snootiness, and financial agenda, well, it is even worse. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lossless WMA
julian2002 Wrote: there has also been discussion on some audio boards that a copy of a cd can sometimes sound better than the original. vartious theorys exist for this but my favourite involves dithering due to an inacurate copy process. I would be willing to believe that a flac file ripped with EAC and played through a Squeezebox could sound better than a CD played in a CD player simply because the variables involved with the CD player transport have been eliminated. -- nelamvr6 nelamvr6's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22141 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
2006-03-17-13:36:17 highdudgeon: Of course, Dan, who hasn't been reviewing speakers on a weekly basis for twenty years, who has no formal training in acoustics, no PhD in mathematics, who is not a recorded musician and engineer for well-received classical recordings, etc., certainly knows better. H'mm. I just know I'll regret stepping in here, but somehow I can't help it... I hate it when people seem to need to get snippy, and I understand your reaction; but for what it's worth, if this is the same Maui Dan I've encountered before, he's a fellow with very good ears and a knack for coming up with well-engineered but reasonable-cost ways to make excellent equipment sound even better. He's come up with some significant drop-in improvements for TacT gear; when I finally followed up on his recommendations of Running Springs power conditioners I wished I'd done it long before, before I'd invested so much in Shunyata devices; and of course since he seems to share my enthusiasm for Audience AU24 interconnects he must be a man of discernment :-). ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC
Hi! Well, I'm very pleased with my SB3. For the price, it is unbeatable. However, I would have loved an SB3 audiophile version which could be slaved to a word clock and with balanced digital output (AES-EBU). The PSU could possibly be upgraded but that is not as critical as long as we are still in the digital domain and if we have clock sync to the rest of the system. Obviously I don't care about the DAC - an audiophile version SB could be completely without DAC. I have a dCS system (Verdi transport, Delius DAC and a Purcell upsampler) and I have found myself using the SB3 (via upsampling) about 95% of the time. The difference is rather small compared to a CD from the Verdi (but then again, loading it with an SACD is a pretty large difference so I can't get rid of the transport yet). Anyway - I don't think Slim Devices will ever cater for the audiophiles (any further). They have done a good job for the mass market and it is even borderline high-end quality. So - I've just started a project with a media server PC. I've just bought a Lynx Two soundcard (which has word clock, AES-EBU in/out etc). Unfortunately that means I need something to put it in - i.e. a computer next to the stereo. So I found the Zalman TNN300 (Totally No Noise) - a fanless PC chassis. I will simply design a PC with this and the soundcard as a base. I was delighted to find that you could simply synchronise 2 SqueezeBoxes, so I can slave a SoftSqueeze to the physical SB3. That means I can still use the SB3 and the remote to control the music - but in fact it is the SoftSqueeze and the professional sound card that will be connected to the hifi, SB3 will only be the interface. By servicing the SoftSqueeze (i.e. using one of many programs to convert SoftSqueeze into a windows service) I can get it to start automatically so I never need to log on to the media server (don't like Windows here, but the Lynx hasn't got Linux drivers). This will cost around $2000-3000 to implement and that is basically the cost of getting a word clock and balanced interconnection to the SB3. OK, I'll get the spin-off of using the same server for video to our TV so it isn't too bad. It is all much cheaper than a high end transport anyway so I don't complain. It's just a pity they couldn't put the right gear into the SB3 from scratch, that would cost only a fraction of this. But I accept the mass market thing...SB3 is still the neatest interface I've seen and I will use it as that (only). -- CarlOtto CarlOtto's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3581 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC
Why go to all this trouble for such a seemingly small amount of improvement? I understand spending a lot on speakers and even amplifiers, but to spend that much money on the dCS gear? I just don't see how it is justified, unless you're so loaded that it doesn't really matter. Is it only for SACD's? -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Skunk Wrote: What exactly is your point? I thought my statement was fairly transparent. Simply the fact that a power supply is linear does not necessarily make it a good one, nor does it necessarily make it better than any switching supply. What part of that is not clear? -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
Skunk Wrote: What is the biggest difference using the NOS dac, compared to the analog output of the SB? PRAT? Dynamics? Imaging? Just curious, as I read that another member prefers the sound of the SB DAC to his audio mirror NOS DAC (can't remember which member, or if it was a daydream). Let me say this. After finally upgrading my amp last week, after which I noticed a huge difference in sound, it made me realize the DAC does not make nearly as much a difference. I do feel the NOS DAC has a slightly less fatiguing sound, maybe a little more laid back, with a little more slam in the bass. But those differences pale in comparison to the difference with my new amp. Therefore, to my mind, it make more sense to spend the bulk of my money on a better amp and speakers, and then perhaps, worry about the DAC later, if the sound still leaves something to be desired (of course, I didn't do it this way and hindsight is 20/20 etc). To put it another way, I was missing something before I got the DAC. The DAC did not fix it, so I was still searching for that missing thing. With the new amp, I feel like I found it. I am content now. I could go on listening to my current system forever (I think) without a burning desire to upgrade again. Now, I don't want anyone to think I'm saying that it is specifically Parasound amps that are so great. Rather, it is probably the case that there is some threshold above which an amp can be really good, and you can hear a tremendous improvement. Once you get an amp above that threshold, and similarly speakers above a certain level, I'm sure the DAC makes an additional improvement, but not nearl as much. If I had to make a pie chart of how much each component contributes to the sound, my guess after my recent upgrades is it would go something like this (assuming no pre-amp): speakers: 65% amp: 25% DAC/source: 10% So, in the future, I will allocate my resources accordingly. For example, if I were given (or earned, I suppose) $10,000, I would spend $6500 on speakers, $2,500 on amplification, and $1000 on a source/DAC. -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Jeff, I'm not saying that Dan is always like this -- and, surely, he knows quite a bit about TacT equipment. Cables, of course, are a matter of personal taste and philosophy :) Having said that, Dan has a well-earned reputation for being a contrarian and someone who takes delight in baiting, insulting, putting people down, and otherwise harassing those who do not share his views. For this reason, he was booted off of Robert Greene's audio forum, much to the relief of others. Some people just let, well, something go to their heads when they can hide behind the veil of email and web forums and willy-nilly mistreat others. In real life, a lot of these people are, I suspect, rather demure and insecure. Invisibility brings out their bravado. Anyway, look at the style and substance of his posts to and about me. Bear in mind that I played no small part, along with half a dozen others that I know, in getting him booted off that forum for bad behavior. Can you say resentment? I sure can! Anyhoo, no flames from me and I do appreciate your input. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC
CarlOtto Wrote: Well, I'm very pleased with my SB3. For the price, it is unbeatable. However, I would have loved an SB3 audiophile version which could be slaved to a word clock If you don't want to do your own word clock mod (e.g. a simple way to do it is to take an Apogee Big Ben and use it to generate a 256x superclock in place of the SB's oscillator) the folks at http://www.db-system.ms/ do a word clock input for the SB - do a search on the posts of Michel Fombellida. Mike -- reeve_mike reeve_mike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
ezkcdude Wrote: I thought my statement was fairly transparent. Simply the fact that a power supply is linear does not necessarily make it a good one, nor does it necessarily make it better than any switching supply. What part of that is not clear? A I got the ball rolling on this one, I can try an answer... Whether a powersupply is linear or switching does not imply quality or the lack of it. You are right there. The reason I am sceptical to switching powersupplies in an audio setting, is in the way they work. Switching power supplies chops up AC to a higher frequency so it can use a small transformer. This is usually done to save costs or space (linear PSU needs larger transformer that are expensive and heavy). So what? you may ask. A badly designed linear PSU will introduce ripple into your sound system (50 or 60Hz) as it doesn't have adequate filtering. But that's it, and it is cheap to filter out. A switching powersupply will add a high frequency noise in addition, so you need to filter both the 50Hz (or 60Hz) and the high frequency introduced with the switching technology. As an example: I have experienced more than once that switching PSU's have ruined FM reception when I have had a switching PSU close to my FM tuner. So basically, my experience with switching PSU's are that they don't belong with quality audio equipment. Hope that this did clear up a few points. Tom -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
ezkcdude wrote: speakers: 65% amp: 25% DAC/source: 10% So, in the future, I will allocate my resources accordingly. For example, if I were given (or earned, I suppose) $10,000, I would spend $6500 on speakers, $2,500 on amplification, and $1000 on a source/DAC. It is interesting how the concept of the 70s and early 80s, that if an amp measured the same, it sounded the same has been discarded by audiophiles and even normal serious listeners this century. I take that to mean that the measurements are missing something, maybe not measuring the right thing. Another serious thing to consider is room acoustics, speaker placement, listerner placement, etc. They have a huge impact. And placement changes are free. However, there is a problem, in that the optimal positions for most setups have a totally unacceptable WAF. And room acoustic treatments are much more effective and cost effective than they are in the WAF department. But if you can swing the WAF, you can put, say, $2K into room treatment and only need to spend $3K on speakers, saving some money to increase the WAF with some nice resturant dinners. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
ezkcdude Wrote: speakers: 65% amp: 25% DAC/source: 10% Interesting numbers. The last few times I have been to Hi-Fi shows, there have been many who say that you need to spend a lot of money on the source (CD-transport, DAC, etc.). Their argument is that the the end result cannot be better than the source... I don't have a DAC, and my numbers are somewhat different: speakers: 40% amp: 40% source (SB2): 11.7% cables: 7.3% I have tested an Elektrocompaniet DAC (ECD-1) which costs the same as my speakers, and the improvement was amazing. I am not sure if buying a set of speakers costing twice as my current kit will give me the same improvement. Tom -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
ezkcdude Wrote: What part of that is not clear? Where the comment even came from, considering this discussion was about powering a squeezebox. Of course an SMPS is ok for charging your cellphone, but what's that got to do with this conversation? Thinking SMPS's are bad for all applications is not audiosnobbery, it's stupidity. Why state the obvious? Surely you weren't advocating thier use in audio electronics? So I'll ask again, what is your point- in relation to the topic at hand. Are SMPS's bad for the SB? Have you hooked a good regulated linear one up to it? Or are you just playing engineer on TV. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Skunk wrote: Of course an SMPS is ok for charging your cellphone, but what's that got to do with this conversation? Thinking SMPS's are bad for all applications is not audiosnobbery, it's stupidity. Why state the obvious? Surely you weren't advocating thier use in audio electronics? Erm, the std. power supply that ships with the Squeezebox is a switcher. So I'll ask again, what is your point- in relation to the topic at hand. Are SMPS's bad for the SB? Have you hooked a good regulated linear one up to it? Or are you just playing engineer on TV. Sheesh, this group is really deteriorating into a *proper* audiophile community! R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
tomsi42 Wrote: The reason we don't recommend a PC powersupply, is because it is a switching powersupply. And they all are (or at least 99.99% of them). It is the only way to get 300-500 Watts of power from such a small enclosure. If you ever have opened a PC powersupply, you will notice that the transformer is tiny, it contains lot of electronics, and the remainder is heat sinks. Look at the powersupply of a typical 2x200W power amplifier, and the transformer is huge, weighing a few kilo's! I was referring to this post. -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
reeve_mike Wrote: Some consider this not to be the case ... ... http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/ And http://www.stereophile.com/solidpoweramps/306chord/index.html [P.S. I'm not a Chord owner and I don't intend to become one so I have no particular axe to grind, it's just that in area as subjective as audio seeing an absolute always troubles me ... :-O] Thanks for the info. It was interesting to read the stereophile article to see how Chord implements a switching PSU in a audiohile setting. Of course at $75000 for a pair of the SMP 14000 amplifiers, it isn't cheap. Note that the PSU is heavily filtered, multiply rectified - this is quite different from the stock SB powersupply and the typical $30 PC PSU I have been talking about. -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
reeve_mike Wrote: Some consider this not to be the case ... ... http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/ And http://www.stereophile.com/solidpoweramps/306chord/index.html While the power supply in the chord amp is enviable, it's not a good comparison in the context of this discussion. That switching supply is in a $75,000 amp. Which is audiosnobbery, buying a $75,000 amp with aerospace designed PS, or getting a surplus linear for $10 that will beat any SMPS you can purchase off the shelf? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Please keep the flame war under control here. The forums are here for people to discuss things related to audio and Squeezeboxen, not be derogatory towards eachother. Thank you. - Kevin Pearsall Customer Support Manager Slim Devices Inc. -- kevin kevin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
tomsi42 Wrote: Note that the PSU is heavily filtered, multiply rectified - this is quite different from the stock SB powersupply ... Which is why I (like you I presume) have linears on my SBs :-) -- reeve_mike reeve_mike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
Like I said, it's all about getting above a certain threshold. Maybe it's just like with computer programming in that you keep improving components one at a time until you remove most of the bottlenecks, which in this case, represent signal degradation. Perhaps, now that my amp is up to snuff, I would be able to hear more of a difference due to the source, but I'd probably go out and buy or DIY even better speakers before I get a new DAC. That said, I'm still not using the balanced interconnects on my amp, so there is room for change, but my DAC only has unbalanced outs. That upgrade will have to wait for another day, and for me to get a higher paying job. -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
ezkcdude Wrote: I don't see any reason to get all heated up about it. I wasn't really getting heated up yet. Refering to that post in the context you did kind made it seem wrong to say 'a computers PS would be not ideal'. I thought he wrote a good response... Can you provide a link to a suitable switching power supply that would equal any regulated linear's performance? What about one with voltage sense? Sorry to be shrill, but if you'd provide some viable alternatives to back up the theory I'd be all ears. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Is something like this a viable PS? I'm obviously coming from a place of not knowing this stuff. http://www.westcoastmall.net/shop/product_info.php?products_id=916 -- lawther lawther's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4597 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Skunk Wrote: While the power supply in the chord amp is enviable, it's not a good comparison in the context of this discussion. That switching supply is in a $75,000 amp. Which is audiosnobbery, buying a $75,000 amp with aerospace designed PS, or getting a surplus linear for $10 that will beat any SMPS you can purchase off the shelf? I wasn't intentionally trying to offend anyone, but I apologize post-haste. I was just trying to correct a rather broad assertion, that just because the power supply is switching, it must necessarily suck. -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
reeve_mike Wrote: Which is why I (like you I presume) have linears on my SBs :-) Indeed... I didn't wan't to start a big flamewar. I don't have a problem with Slimdevices choice. It is just nice to know that using another $50-$100 to change a great product to a very great one! Tom -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Skunk Wrote: Can you provide a link to a suitable switching power supply that would equal any regulated linear's performance? What about one with voltage sense? Sorry to be shrill, but if you'd provide some viable alternatives to back up the theory I'd be all ears. As for that, I'm not sure this is even possible. What exactly would your criteria be? A comparison of how my system sounds with different power supplies or actual measurements? Since nobody can really equate measurements with sound preferences, and everyone has different preferences, anyway, isn't this whole argument subjective? Gosh, I have a linear supply for my SB3 that I got only because of this forum. Do I hear any difference? No. Do I regret getting it? No, not really. It was relatively cheap, and worth a try. You guys may have better ears than me, I can't say. All I know is that it is ludicrous to assume all linear supplies are inherently superior (in terms of audio quality) based upon some ideas that you may have gotten from various forums. Do YOU have objective proof of this? -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Robin Bowes Wrote: Erm, the std. power supply that ships with the Squeezebox is a switcher. And? Haven't you investigated replacing it with a linear? Why? Because it's not ideal feeding the SB. Did I miss your point too? -Robin Bowes Wrote: Sheesh, this group is really deteriorating into a *proper* audiophile community! R. Yeah, right over my head, that one... Can you come up with a more pointed display of wit next time? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC
reeve_mike Wrote: If you don't want to do your own word clock mod [e.g. a simple way is to take an Apogee Big Ben and use it to generate a 256x superclock (synced from the dcs stack) in place of the SB's oscillator] And of course, if you are willing to use the SB's oscillator, you can use the Big Ben to derive a word clock from the SB's output (by passing it through the Big Ben on the way from the SB to the Purcell) and then use the word clock outputs of the Big Ben to clock the Purcell and the Delius - this way you don't need to 'pop the lid' of your SB. -- reeve_mike reeve_mike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
lawther Wrote: Is something like this a viable PS? I'm obviously coming from a place of not knowing this stuff. http://www.westcoastmall.net/shop/product_info.php?products_id=916 Ouch! You wouldn't want that. It's a 12V not 5V. It woild fry your squeezebox. You should look for a 5V (V = Volt) PSU. Should be 1.5A or more (A = Ampere). The squeezebox uses about 1A at the peaks, but an engineering principle says that you should use a PSU that is capable of the double of your need. Note that the Voltage must be an absolute; the amperage of the PSU can be larger. Tom -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
ezkcdude Wrote: Like I said, it's all about getting above a certain threshold. Maybe it's just like with computer programming in that you keep improving components one at a time until you remove most of the bottlenecks, which in this case, represent signal degradation. Perhaps, now that my amp is up to snuff, I would be able to hear more of a difference due to the source, but I'd probably go out and buy or DIY even better speakers before I get a new DAC. That said, I'm still not using the balanced interconnects on my amp, so there is room for change, but my DAC only has unbalanced outs. That upgrade will have to wait for another day, and for me to get a higher paying job. Yes, that makes sense. As I don't have large sums to spend, I have to improve my kit in as small sums as possible (That explains the cable expenses). For me, I think a DAC is the next stage. -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Skunk wrote: Robin Bowes Wrote: Erm, the std. power supply that ships with the Squeezebox is a switcher. And? Haven't you investigated replacing it with a linear? Why? Because it's not ideal feeding the SB. Did I miss your point too? I've looked into getting a linear supply because: a. I'm an inveterate twiddler with a background in electronics b. I'm interested to see if it does make an audible difference on my system c. They're cheap I am in no way unhappy with the sound of my stock SB3. That doesn't stop me experimenting with external DACs, regulated power supplies, etc. (see a.) You said: Where the comment even came from, considering this discussion was about powering a squeezebox. Of course an SMPS is ok for charging your cellphone, but what's that got to do with this conversation? Thinking SMPS's are bad for all applications is not audiosnobbery, it's stupidity. Why state the obvious? Surely you weren't advocating thier use in audio electronics? I was pointing out that the standard SB PSU is a switcher. And switching PS circuitry is used internally within the SB2/3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are those who think that the stock SB sounds pretty damn good. So it seems a little strange to suggest that it is wrong to advocate the use of switching PSUs in audio electronics. -Robin Bowes Wrote: Sheesh, this group is really deteriorating into a *proper* audiophile community! R. Yeah, right over my head, that one... Can you come up with a more pointed display of wit next time? Easy tiger. That comment was an observation regarding the general tone of several threads in this list/forum recently. Since I posted that, there has been an official request to tone it down, so I don't think I was far off the mark. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
ezkcdude Wrote: Like I said, it's all about getting above a certain threshold. Maybe it's just like with computer programming in that you keep improving components one at a time until you remove most of the bottlenecks, which in this case, represent signal degradation. Perhaps, now that my amp is up to snuff, I would be able to hear more of a difference due to the source, but I'd probably go out and buy or DIY even better speakers before I get a new DAC. That said, I'm still not using the balanced interconnects on my amp, so there is room for change, but my DAC only has unbalanced outs. That upgrade will have to wait for another day, and for me to get a higher paying job. Equipment is important, but attention to detail sometimes makes an even bigger difference. Or perhaps I should say a more important difference. In my experience an expensive system that is good on paper can have problems sounding its best unless all connectors are in very good shape. I used to clean all contacts at least every month, but deteriation unfortunately happened in a matter of days. I got lazy and started to settle for cleaning by removing and reattaching connectors. The effects of cleaning was usually dramatic, but the magic didn't last many days. I now use SST (Super Silver Treatment), which gives better effect than I used to get by cleaning, and seems to last much longer without any maintenance. I have no affiliation with the SST-manufacturer. P.S: I believe a lot of the upgrade-mania is driven by deteriation in connectors making the system perform badly. Symptoms to look out for include: Systems sounds good after hooking up things afresh, but with time the fun of listening goes out the window, and listening becomes more of an effort. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
ezkcdude Wrote: As for that, I'm not sure this is even possible. What exactly would your criteria be? A comparison of how my system sounds with different power supplies or actual measurements? Since nobody can really equate measurements with sound preferences, and everyone has different preferences, anyway, isn't this whole argument subjective? Gosh, I have a linear supply for my SB3 that I got only because of this forum. Do I hear any difference? No. Do I regret getting it? No, not really. It was relatively cheap, and worth a try. You guys may have better ears than me, I can't say. All I know is that it is ludicrous to assume all linear supplies are inherently superior (in terms of audio quality) based upon some ideas that you may have gotten from various forums. Do YOU have objective proof of this? No objective proof, just ideas from various forums- including this one. Linear supplies for digital sources tend to be recommended over SMPS. I don't have the equipment to prove anyone wrong, so I go with the flow. You, on the other hand, seem to want to go against the flow, but with no recommendations. I would say you have the burden of proof in this case. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Robin Bowes Wrote: Easy tiger. That comment was an observation regarding the general tone of several threads in this list/forum recently. Since I posted that, there has been an official request to tone it down, so I don't think I was far off the mark. R. No problem. It was directed at me though, not recent posts- so no wonder it made little sense. Why didn't you just start a new ranting thread? Happy St. Pattys day. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply upgrade results (by ear)
Slim Devices say they listened to audiophiles to bring the performance of the SB to it's current level. With all this talk about power supplies, I wonder if they'll investigate it further. Perhaps a poll of our unscientific findings will play a part in the decision to investigate. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22204 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade results (by ear)
Skunk Wrote: Slim Devices say they listened to audiophiles to bring the performance of the SB to it's current level. With all this talk about power supplies, I wonder if they'll investigate it further. Perhaps a poll of our unscientific findings will play a part in the decision to investigate. I agree. For me, it is ok that Slimdevices deliver the SBx with the PSU that they have toady. But they should sell a linear one to us freaks as an option. Tom -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22204 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Thanks for the refereeing, Kevin -- as always, from your technical assistance to more personal matters, your input is greatly valued. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Jeff Moore Wrote: 2006-03-17-13:36:17 highdudgeon: Of course, Dan, who hasn't been reviewing speakers on a weekly basis for twenty years, who has no formal training in acoustics, no PhD in mathematics, who is not a recorded musician and engineer for well-received classical recordings, etc., certainly knows better. H'mm. I just know I'll regret stepping in here, but somehow I can't help it... I hate it when people seem to need to get snippy, and I understand your reaction; but for what it's worth, if this is the same Maui Dan I've encountered before, he's a fellow with very good ears and a knack for coming up with well-engineered but reasonable-cost ways to make excellent equipment sound even better. He's come up with some significant drop-in improvements for TacT gear; when I finally followed up on his recommendations of Running Springs power conditioners I wished I'd done it long before, before I'd invested so much in Shunyata devices; and of course since he seems to share my enthusiasm for Audience AU24 interconnects he must be a man of discernment :-). Jeff, Mahalo for your kind words. Dan -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
On 06/03/17 14 27, Skunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ezkcdude Wrote: What part of that is not clear? Where the comment even came from, considering this discussion was about powering a squeezebox. Of course an SMPS is ok for charging your cellphone, but what's that got to do with this conversation? Thinking SMPS's are bad for all applications is not audiosnobbery, it's stupidity. Why state the obvious? Surely you weren't advocating thier use in audio electronics? So I'll ask again, what is your point- in relation to the topic at hand. Are SMPS's bad for the SB? Have you hooked a good regulated linear one up to it? Or are you just playing engineer on TV. I hesitate to wade into the linear versus switch mode power supply fray, not having the physics/EE background, but I can't refrain from noting that in the world of Linn enthusiasts, the later switch mode power supplies (Brilliant SMPS) seem to be typically rated as sounding much better than the earlier linear power supplies (in otherwise similar components such as preamps). (I have never made any comparison though.) It would seem that there are SMPSs and SMPSs... CR ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Let's see...ahem. Okay, now that everyone has read the entire thread: Who started this? Who began with the insults, baiting, teasing whatever? That's right. Dan himself. Lord, may he get a life. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Skunk Wrote: No objective proof, just ideas from various forums- including this one. Linear supplies for digital sources tend to be recommended over SMPS. I don't have the equipment to prove anyone wrong, so I go with the flow. You, on the other hand, seem to want to go against the flow, but with no recommendations. I would say you have the burden of proof in this case. Do I have the burden to prove God does not exist? That'll be tough! It's very hard to prove a negative. As a scientist, that is something I DO know about. In this case the logical null hypothesis is: There is no difference between linear and switching supplies in terms of audio quality. Therefore, my friend, it is YOU that has the burden of proof. -- ezkcdude SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
highdudgeon Wrote: Let's see...ahem. Okay, now that everyone has read the entire thread: Who started this? Who began with the insults, baiting, teasing whatever? Kind words indeed. All the more so to be so humble after jumping in out of the blue and lavishing sarcasm, snootiness, and personal vendetta against a de facto stranger. That's right. Dan himself. Kind words aside, I have known few people who have managed to get themselves thrown off a forum for exactly the arrogant and abrasive behavior shown here. Kicked off a forum for being rude, and, it seems, resentful of it. Point, set, match. Now, back to audio. As before, Dan, I put it to you that it is best for you simply to resist your inner urges and not reply to any of my posts. I will likewise do the same. You don't like me, I don't like you, we don't respect each other. The better part of valor, then, would be to avoid each other, not step into conversations, etc. Got it? Is this hard to grasp?Mahalo. Please keep the flame war under control here. The forums are here for people to discuss things related to audio and Squeezeboxen, not be derogatory towards eachother.Thank you. - Kevin Pearsall,Customer Support Manager,Slim Devices Inc. Kevin- Thought you asked for the flames to stop? -- mauidan mauidan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1679 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
