Re: [Avogadro-devel] First Avogadro 2 beta release

2013-04-12 Thread Jens
Hi Marcus,

Really great to hear that avogadro2 is now on the scene and I'm excited to
see how it develops in the future.

It's already looking very impressive - I read in some pretty big molecules
and the performance and responsiveness was incredibly snappy.

Where's the place to log bug reports while it's still in the initial
testing phase? I found one (see below) but it wasn't immediately obvious on
the openchemistry website where the tracker was.

Best wishes,

Jens

Bugs:

1.
draw C atom, click Extensions - Open Babel - Add Hydrogens:

Command-line output:

OBProcess::executeObabel: Running
/Volumes/Avogadro2-0.5.0-Darwin/Avogadro2.app/Contents/MacOS/obabel
-icml -ocml -h
/Volumes/Avogadro2-0.5.0-Darwin/Avogadro2.app/Contents/MacOS/obabel
 stderr:
 ==
*** Open Babel Error  in RegisterOptionParam
  The number of parameters needed by option t in The LPMD file format.
differs from an earlier registration.
0 molecules converted

Bad CML:  






On 11 April 2013 19:54, Marcus D. Hanwell marcus.hanw...@kitware.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I wanted to let people on these lists know that we just made our first
 beta release of Avogadro 2, along with MoleQueue and MongoChem. Please
 see the blog post here,

 http://blog.cryos.org/archives/265-First-Open-Chemistry-Beta-Release.html

 We have created binary installers for Windows and Mac OS X, along with
 regular source releases,

 http://www.openchemistry.org/OpenChemistry/resources/software.html

 These are not feature complete, and we intend to make regular releases
 as new features land in master. There are several exciting new
 features, along with some missing pieces that will be brought back as
 we can get to them. I will work on making a screen cast highlighting
 how the three applications can be used together soon, and discussing
 some of the new features in more detail.

 We have automated as much of the testing and release process as
 possible, and will continue to streamline things. Binaries are
 uploaded nightly to the dashboards for Windows and Mac, and API
 documentation is updated nightly,

 http://cdash.openchemistry.org/
 http://doc.openchemistry.org/avogadrolibs/api/

 Avogadro 2 also uses a different binary name, and library names,
 meaning that there should be no problems in installing Avogadro 1 and
 2 on the same system in the same prefixes. There is lots more to do
 before, so I will get back to it, but I hope you will check out what
 we have been working on. I will see if I can get some more of the
 features you have grown to expect back in Avogadro 2.

 Thanks,

 Marcus


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Re: [Avogadro-devel] First Avogadro 2 beta release

2013-04-12 Thread David Lonie
Hi Jens,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:00 AM, Jens linuck...@gmail.com wrote:
 Really great to hear that avogadro2 is now on the scene and I'm excited to
 see how it develops in the future.

 It's already looking very impressive - I read in some pretty big molecules
 and the performance and responsiveness was incredibly snappy.

Great to hear the positive feedback! Out of curiousity, just how big
were your molecules?

 Where's the place to log bug reports while it's still in the initial testing
 phase? I found one (see below) but it wasn't immediately obvious on the
 openchemistry website where the tracker was.

We have a bug tracker up here:

http://projects.openchemistry.org/

I'll add a link on the openchemistry wiki and see about adding one to
www.openchemistry.org.

As for the bug:

 draw C atom, click Extensions - Open Babel - Add Hydrogens:

 Command-line output:

 OBProcess::executeObabel: Running
 /Volumes/Avogadro2-0.5.0-Darwin/Avogadro2.app/Contents/MacOS/obabel -icml
 -ocml -h
 /Volumes/Avogadro2-0.5.0-Darwin/Avogadro2.app/Contents/MacOS/obabel
 stderr:
  ==
 *** Open Babel Error  in RegisterOptionParam
   The number of parameters needed by option t in The LPMD file format.
 differs from an earlier registration.
 0 molecules converted
 
 Bad CML:  

I noticed this odd behavior in obabel and brought it up on
openbabel-devel a little while ago, see
http://forums.openbabel.org/obabel-h-bug-while-adding-hydrogens-td4655976.html.
This is a feature, not a bug from their perspective.

We plan to implement our own add-hydrogens routine (and maybe even our
own remove-hydrogens, if I can figure that out ;-) ). I've filed a
bug for this here:

http://projects.openchemistry.org/issues/169

Thanks for the feedback!

Dave

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Re: [Avogadro-devel] First Avogadro 2 beta release

2013-04-12 Thread Marcus D. Hanwell
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM, David Lonie david.lo...@kitware.com wrote:
 Hi Jens,

 On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:00 AM, Jens linuck...@gmail.com wrote:
 Really great to hear that avogadro2 is now on the scene and I'm excited to
 see how it develops in the future.

 It's already looking very impressive - I read in some pretty big molecules
 and the performance and responsiveness was incredibly snappy.

 Great to hear the positive feedback! Out of curiousity, just how big
 were your molecules?

 Where's the place to log bug reports while it's still in the initial testing
 phase? I found one (see below) but it wasn't immediately obvious on the
 openchemistry website where the tracker was.

 We have a bug tracker up here:

 http://projects.openchemistry.org/

 I'll add a link on the openchemistry wiki and see about adding one to
 www.openchemistry.org.

The main site already has a link (Resources, Bug Tracker), we can
certainly get links on the wiki too. The Doxygen links there too, but
let's work on making it as obvious as possible.

 As for the bug:

 draw C atom, click Extensions - Open Babel - Add Hydrogens:

 Command-line output:

 OBProcess::executeObabel: Running
 /Volumes/Avogadro2-0.5.0-Darwin/Avogadro2.app/Contents/MacOS/obabel -icml
 -ocml -h
 /Volumes/Avogadro2-0.5.0-Darwin/Avogadro2.app/Contents/MacOS/obabel
 stderr:
  ==
 *** Open Babel Error  in RegisterOptionParam
   The number of parameters needed by option t in The LPMD file format.
 differs from an earlier registration.
 0 molecules converted
 
 Bad CML:  

 I noticed this odd behavior in obabel and brought it up on
 openbabel-devel a little while ago, see
 http://forums.openbabel.org/obabel-h-bug-while-adding-hydrogens-td4655976.html.
 This is a feature, not a bug from their perspective.

 We plan to implement our own add-hydrogens routine (and maybe even our
 own remove-hydrogens, if I can figure that out ;-) ). I've filed a
 bug for this here:

 http://projects.openchemistry.org/issues/169

There seem to be a few bugs on the Mac with obabel and CML too, so I
am afraid geometry optimization looks a little dicey. I think there
are some simple workarounds we can implement there to improve things
in the next release.

Thanks for the feedback Jens. I think ensuring anyone can have
Avogadro 1 and 2 installed should make it easier to try out the new
stuff without having to give up Avogadro 1.

Marcus

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Re: [Avogadro-devel] First Avogadro 2 beta release

2013-04-12 Thread Jens
Hi Dave and Marcus,

No problem - like I said it's great to see Avogadro2 getting underway and
I'm glad to be able to help.

The molecule I looked at earlier was just under 9000 atoms. Avogadro 1
crashes on reading it unless I import the molecule and turn off the bond
order perceiving functionality, and there is a noticeable lag when I rotate
the molecule. With Avogadro2, it whizzes round instantly.

Keep up the great work!

Jens

PS - having said that I just tried loading a pdb of a protein I'm working
on (3HAP) and I just get a big yellow blob, so there may still be the odd
niggle to iron out... ;) I'll file a bug report as soon as my account on
the tracker is activated.


On 12 April 2013 15:35, Marcus D. Hanwell marcus.hanw...@kitware.comwrote:

 On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM, David Lonie david.lo...@kitware.com
 wrote:
  Hi Jens,
 
  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:00 AM, Jens linuck...@gmail.com wrote:
  Really great to hear that avogadro2 is now on the scene and I'm excited
 to
  see how it develops in the future.
 
  It's already looking very impressive - I read in some pretty big
 molecules
  and the performance and responsiveness was incredibly snappy.
 
  Great to hear the positive feedback! Out of curiousity, just how big
  were your molecules?
 
  Where's the place to log bug reports while it's still in the initial
 testing
  phase? I found one (see below) but it wasn't immediately obvious on the
  openchemistry website where the tracker was.
 
  We have a bug tracker up here:
 
  http://projects.openchemistry.org/
 
  I'll add a link on the openchemistry wiki and see about adding one to
  www.openchemistry.org.

 The main site already has a link (Resources, Bug Tracker), we can
 certainly get links on the wiki too. The Doxygen links there too, but
 let's work on making it as obvious as possible.
 
  As for the bug:
 
  draw C atom, click Extensions - Open Babel - Add Hydrogens:
 
  Command-line output:
 
  OBProcess::executeObabel: Running
  /Volumes/Avogadro2-0.5.0-Darwin/Avogadro2.app/Contents/MacOS/obabel
 -icml
  -ocml -h
  /Volumes/Avogadro2-0.5.0-Darwin/Avogadro2.app/Contents/MacOS/obabel
  stderr:
   ==
  *** Open Babel Error  in RegisterOptionParam
The number of parameters needed by option t in The LPMD file format.
  differs from an earlier registration.
  0 molecules converted
  
  Bad CML:  
 
  I noticed this odd behavior in obabel and brought it up on
  openbabel-devel a little while ago, see
 
 http://forums.openbabel.org/obabel-h-bug-while-adding-hydrogens-td4655976.html
 .
  This is a feature, not a bug from their perspective.
 
  We plan to implement our own add-hydrogens routine (and maybe even our
  own remove-hydrogens, if I can figure that out ;-) ). I've filed a
  bug for this here:
 
  http://projects.openchemistry.org/issues/169
 
 There seem to be a few bugs on the Mac with obabel and CML too, so I
 am afraid geometry optimization looks a little dicey. I think there
 are some simple workarounds we can implement there to improve things
 in the next release.

 Thanks for the feedback Jens. I think ensuring anyone can have
 Avogadro 1 and 2 installed should make it easier to try out the new
 stuff without having to give up Avogadro 1.

 Marcus

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[Avogadro-devel] First Avogadro 2 beta release

2013-04-11 Thread Marcus D. Hanwell
Hi,

I wanted to let people on these lists know that we just made our first
beta release of Avogadro 2, along with MoleQueue and MongoChem. Please
see the blog post here,

http://blog.cryos.org/archives/265-First-Open-Chemistry-Beta-Release.html

We have created binary installers for Windows and Mac OS X, along with
regular source releases,

http://www.openchemistry.org/OpenChemistry/resources/software.html

These are not feature complete, and we intend to make regular releases
as new features land in master. There are several exciting new
features, along with some missing pieces that will be brought back as
we can get to them. I will work on making a screen cast highlighting
how the three applications can be used together soon, and discussing
some of the new features in more detail.

We have automated as much of the testing and release process as
possible, and will continue to streamline things. Binaries are
uploaded nightly to the dashboards for Windows and Mac, and API
documentation is updated nightly,

http://cdash.openchemistry.org/
http://doc.openchemistry.org/avogadrolibs/api/

Avogadro 2 also uses a different binary name, and library names,
meaning that there should be no problems in installing Avogadro 1 and
2 on the same system in the same prefixes. There is lots more to do
before, so I will get back to it, but I hope you will check out what
we have been working on. I will see if I can get some more of the
features you have grown to expect back in Avogadro 2.

Thanks,

Marcus

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