Re: [Aus-soaring] ClearNav Vario version 3.6 is now available.

2017-04-18 Thread Jim Staniforth 

Macker: Czech you're spill chequer.
  It's Rex Mayes.
Yes, CNv version 3.6.2 works nicely.
Jim


-- Original Message --
From: "Ian Mc Phee" 
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 


Sent: 4/18/2017 9:49:07 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] ClearNav Vario version 3.6 is now available.

I am loosing track of owners as gliders change hands but this is just 
ajust a reminder to ClearNav vario users version 3.6 of software came 
out in March.


David Masson from UK does the software updates and is always thinking 
of small improvements. Any suggestions are welcome.


If still using the TE probe for compensation then I would recommend 
trying the electronic compensation all done from the front screen (100% 
and an X through a drawing of the TE probe). It really does work well 
and is usually superior to the TE probe.


Also recently Rex Maize of Williams Soaring in CA has taken over 
ownership of ClearNav Instruments. Thanks to Jim Staniforth I have had 
good dealings with Re over the years. He plans to add YouTube videos on 
using the instruments similar to cumulus soaring ones.


Ian McPhee
0428847642
Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481

PS to  Cambridge 302 users I would also recommend the electronic TE but 
it is necessary on back of instrument remove and block off the TE line 
coming to 302 , then T the TE and static on back of instrument are T ed 
together.




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Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Richard Frawley 
yes, its still an issue, RF is RF





> On 19 Apr 2017, at 3:00 pm, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:
> 
> May or may not be relevant in this case but in past GPS aerials placed near 
> each other can cause issues. They can cross talk to each other.  The 
> recommended fix was to keep aerials 20cm to 25cm apart or fit a splitter 
> coming from the GPS aerial. 
> 
> I must admit it is a while since I have seen that issue.  
> 
> Ian McPhee 
> 0428847642 
> Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481 
> 
> On 19 Apr 2017 11:29 am, "Richard Frawley"  > wrote:
> I thought of saying that as well but then thought better of it :-)
> 
> I love my hypocrisy in a cup with cream and sugar
> 
> On 19 Apr 2017, at 10:42 am, Paul Bart  > wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm, and the incessant bashing of GFA and club structure does?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 Apr 2017 9:39 am, "Mark Newton" > > wrote:
>> Can we not do this again, people?  Perhaps take it to private email, it’s 
>> not reflecting well on anyone in public.
>> 
>>   - mark
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 Apr 2017, at 4:07 AM, Nathan Frawley > > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "The unit was returned some time later after apparently being tested. "
>>> 
>>> Wow.
>>> 
>>> I find your implication that we would lie about testing and doing our due 
>>> diligence appallingly rude, unfounded, and ill-informed.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Ian Mc Phee 
May or may not be relevant in this case but in past GPS aerials placed near
each other can cause issues. They can cross talk to each other.  The
recommended fix was to keep aerials 20cm to 25cm apart or fit a splitter
coming from the GPS aerial.

I must admit it is a while since I have seen that issue.

Ian McPhee
0428847642
Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481

On 19 Apr 2017 11:29 am, "Richard Frawley"  wrote:

> I thought of saying that as well but then thought better of it :-)
>
> I love my hypocrisy in a cup with cream and sugar
>
> On 19 Apr 2017, at 10:42 am, Paul Bart  wrote:
>
> Hmmm, and the incessant bashing of GFA and club structure does?
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 Apr 2017 9:39 am, "Mark Newton"  wrote:
>
> Can we not do this again, people?  Perhaps take it to private email, it’s
> not reflecting well on anyone in public.
>
>   - mark
>
>
> On 19 Apr 2017, at 4:07 AM, Nathan Frawley 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> "The unit was returned some time later after apparently being tested. "
>
> Wow.
>
> I find your implication that we would lie about testing and doing our due
> diligence appallingly rude, unfounded, and ill-informed.
>
>
>
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[Aus-soaring] ClearNav Vario version 3.6 is now available.

2017-04-18 Thread Ian Mc Phee 
I am loosing track of owners as gliders change hands but this is just ajust
a reminder to ClearNav vario users version 3.6 of software came out in
March.

David Masson from UK does the software updates and is always thinking of
small improvements. Any suggestions are welcome.

If still using the TE probe for compensation then I would recommend trying
the electronic compensation all done from the front screen (100% and an X
through a drawing of the TE probe). It really does work well and is usually
superior to the TE probe.

Also recently Rex Maize of Williams Soaring in CA has taken over ownership
of ClearNav Instruments. Thanks to Jim Staniforth I have had good dealings
with Re over the years. He plans to add YouTube videos on using the
instruments similar to cumulus soaring ones.

Ian McPhee
0428847642
Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481

PS to  Cambridge 302 users I would also recommend the electronic TE but it
is necessary on back of instrument remove and block off the TE line coming
to 302 , then T the TE and static on back of instrument are T ed together.
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Richard Frawley 
I thought of saying that as well but then thought better of it :-)

I love my hypocrisy in a cup with cream and sugar

> On 19 Apr 2017, at 10:42 am, Paul Bart  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm, and the incessant bashing of GFA and club structure does?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> On 19 Apr 2017 9:39 am, "Mark Newton"  wrote:
> Can we not do this again, people?  Perhaps take it to private email, it’s not 
> reflecting well on anyone in public.
> 
>   - mark
> 
> 
>> On 19 Apr 2017, at 4:07 AM, Nathan Frawley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "The unit was returned some time later after apparently being tested. "
>> 
>> Wow.
>> 
>> I find your implication that we would lie about testing and doing our due 
>> diligence appallingly rude, unfounded, and ill-informed.
> 
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Paul Bart 
Hmmm, and the incessant bashing of GFA and club structure does?

Cheers

Paul


On 19 Apr 2017 9:39 am, "Mark Newton"  wrote:

Can we not do this again, people?  Perhaps take it to private email, it’s
not reflecting well on anyone in public.

  - mark


On 19 Apr 2017, at 4:07 AM, Nathan Frawley 
wrote:





"The unit was returned some time later after apparently being tested. "

Wow.

I find your implication that we would lie about testing and doing our due
diligence appallingly rude, unfounded, and ill-informed.




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Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Mark Newton 
Can we not do this again, people?  Perhaps take it to private email, it’s not 
reflecting well on anyone in public.

  - mark


On 19 Apr 2017, at 4:07 AM, Nathan Frawley  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "The unit was returned some time later after apparently being tested. "
> 
> Wow.
> 
> I find your implication that we would lie about testing and doing our due 
> diligence appallingly rude, unfounded, and ill-informed.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Nathan Frawley 
"The unit was returned some time later after apparently being tested. "

Wow.

I find your implication that we would lie about testing and doing our due
diligence appallingly rude, unfounded, and ill-informed.

Richard's continuing support in the matter, above, is testament to how
seriously we take these kinds of problems.

Nathan Frawley



On 18 April 2017 at 19:22, Richard Frawley  wrote:

> Simon,
>
> No one is not standing by the customer. In fact, we were good enough to
> levy no charge despite the fact that a significant amount of time was spent
> on trying to figure out what was going on. As such, your last comment feels
> a bit inappropriate.
>
> If you run the logs on the on line Flarm range tester you can see that
> other units were being observed with the range also being indicated.
>
> As I don't have access to the complete set up, I am left to make
> suggestions to help you track down the problem. It is always easier if the
> entire set up can be sent to me so I can investigate the whole system
> rather than a component.
>
> You are welcome to send me the whole system and I am more than happy to
> check it out. However, I must warn you that the failure rate on displays is
> near nil. If they are not working then in nearly 100% of the cases they
> have failed due to incorrect voltage being applied. This is something we
> can test for.
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Apr 2017, at 6:55 pm, Simon Rammelt  wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply Richard.
>
> As I said the units I am referring to belong to friends my own unit is an
> original OZ Flarm and is in perfect working condition.
>
> But as I was on hand to observe both installations being tested. In both
> cases when the known good unit was fitted the *DISPLAY *showed targets
> near and far. So if you say that the RF side is OK then perhaps the problem
> resides in the display driver side. Both installations used the LX LED
> display and were also connected to Oudie.
>
> The unit that you tested would have flown on may occasions with up to 20
> gliders in the air. I will ask the owner to let me look at flight logs and
> compare those to our Ditto Log to find more specific instances.
>
> In any case I am sure you are dealing with at least two faulty units and
> in the interest of good customer relations you should stand by the product
> you sell.
>
> Simon Rammelt
>
> On 18/04/2017 12:06 PM, Chris Woolley wrote:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Looks like Richard didn't read your email completely before replying.
> "Have you checked the display device? That could be culprit or not set up
> properly."
> When you clearly said "This weekend we proved the installation in both
> gliders. Targets were detected when the known good flarm mouse was
> installed..."
>
> Regards
> Chris
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au 
> ] On Behalf
> Of Richard Frawley
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 April 2017 7:43 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Cc: LXNAV Info; supp...@flarm.com
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles
>
> Simon,
>
> You assessment of the analysis is perhaps putting forward an incomplete or
> incorrect picture.
>
> The Flarm unit was tested and all specifications including RF output and
> receive sensitivity were checked to be within specification. The unit was
> also detecting a reference unit nearby.
>
> It should be noted that you were not charged for this work.
>
> On this, I have copied both Flarm and LXNAV.
>
> Additionally, your flight traces were sent to LXNAV for analysis and it was
> seen from those traces that the Flarm is detecting other aircraft.
>
> Have you checked the display device? That could be culprit or not set up
> properly.
>
> May I suggest that you send in the complete system and I will evaluate.
> However if a fault is found, normal repair charges will be levied.
>
> Regards
>
> Richard Frawley
> Swift Avionics
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Apr 2017, at 6:25 am, Simon Rammelt  
>  wrote:
>
> Hi all two friends of mine are having problems with flarm mice that will
>
> not detect targets. They have both tested their installations using another
> flarm mouse that has been proven to work in flight.
>
> One friend recently sent his unit back to the Australian agent telling
>
> them the specific problems he was having. The unit was returned some time
> later after apparently being tested. After reinstalling the unit it was
> still not picking up targets.
>
> The agents have been blaming everything except the unit for the failure to
>
> detect targets. This weekend we proved the installation in both gliders.
> Targets were detected when the known good flarm mouse was installed using
> the same wiring and in both cases an aftermarket antenna (the factory one
> proved inadequate even on the working unit). Immediately afterwards and
> without change the faulty units were reinstalled and no targets were
> detected. All three units were running

Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Richard Frawley 
Simon,

No one is not standing by the customer. In fact, we were good enough to levy no 
charge despite the fact that a significant amount of time was spent on trying 
to figure out what was going on. As such, your last comment feels a bit 
inappropriate.

If you run the logs on the on line Flarm range tester you can see that other 
units were being observed with the range also being indicated.

As I don't have access to the complete set up, I am left to make suggestions to 
help you track down the problem. It is always easier if the entire set up can 
be sent to me so I can investigate the whole system rather than a component.

You are welcome to send me the whole system and I am more than happy to check 
it out. However, I must warn you that the failure rate on displays is near nil. 
If they are not working then in nearly 100% of the cases they have failed due 
to incorrect voltage being applied. This is something we can test for.

Regards

Richard







> On 18 Apr 2017, at 6:55 pm, Simon Rammelt  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your reply Richard. 
> As I said the units I am referring to belong to friends my own unit is an 
> original OZ Flarm and is in perfect working condition. 
> But as I was on hand to observe both installations being tested. In both 
> cases when the known good unit was fitted the DISPLAY showed targets near and 
> far. So if you say that the RF side is OK then perhaps the problem resides in 
> the display driver side. Both installations used the LX LED display and were 
> also connected to Oudie.
> 
> The unit that you tested would have flown on may occasions with up to 20 
> gliders in the air. I will ask the owner to let me look at flight logs and 
> compare those to our Ditto Log to find more specific instances.
> 
> In any case I am sure you are dealing with at least two faulty units and in 
> the interest of good customer relations you should stand by the product you 
> sell.
> 
> Simon Rammelt
> 
>> On 18/04/2017 12:06 PM, Chris Woolley wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> Looks like Richard didn't read your email completely before replying.
>> "Have you checked the display device? That could be culprit or not set up
>> properly."
>> When you clearly said "This weekend we proved the installation in both
>> gliders. Targets were detected when the known good flarm mouse was
>> installed..."
>> 
>> Regards
>> Chris
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Frawley
>> Sent: Tuesday, 18 April 2017 7:43 AM
>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
>> Cc: LXNAV Info; supp...@flarm.com
>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles
>> 
>> Simon,
>> 
>> You assessment of the analysis is perhaps putting forward an incomplete or
>> incorrect picture. 
>> 
>> The Flarm unit was tested and all specifications including RF output and
>> receive sensitivity were checked to be within specification. The unit was
>> also detecting a reference unit nearby.
>> 
>> It should be noted that you were not charged for this work.
>> 
>> On this, I have copied both Flarm and LXNAV.
>> 
>> Additionally, your flight traces were sent to LXNAV for analysis and it was
>> seen from those traces that the Flarm is detecting other aircraft.
>> 
>> Have you checked the display device? That could be culprit or not set up
>> properly. 
>> 
>> May I suggest that you send in the complete system and I will evaluate.
>> However if a fault is found, normal repair charges will be levied.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Richard Frawley
>> Swift Avionics 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On 18 Apr 2017, at 6:25 am, Simon Rammelt  wrote:
 
 Hi all two friends of mine are having problems with flarm mice that will
>>> not detect targets. They have both tested their installations using another
>>> flarm mouse that has been proven to work in flight.
>>> One friend recently sent his unit back to the Australian agent telling
>> them the specific problems he was having. The unit was returned some time
>> later after apparently being tested. After reinstalling the unit it was
>> still not picking up targets.
>>> The agents have been blaming everything except the unit for the failure to
>> detect targets. This weekend we proved the installation in both gliders.
>> Targets were detected when the known good flarm mouse was installed using
>> the same wiring and in both cases an aftermarket antenna (the factory one
>> proved inadequate even on the working unit). Immediately afterwards and
>> without change the faulty units were reinstalled and no targets were
>> detected. All three units were running the same firmware version 6.09 and
>> all settings were the same.
>>> Is anyone else experiencing similar problems?
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Simon
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Justin Couch 

On 18/04/2017 6:25 AM, Simon Rammelt wrote:

Hi all two friends of mine are having problems with flarm mice that will
not detect targets. They have both tested their installations using
another flarm mouse that has been proven to work in flight.


[snip]


Is anyone else experiencing similar problems?


In my club we have 12 FLARMs (9 gliders, 3 tugs) and there's about 
another half a dozen private gliders around our club that I do some or 
all of the maintenance on. We have probably one of every model ever made 
- Oz/MiniFLARMs, RedBox, Mouse, PowerFlarm etc . We have absolutely no 
end of trouble with the them. Some will stop transmitting or receiving 
yet the power on self tests come up, others just don't bother to start 
up etc etc. I swear that pretty much every weekend I'm chasing up yet 
another problem with the @*%&^$ things.


Out of the problems encountered, about 30% are due to aerial/GPS 
connections, 50% are display to FLARM issues (club members mashing on 
the mode button changing baud rates etc) and the rest just random stuff 
like hardware failures or software/config corruption. I would put an 
educated guess that the problem is on your end with the display or 
cables running to it from the FLARM rather than the hardware of the 
device itself.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Simon Rammelt 

Thanks for your reply Richard.

As I said the units I am referring to belong to friends my own unit is 
an original OZ Flarm and is in perfect working condition.


But as I was on hand to observe both installations being tested. In both 
cases when the known good unit was fitted the _DISPLAY _showed targets 
near and far. So if you say that the RF side is OK then perhaps the 
problem resides in the display driver side. Both installations used the 
LX LED display and were also connected to Oudie.


The unit that you tested would have flown on may occasions with up to 20 
gliders in the air. I will ask the owner to let me look at flight logs 
and compare those to our Ditto Log to find more specific instances.


In any case I am sure you are dealing with at least two faulty units and 
in the interest of good customer relations you should stand by the 
product you sell.


Simon Rammelt


On 18/04/2017 12:06 PM, Chris Woolley wrote:

Hi Simon,

Looks like Richard didn't read your email completely before replying.
"Have you checked the display device? That could be culprit or not set up
properly."
When you clearly said "This weekend we proved the installation in both
gliders. Targets were detected when the known good flarm mouse was
installed..."

Regards
Chris

-Original Message-
From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf
Of Richard Frawley
Sent: Tuesday, 18 April 2017 7:43 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Cc: LXNAV Info; supp...@flarm.com
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles

Simon,

You assessment of the analysis is perhaps putting forward an incomplete or
incorrect picture.

The Flarm unit was tested and all specifications including RF output and
receive sensitivity were checked to be within specification. The unit was
also detecting a reference unit nearby.

It should be noted that you were not charged for this work.

On this, I have copied both Flarm and LXNAV.

Additionally, your flight traces were sent to LXNAV for analysis and it was
seen from those traces that the Flarm is detecting other aircraft.

Have you checked the display device? That could be culprit or not set up
properly.

May I suggest that you send in the complete system and I will evaluate.
However if a fault is found, normal repair charges will be levied.

Regards

Richard Frawley
Swift Avionics












On 18 Apr 2017, at 6:25 am, Simon Rammelt  wrote:

Hi all two friends of mine are having problems with flarm mice that will

not detect targets. They have both tested their installations using another
flarm mouse that has been proven to work in flight.

One friend recently sent his unit back to the Australian agent telling

them the specific problems he was having. The unit was returned some time
later after apparently being tested. After reinstalling the unit it was
still not picking up targets.

The agents have been blaming everything except the unit for the failure to

detect targets. This weekend we proved the installation in both gliders.
Targets were detected when the known good flarm mouse was installed using
the same wiring and in both cases an aftermarket antenna (the factory one
proved inadequate even on the working unit). Immediately afterwards and
without change the faulty units were reinstalled and no targets were
detected. All three units were running the same firmware version 6.09 and
all settings were the same.

Is anyone else experiencing similar problems?

Cheers

Simon

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Al Borowski

2017-04-18 Thread Mike Borgelt 


Al send me an email privately, please.

Regards

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