Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Another REL. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "Too loud", "too quiet" opinions: what are the factors?
I've never found ReplayGain to really do an adequate job of adjusting volume so that I never had to adjust the volume of music playing randomly. Older CDs, especially, before the loudness wars and the massive compression employed in later releases, are still noticeably quieter. IMO, the only way to "fix" the problem would be to employ some kind of additional compression during the music playback, like they do with radio station broadcasts. Or perhaps there could be some kind of pre-processing you could that would modify the audio files in the library and accomplish the same thing. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107617 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter SE does not play from digital inputs
jazzman53 wrote: > If that's true then you've just explained the problem. I'm using the > TP's Toslink output (exclusively) into a Behringer DEQ2496 and then > digital AES cable into a Behringer DCX2496 crossover-- the objective > being to limit the number of D/A conversions in the signal path to just > one; coming out of the DCX to the amps. The whole idea behind the digital inputs is to be able to use the Transporter as a DAC. With volume control, if desired. Why wouldn't you have just run the CD player's digital out directly into the Behringer? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106893 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Managing Loudness in a Music Library
I add ReplayGain tags to all FLAC files, but use it only for background listening. It's not terrible, but it's far from perfect. I find that I still need to adjust volume levels occasionally. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106423 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For Sale: Transport fully modded Modwright Platinum Signature
StephenPG wrote: > So come up with some reasonable arguments instead of all the name > calling? What the fuck is wrong you you people?? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For Sale: Transport fully modded Modwright Platinum Signature
Note that no discussion has taken place, despite the trolling from the usual idiots. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For Sale: Transport fully modded Modwright Platinum Signature
Julf wrote: > "Thread crapping" seems to be a favourite term among a certain crowd > that don't like their faith to be questioned - a mild form of "if you > run out of reasonable arguments, at least try to discredit your opponent > somehow". This wasn't an audio discussion, you moron -- it was a "For Sale". "Thread crapping" is one of the kinder things I could call it. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For Sale: Transport fully modded Modwright Platinum Signature
Thread crapping at its finest. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For Sale: Transport fully modded Modwright Platinum Signature
Boy, you just gotta love the thread crapping. Unbelievable. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Mnyb wrote: No i think this forum shall remain . It's one the few where squeezeboxes and audio can be discussed together . Except that they are not. EVER. Nuke it. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: Indeed! But why not close this section? Does it serve any purpose other than bandwidth wastage? That's exactly how I feel. These people should go post in the Hydrogen Audio forums. Where everyone knows everything sounds the same. This forum should have been closed a long time ago. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC internal Noise reduction products
This audiophile forum has been a joke for a long time. And now here comes Arny. Figures. Like a fly to shit. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103683 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Music Systems - track limits!?
Archimago wrote: I'm impressed again at the power and flexibility of the Squeezebox/LMS system! It's pretty simple, really. There's a big difference between systems with servers running (mostly) on general purpose computers rather than having software running on the limited, low power hardware contained in many devices. It's exactly the same problem that Logitech ran in to when it misread the ability of the Touch to run Squeezebox Server. That's a big reason why those systems are often limited in library sizes. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103488 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hires AIFF files greater than 24/96, best way to playback on Transporter?
markiii wrote: there is an argument that sending PCM already decoded is less work on the player CPU though it is more work for the server and burns more network bandwidth There is an option to send FLAC as PCM so why not AIFF? What would be the point? The only difference between PCM and AIFF is the byte order (endianness). Both are uncompressed and the data is identical. I think the reason behind offering both PCM and AIFF streaming options for FLAC and Ogg may have to do with legacy player compatibility. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102893 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hires AIFF files greater than 24/96, best way to playback on Transporter?
Which Squeezebox player and which version of LMS are you using? Sounds like this bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17163 If I'm reading the bug report correctly, I think it's saying that the bug is fixed in 7.9. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102893 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hires AIFF files greater than 24/96, best way to playback on Transporter?
I just tested this on my system and it works OK. Playing to a Transporter, firmware 87, with LMS 7.9. In Settings Advanced Logging I set '(player.source) - Player Source Audio Conversion Logging' to Info. In the server.log I see the following lines (search for the word 'Tokenized') Code: [15-01-12 06:30:12.2430] Slim::Player::Song::open (558) Tokenized command: C:\Program Files (x86)\Logitech Media Server 7.9 Test\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\flac.exe -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0 -- D:\Audio - Test\AIFF\Ray Anderson\Blues Bred in the Bone\01 Blues Bred In The Bone.aif | C:\Program Files (x86)\Logitech Media Server 7.9 Test\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\sox.exe -q -t flac - -t flac -C 0 - | [15-01-12 06:32:43.2845] Slim::Player::Song::open (558) Tokenized command: C:\Program Files (x86)\Logitech Media Server 7.9 Test\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\flac.exe -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0 -- D:\Audio - Test\AIFF\Red Hot Chili Peppers\Freaky Styley [24-192]\01 Jungle Man.aif | C:\Program Files (x86)\Logitech Media Server 7.9 Test\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\sox.exe -q -t flac - -t flac -C 0 -r 96000 - | The first entry is playing a standard redbook CD track at 16/44.1. You can see that the AIFF file is streamed to the Transporter as FLAC. The second entry is playing a 24/192 file. It too gets streamed as FLAC, but it's resampled at 96k. Did you by any chance disable the default conversion of AIFF to FLAC in Settings Advanced File Types? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102893 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hires AIFF files greater than 24/96, best way to playback on Transporter?
Ok. I see the same thing if I disable the streaming of AIFF as FLAC in the file settings. The 16/44.1 file plays fine, but the 24/192 file generates an 'Unsupported sample-rate' error. If you really must stream AIFF natively, there may be a way to tackle the problem by using custom-convert.conf, but I'm not sure. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102893 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hires AIFF files greater than 24/96, best way to playback on Transporter?
Gazjam wrote: Is there a way I can confirm conversion to flac is being done on the server and not the Transporter? Like I mentioned above, enable debugging for player.source by setting the level to Info. Then view the server.log file. (You can either open the log file in a text editor or view it through the web interface by going to Setting Information, and use one of the links near the bottom of the page.) Look for the lines containing 'Tokenized'. With FLAC transcoding disabled there wont' be any, but there will if you re-enable it. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102893 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hires AIFF files greater than 24/96, best way to playback on Transporter?
I actually played with this for several hours today, but couldn't get it
to work correctly for the hi-res AIFF files. I was testing with a 24/192
album from hdtracks (I used dbpoweramp to transcode the FLAC from
hdtracks into AIFF), as well as a small library of 16/44.1 AIFF.
Invariably, if I got the 24/192 file to play something other than white
noise, it played at what sounded like 1/2 speed (also very tubby
sounding, with loud bass).
This was using rules placed in custom-convert.conf (which needs to be
located in the same folder as convert.conf). No need to modify
convert.conf. If a rule exists in both convert.conf and
custom-convert.conf, the one in custom-convert.conf will override the
former.
The standard rule for AIFF is just:
Code:
aif aif * *
-
Which means do nothing to the stream, although I think the server may
strip the header from of the AIFF file before streaming. The reason LMS
refuses to use the rule for hi-res is that it knows the Transporter
can't handle 24/192 and there needs to be means of resampling in the
rule. Since there isn't one, it just doesn't play the file.
So I tried variations on rules like this:
Code:
aif aif * *
# FD:{RESAMPLE=-r %d}
[sox] -q -t aif $FILE$ -t raw $RESAMPLE$ -c 2 -s -B -
This transcodes AIFF to what is essentially AIFF without the header. The
-B keeps it big-endian, which AIFF uses. If you use AIFF output (-t aif
instead of -t raw) then you hear a tick at the start of every file, as
the player attempts to play the header as part of the music stream.
The -t arguments to SoX tell it what kind of input file to expect, and
what type of file to produce as output. It's capable of processing and
transcoding many different audio formats. The input designation may not
strictly be necessary here, as SoX can usually figure out the input file
type from the file's headers.
Code:
-q: quiet mode
-t aif: the input audio is AIFF
$FILE$: full path of the input file
-t raw: produce a headerless raw data stream as output
$RESAMPE$ : expanded resample rule from the line above (should end up being
-r 96000 when playing the 24/192 file)
-c 2 : produce 2 channel output
-s: use signed-integer encoding
-B: output big-endian byte-order
- : send the output to stdout, which is what LMS expects
Run sox --help to get a full usage explanation.
You _can_ set up a PCM rule in custom-convert.conf and then force it to
be used on the file types settings page. But the only difference with
PCM and what is shown above, is the endianness of the data, as PCM use
little-endian encoding (like WAV does). I get *exactly* the same results
here as with the above. It plays 16/44.1, but 24/192 plays slow.
Code:
aif pcm * *
# FD:{RESAMPLE=-r %d}
[sox] -q -t aif $FILE$ -t raw $RESAMPLE$ -c 2 -s -L -
In the end, I think the playback speed problem has to do with
transcoding from a 24 bit source. I'm not sure where the bug is, though.
It may have to do with the fact we're sending a headerless stream to the
Transporter, and that it assumes it's 16 bit audio. It may be that doing
pretty much the same resampling and streaming the audio as FLAC is
understood by the Transporter because it reads the proper audio
information in the FLAC headers that it receives.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
Do people with $2000 source components typically run them into AV systems? That probably wasn't a big concern of theirs. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Screws for the Transporter
aston45 wrote: Hi guys, I´ve found the screws in the meantime. It is a supplier here in Germany, which is almost unbelievable. http://www.astro-electronic.de/screws.htm#10 What's the size? There are dozens of screws on that page. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Screws for the Transporter
Why not just pull the one screw that you do have and have someone size it a hardware store? Even if you can't buy it there, they must be able to tell you what it is. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
I wish I had more money too. Those bastards with so much money that they can buy nice stuff are just ... -stoopid-. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
Julf wrote: Luckily I have gotten to a point in my life where I have been able to afford some pretty expensive toys (cars, motorcycles, electronics etc.), but I don't see any point in paying for just a nice box and some silly marketing. Good for you. I have an very rich uncle who drives a '91 Civic and washes his socks in the sink. Doesn't see any need to waste money doing otherwise. To each his own. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
ralphpnj wrote: So if one wants to pay for a nice looking piece of equipment by all means go ahead How generous of you. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
ralphpnj wrote: After all this time Zolx you still do not appear to get the point mos of us are trying to make. I just see you trying to make the same point in countless useless posts. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
In other words, the people who agree with you are the people who already agree with you. Post it again tomorrow. I'm sure you'll get the same crowd with their +1s tomorrow. And the next day. And the next. It never seems to get old with people who agree with each other. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
Oh, good. Say it again for anyone who missed your last 200 posts on the subject. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
Julf wrote: So how about your point of view? What makes you think there is a correlation between price and sound quality? Or is your point that sound quality doesn't matter - what matters is the price of your system? Sounds sad... What makes you think that's my point of view? I'm just tired of the repeated threads with nothing new or even marginally insightful being added to the discussion. It's just the same old audiophool bashing that we've been reading for years. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
Try posting the same to a real audiophile forum and see the response you get. Isn't that where you can do the most good, and save the most souls? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
What I thought. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Enormous file sizes
probedb wrote: You're right they're 32-bit float so nope, they have no bit depth in the sense that PCM data does :) Mp3s also have a maximum sampling rate of 48 kHz, so a hi-res FLAC wouldn't explain the large size of the transcoded Mp3. For example, I have a 24/96 version of Clapton's -Slow Hand-, and the Lame Mp3 transcoding of it is almost identical in size to the Mp3 transcoding of the standard 16/44.1 CD. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102263 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Enormous file sizes
RonM wrote: The filesizes are enormous relative to the track length. MP3tag reports that the flac tracks are only 44.1khz, but the Bitrate hovers around 5000 kB/s! I don't know what the bit depth is, but I'm assuming 24. Try this at a command prompt on one of the files: metaflac --list --block-type=STREAMINFO 07 Hanuman.flac You should see something like this, which will show both the sample rate and bit depth: Code: L:\Flac\Medeski Scofield Martin Wood\Out Loudermetaflac --list --block-type=STREAMINFO 07 Hanuman.flac METADATA block #0 type: 0 (STREAMINFO) is last: false length: 34 minimum blocksize: 4096 samples maximum blocksize: 4096 samples minimum framesize: 16 bytes maximum framesize: 13181 bytes sample_rate: 44100 Hz channels: 2 bits-per-sample: 16 total samples: 16964976 MD5 signature: f972ab14f06aae810c3e03ec389c489f * If the FLAC executable folder isn't in your PATH environment variable, you may need to use the full path of the metaflac executable. For example: C:\Progam Files (x86)\FLAC\metaflac ... JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102263 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Enormous file sizes
Looking at my last post, something just occurred to me: Could these be multi-channel files? Four, five or six channels or whatever surround sound is these days? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102263 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter V 2.2 versus V 2.5
I would assume that the first one was version 1.0. So there may be 15 or more versions. :) JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102078 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another interesting read - this time about speaker development.
Thanks for the sample, because it's a very good indication that the article is worthless. Separates became common in audio systems LONG before there was a cable market. And do you really think that a dealer selling, say, a $5,000 set of preamp and amplifier does so only to sell a pair of $500 interconnects? That doesn't even make sense. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101784 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Official SB Audiophile Forum Quantum Audio Fruitloopery List
Where's the Everything sounds the same forum when you really need it? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101564 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...
Most audiophiles think ABX testing is worthless. Why would they want to ABX these samples? It's like telling an atheist to try praying to some god or another and seeing if they get any results. I'm also not sure what exactly the point would be of encoding them both at 24/96 when many people think that the 96 kHz encoding itself is detrimental to sound quality. That includes many audiophiles who prefer 44.1 kHz. Good luck with this test. I imagine you'll get quite a few people who are already convinced that hi-res audio is a scam and will come back and confirm to you there's absolutely no difference. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101386 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worth reading
Good work. Looks like your troll bagged the two biggest fish in the pond straight off. I wish I had even half that much luck when I go angling for suckers, but the fish here aren't nearly as dumb. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does an audiophile Squeezebox (digital out only) exist now?
eduardoo wrote: I think the SBT can probably do better with better parts quality, clocking circuitry, power regulation and isolation (although I am using a custom made linear supply already) and better isolating (RF and vibration) casework. I am not sure if the Esoteric reclocks incoming spdif (it most likely does). It can also do async USB, but only with drivers installed, so probably won't work with the SBT. Why don't you give it a try. I believe the drivers are needed for the computer to be able to streaming through USB, not for the benefit of the ASYNC DAC. Also try the EDO plugin (see link below), especially if you want to stream 192k hi-rez. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94512-Announce-Enhanced-Digital-Output-app-USB-Dac-and-192k-Digital-Ouput JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100850 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Clowntime is NOT over
This isn't new. It goes back years. There have been many people who claim to hear a difference in sound quality between playing WAV and FLAC files. Has nothing to do with the concept of lossy compression. There are a number of theories as to why there may be a difference. Could be noise caused by the CPU processing required to decode FLAC, or it could have to do with the file structure of FLAC, which requires a lot of memory manipulation to deal with frames and blocks and reconstructing the stream into a simple stream of stereo PCM samples. It's also been postulated that with a networked streaming player there is very little difference, or even that FLAC can sound better. Streaming WAV requires no CPU processing to decode the data, but it requires more processing to handle the additional data coming in through the network connection. The tradeoff may favor FLAC. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Clowntime is NOT over
Personally, I'm firmly in the middle on this debate. I don't have golden ears, but I can believe it when someone tells me they hear something. No offense, but I think the real clowns are people who tell others what they can or cannot hear. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amazing USB cable breakthrough!!
Some of you people aren't very bright. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100230 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amazing USB cable breakthrough!!
Julf wrote: Or haven't met the Piltdown Man. I met him at RMAF. He was very gracious and the room sounded great. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100230 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Humor in latest TAS
Claims that WAV or AIFF versions of the same track sound better than FLAC have been made for years by many, many people. I doubt that there's a single audio magazine or audio forum where it hasn't been said. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98630 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Genius loves company
I question whether the sound quality is worse. But there's no question that the older performances are superior and more lively. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Genius loves company
Brisker sound doesn't register. What's that mean?? Livelier might mean better transients, but I still think you're describing (or influenced by) the performance rather than the recording. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Has the vinyl revival gone too far? - Interesting perspective...
This phenomenon isn't at all unique to vinyl collecting or high end audio. You see the same thing in a thousand other hobbies. When I was a kid, you went deer hunting with a shotgun and slugs, or an old 30-30 lever action. Now, you have guys who own five custom made deer rifles, a couple of elk rifles, antelope rifles, etc. Guys no longer drive two hours to a cabin in the Pennsyvania woods that their family has owned for generations - they fly to Montana and pay $5000 for a guided elk hunt. And we're not talking about the moneyed rich. These are the same blue collar workers, shoe salesmen and school teachers who years ago wouldn't spend more than $5.00 on a box of ammo each fall. Everything is over the top these days. To the point that many people no longer want anything to do with all of the assholes involved with many hobbies. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98421 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So when my SB3 eventually dies and its not possible to buy another ...
jezbo wrote: Interesting discussion on this going on here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96660-The-Future-of-Squeezebox-Product-Line-Upp=719644#post719644 Exactly the same discussion as this one and a couple of dozen others in the forum since it became official that Squeezebox was a dead product. The future, if the ecosystem has a future (and I hope it has) How can it with no active development of the server software on the part of Logitech and zero interest on the part of anyone else of doing open source development (or make that: plenty of interest, zero volunteers)? looks like it will be VortexBox-like devices for the server end Solutions at the server end haven't changed at all. But VortexBox servers will most likely die, since without additional Squeezebox players being sold, there are no new customers to buy turnkey servers. Anyone today who has a Squeezebox either has a server or doesn't need one. And without a commercial incentive to keep the VortexBox server distro alive, it too will likely receive no further development. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96663 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So when my SB3 eventually dies and its not possible to buy another ...
I think that enough units of the SB3/Classic (and SB2, which is virtually identical except for the case) were sold that you'll be able to find them for sale used for a _very_ long time. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96663 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So when my SB3 eventually dies and its not possible to buy another ...
jezbo wrote: Right now the cost of second hand units are pretty high, and these will have an ever diminishing lifespan looking forwards, if they are being used in the mean-time. Pretty high? I've seen used SB3s going for $75 to $150. You're looking for something that will work with LMS? Good luck ever finding or building something other than a Squeezebox for $75. http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ele/3298688195.html I disagree that they'll have an every-diminishing lifespan. I expect many SB2s and SB3s will work for many, many years. If yours happens to die it's just a matter of poor luck. The prices may still be relatively high, but they can only go lower and lower, which is why I say keep an eye out. Create a Craigslist and/or eBay search for Squeezeboxes, bookmark it, check it every so often. There will be random crazy cheap bargains to be had. In just a couple of years they'll be selling for $20 or $30 because few people will remember what a Squeezebox was, and those who do will consider it ancient technology. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96663 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter issue
It happens. Could be worse. Yesterday I was fiddling with my network hardware and disconnected the wireless router a few times, where it couldn't reach the server. Saw something similar after reconnecting things. The server thought it was connected to the Transporter, and thought it was playing music. Each time something played the main display on the Transporter instantly went blank, while the right-hand display stayed on, but the power meters remained idle. Tried power cycling the Transporter, restarting the server, restarting the wireless router, did a Xilinx reprogram on the Transporter. Only a factory reset of the Transporter fixed it. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96535 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Fantastic new audio reference book.
Winer is hardly an audio guru. He builds acoustic treatments, which isn't exactly the forefront of audio design. Here's a quote, after going into some rudimentary explanation of jitter that he copied from somewhere: It's clear to me that the burden of proof is on those who believe it is audible. Plunk JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..
SBGK wrote: I would be more persuaded by this torchured logic if the main proponents immediately saw the error of their ways and sold off their multi thousand $ dacs etc They wouldn't sell their Rolexes when they discover that a Timex works just as well. Most high end audio gear is electronic jewelry. Especially for a certain age-group. I'd be willing to bet that at least a few of the testers now question the value of their gear. It often takes a slap in the face like that to wake someone up. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Master List of HD and Lossless Download Sites..
TheOctavist wrote: yes, smart guy. it is a squeezebox forum. no we dont. if you cant be arsed to download the files and put them on your HDD , jakes on you, friend. it is useful to many, and they have said so;; jesus christ. you do the work for people ,offer something for FREE and they complain like hell. I misunderstood. I thought these were supposed to be the URLs of high bitrate and lossless streaming radio stations. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Master List of HD and Lossless Download Sites..
Am I missing something here, or is it not intended that these be Squeezebox playable? This is a Squeezebox forum, right? I'm sure these stations are all be playable through a web browser, but how many can be streamed to Squeezebox or a music player app? We need usable URLs that can be plugged into 'Tune in URL'. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
pkfox wrote: Would they house a 1 Tb drive though ? I want everything in one box. Be a little careful with 1 TB 2.5 drives to be installed in a laptop. Most laptops can only accept 2.5 drives that are 9.5mm thick. The first 1 TB 2.5 drives were built with an extra platter and all of them were 12.5mm thick. With greater platter densities this has changed, but there are still some 12.5mm drives on the market. With only 350 GB of data, a 750 GB drive might be more cost effective, anyway. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
pkfox wrote: Hi again, I'm pretty much sold on a Foxconn unit now but looking at the myriad of hard drives available I'm lost again, what do i need to look for ? Ok the size is obvious and the unit only accepts Sata II but what about al the other options rpm,cache etc... Get a slower, non-7200 RPM drive. A 5900/5400/5200 RPM drive runs cooler and will be plenty fast enough for a music server. More cache is better (faster), but in reality you're unlikely to notice any difference. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best server for Transporter
How much storage space do you need? I ask because if you get a tiny nettop type system then you may be forced to use an external hard drive (or drives). That's not a terrible thing, but the extra cabling and wall wart can be messy and it somewhat defeats the purpose of using such a small box for the computer itself. If you need a lot of storage space then it means you'll have to use 3.5 drives, since 2.5 drives (which are quieter, cooler, a little more expensive) are currently limited to 1 TB in size (about 2800-3000 CDs encoded in FLAC). If you do need one or more 3.5 drives then IMO it's best to get a case that can hold them internally. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95477 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode plugin with M-DAC
JohnSwenson wrote: These chips DO add a significant amount of jitter to the USB signals themselves, whether this jitter winds up as jitter on the clock feeding the DAC chips (the only place where jitter really matters) is going to be VERY implementation dependant. In some DACs it won't get through to the clock, in others it will. How does jitter get through an asynchronous interface? Isn't that a bit like talking about jitter on an Ethernet connection? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transcode and upsample at once?
I doubt that this is doable within the transcoding framework. It just wasn't designed with that sort of flexibility in mind. One thing I do know is that you don't want the output type in SoX to be WAV if PCM is the target. You need to use the output type 'raw' in SoX, as the Squeezebox will be expecting a headerless stream. With type WAV you're probably hearing a click at the beginning of each track, which is the WAV header being played. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95051 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SBT meme
1. Buy Squeezebox Touch 2. Ignore nitwit trolls in forums. 3. Enjoy. 4. Enjoy. 5. Enjoy. 6. Enjoy. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SBT meme
magiccarpetride wrote: Ignore list not working again? Oh, trust me, my ignore list works just fine. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
NoRoDa;698970 Wrote: Our problem? The best sound in the house on every test came from the wireless connected factory default SBT! So yes, there is a difference when implementing TT3.0, it makes the SBT sound worse*. Not surprising. Mods that make things sound -different- aren't always beneficial. And the majority of modifications are done pretty randomly, with the modder just assuming that X or Y will sound better. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SOX and server side decompression.
praganj;697587 Wrote: Is there any chance to force the LMS to apply some SOX parameters to played wave files and send them as a wave stream to SBT ? Yes. SoX can do both DSP and codec conversion/decoding. You have the choice of the output format, so you could go from either FLAC or WAV file inputs to WAV as the streaming format. It's just a matter of setting up the right custom-convert.conf rules and then setting the Advanced File Types configuration to disable FLAC streaming. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94298 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone tell me how the wireless protocol works?
stop-spinning;695608 Wrote: If this is the case, then why is wireless discouraged for sound quality reasons? 'RFI' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency_interference) is the reason usually stated. Many audiophiles will not operate a wireless network in their homes for the same reason. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94101 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] downsampling on SB3 to wav
th00ht;695799 Wrote: when playing 96/24 material on my SB3 I see on the server that a downsampling to wav is performed. I wonder why and what would need to be added/changed in convert.conf or custom-convert.conf to prevent this conversion from happening Because the SB3 doesn't support 96 kHz. Code: /opt/logitechmediaserver/Bin/i386-linux/sox -q -t wav - -t flac -C 0 -r 48000 - Are these WAV files? in the convert.conf file I seem to be unable to locate the 48000 so this must come from something like $RESAMPLE$. Where is $RESAMPLE$ defined? I believe that would come from within the software itself, where it knows that the SB3 is capable of playing 48 kHz. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94126 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] downsampling on SB3 to wav
th00ht;695849 Wrote:
hi JJZolx, I have seen reports that the SB is very well capable of
playing 96 material.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20512
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92050
The original files are flac. The SB should be able to natively do flac.
Ok, I see what happened. You didn't include the first half of the
command that decodes the FLAC files to WAV. The full rule in
convert.conf is:
Code:
flc flc transcode *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}D:{RESAMPLE=-r %d}
[flac] -dcs $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ | [sox] -q -t wav - -t flac -C 0
$RESAMPLE$ -
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone tell me how the wireless protocol works?
stop-spinning;695504 Wrote: I am interested in how the wireless protocol works with a Squeezebox Touch (or Duet I guess for that matter)? There is no 'wireless' protocol. The streaming protocol over the network is the same for both wired and wireless connections. I noticed when I used one some while back that there was a large buffer in the Duet - when I disconnected the wireless link to the computer - the Duet was playing for about 15 or so seconds afterwards - which seem to be a decent size buffer. Right, but the length of time the audio will play from the buffer will depend on the degree of compression of the data. It might be 15 seconds for WAV (PCM), or it might be a couple of minutes for MP3 at some low bitrate. So I just wondered - when playing music initiated from the Personal Computer, there is a slight delay before starting - so does music first get 'copied' to the Squeezebox over the wireless network - then once copied (which should be perfect if using TCP/IP and CRC checksums)- it then actually gets played from the copy on the SB itself? The buffer is prefilled to some degree (I think measured in bytes) before playback will begin. The faster the server and the network, the quicker this happens. And why a faster network connection (such as wired 100 Mbps ethernet) will be more reliable. If there's a network or server interruption, the faster network allows the buffer to refill more quickly and avoid underruns. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94101 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192kHz considered harmful
pippin;694316 Wrote: I only trust my ears!! Not me. I wake up every day with a burning desire to have someone else tell me what I can and cannot hear. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Speaker placement question
1mm -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If only all audiophiles were like this man, Peter Aczel
TheOctavist;688905 Wrote: It baffles me that hifi industry is driven by spurious, alternate dimension bullshit! I've yet to figure out why that bothers people so acutely. Or why they _say_ it bothers them. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93479 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's happened to Phil Leigh?
cliveb;682982 Wrote: the audiofool lunatic fringe Those are easily ignored, IMO. I never quite understood the reason for posts that do nothing more than tell somebody that they don't, won't, or can't hear something. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92925 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's happened to Phil Leigh?
Wombat;683009 Wrote: Since you almost never post or argue in this section here it is no wonder you can easily ignore them. Or maybe I don't post here -because- I ignore them. There isn't much else in this forum. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92925 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter for sale
That's not really relevant to the question of which one performs better as a transport feeding an external DAC. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter for sale
gizek;673326 Wrote: No such question was asked here but if you insist... You said 'Audiomuze is right'. His comment was about the Touch v. Transporter purely as a digital transport, but your comment appeared to be about the relative sound quality of the Touch+DAC compared with the analog output of the Transporter. That's all I meant. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] help me find linear power supply for Touch?
$15 or so with shipping: http://www.herbach.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PRODStore_Code=HARProduct_Code=TM93PWS2476Category_Code=PWS -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91383 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stylish tiny amp for Touch
How about this one? I wouldn't want an amp without a volume control. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Muse-M50-TPA3123-Stereo-Amplifier/dp/B005OSFWPQ [image: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JbBiNxddL._SL500_AA300_.jpg] -- JJZolx » » Download 'Squeezebox Server 7.5.6 r35834' (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeboxServer_v7.5.6_unreleased/), the last nightly build of SBS 7.5. » JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91027 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stylish tiny amp for Touch
There are also 15, 20 and 30W versions of the MUSE amp. There seems to be more info out there about the M20. Do a Googld search for: MUSE M20 EX TA2020 http://www.amazon.co.uk/TA2020-T-Amp-Stereo-Amplifier-20WX2/dp/B005JYTREM/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8m=AIXVJTKQJ373Es=genericqid=1319067919sr=1-21 And there are a number of similar amps based on the same Tripath TA2020 module. http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=m570.l2736_nkw=ta2020 -- JJZolx » » Download 'Squeezebox Server 7.5.6 r35834' (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeboxServer_v7.5.6_unreleased/), the last nightly build of SBS 7.5. » JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91027 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
If the patio is covered is there a need for outdoor speakers? I think I'd mix it down to mono as well for that setup. Nobody is likely to hear much of a stereo image and anyone sitting close to one of the speakers isn't going to hear all of the music. There was a recent thread that discussed how this can be done in Squeezebox Server itself by using SoX to do the mono mixing. Pretty simple, and easily disabled to go back to stereo, so you could wire the speakers LRLR and then experiment. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=657427#post657427 -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Teflon tape
Isn't Teflon (PTFE) a very good electrical insulator? Sounds like the very last thing you'd want to wind around the prongs making an electrical connection. I have no doubt that it makes the physical connection feel tighter, but you can only be reducing and compromising the actual contact area, not increasing it. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89174 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter for sale
You should mention the color. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can a netbook fully replace a squeezebox?
stop-spinning;636534 Wrote: So, in summary, a Netbook running J. River media software using a remote control J River UI from a phone, shut the netbook lid to keep things tidy on the shelf (it'll still work) - start the music from your phone - with the netbook connected to an async DAC, should work out well and should (in theory) sound better than an SB Touch. Sounds like a plan. Much more expensive, of course, than a Squeezebox, especially if you're looking at a good quality USB DAC, and not nearly as neat a package. And that netbook had better be dead silent if it's going to be in my listening room. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88181 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dac for SBT
darrenyeats;629551 Wrote: But if you're of the opinion that the DAC has to sound good rather than accurate (transparent) you are on your own. Then I'll bet there are an awful lot of people who are on their own. Which would mean that they're not really on their own. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Demagnetization
What's with the constant trolls? Use Google if you really want an answer. Otherwise, go to hell. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87458 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] VU meters?
Looks like it's dependent on the song being played. I have an older album that's noticeably quieter than just about anything else in my library. Ry Cooder's 'Bop Till You Drop' has an album ReplayGain of +6.79dB. While playing, the Touch's meters never hit -7dB. Then there's the Flobots' 2010 album 'Survival Story', with an album ReplayGain of -9.61dB. The meters go past +1dB. Loudness wars. SP must simply map the numeric values of samples to positions on the meter. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
That's just an input selector, but you could always do both a Xilinx and a factory reset to get the player back to its virgin state. This will take two power ups and you'll have to reenter your wireless password after doing the factory reset. Xilinx reset: Press and hold 1 on the remote while applying power to the Transporter. Factory reset: Press and hold + on the remote while applying power to the Transporter. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter discontiuned?
Robin Bowes;621521 Wrote: The only difference is the badge on the front. There is zero mechanical/electrical difference. Badge? As Gary said, they're missing the navigation knob. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection
Phil Leigh;614846 Wrote: He did - Ian has the ONLY 1st gen master in existence - the 3 versions I mentioned all used it. No other version does. These versions sound much better - the DCC version being the best. I'm not a big fan of Steve Hoffman or the MOFI smile curve, but unless you have heard this version, you haven't really heard what this album can sound like... It's worth seeking out (edit for clarity...the DCC version sounds dryer than the MOFI because the MOFI has the smile curve on it and the DCC doesn't) But the DCC version was remastered by Steve Hoffman. +---+ |Filename: Aqualung [DCC].jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11447| +---+ -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
sublemon;603083 Wrote: just FYI, I emailed Logitech and this is what they said: the TransNav is accessed through the IR remote, the knob on the front is now only volume control. so, it probably looks the same as the original model cosmetically That sounds like a nice compromise. Did they say whether any of the front buttons work? -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
Phil Leigh;603100 Wrote: Andy - what's that big round thing in the middle? That may or may not be a picture of the SE unit, but it could be. The have to put _something_ in that large round space. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
It's the old stock photo that's been Photoshopped. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
So it still has the Transnav mechanism, but not the knob? Strange. [image: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/digital-media-servers/slim-devices-transporter-digital-music-player-review/Transporterinside2.jpg] -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
I certainly wouldn't miss either the knob or the second VFD. I have the second VFD turned off on mine, an if I were experiencing the degaussing noise that others have reported I'd open up the Transporter and disconnect the knob entirely. A Boom knob would not only have been fine, but better, IMO. Not only would it not have needed the degaussing weirdness, it has a much better feel to it than the transnav thing. (But remember that the Boom came after the Transporter, so there was no way to know it at the time.) Still, I doubt that I would ever use it. I certainly can't imagine Logitech investing anything in refitting the design to use a different knob when they know most people don't use it. My guess is that they're just trying to clear out some leftover parts by selling Transporters without knobs. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
bluegaspode;598761 Wrote: Boom MK2 with color display (a.k.a. Radio with two speakers) is a no brainer and last missing link in the lineup. Have no idea why this didn't come this Christmas. No new software needed, hardware easy to assemble, loads of customers who would by it... New hardware, new tooling, and yes, some new software. At at minimum they would need to develop the programming for the output jack, switching between full range and subwoofer out. Then there's all the DSP stuff. But the bigger issue is that it would be a major step backward for the Boom to adopt SqueezeOS/Squeezeplay. The Boom is a solid, mature product. The Radio may never be. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
I think Logitech learned their lesson with the Duet/Receiver. There won't be another Squeezebox without a screen and the ability to configure the device from the device itself. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
The comments in this thread hint at exactly why it's unlikely there will be any more Squeezeboxes. I'd like video streaming, I'd like no screen, I'd like an internal amp, I'd like AM/FM, I'd like a nicer case, I'd like internal disk drives. Customers don't know where Squeezebox goes next, so Logitech sure as hell doesn't. That's why Logitech sells a product like the Radio and why it's undoubtedly the biggest selling Squeezebox ever - it's a lowest common denominator product, both in price point and audience. It's the end of the line. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is a Transporter SE?
SE is usually 'special edition'. My guess is that they had left over Transporter parts on hand but couldn't source the TransNav mechanism. So they're selling what they can with minimal additional effort. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84281 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
The big change to firmware 81 was moving the scrolling of text to the player, so it could account for greater CPU usage. Apparently the Transporter is borderline when playing 96kHz Flac, so any small change could push it over the top. I'm not sure whether the scrolling changes should affect it if you're using the Music Information Screensaver, but maybe the plugin doesn't play nice with the new approach to scrolling. Try disabling the plugin first. If that doesn't help you might then go to the Transporter's display settings (using the web interface) and change the scrolling rate. Increase the scroll pixels to 7 and decrease the scroll rate (by increasing the value) to 0.15. I think those were the old defaults. In any case, adjust the scroll rate until the speed looks correct. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
cliveb;597010 Wrote: Why on Earth did they do that? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=588751#post588751 -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
