Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock?
The matter was finished for me. Some people just assumed everything about the flight was illegal. For what it worth , the W+B was checked and all ok , nothing was illegal, the matter was investigated by the Powers to be. And the only finding was a dumbass command pilot. Ben - Original Message - From: Dave Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock? Hi Ben, I wouldn't say any more about this as the hole you've dug for yourself is getting deeper and deeper.. Cheers, Dave - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] It helps to remove the rudder lock during pre-flight, it was ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock?
At 08:08 PM 19/06/2008, you wrote: The matter was finished for me. Some people just assumed everything about the flight was illegal. For what it worth , the W+B was checked and all ok , nothing was illegal, the matter was investigated by the Powers to be. And the only finding was a dumbass command pilot. Ben Hopefully nobody made a new rule - like two signatures to say that the control locks were removed. And you learned not to fly with somebody more stupid/careless/braver than you regardless of their qualifications. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock?
- Original Message - From: Texler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] It helps to remove the rudder lock during pre-flight, it was discovered on climbout. That is very poor airmanship, the pilot in command is lucky that nothing worse happened. Last time i checked you can fly a aircraft without a rudder, Yep, but i was there to save the day as always. 8-) I have flown C152's, a rudder lock should be obvious on the pre-flight walk around. It is obvious when the preflight is done in the day time and not in the pitch black of the morning. But i wouldn't say that to him, he's got about 150 LBS on me and you combined. 8-) I also do a full and free control check as part of the walk around too, and in a C152, the tail is very easily seen from the cockpit. It is in the day time, at night with the rear full to the brim with cargo it is not visible. So do you push on the rudder just above or below where it says DONT PUSH ??? Surely the pilot in command would have noticed something wrong whilst taxying, or was he using toe brakes to steer? Ahhh who uses rudder in a 152 just whack in the power and tap the brakes, she corners like a sports car at 20 kts. Yep Grade 1 Powered instructors are also novice pilots when it comes to the simple things, done in extreme conditions Any ho back to my study Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock?
Hi Ben, I wouldn't say any more about this as the hole you've dug for yourself is getting deeper and deeper.. Cheers, Dave - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] It helps to remove the rudder lock during pre-flight, it was discovered on climbout. That is very poor airmanship, the pilot in command is lucky that nothing worse happened. Last time i checked you can fly a aircraft without a rudder, Yep, but i was there to save the day as always. 8-) I have flown C152's, a rudder lock should be obvious on the pre-flight walk around. It is obvious when the preflight is done in the day time and not in the pitch black of the morning. But i wouldn't say that to him, he's got about 150 LBS on me and you combined. 8-) I also do a full and free control check as part of the walk around too, and in a C152, the tail is very easily seen from the cockpit. It is in the day time, at night with the rear full to the brim with cargo it is not visible. So do you push on the rudder just above or below where it says DONT PUSH ??? Surely the pilot in command would have noticed something wrong whilst taxying, or was he using toe brakes to steer? Ahhh who uses rudder in a 152 just whack in the power and tap the brakes, she corners like a sports car at 20 kts. Yep Grade 1 Powered instructors are also novice pilots when it comes to the simple things, done in extreme conditions Any ho back to my study Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock? Should be Rudder Tool....
Disclaimer: The following message is presented in a slightly humourous vein, but its message is serious. Last time i checked you can fly a aircraft without a rudder. Possible, but not recommended It is obvious when the preflight is done in the day time and not in the pitch black of the morning. I have done pre flights in the pre-dawn, yep it is dark. The plane I was doing a DI on was parked at Adelaide Int'l and fortuantely under an apron floodlight. I also used a big bright torch, combined with a paranoia about not missing anything in the reduced lighting conditions. But i wouldn't say that to him, he's got about 150 LBS on me and you combined. I really don't care how much he weighs! Was he exceeding the seat loading of the C152, did he bother to check weight and balance? 150lb is 68 kg, almost counts as another passenger. When doing an autopsy, I weigh the body. Air investigator and insurers are very interested if an aircraft was being operated within C of G limits... So do you push on the rudder just above or below where it says DONT PUSH ??? No I don't. I use these things in the cockpit called rudder pedals to see if I have full and free movement (same applies with the ailerons and elevator). I normally don't operate the rudder in flight by going to the back of the aircraft and pushing on it... ;-) ...rear full to the brim with cargo it is not visible. Does this suggest that the DI is done after the a/c is loaded. I normally do my DI before I load anything in... 0-) Yep Grade 1 Powered instructors are also novice pilots when it comes to the simple things, done in extreme conditions... Sounds more like complacency. I wouldn't call pre-dawn extreme conditions... Mike Borgelt worries about the standard of Gliding Instruction, but it looks like GA has got its fair share too! Guess I better get back to work... ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock?
Cessna 152's can have rudder lock too.. It helps to remove the rudder lock during pre-flight, it was discovered on climbout. NO I was not the pilot in command just a R/H pax on a ferry flight , tho the fo-par costed the command pilot a lot of money in the bar that night. Ben West Oz - Original Message - From: james dutschke To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock? I seem to recall an Astir when put into a heavy side slip will remain with the rudder locked over in a steady state with gear doors banging etc etc. The rudder took quite a bit of force to cetralise the rudders if the speed was built up while in this state. is this what you call Rudder Lock? A question from many flights ago is answered. Is it found commonly in Sailplanes or just a few? James. -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock?
good one! On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Ben Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cessna 152's can have rudder lock too.. It helps to remove the rudder lock during pre-flight, it was discovered on climbout. NO I was not the pilot in command just a R/H pax on a ferry flight , tho the fo-par costed the command pilot a lot of money in the bar that night. Ben West Oz - Original Message - *From:* james dutschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2008 3:32 PM *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock? I seem to recall an Astir when put into a heavy side slip will remain with the rudder locked over in a steady state with gear doors banging etc etc. The rudder took quite a bit of force to cetralise the rudders if the speed was built up while in this state. is this what you call Rudder Lock? A question from many flights ago is answered. Is it found commonly in Sailplanes or just a few? James. -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rudder lock?
It helps to remove the rudder lock during pre-flight, it was discovered on climbout. That is very poor airmanship, the pilot in command is lucky that nothing worse happened. I have flown C152's, a rudder lock should be obvious on the pre-flight walk around. I also do a full and free control check as part of the walk around too, and in a C152, the tail is very easily seen from the cockpit. Surely the pilot in command would have noticed something wrong whilst taxying, or was he using toe brakes to steer? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Rudder lock?
I seem to recall an Astir when put into a heavy side slip will remain with the rudder locked over in a steady state with gear doors banging etc etc. The rudder took quite a bit of force to cetralise the rudders if the speed was built up while in this state. is this what you call Rudder Lock? A question from many flights ago is answered. Is it found commonly in Sailplanes or just a few? James.___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
