Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophiles on Wikipedia - LOL!
opaqueice;182463 Wrote: You should watch this if you want to see what happens when this disease gets totally out of control: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs1aUws0Lrs As a bonus it's beautifully filmed. Great movie ! Thanks I would LOVE to do blind test on these people :) Spending 200 000 euro on a system is really way out there. I guess they have the money though so to each their own. I bet their systems doesn't sond THAT much better than mine ... even with all the lavitation, special EXACTLY 230 V electricity and aeroplane wings etc LOL ! And most importantly ... not a system in the world can turn bad music into good music. The music itself is so much more important than the system it is playing on. -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32978 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume settings
I am using a SB3 - Lavry DA10 - Integrated Amp. Now what settings do you people, who use a setup like mine, in terms of volume settings ? I recall seeing people seem to have it at max in the SB ? Cheers -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32929 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume settings
Correct, it's an integrated amp. I connect the SB3 to the lavry with a toslink. I have set the volume setting in the SB3 to MAX ( 100 ) and the lavry to 40. Do you mean I should max the lavry too ? Eric Carroll;182012 Wrote: Given you have an integrated amp, you have a volume control. I assume you have the SB3 connected digitally to the DAC... The consensus is that you should preferentially use the analog volume control if possible. This means setting SB3 to full volume on the digital output side. Similarly on the DAC side, have it output at a constant (full) line level. Then use the integrated amp volume control to actually set the volume. This will preserve dynamic range through the digital chain. If you find that your full line level is not properly matched to the integrated amp, and you have to set the integrated amp volume control too low, you can add attenuation between the DAC and the integrated amp. The benefit of adding fixed attentuation in front of the integrated amp is that the noise floor will get reduced as well as the signal, preserving SNR, instead of decreasing the DAC volume, which reduces signal but not noise, thus decreasing SNR. -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32929 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume settings
I can change the voulme on the amp with remote so that works fine, thank you. Setting the lavry much higher than around 40 seem to be to high though but at 40 its ok so I leave it around there. Another question ( sorry ). What is the difference, if any, in setting the volume to digital output level is fixed in the webinterface and just set it to 100 in the player itself ? Eric Carroll;182032 Wrote: I am not very familiar with the Lavry, so I am assuming here its volume control is in the digital domain and not analog. Assuming its volume is digital, yes, I would suggest maxing the DAC volume too and use the integrated amp control. The rationale is if you have an integrated amp, then do all volume control on the integrated amp, as this influences both the noise floor and the signal at the same time, while digital domain volume changes impact only the signal and thus may negatively impact SNR depending on the details of the DAC and how low you go on the volume control. If you can't change the integrated amp remotely, you can compromise by setting the integrated amp high enough and using the digital volume control only for regular listening needs, but try to keep it 20dB of full scale. -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32929 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?
Ok so bottom line is that I can go and buy a xlr - rca cable , where the xlr will be the out from the lavry and the rca will feed the input on the amp, and I am not missing some extra quality of the lavry by not having balanced xlr inputs on the amp ? would this cable be what I am looking for ? http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/13190 -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32699 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?
P Floding;180155 Wrote: Yes, but if you are getting a Lavry you might want to invest a little bit more on the cable. Those RCAs look very cheap indeed. (Loss of grip with the grounding ring giving substandard contact would be my main concern.) Yea ... but the Lavry is already mine and using it in this setup is more an experiment than anything. Dont want to spend a fortune on cables just for this. Can you recommend some other cables that would be of better quality then ? -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32699 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?
Ben, As per the lavry manual it says Note: Most XLR cable adaptors (such as a cable with XLR Female and a ¼ inch MONO plug) work correctly as Balanced to Unbalanced converters. Does that mean that I can leave the lavry on default , that is balanced, and have the cable convert the signal ? Do I understand that correct ? Also, can I harm the equipment by not chaning the jumpers on the Lavry leaving it in balanced mode with my amp ? Ben Diss;180200 Wrote: You are losing a -potential- benefit. In your setup it might make not make a difference. XLR shields against noise by using a third wire. This wire carries the signal inverted. On the receiving end, the inverted signal is swapped back and added to the non inverted signal canceling out any noise introduced in transmission. RCA can block noise through good shielding but it's a lot harder and results vary wildly. Both types of cables can still affect the sound through different levels of resistance, capacitance, inductance, etc. If you're going to use an XLR-RCA interconnect be sure and open the Lavry and swap the jumper to get the signal levels right. Also be sure you get the pinouts right when you buy the cables. -Ben -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32699 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...
I am very skeptical about the whole burn in idea when it comes to electronics. Speakers sure , they have mechanical parts and stuff but I dont see the logic behind a piece of electronic becoming better with time ? I am an electrical engineer btw, not that it matters but never seen anything to prove this whole theory .. rather the opposite. And the psu is just feeding power to the SB that is it right ? Is the power somehow better now ? I am not questioning you hearing a difference I am just not convinced about the burn in thing :) -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32726 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...
Everything in the universe is subject to change in one way or another ( well almost everything ) but when it comes to hifi equipment I just dont see how a change would improve anything, if there is one, it should be a negative change if anything , as in a degredation of the curcuits. Burning in of cables is even more strange ... how could a digital cable for example possible sounds warmer, wider or whatever with time ? it is passing bits .. 1's and 0's ... they dont get wider och warmer. They are what they are. If a system sound shitty today it will most likely sound as shity tomorrow. I might be wrong of course. I think your theory is dead on to be honest. Skunk;180244 Wrote: My point was one of illustration, i.e. there is no proof the power supply made the difference. To the engineer, however, I might ask: do capacitors possess the ability to change, and how might that change affect the reaction to transients in the device in question? My theory on break in time is that it is directly proportional to the return period for components that may be feared not to live up to buyer expectations initially. You can't have buyer's remourse if there is a possibility for improvement... -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32726 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?
I know I will need one for each channel. Might as well get the cheap ones just to play with I guess. Should be getting sound from it either way I hope. If not ... anyone want to buy a lavry ? :P P Floding;180253 Wrote: There is no conversion going on. A balanced cable has two single ended signals working in reverse to each other (i.e. inverted). You will simply be using one of them. Re earlier question: The RCA is mono, and so is the XLR. The Lavry should have two three-pin male XLRs outputs -one for each channel. You need two cables to get left and right RCA inputs. -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32699 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?
So the other day I asked about a cable which had xlr to rca and you guys pointed out there is such a thing. Thanks :) Well now I am wondering about the importance of the whole balanced input/output thing. The Lavry DA10 has balanced outputs ( can also go unbalanced afaik) but my amp does not, at least not that I am aware of. So what is the deal with this ? Will I miss out on some hifi nirvana by not having balanced inputs on the amp ? -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32699 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XLR to RCA adapter
I am going to test a Lavry DA10 but my amp does not have XLR inputs, only RCA. Any problems using a converter ( if there is such a thing ? ) or will it not affect the sound in any way ? Cheers -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Ethernet Cable
Any regular ethernet cable will do. There is no High End cable similar to the hifi ones. Just any cheapo cable will do just fine. Tcp/ip will take care of any transmission problems anyway. Not sure what you mean with reviews though ... reviews on cat5 cables ? * EDIT ** Im too late. What pfarrell said I guess :) -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31080 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile virgin asking for help/advice.
tomjtx;164161 Wrote: That is a GREAT price on the Lavry, I am jealous :-) BUY IT NOW!! I don't know where you are moving but I am sure you could sell it if you don't like it and maybe make money. Yea that is kind of what I was thinking too. Even if I find it to be overkill I don't think I will lose anything on getting it since selling it here should be easy. I just moved from Norway btw, having lived for more than 3 years in Oslo. Had some great musical experinces there seeing Jaga Jazzist live a bunch of times and Nils Petter Molvaer. Great music ! tomjtx;164161 Wrote: SB , use a digital cable (tosslink or coax) to the Lavry and hook the Lavry to the amp, the Lavry has a volume control(no remote) Max out the SB volume and put the moves on your girlfriend :-) Thanks for the input on this ! So the SB should be maxed out, ok. Which unit should handle the volume control then ? The amp or the Lavry ? Or both ? Im a little confused :) Too bad no girlfriend seem to share my taste in music, but that shouldn't stop me from trying them moves I guess :) -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30823 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile virgin asking for help/advice.
cliveb;164218 Wrote: As you mentioned in your initial posting, you have noticed that there is no consensus of opinion around here. So let me throw in my own thoughts. 1. Amplifiers. The best preamp possible is no preamp at all. If the Squeezebox is going to be your only source, go with just a power amp, and use the Squeezebox's volume control to adjust listening levels. If you do this, then you may need some way of limiting the maximum volume possible. If you also get the Lavry, then you can use its volume control to set the maximum level. If not, then you might need to get some passive attenuators. 2. Regarding your choice of speakers. Are you really fixed on these? It's possible that if you combined the money you would spend on these speakers plus the Lavry, you might be able to get much better speakers, which would result in better sound quality, even when using the Squeezebox DAC (which is pretty good in any case). You mention that the Stridbeck speakers are very neutral, without any character of their own, so my guess would be that you might like active professional studio monitors (which have their own built-in power amps). These kind of speakers are typically much cheaper than HiFi speakers for the same sound quality. (The downside is that they are not nearly as good-looking). Thanks for your input. About the Lavry, I will buy it either way because of the price I can get it for which means I can try it at no finacial risk really. If I dont need it I will just sell it. I havenät found a place that let me sample it at home so this is just another way of doing that. I haven't thought abobut that kind of spekars yet but it makes sense since I like that clean quality. I am not fixed on the Stridbecks btw. Does using such speakers mean that there would be no need at all for an amp ? Also do you know of any good ones or where to start looking ? Questions questions :) -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30823 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile virgin asking for help/advice.
I have spent some time reading posts in this forum and its been very interesting. Time then to participate ! I am looking for a substitute for my CD which decided to leave this earth a while back. I am also tired of the CD medium itself and strongly believe that doing away with it is the way to go. So in my quest I stumbled upon this little thing, the SqueezeBox, and from what I can see it looks like the one for me! I have some questions though and most have probably been asked before but I was never one to claim to be unique :) Like I said my CD died but I should add that I don't have any speakers either ATM or an amp, the reason for this is I just moved from another country and couldn't be arsed to bring things like that with me. They were not good anyway. So basically I don't have nothing ATM, I am a white canvas for you people to paint your master pieces on :) First question: I know what kind of speakers I want already ( Handmade Swedish speakers made by Stridbeck ) but about the amp I just need some suggestions. This is the Audiophiles I know I know but I am not spending a fortune on this stuff. So cheap and very good .. shouldn't be that hard for you right ? :) I mean that is what the SB is after all ... or so they say. Must be others. I will use lossless format in one way or another and the SB as transport. Now I have read X number or threads about the SQ of the SB as is, and with mods, with external Dac's etc and AFAIK there is not a unified answer. Not surprisingly since it is all very subjective. But given my setup, which will consist of decent speakers ( to me anyway ) and a probably not so decent amp ( to you ) would I benefit at all from a Dac or is that just me craving the extra gear ? Squeezebox -- Amp -- Speakers Squeezebox -- Dac -- Amp -- Speakers I don't care AT ALL about how these things look as I will hide them anyway. I am not anal about sound quality, meaning I will not run around with db instruments measuring sound waves ... I am however anal ENOUGH to want as good a sound as I can get, for the money I can afford. So question 2: Would you advice me to just buy the SB first and try it out and wait with external Dac's until AFTER I have tried it in my system ? All logic tells me this is the thing to do but logic and me, well, we haven't spoken much lately. I have this one time chance to get a Lavry DA10 for a very good price and should I decide later I hate it or whatever I am certain I can sell it and even make money off of it. Thoughts ? Finally let me apologize for such a horrific first post. They say first impressions last so whatever goofy impression I made with this post I guess I only have myself to blame. Anyway .. here's to music !!! -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30823 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile virgin asking for help/advice.
PhilNYC;164116 Wrote: Do you know the specs of the speakers? eg. sensitivity rating, impedance, how many drivers and what kind, etc? All those things affect the type of amp that will match well with it. Not at this point I don't. I haven't had the chance to look into these things as of yet because of the move etc, but I am planning to after the holidays. I realize my questions are a little premature because of this but I just couldn't help myself :) The speakers I am looking at can be seen here http://www.stridbeck.com/produkter.html It's the 55.1 and the SL 24 that I am thinking of. I know there is no info at all for you ( or me ) at that site but hey at least there are pictures! :) It's in Swedish too but you are not missing out since it doesn't say anything about the technical details. I have heard both of these and loved them both, the 55.1 more so but it is also 3 times the price of the SL 24 so we will see. I know that the SL 24 should be able to be used with almost any amp, this according to the builder himself. the 55.1 might require a little more but as of now I am not sure. I am no wiz when it comes to audio lingo and so I can not describe what makes these speakers good in that sense. But I can describe the quality of the sound, or how it sounds to me anyway, and that is that the 55.1 was extremely revealing for a lack of a better word. I listened to recordings on it and heard things I had never heard before and just loved it! Same with the SL 24 but not as much. Overall that is the sound I am after, a clean sound with no added quality. If you understand what I mean ? -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30823 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile virgin asking for help/advice.
empty99;164132 Wrote: You are no longer virgin the moment you dared posted on this Audiophile site ;^) I looked at those speakers and can't help noticing all those squared corners and flat baffles, known to cause diffractions, vibrations and a boxy sound. May I graphically recommend before you commit your $$$, check out those sexy, curvy (but extremely rigid) BW 805 Nautilus ($1200US/used) and start listening to naked, unboxed, three dimensional, in the flesh, holographic music of utter clarity, the result of nearly 40 years of producing quality speakers for the recording professionals. SB3MFA3.242 Nakamichi PA7sBW 802NNice! Why thank you for embracing me into this cozy world of Audiophilia :) I am not yet committed to any piece of gear, not even the SB3 *gasp* so I will take any advice or recommendation and consider it carefully. So BW huh ? Never listened to one on them myself. -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30823 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile virgin asking for help/advice.
Patrick Dixon;164135 Wrote: The thing is, speakers don't just sound good or bad on their own, so you should consider when you heard them sounding so good, what the rest of the system was, and how it was contributing to the sound. Yea this is one of the biggest problems IMO. Listen to one thing in one place and it sounds great. Take it somewhere else with other stuff and it's a Walkman ! Makes it that much tougher. Any advice on good amps that doesn't mean I have to sell the house ? Generally speaking that is ... since your point above is still valid and very true. -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30823 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile virgin asking for help/advice.
tomjtx;164146 Wrote: If you can get a Lavry cheap(the lowest price I was able to negotiate was 850.00 US.) then get it! Combined with the SB you are in Transporter territory for less money. I prefer the TP but the margin is very small and very subjective. If dollars were tight the SBLavry is the way to go IMHO. There are some great ,moderately priced speakers and integrated amps out there, read the magazines and weigh the input from the forums, but MOST OF ALL listen and don't be in a hurry. Try to find a good dealer in your area and also take advantage of the 30 day trials some people offer. You might not want to commit until you hear some competing gear. Good luck, I hope you have fun and don't go too broke:-) Thanks for your input ! I am in Sweden ATM and the retail price I have seen here is 1500 USD ! I can get it for 800 USD with warranty which would mean almost 50% off. As for the whole SB - Lavry thing I have a question and feel I need to issue a stupid question alert so be prepared. If I get the Lavry could you tell me exactly how one would connect the SB to the Lavry ... and the Lavry to something like an integrated amp say a Rotel RA-01 ? Why I ask is that I have read about how you should set the volume to max on the SB, for some reason ? And that there could be risk of blowing the speakers .. something like that. I have been reading som much it's all a blur by now. My head is spinning with all these terms. It should be the digital outs from the SB into the Lavry right ? And then from there into the amp ? It's stupid I know but I warned you ! :) -- thingfish thingfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9126 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30823 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
