Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Shazam became pretty bloated as Android app. I find the google sound search app as widget very practical without the need of starting a big app. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > No, and never will unless you know someone willing to write a connector > for no money whatsoever.. :) > > Just saying that functionality exists outside the LMS universe already, > that's already happened. If that's what you want, you can have it. Shazam is extremely usefull when you hear Tune in pulic and wonder wtf is that :) Inside LMS i use the "what was that Tune " plugin , this is good when smartmix plugin injects stuff from Spotify you never heard. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Apesbrain wrote: > None of those interface with Squeezebox or with any compatible > alternative. No, and never will unless you know someone willing to write a connector for no money whatsoever.. :) Just saying that functionality exists outside the LMS universe already, that's already happened. If that's what you want, you can have it. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > You mean Shazam? I believe Amazon Alexa and apple siri can both do this > too. None of those interface with Squeezebox or with any compatible alternative. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Shazam dont. Amazon tell you what it is, at least, and you can store your own music in their cloud and search the lot of it. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > You mean Shazam? I believe Amazon Alexa and apple siri can both do this > too. And they return the versions that have paid Amazon's or Apple's licensing fee, in other words only those versions available in their own music store, so if the music is not available then they return nothing. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Apesbrain wrote: > It would be great to have an easier way to find things. Sometimes I can > remember a theme from a classical piece but can't put my mind to the > work or composer. How about just hum or whistle what I remember into a > controller app and it pops up the piece I'm seeking? Or be able to say > "Beethoven Symphony 5" or "Beethoven Symphony 5 Toscanini" to the app > and it lists all versions in my library and subscribed music services. You mean Shazam? -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Apesbrain wrote: > It would be great to have an easier way to find things. Sometimes I can > remember a theme from a classical piece but can't put my mind to the > work or composer. How about just hum or whistle what I remember into a > controller app and it pops up the piece I'm seeking? Or be able to say > "Beethoven Symphony 5" or "Beethoven Symphony 5 Toscanini" to the app > and it lists all versions in my library and subscribed music services. That would be nice, however I would expect that the app will only return the versions that have paid the app's licensing fee :) Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
It would be great to have an easier way to find things. Sometimes I can remember a theme from a classical piece but can't put my mind to the work or composer. How about just hum or whistle what I remember into a controller app and it pops up the piece I'm seeking? Or be able to say "Beethoven Symphony 5" or "Beethoven Symphony 5 Toscanini" to the app and it lists all versions in my library and subscribed music services. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
I would like discrete surround . DSD was never a good idea not even in the 90's you can do equally good with PCM and PCM can be used for processing like mixing and in the end users system for room correction volume DSP crossovers etc . DSD only works in the antique paradigm of DAC to analog Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
atrocity wrote: > Maybe this is another one of those audiophile things where No Serious > Listener Would Ever Want More Than Two Speakers. :) I, for one, only have two ears. :) So headphones with acoustic 3D encoding per user is what you need. Multi-speaker setups help present a realistic sound stage when there's more than one person doing the listening however. Reminds me, must go listen to those music DVDs I never listened to before... -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
atrocity wrote: > I'm ripping my SACDs via one of the naughty methods that technically > isn't supposed to exist. Right - that is a curse that will probably stay with us for ever - silly attempts by the content industry to keep control of the material using misguided technical means. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Mnyb wrote: > That's solvable for RG tags simply don't have them in these files that > fixes it for LMS where you can turn of this completely. Yes, in LMS it's not a problem at all. I use RG on PCM and not on DTS or AC-3 and life is good. I was just commenting that I'd be irked if Roon calculated RG on that material with no ability to turn it off. Maybe this is another one of those audiophile things where No Serious Listener Would Ever Want More Than Two Speakers. :) atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Julf wrote: > Considering DSD might have been a good idea in the 90's, we might now > let it rest in peace... I don't really care one way or the other about DSD, I just like discrete surround music and much of that is only available as DSD. It's on my mind more at the moment because I'm ripping my SACDs via one of the naughty methods that technically isn't supposed to exist. Since LMS can convert it to PCM on the fly, I'm leaving it as DSD. LMS can't deal with the surround DSD, of course, but Foobar2000 can convert even the 5.1 to PCM on the fly. atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
I didn't disagree. Just pointing out that squeezebox wasn't cheap enough to be a no brainer for anyone when it came out, and like many things to not really take off in their lifetime it's only really thriving now because the hardware got cheaper, used. A second life, if you like. I have to say though I don't think any one hardware component is the future of music for the masses. (Other than the smartphone.) There will be no ubiquitous Squeezebox Touch 2. More likely an app that ties a bunch of existing tech together. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > Well yeah. Bear in mind squeezebox touch was, what, £300 new on release? > That's hardly cheap. And that doesn't even come with a server component > you have to build your own. $300 versus $3000 (average price of high end music streamer, often without a server component) $2,700 buys quite a lot of digital music Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
atrocity wrote: > And HDMI to output gapless 5.1 FLAC and DSD! Considering DSD might have been a good idea in the 90's, we might now let it rest in peace... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
atrocity wrote: > It would be a disaster for those of us with lots of DTS and AC-3 in our > libraries, too. That's solvable for RG tags simply don't have them in these files that fixes it for LMS where you can turn of this completely. I suppose you can in roon ,some of that crowd is very picky about bit-perfect in the usual audiophile way ( they think the sound will be severely broken if not bit perfect ). But what does roon in depth scanning assign for volume level on a dts/ac3 file wrapped in flac or wav ? It's just noise . It's also used to generate cute vase forms in th UI ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
ralphpnj wrote: > 1) is the replaygain defeatable since I don't use it nor do I intend to > use it any time soon. It would be a disaster for those of us with lots of DTS and AC-3 in our libraries, too. atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
pablolie wrote: > ... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, > someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision > an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... > > - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV And HDMI to output gapless 5.1 FLAC and DSD! atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Well yeah. Bear in mind squeezebox touch was, what, £300 new on release? That's hardly cheap. And that doesn't even come with a server component you have to build your own. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > The big brand streamers make a big thing of the auto rip and tag, and > they make some effort to curate the results too. Cddb is one big > stinking mess, which is why they don't use it (not unedited anyway). > They also offer you the ability to edit/correct tags. They have thought > about it, for the stupendous money they charge you would expect them to > have done so. > > I'm thinking the Cyrus/arcam/Naim products. These are not generic dlna > products. But the entry cost is ridiculously high for these systems... > makes LMS and squeezebox look cheap. And they really weren't. All of these high end music streaming devices way, way, way over priced. Enough said. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
The big brand streamers make a big thing of the auto rip and tag, and they make some effort to curate the results too. Cddb is one big stinking mess, which is why they don't use it (not unedited anyway). They also offer you the ability to edit/correct tags. They have thought about it, for the stupendous money they charge you would expect them to have done so. I'm thinking the Cyrus/arcam/Naim products. These are not generic dlna products. But the entry cost is ridiculously high for these systems... -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > They made room for sonos.. and each established manufacturer's HDD based > system. (Presumably all based off one supplier's chipsets and software > underneath.) The slick UI and integration of ripping and archival into > the stack helps make it a far more compelling option for most people > than the LMS approach. > > Roon i dont know much about, will take a look though, sounds > interesting. >From what I can gather LMS is one of the few music streaming systems that even attempts to manage one's music library, most of the other music streaming devices simply rely on third party music library management or brain dead mobile apps. While those "solutions" may be okay for the average user with a relatively small music collections (maybe a couple of hundred albums) for large music collections these solutions are pretty much useless, hence the need for software like Roon. As for "automatic" ripping and tagging - no thank you since these rely on the information available on the internet, which is very often incorrect or at least not the way one may prefer. Since I carefully tag or retag all music in my library I don't want some app retagging my music with incorrect information. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
pablolie wrote: > That is VERY cool. That is a major thing I miss with my library. I spent > many hours scanning the album notes so I had as much info as possible, > but of course picking the .PDFs is totally outside of LMS - it'd be > awesome to be able to get the notes along the active playlist... What do you mean by "picking the .PDFs is totally outside of LMS " ? Have a look at http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99537-Announce-Music-amp-Artist-Information-plugin=757041=1#post757041 , Michael went on to include .pdf files as long as they are in the same folder as the tracks, but some files can be up the tree as the plugin assumes a structure of Artist / album / track. So a file called bio.pdf would be in the Artist folder and will be displayed under "Local Artwork". Now, a suggestion as to how Local Artwork can be automagicly displayed ... A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Seen sprayed on the outside wall of the local library - Three things I hate in life : 1. Vandalism 2. Irony 3. Lists Wirrunna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
They made room for sonos.. that's all that exists really. Sad, but true. It's more slick, less featured, and more expensive. Roon i dont know much about, and intend to look at. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > From a business bottom line point of view it would only have been a > mistake if they lost sales as a result, but Logitech voluntarily dropped > the whole platform, hardware and software. I am extortionately glad they > didn't pull the LMS software from the world as may have been their right > (didn't check the license agreement), but they didn't lose sales from > leaving it out there. It's been well over 10 years since the original Squeezebox was introduced and so far other than online music streaming services no one has been come up with a music streaming system for use in one's home that functions any better than the Squeezebox system. Right now it would appear that Roon may evolve into a workable alternative to LMS but not any of those DLNA based systems. Logitech, not knowing quite how far ahead of its time LMS was and still remains, most definitely dropped the ball when they killed the Squeezebox line. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
>From a business bottom line point of view it would only have been a mistake if they lost sales as a result, but Logitech voluntarily dropped the whole platform, hardware and software. I am extortionately glad they didn't pull the LMS software from the world as may have been their right (didn't check the license agreement), but they didn't lose sales from leaving it out there. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
pablolie wrote: > ".. One major difference: roon is not free after trial. .." > > I always thought it a big commercial mistake that SlimDevices gave away > the software for free. I for one would have paid for major releases, and > I think that would have ultimately made the company more successful long > term. Arguably it is the software that is far more valuable... Giving away the software was in hindsight perhaps a mistake but imo they did so because they thought that very few people would pay for software that was (and to an extent still is) difficult to install and configure if you aren't IT literate to start with. If you follow the posts on these forums (which I know you do) you still see people popping up saying they are using 7.7.x and haven't a clue about where to find 7.9 or how to install it. Those people bought in because of their love of music and all credit to SlimDevices/Logitech what they bought has pretty much worked without issue for a decade. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
".. One major difference: roon is not free after trial. .." I always thought it a big commercial mistake that SlimDevices gave away the software for free. I for one would have paid for major releases, and I think that would have ultimately made the company more successful long term. Arguably it is the software that is far more valuable... ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
My guess, in ten years time. I suspect those that care about quality (an ever dwindling audience) will continue to hoard media and their own fileset. The rest of the world will realise that iTunes or Spotify or tidal is good enough and the stream (aka personal radio station) will become the norm. end points will all be IP based and actually I think individual phones will be the player source, via either Bluetooth or airplay or some as-yet-undefined media playback system. It's perfect: you sit in your car listening to cached streams on your phone, you get home and the same stream picks up again onto your house system, following you from room to room automatically. Almost all devices will have built-in endpoints anyway. There will be NO room for differentiation of products because it will all be tied to the interface dictated by your chosen streaming service. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
garym wrote: > No problem. I had all those same questions. And once again, a big thank you for your detailed answers. We now return this thread to it's original topic. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
ralphpnj wrote: > Gary, thank you for responding to my tedious questions. I really don't > want to derail this thread by turning it into a thread about Roon > but. > > I do have a few more questions and comments. > > Regarding the "secondary" background scan: 1) is the replaygain > defeatable since I don't use it nor do I intend to use it any time soon. > 2) Is it during this background scan when Roon locates and builds the > database with all the album/song information and generates the various > links? > > As for the database size, I would guess that the final Roon database > would end up being 3 to 4 times the size of the LMS database. > > And finally, can Roon be used/controlled from other devices (computers, > tablets, smartphones, etc.) within the local network and will Roon > provide the same information and links as when accessed from the > computer that Roon is actually running on? > > Again I apologize for hijacking this thread and asking all these > questions. Perhaps a little background information about my setup would > help to explain my concerns. I have a Windows 10 computer that I use as > the LMS server. This computer along with the external hard drives that > contain all my music files is used only as an LMS server. On all my > other computers and devices I use various programs (Moose, Muso, iPeng, > Orange Squeeze, etc.) to access LMS and control the Squeezebox players > in my home. So if Roon's fancy database can only be accessed from the > same computer that Roon is running on then it would be a non-starter for > me. In addition I have a much larger music library and I am concerned > about Roon's ability handle a library of this size. No problem. I had all those same questions. 1. secondary background scan. The detailed info, connections, data etc. is in the first (shorter) scan. The second scan is mostly the RG (R128) scan. The RG use can be turned off. It now works just like LMS (based on my suggestion to Roon it seems). That is, one can have RG (volume normalize is what roon calls it) turned OFF, turned to use TRACK, turned to use ALBUM, or turned to use AUTO (if adjacent tracks are from same album it uses ALBUM values, if from different albums it uses TRACK values. This is what SMART GAIN in LMS does. (also, one has the option to tell Roon to use the RG tag info instead of the info created by the Roon scan) 2. Yes, Roon can be controlled from almost anything else on the same network. The core runs on a computer (windows, mac, linux). The control of Roon can be from that same computer or a different computer on the same network, or an ipad, iphone, android, etc. I control Roon running on a headless linux server from my windows laptop or my ipad. 3. Based on reports on the Roon forums, there are a number of people with 500,000+ libraries that use Roon happily. 4. You didn't ask, but Roon works well with perfect sync between different endpoints or can play different things to different endpoints. There are "roon ready" endpoints (purchased or simply a DIY pi microcomputer, etc.). And Roon software can turn Squeezeboxes and SONOS into Roon Endpoints as well. Roon just released 1.3, a major revision. It works well. It is early in its life and on its forum, it is more like the old days of slimdevices. Lots of interaction with the developers and founders of the company. One major difference: roon is not free after trial. And just to be clear, I'm not a roon fanboy pushing it on the slimdevices forum. I still mostly use my LMS and squeezeboxes. Roon is very nice and works well. But for my day to day use, I (and my wife) use lots of podcast listening and internet radio listening. Roon is way behind on this. It recently added internet radio (in a sorta clunky waymanually add URLs) and doesn't deal with things like podcast apps, etc. In fact, the only services it can access are TIDAL (which have a deep metadata integration with Roon). But for music collection listening it really is nice. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
garym wrote: > 1. with 95,094 tracks, from scratch it takes about an hour to scan > library (about the same as LMS for me). At this point the music is > playable. But after this, it does an additional scan in the background > to create its own R128 (replaygain) values (both album and track) and > generate wave form info. It takes about 24 hours to complete this task > in the background. (this 2nd scan only happens one time unless you > manually delete the database to start over...only new additions are > scanned for this additional info, although if you change anything about > the file (tags, etc.) it is rescanned by Roon just in case there has > been some change. > > 2. hmmm, not sure. The database it creates on my computer (which can be > backed up and restored) is 3.46GB (this doesn't include my music files, > only the roon database) > > 3. equally responsive as LMS on both a i7 windows machine and an i5 > linux machine. Gary, thank you for responding to my tedious questions. I really don't want to derail this thread by turning it into a thread about Roon but. I do have a few more questions and comments. Regarding the "secondary" background scan: 1) is the replaygain defeatable since I don't use it nor do I intend to use it any time soon. 2) Is it during this background scan when Roon locates and builds the database with all the album/song information and generates the various links? As for the database size, I would guess that the final Roon database would end up being 3 to 4 times the size of the LMS database. And finally, can Roon be used/controlled from other devices (computers, tablets, smartphones, etc.) within the local network and will Roon provide the same information and links as when accessed from the computer that Roon is actually running on? Again I apologize for hijacking this thread and asking all these questions. Perhaps a little background information about my setup would help to explain my concerns. I have a Windows 10 computer that I use as the LMS server. This computer along with the external hard drives that contain all my music files is used only as an LMS server. On all my other computers and devices I use various programs (Moose, Muso, iPeng, Orange Squeeze, etc.) to access LMS and control the Squeezebox players in my home. So if Roon's fancy database can only be accessed from the same computer that Roon is running on then it would be a non-starter for me. In addition I have a much larger music library and I am concerned about Roon's ability handle a library of this size. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Julf wrote: > > > So forget optical. Forget audio cables (even Belkin was displaying their > cat5/6/7 cabling systems). It will all be over IP, and using common > protocols (instead of the current multitude of proprietary solution), > but all a bit too oriented towards "lifestyle". So like Squeezebox then. Talk about ahead of its time. doctor_big's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
To try to answer the original posting - I spent yesterday at ISE2017 - Integrated Systems Europe, one of the largest AV trade fairs in Europe. It filled pretty much the whole RAI exhibition centre, but only one hall was Audio. Even Harman International were mostly promoting their smart retail store concepts. Everything was digital. Audio-over-IP (AES67, AES70) seems a big thing, but audio is definitely seen as just one of the many integrated "smart living" components. I had a bit of overload of Jetsons-like solutions to run my life. So forget optical. Forget audio cables (even Belkin was displaying their cat5/6/7 cabling systems). It will all be over IP, and using common protocols (instead of the current multitude of proprietary solution), but all too oriented towards "lifestyle". "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
ralphpnj wrote: > Gary i have a few quick questions about Roon: > > 1) How long does Roon take to scan one's music library as compared to > LMS? > > 2) How much larger is Roon's database as compared to LMS? > > and 3) How responsive is Roon as compared to LMS? 1. with 95,094 tracks, from scratch it takes about an hour to scan library (about the same as LMS for me). At this point the music is playable. But after this, it does an additional scan in the background to create its own R128 (replaygain) values (both album and track) and generate wave form info. It takes about 24 hours to complete this task in the background. 2. hmmm, not sure. The database it creates on my computer (which can be backed up and restored) is 3.46GB (this doesn't include my music files, only the roon database) 3. equally responsive as LMS on both a i7 windows machine and an i7 linux machine. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
d6jg wrote: > On the integration front I can see the benefit of Roon but I'd only ever > want it via an iPad app - preferably built in to iPeng - I don't want to > have to have a PC on to access the data. The ipad app for Roon works nicely and shows all this info and is easy to navigate. the iphone app not so well (it is good for controlling playback, etc, but not good for browsing all this good info). *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
pablolie wrote: > ... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, > someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision > an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... > > - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV > - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs > - Built-in but bypassable room correction That's a great idea Pablolie. I would also suggest the idea of LMS supporting MULTICHANNEL to stream through that HDMI interface :-). And make that room correction DSP powerful enough to handle the multichannel data in 24/96! Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs - Built-in but bypassable room correction ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Apesbrain wrote: > "Correcting" my two listening rooms is the most interesting and > meaningful thing I've recently done with my Squeezebox system. I spent > $75 for a UMIK-1 calibrated microphone and downloaded the free REW > measurement suite. Implemented 3-4 parametric equalizer filters in each > room using SoX and custom-convert.conf. Whole thing took me under an > hour per room. I did listen to a friend's corrected room. I had been there before, and the huge glass surfaces overlooking a very scenic view were not gentle on the presentation. Despite a huge expense, it was tinny and indistinct and ethereally placed. He knew it. He introduction room correction, and the Bill Evans Trio was resurrected... His space is huge and glassy and challenging. I think my room is very optimal, plus I am single and no one can dictate my placement choices :) hence when I experimented, I heard some improvements but also felt staging and layering collapsed, even though some bass became more accurate. I went back and forth and kept the uncorrected, yet diligently placed option. I have no doubt room correction is the one single thing that is imminent in my audio future. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Interesting discussion about Roon. I've thought about getting that at times for the simple reason of the expanded database and info. It would be interesting to know more about the recording and artists, but I'm so-so about the trivia aspect of music info, as in the drummer on this album played on another album and that saxophonist got sick during another recording in 1962 and threw up. For the most part, I'm content to hear the music that is being played at the moment. This seems like a good moment to make a reading reommendation. My son put me on to a book by Lace Clayton (AKA DJ Rupture) called "Uproot -- Travels in the 21st Century Music and Digital Culture". While I have a limited appreciation of much the the music under discussion, it is a fascinating insight into everything from MP3s, Autotune and FruityLoop software to Congolese and Berber music from Africa, Cumbia Sonidara and pre-Hispanic Tribal music from Mexico and so on, along with some interesting comments on the business aspects of the music industry. Can't say I'll keep it as a re-read or reference book, but was certainly an interesting read. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
My limited experience with room correction is comprised of the Audessy DSP in my Marantz HTR. it came with a microphone and a cardboard stand which a set up in the primary listening position and ran the set up. Based on how much better the surround sound sounds compared with the older Marantz that the new one replaced, I would say microphone based set up with a DSP is the way to go. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
pablolie wrote: > Room correction. I have experimented with it. Not yet sold on existing > solutions. Call me old fashioned. Maybe I lucked out with my current > room. But I am sure it'll get there and make a huge difference. mlsstl wrote: > I've tried digital room correction and it didn't really change things > much or really seem worth the effort. Maybe I'm like you and am fairly > lucky to already have decent acoustics. "Correcting" my two listening rooms is the most interesting and meaningful thing I've recently done with my Squeezebox system. I spent $75 for a UMIK-1 calibrated microphone and downloaded the free REW measurement suite. Implemented 3-4 parametric equalizer filters in each room using SoX and custom-convert.conf. Whole thing took me under an hour per room. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs - Built-in but bypassable room correction ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
On the integration front I can see the benefit of Roon but I'd only ever want it via an iPad app - preferably built in to iPeng - I don't want to have to have a PC on to access the data. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
garym wrote: > This is one of the nice things about Roon (that I've trialed). The UI > on an album or song has a tremendous amount of info at your fingertips. > I see the atist, composer, etc. It shows me other albums the artist or > composer appears on, other artists that have done the same song, etc. > Too much to list. And all accessible by clicks. I learn cool stuff. For > example, I'm playing the first YES album from 1969, and then it is > showing me that the track "I see You" was composed by Crosby and McGuinn > and also appears in my library on the Byrds Box set from 1998 (and if I > click on this, it takes me to play that track on the Byrds album). > None of this is critical to my listening, but the showing of all the > various connections in my library is kinda cool. Gary i have a few quick questions about Roon: 1) How long does Roon take to scan one's music library as compared to LMS? 2) How much larger is Roon's database as compared to LMS? and 3) How responsive is Roon as compared to LMS? Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
I knew there'd be great replies here. I can't agree more about keeping relying on Amazon, iTunes or Spotify as guardians of my music collection. I have bought video on Amazon outright, only to see it disappear when the studio and Amazon have a spat - often permanently. And did Amazon notify me or reimburse me? Of course not. Active speakers - indeed. Perfect matching is the key... That's one thing I like about Hypex modules - they provide tight control over a wide range of loudspeakers. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
garym wrote: > For example, if I click on the "Miles Ahead" album, it pulls up the > basic info and tracks, etc. Then I click on credits and it gives me all > sorts of info on who played, etc. My pics don't do a good job of > capturing the actual interface, which is full screen, but you get the > idea. And you can click on anything (the bass player for example) and > it will take me to a list of tracks/albums that that person is also > associated with. You can get lost for hours on this stuff! > That is VERY cool. That is a major thing I miss with my library. I spent many hours scanning the album notes so I had as much info as possible, but of course picking the .PDFs is totally outside of LMS - it'd be awesome to be able to get the notes along the active playlist... ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
For example, if I click on the "Miles Ahead" album, it pulls up the basic info and tracks, etc. Then I click on credits and it gives me all sorts of info on who played, etc. My pics don't do a good job of capturing the actual interface, which is full screen, but you get the idea. And you can click on anything (the bass player for example) and it will take me to a list of tracks/albums that that person is also associated with. You can get lost for hours on this stuff! 22079 22080 +---+ |Filename: CropperCapture[2].jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22080| +---+ *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
ralphpnj wrote: > > The integration of various kinds of information about a recording within > a music app will continue to improve so that in the future when > listening to a given piece of music one will , hopefully, be able to > quickly access all of the this information and fully explore the related > music. Think hyperlinks but in a musically relevant kind of way. For > example when listening to a Miles Davis track, one will easily be able > to explore music by any of the musicians playing on the track along with > other music from the same time period, all via a few simple clicks. This is one of the nice things about Roon (that I've trialed). The UI on an album or song has a tremendous amount of info at your fingertips. I see the atist, composer, etc. It shows me other albums the artist or composer appears on, other artists that have done the same song, etc. Too much to list. And all accessible by clicks. I learn cool stuff. For example, I'm playing the first YES album from 1969, and then it is showing me that the track "I see You" was composed by Crosby and McGuinn and also appears in my library on the Byrds Box set from 1998 (and if I click on this, it takes me to play that track on the Byrds album). None of this is critical to my listening, but the showing of all the various connections in my library is kinda cool. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
My two cents: binaural recording or similar techniques for audio and video. Not room correction, but "bubbles of sound" or similar immersive systems. Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6 mit Tapatalk Current setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > Pro-Ject DAC Box E > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), 2 *Radios* (guest bathroom and garden deck), *RPi3 + LibreELEC + XSqueeze* > Samsung TV > NAD L53 > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Touch* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
My two cents: Room correction and DSP along with "one box" powered speakers will slowly become the norm. Internet based music streaming will soon become the disaster that internet based video streaming has become. The simple reason for this is that all the big content providers HATE streaming and are actively doing their best to destroy streaming. See mlsstl's comments about Netflix below. Therefore I will continue to maintain my own personal music library. Thanks to apps like iPeng, along with remote streaming, I can stream my personal music collection without the restrictions and limitations imposed by paid music streaming services. Thanks to bluetooth, which is NOT high resolution but still sound great to the average listener, high resolution audio will die a swift and painful death. And it can't happen soon enough! As stated above, the use of powered "one box" speakers will continue to grow and along with improved DSP this will become the high end audio of the future. The integration of various kinds of information about a recording within a music app will continue to improve so that in the future when listening to a given piece of music one will , hopefully, be able to quickly access all of the this information and fully explore the related music. Think hyperlinks but in a musically relevant kind of way. For example when listening to a Miles Davis track, one will easily be able to explore music by any of the musicians playing on the track along with other music from the same time period, all via a few simple clicks. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Interesting topic. Hard to see the future, but I don't see things changing much for me. 1. I've tried digital room correction and it didn't really change things much or really seem worth the effort. Maybe I'm like you and am fairly lucky to already have decent acoustics. 2. Music library -- I like streaming for background music, but for whatever reason, when I'm listening seriously, I use my own collection. I only listen seriously when I'm at home. I only ever listen casually when I'm in the car or out and about. I'm sure streaming to phones and car systems will continue to improve, but doubt that there is any revolution waiting for me in that. Plus, I have a basic distrust of streaming and leaving others responsible for my collection. As a long time Netflix user, I can't tell you how many movies and shows that I like have disappeared due to copyright and contract negotiation issues. They are simply unreliable in that regard and I don't see that ever really changing as long as royalties drive the commercial music world. 3. I see no looming change in audio quality. The driving factor there has always been fad and fashion in the recording industry. That has always far outweighed the potential of the medium, IMO. 4. I'm sure speakers will continue to improve, but the ones I have right now are great for my listening. And, if the currently available industry products are any indication, pomp and pretense will continue to be more important than actual sound quality. 5. I'm pretty happy with my Squeezebox and tablet interface. I easily find the music I like when I want something. I can see interfaces getting prettier, and the background maintenance a bit more idiot-proof with time, but I'm pretty happy right now. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
