Unfortunately, my grandfather was not naturalized. At least, I'm pretty
sure he wasn't. May have to look into that a bit more to be sure.
As an aside, perhaps your grandfather was in a situation somewhat similar to
what can happen here in Mexico. If a person of U.S. citizenship wants to
acquire Mexican citizenship, they have to sign forms renouncing their U.S.
citizenship, something I would never do. However, the U.S. government, from
what I have been told, does not recognize that renunciation. My
understanding is that an American citizen can only renounce his/her
citizenship at a U.S. consulate for it to be recognized by the U.S.
government. Perhaps it was the same way with Portugal and that is why they
retained the right to your grandfather's money. Just a theory. Sam
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
eric edgar
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:35 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Sam ,
If your grandfather was an American citizen, then a US State Dept record
might be found at Ancestry. I can't find the database right now , but think
it was in the Immigration section
My great grandfather died in Lisbon in 1925 while on a trip to the Azores
and Europe.
I found sixteen pages of documents relating to it from the State Dept, US
Consul, the Calfornia senator, and family attorneys in Oakland. It seems
the Portuguese government didn't want to
have it proved he was a US citizen so they could keep his money. I have a
copy of the passport he filed for this trip with his naturalization papers
attached. They wouldn't release his death
certificate to the US Consul, so the US State Dept couldn't release his
Citizenship papers. It was a stand off and the Portuguese government won. It
was a lot of money, as he had sold his
house, and was starting a year long European tour.
Eric Edgar
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote:
Yes, life was so different for our ancestors. Hard to imagine what it was
really like for them. My granddad went back to the Azores for a visit and
died there. I have no when that happened or what he died from. Would love
to know for sure what type of mine he worked at but; guess I never will.
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:11 PM
To: azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Sam,
Your link is interesting.it mentions so many nationalities working in
the mines...no Portuguese even mentioned.
I can only imagine the levels of toxicity in a cinnebar mine! I wonder what
the life expectancy of the miners was at the time.
Nancy Jean
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From: sam...@surewest.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:43:15 -0700
Eric and Mary, In case you are interested, I found this information that
might have something to do with my granddad's mining work...
http://www.historysanjose.org/neighborhoods/newalmaden/index.html
Sam in Maz
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
eric edgar
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Sam,
Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into
the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district.
Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain
district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production.
It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San
Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845.
Eric Edgar
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote:
I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to
walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in
either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind,
that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks,
Sam in Maz
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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mary Bordi
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Regarding Brokers and Jobbers--
I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in
August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of
all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily
and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to
outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category,
such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks,
