Re: [AusNOG] Telstra ATM/Frame/BDSL decommissioning

[Sam Silvester]

Ethernet? With it’s statistical multiplexing?

Surely it can’t be anywhere near as reliable as circuit-switching or cell
switching ;)

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 3:17 pm, Matt Perkins  wrote:

> Dont worry.   NBN Enterprise Ethernet will be soo much more reliable.
>
> hahahaha
>
> Matt
>
>
> On 21/10/21 3:00 pm, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>
> "This message has been approved by Dave."
>
> Look, what has Dave got against the poor tiny little cells?
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:43 AM Russell Langton 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>> Just a reminder that Telstra is seeking to decommission all
>> ATM/Frame/BDSL services by 31 Aug 2022.
>>
>> See
>> https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/personal/consumer-advice/pdf/business-a-full/bg_atm.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> *ATM Cease Sale and Exit Notification*
>>
>> *1.5 The ATM Service will not be available for purchase by new customers
>> from 9 April 2018.*
>>
>> *1.6 From 30 June 2019, customers with existing ATM services will no
>> longer be allowed to add new ATM services, make external relocations of
>> existing ATM services, or recontract existing ATM services.*
>>
>> *1.7 From 31 August 2022, we will exit ATM and cancel all remaining ATM
>> Services.*
>>
>> ATM/Frame/BDSL services might be used in legacy parts of networks for
>> connectivity between sites, to TID, or to different platforms.
>>
>> If you have any remaining ATM/Frame/BDSL services, please make sure
>> migration plans are in progress with your account teams. or if not in use
>> ensure cancellation orders are submitted
>>
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Sam Silvester]

Luckily while a very male-dominated industry, we're not lacking eminently
qualified and talented women so I'm certain a gender balanced board is
easily achievable.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM James Troy <
james.t...@agilityapplications.com> wrote:

> Benno,
>
> As I mentioned on the backlash – here it is…
>
>
>
> You see my response as not very positive or helpful – I think that is
> quite sad really.
>
>
>
> “White dude” – well ½ of that is right… I am actually TSI. I would NEVER
> want to be selected/hired/elected based on this. To the point its why I
> never include it on any application forms, not because im ashamed of who am
> I, but because I want to be selected on merit…
>
>
>
> The difference between my post and Mark’s post was he was offering help to
> the victim, I am offering my thought/advice on a selection/election to a
> board. I can see how you got these confused.
>
>
>
> I really hope there is full representation on any board, job, industry,
> etc. I guess I wasn’t clear enough the first time – Do it on merit. If that
> means on my next job interview I get pipped at the post by a more qualified
> female/different ethnicity/religion person/pigeon then great. Its what I
> want. Equality – real equality; not the quota kind.
>
>
>
> James Troy
>
> Senior Systems Administration
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG  *On Behalf Of *Benno Rice
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 3 October 2018 1:21 PM
> *To:* aus...@ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>
>
>
> So I, too, am a lurker on this list. Hell, I don’t even run any networks
> besides my home one, haven’t done for ages.
>
>
>
> That said I, too, have been watching this with interest and I’ve seen two
> responses, well one response, and one class of responses, that I find
> interesting.
>
>
>
> On the one hand, you’ve got stuff like James here. James is running the
> exact same set of arguments that you normally get from, generally, white
> dudes that feel threatened by any attempt to address the systemic problems
> we have in society in general and tech in particular. Yes, yes I know they
> don’t believe that those problems are there but, well, whatever. I saw
> similar from Noel Butler and from Matthew Young up-thread. All of these
> tend to come across as a knee-jerk reaction against the notion that we
> might actually do something.
>
>
>
> On the other hand we had Mark Newton’s “What I can do to help.” post.
> Instead of a knee-jerk reaction against doing something, he put forward a
> completely reasonable set of steps that he promised to do if someone were
> to come forward. Hell, his set of steps form a pretty good basis for the
> enforcement process of a Code of Conduct.
>
>
>
> One of these messages was positive and valuable. The others were very much
> not.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>   Benno.
>
>
>
> On 3 Oct 2018, at 12:57, James Troy 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that
> is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this
> thread with a particular keen interest.
>
>
>
> Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender
> diversity’ was going to get pushed.
>
>
>
> Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable.
> Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you
> start to include someone in something like a board selection based solely
> on their genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy
> subscribe to the idea of the ‘best person for the job’
>
>
>
> If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all
> selected on their merits.
>
>
>
> Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely
> different can. Ie: is there someone of
> Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be
> racist?
>
>
>
> Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.
>
>
>
> I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go
> to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of
> race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender,
> percentages, inclusion policies is _*not*_ the way to get the recognition
> that some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated
> industry (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected
> for something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition –
> not simply to be the token male.
>
>
>
> We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our
> colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that
> if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it
> should also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo
> being used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a
> shread of proof.
>
>
>
> I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that
> proof and that is best handled 

Re: [AusNOG] Switch installation in data centre racks - front facing, or rear facing?

[Sam Silvester]

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Paul Wilkins 
wrote:

> Just so. If you care about configuration control and change management,
> you'll be using structured cabling with access from the front of the rack.
> You really don't need to be fiddling around in the back of a rack,
> wondering about which port goes where.
>

I really don't see a connection between somebody care of configuration
control and change management, the use of structured cabling, and the
location (front/rear/ToR or end of row) of switches, to be completely
honest.

All very much independent of each other, no matter how hard I try to
imagine otherwise.
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Re: [AusNOG] Switch installation in data centre racks - front facing, or rear facing?

[Sam Silvester]

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Paul Wilkins 
wrote:

> Sure, but when one observes the default vendor position is front to back
> airflow, if one then applies logic, you can conclude back to front is
> deployed as a cost cutting measure sans structured cabling.
>
>
I don't understand is where structured cabling comes into this at all,
unless we're defining what structured cabling means differently.
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Re: [AusNOG] Switch installation in data centre racks - front facing, or rear facing?

[Sam Silvester]

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Paul Wilkins 
wrote:

> There's enterprise racks, and SP racks and I'd say to generalise,
> Enterprise do the ports to the front to structured cabling, while SPs will
> reverse mount for shorter wire runs and density. Also swapping out reverse
> mounted switches is a huge pain.
>
>
That's an interesting statement. What makes you say that? I've come across
sites where the front to front (cold aisle) spacing of racks is greater
than rear to rear (hot aisle), is that what you are getting at?

Cheers,

Sam
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Re: [AusNOG] to US via Vocus

[Sam Silvester]

Hi Dino,

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Dino Sosic 
wrote:

> Indeed Mark. I apologize to you and all the other ladies out there that
> may have felt left out with that salutation :)
> I disagree on the 2nd point, but thats ok too.
>

With regards to you disagreeing on Mark's second point, can I quickly point
you to the list charter?

http://www.ausnog.net/mailing_list/charter

"please construct an intelligent post, being clear as to what your
problem is, what you have/have not tried, and what you actually
need to achieve"

Now I'm sure in most cases people will help out anyway, AusNOG being all
good natured and whatnot, but (and this is a general point, I'm just using
your post to illustrate it as it happens a fair bit) in your original post
you really gave almost no detail as to what your issue was, what you've
tried or what your expectation was.

Apart from being helpful, it's also a good opportunity for others to learn
or (in the case of widespread issues) to know if they are seeing similar or
related issues.

Sam
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Re: [AusNOG] Need extra hands?

[Sam Silvester]

The List Charter is your go-to in times like this:

http://www.ausnog.net/mailing_list/charter

This is NOT a forum for journalists to pick up leads, sales people to
sell things, end-users to pester their ISP, or bush lawyers to posit
their beliefs. Such behaviour will not be tolerated (see "Moderation"
below).



On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Network Monitor 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Not sure if this is the correct avenue to spruke, or post a shameless plug
> to, so please accept my apologies and ignore if not.
>
>
>
> I just wanted to share my services to anyone on the list requiring an
> extra set of hands
>
>
>
> My specialties are (not limited to)
>
>
>
> *Servers* (Installation of physical and virtual environments, patching,
> management and deployment of Windows server products)
>
> *Backup* (Disk, Tape, Replication, DR)
>
> *Networking* (L2/L3 Networks, Routers, Firewalls, Fixed line, Microwave
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>
> *Documentation (technical documentation and network diagramming*
>
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>
> *Project Management* (development and management of)
>
> Data Centres (Connectivity, Racking and stacking Cable management, vendor
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>
>
>
> I am on the south coast, NSW and am really offering my hands to help where
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>
>
>
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> various infrastructure related tasks outside of business hours typically.
>
>
>
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Re: [AusNOG] NextDC Melbourne - Scheduled Power Maintenance - 15th

[Sam Silvester]

Hi John,

There's nothing about an ATS that makes it generally 'large' or small
relative to an STS.

Here's a 1RU, 10A ATS:
http://www.apc.com/shop/au/en/products/RACK-ATS-10A-230V-12A-208V-C14-IN-12-C13-OUT/P-AP7721

I've got many dozen of these deployed in racks right by single corded
equipment right now, and I often recommend them to customers who need to
put single corded equipment on both the A and B feed to their rack.

Meanwhile, to pick an example at one of our data centres, we have use a
1500A three phase ATS on the inputs to our UPS.

Cheers,

Sam


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:54 AM, John Duffin <jduf...@uptimeinstitute.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Please do not take this as expert Electrical Engineering advice!
>
> A quick word on ATS/STS.
>
> ATS are essentially automated mechanical switches.  They can “Make Before
> Break” or they can “Break Before Make” depending on their design and
> whichever arrangement is used is dictated by the Electrical Design as
> determined by the Electrical Engineer.  Case and Situation Specific, I
> would warn against generalising.  STS are Solid State devices which have no
> moving parts.  There are reasons why you would use either and it is best
> not to think of them as interchangeable.
>
> ATS will normally live in a DC deep in the Electrical Distribution, if you
> don’t go to the Power Rooms, you many never see one.  STS tends to have
> smaller current carrying capacity and live nearer the IT.  For the case of
> Single Cord Equipment in a Dual Cord DC then, if it’s odd items in a rack,
> Rack Mount STS are usable.  If there’s lots of odd Single Cord Equipment
> within a DC then a 3rd Supply can be considered but then you have to wonder
> why the customer is paying for Dual Cord in the first place…
>
> The point of a real Dual Cord Environment is that Operators like NextDC,
> can do routine maintenance work and still maintain at least one supply to
> the IT load.  You need to consider single cord equipment in that context
> and, under the SLA, It is probably going be your problem to keep it
> powered, not theirs…
>
> John
>
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> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 15:38:14 +0930
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> To: James Braunegg <james.braun...@micron21.com>
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> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NextDC Melbourne - Scheduled Power Maintenance -
> 15thAugust
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Re: [AusNOG] NextDC Melbourne - Scheduled Power Maintenance - 15th August

[Sam Silvester]

Hi James,

A quick Google tells me APC ATS are break before make, so that is certainly
not the defining feature of an ATS vs. STS.

For cost effective provision of a 'C feed' in racks to catch those pesky
single corded devices you just can't live without I see no reason at all to
go to the expense of typically larger and more expensive STS, happy to
learn more though.

Sam



On Thursday, 10 August 2017, James Braunegg <james.braun...@micron21.com>
wrote:

> Dear All
>
>
>
> Anyone with single power supply devices please do not look at getting an
> ATS, get a STS !!!
>
>
>
> *Short version*
>
>
>
> ATS (Automatic Transfer Switch) will typically break power before it
> makes, thus the connected device could reboot !!
>
>
>
> STS (Static Transfer Switch) will make power before it breaks, providing
> no break to the power  !
>
>
>
> An example of a recommended device is below
>
>
>
> https://www.vertivco.com/en-asia/products-catalog/
> critical-power/power-transfer-switches/liebert-lts-63-to-400a/
>
>
>
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>
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Matthew Smee
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] NextDC Melbourne - Scheduled Power Maintenance -
> 15th August
>
>
>
> +1
>
> Every DC agreement I’ve seen (3) have mentioned that you are responsible
> for supplying it with power and they aren’t responsible if it loses power
> (i.e. use an ATS).
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Sam Silvester
> *Sent:* Thursday, 10 August 2017 10:14 AM
> *To:* Shaun McGuane <sh...@rackcentral.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sh...@rackcentral.com');>>
> *Cc:* ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] NextDC Melbourne - Scheduled Power Maintenance -
> 15th August
>
>
>
> If you have single fed equipment in your rack that needs planning before
> it can be shut down, do you not run a totally forseeable and preventable
> risk then should that one feed trip?
>
>
>
> This is what ATS are for.
>
>
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 10 August 2017, Shaun McGuane <sh...@rackcentral.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sh...@rackcentral.com');>> wrote:
>
> HI Simon,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your input to the list.
>
>
>
> While you may have provided notifications well in advance, your schedule
> provided has been changed multiple times and this creates confusion.
>
> Without asking for further clarification last night I would never have
> received the following updated schedule from Craig Armstrong today.
>
>
>
> Data Hall 2 – B feed (west/blue PDU side) Tuesday 15th Aug, A feed has
> been pushed back to later date around November, you will receive official
> notice once new date confirmed.
>
> Data Hall 3 –A and B feed has been pushed back to later date around
> October/November, you will receive official notice once new date confirmed.
>
> Data Hall 4 –A and B feed has been pushed back to later date around
> October/November, you will receive official notice once new date confirmed.
>
>
>
> From the latest update today, It appears that most of the works are being
> postponed for the time being
>
>
>
> 

Re: [AusNOG] High availability options for terminating point-to-point Ethernet (on Cisco CE)

[Sam Silvester]

You've just added two switches as additional points of failure.

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Chris Kawchuk 
wrote:

> Yep, but rule out the PE or CE device as a SPOF. Lets you make code
> upgrades on the network devices without knocking out the link.
>
> If the link goes down, you're in the same boat; no worse off.
>
> - CK.
>
> On 29 May 2017, at 10:56 am, Mark Smith  wrote:
>
> > And the service is still a SPOF.
> >
> > Just get two services/links, and use plain vanilla BGP.
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Re: [AusNOG] Mascot NSW Exchange

[Sam Silvester]

What changed with your position since September last year when you raised
concerns about even daring to speak about potential to abuse security
issues on this list?

http://lists.ausnog.net/pipermail/ausnog/2016-September/036957.html

I agree that's sloppy housekeeping on Telstra's part. What did they say
when you raised it with them?

Sam



On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 2:55 AM, Skeeve Stevens  wrote:

> I know we're not sitting here worrying about people blowing up phone
> exchanges on a daily basis... but should we make it this easy?
>
> I've seen the gate open every time I go past... not even sure it is ever
> closed.
>
> Critical Infrastructure needs to be looked after seriously.
>
> Shame Telstra.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ehdbkzdpdumz2z1/Mascot%20Exchange%
> 2020170528%20-%20A.jpg?dl=1
>
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>
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Re: [AusNOG] High availability options for terminating point-to-point Ethernet (on Cisco CE)

[Sam Silvester]

Hi Matt,

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Matt Selbst 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Hoping for some advice. What is everyone doing for
> terminating point-to-point Ethernet services like AAPT's e-Line in a high
> availability environment? Cisco environment.
>
> With PPPoE, high availability was much easier as you could just have
> multiple LNS's and failover easily when the client would re-auth. With
> terminating a VLAN handoff on a /30 or /31 it makes HA much harder. If the
> customer edge router dies, failover seems pretty hard. VRRP doesn't seem to
> be an option especially with hundreds of customer sub-interfaces.
>

Do you mean HA on the customer side or on your side?

e.g. I assume you mean you want to protect against when your aggregation
router dies, as obviously the P2P Ethernet service is kind of a single
point of failure in and of itself, as is the CPE...
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Re: [AusNOG] Waymouth St Exchange fire

[Sam Silvester]

Reports say fire is out and was on Level 2 of the exchange.

Level 2 according to a Telstra mate has an AXE PSTN switch and a power room.

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Brad Gould  wrote:

> There are fire trucks out the front of the building and Police are closing
> off Waymouth.
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> On 22 May 2017 at 13:01, Evan Dent  wrote:
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>> There seems to be a confirmed fire in the Telstra exchange building on
>> Waymouth St in the Adelaide CBD. Unsure what will be effected. Just giving
>> the heads up.
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