Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 15 Messages in 3 Topics
Hi Cheri (and others) I know his date of birth from a family bible and his Mster Mariner records. (31 August 1840) I know everything it is possible to know about him of his life in New Zealand, (he left the Azores when he was only 14) but the only record of his place of birth is given as Fayal, Western Isles. Else, he's generally just listed as from Portugal. He was known here as Emanuel DIAZ, and nick~named George. Variations of the spelling include, of course, DIAS and DEARS. He, himself, was illiterate. His only daughter was named Emilie/Emilia which may be a clue to his family, as his only son was named after his wife's family. The problem was... I couldn't read the dates in the parish registers, (and no~one could understand my request to even sort that out) so I had to guestimate where to start looking and where to stop looking. Page after page after page, hoping I'd not started too late or finished too soon... and no hide nor hair of him! Contemporaneously in NZ is Francis DIAZ of similar age whose Master Mariner's records cite him as coming from Peak Pike, LOL. I've presumed that's Pico. His son was named Manuel Joseph DIAZ, so we may have interconnecting families, but there are far less records for him here (and no family bible). And while I'm sharing the New Zealand links ~ another Azorean Master Mariner known as Francis JOSEPH is presumed to have come from Faja Grande, Flores. We have no idea of his real name, but we know he had family in USA during the West Coast Gold days, as Frank and his wife lived for many years at Gold Hill Nevada. She wrote amazing letters home but didn't actually name any of Frank's family, although she spoke of them being in San Francisco. There are quite a few Azorean descendants in New Zealand because of the whaling trade. Geographically, they would have felt at home here and many jumped ship and stayed. Jools On 29/08/2011, at 5:44 PM, azores+nore...@googlegroups.com wrote: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Aug 28 07:42AM -0700 ^ Jools, It is very difficult to trace in the Azores without your freguesia. You'll have to use every source in New Zealand to try to find where he was born. And if he was inconsistent with his age, you'll have to work with an age range. You'll have to look at vital records, government records (census, naturalizations), church records (their childrens' baptisms, their marriage), etc. Although the following was written from an American perspective, maybe it can give you ideas of where to look in New Zealand: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/HowTo.html (Note: New URL). Also, your local genealogy society may be able to give you leads and ideas of how to trace an immigrant in New Zealand. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 5 Topics
Thanks again Cheri, ~ what threw me of course, is after years of reading English parish records (even in Latin) I was unaware that the Azorean records would spell out the entire date. It wasn't something I'd prepared for, else I would have learnt how to read numbers and months, at the very least. It never occurred to me I'd not see something like that in familiar terms. ~ that there is some other available record in the future that might help would be a dream come true! I've approached a researcher once or twice, but got nowhere very far with them either. Not sure why. I'd happily pay for a result of even honing in on a parish, but if he did leave at age 14, we're two years short of the right records. He first appears in mariner's records in Australasian waters in 1864 (Robert Towns of New Bedford) and married in Auckland in 1866. Oh, and in case anyone has lost Francis DIAZ off their family tree, the one who drowned in New Zealand was born in 1842, and our Francis JOSEPH was born in 1835. I'm guessing no~one's been looking for my Manuel, else they'd have found me by now!! Jools On 30/08/2011, at 5:24 PM, azores+nore...@googlegroups.com wrote: You are going to have to learn to read the documents. Really, you'll be picking out key words and piecing your genealogy together. snip As a last resort, you can wait for the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores) to come online, or you can hire a researcher to look for you. You are lucky because if your ancestor sailed out of his home port of Horta on Faial, you will probably find him. The port of Horta has records from 1836-1939 with NO gaps!! Since 1856 they are indexed and give the towns or parishes (freguesia) of birth. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
Try Corti Bros. in Sacramento Mary Ann In a message dated 8/29/2011 3:39:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rayrso...@yahoo.com writes: Can anyone tell me where I may purchase Salted Bacalhau in the Sacramento area ? --- On Mon, 8/29/11, Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net wrote: From: Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 8:43 AM I didn’t like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is to eat it…cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much more tastier. BTW, I do soak it for two to three days before preparation. Linda Borges Furtado Norton From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Fraga Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'. Bacalhau is Cod. It can be fresh or salted. With regard to the cold dish that Steve was speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau. The equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine Alfredo simply, Pasta. I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish was (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce. She couldn't spell the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word. That lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche, although the second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche. We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with cod, onions, and vinegar. Respectfully, Jay Fraga Massachusetts - Original Message - From: _eric edgar_ (http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=noblankt...@gmail.com) To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azores@googlegroups.com) Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the year. The Molho Escabeche can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled. Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, _CaraBela@aol.com_ (http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=carab...@aol.com) wrote: Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. Sherry In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _jay_fraga@applimetrix.com_ (http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jay_fr...@applimetrix.com) writes: Steve, that'd be bacalhau. There are heated and cold variations out there. Jay Fraga Massachusetts - Original Message - From: Steve Gomes _steve.gomes@gmail.com_ (http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=steve.go...@gmail.com) To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azores@googlegroups.com) Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish, vinegar, raw onions, and saffron. Has anyone else had that in their family? i cant find it on the Internet anywhere. I am wondering if it is a dish my grandmother made up. _steve.gomes@gmail.com_ (http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=steve.go...@gmail.com) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _Azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_ (http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _Azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_ (http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _Azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
Thanks for that. --- On Tue, 8/30/11, cakemom...@aol.com cakemom...@aol.com wrote: From: cakemom...@aol.com cakemom...@aol.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 2:16 PM Try Corti Bros. in Sacramento Mary Ann In a message dated 8/29/2011 3:39:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rayrso...@yahoo.com writes: Can anyone tell me where I may purchase Salted Bacalhau in the Sacramento area ? --- On Mon, 8/29/11, Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net wrote: From: Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 8:43 AM I didn’t like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is to eat it…cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much more tastier. BTW, I do soak it for two to three days before preparation. Linda Borges Furtado Norton From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Fraga Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'. Bacalhau is Cod. It can be fresh or salted. With regard to the cold dish that Steve was speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau. The equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call Fettuccine Alfredo simply, Pasta. I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish was (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as Cold Sauce. She couldn't spell the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word. That lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche, although the second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche. We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with cod, onions, and vinegar. Respectfully, Jay Fraga Massachusetts - Original Message - From: eric edgar To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the year. The Molho Escabeche can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled. Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, carab...@aol.com wrote: Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. Sherry In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes: Steve, that'd be bacalhau. There are heated and cold variations out there. Jay Fraga Massachusetts - Original Message - From: Steve Gomes steve.go...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish, vinegar, raw onions, and saffron. Has anyone else had that in their family? i cant find it on the Internet anywhere. I am wondering if it is a dish my grandmother made up. steve.go...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office
On this Master Mariner list, is there also a Manuel Noronha (b. 1843) from São Jorge? He was my great-grandfather. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] American Portuguese Genealogical Historical Society (APGHS)
I received an email from Ernest Cardoza, current president of the American Portuguese Genealogical Historical Society (APGHS) based in Taunton, Massachusetts. I want to say it was in existence for 30+ years. The letter was with regret, informing everyone that the APGHS will cease operations. If anyone paid dues for 2011, they will be refunded (I have the email and snail mail if you need this). The snail mail (post office box) will be closed as of Dec. 31, 2011. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] American Portuguese Genealogical Historical Society (APGHS)
Cheri, This is really sad to hear. They were the ones who helped me obtain the St. John's Cemetery book and Ernest was the one who was especially helpful in my receiving it. This book has allowed me to help many listmembers who had family members at St. John's which I will still happily do in the future. The book is becoming well worn. E On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: I received an email from Ernest Cardoza, current president of the American Portuguese Genealogical Historical Society (APGHS) based in Taunton, Massachusetts. I want to say it was in existence for 30+ years. The letter was with regret, informing everyone that the APGHS will cease operations. If anyone paid dues for 2011, they will be refunded (I have the email and snail mail if you need this). The snail mail (post office box) will be closed as of Dec. 31, 2011. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] American Portuguese Genealogical Historical Society (APGHS)
Cheri I would like a copy of the email about APGHS. Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office
*Somehow, my complete message did not get through.* Cheri, The book that I have is principally about Azoreans in American whaling (ie, Azoreans who got involved in American * whaling.) In the late 19th and early 20th century, many Azoreans became involved in American whaling. I think that the primary means by which this happened is that when American whalers came to the Azores, they would fill out their crews with young Azorean men eagar to escape to a better life who would sign on as crew members. Many would desert on the trip back and stay in the US. Among these was my mother's second cousin, Antonio Caetano Corvello who eventually became a whaling captain out of New Bedford. Some of the whalers, eventually went south around the horn into the Pacific to such places as New Zealand. The book that Cheri referenced (which incidentally was written by a cousin of mine, Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira) did not have any details about whaling in the South Pacific. John Vasconcelos * On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Jools, I think there's a book about Flores and whalers. I don't think it names names. John Vasconcelos owns this book. So John, chime in here if that book has any genealogy in it. You are going to have to learn to read the documents. Really, you'll be picking out key words and piecing your genealogy together. Some samples can be found on the Azores Genweb here: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/HowTo_Part_3a.html#reading You are also going to need the Portuguese Genealogy Word list. Although it's actually housed on the Family Search web site, a link from the Azores Genweb will take you there: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/portuguese_word_list1.html Also, it helps to study the paleography (handwriting). Again, it's housed on Family Search, but a link from the Azores GenWeb can take you there: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/Paleography/paleography_01.html Faial has a few records online. They are in a computer database. Many people have found errors. Nevertheless, it is a place to start. Again, you can use the Azores Genweb that will take you out to the site: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/faial.html As a last resort, you can wait for the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores) to come online, or you can hire a researcher to look for you. You are lucky because if your ancestor sailed out of his home port of Horta on Faial, you will probably find him. The port of Horta has records from 1836-1939 with NO gaps!! Since 1856 they are indexed and give the towns or parishes (freguesia) of birth. (And for those that want to know about the other 2 ports: Angra: 1775-1818, 1844-1845, 1857-1924. Ponta Delgada: 1875 May-1883 Oct; 1894 Nov - 1908 Oct; 1910 Jan-1920 Jan; 1922 Sep-1939 Dec; 1950 Feb-1953 Mar. All records before and in the gaps are missing. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Taxi driver on Flores.
My first cousin John Freitas remembers the other English speaking Flores taxi driver as Joao Coelho. -- Forwarded message -- From: John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:25 PM Subject: Taxi driver on Flores. To: jnf1...@gmail.com Hi John, This is my genealogy self talking. I just cced you on a reply to a 4th cousin of ours Katharine Baker (who has ancestors from Flores as well as S Jorge). Do you remember (by chance) the name of the taxi driver in Santa Cruz Flores who said he was born in Fresno California and whose family returned to Flores when he was young. I rememberd Silvio Medina right away because we also used him when we were there in 2002, but not the Fresno guy. Cuz John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] American Portuguese Genealogical Historical Society (APGHS)
Ernest's letter in its entirety said (I added in parenthesis): August 25, 2011 Dear, I regret to tell you the APGHS has ceased operations. I don't know if it is permanent. The Florida and Massachusetts-based founders (particularly Cecelia Rose) passed away more than a decade ago and at age 78 I no longer have the energy and the zeal to go it alone. Sources for Bulletin Board (name of the newsletter) stories have dried up and with the use of the Internet. membership has declined (sic). Should the society revive, life members will remain so. Those who have paid their dues this year will get a refund if requested. The post office box (see below) will remain open for 2011. Sincerely, Ernest Cardoza APGHS President His address, phone, and email NOTE: No permission was given to me to post his private information. If you need it, I'll email it to you privately. 2nd NOTE: I don't know what will happen to their book about St. John's Cemetery in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Cheri On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:38 PM, San Dauer acore...@msn.com wrote: ** Cheri I would like a copy of the email about APGHS. Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] American Portuguese Genealogical Historical Society (APGHS)
Whoops! The society's mailing address: American Portuguese Historical Genealogical Society P.O. Box 644 Taunton, MA 02780-0644 USA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
